ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.
Speaking of armor, are the androgynous or bloated looking alliance themed heavy chests intended or no? Because AD and DC Heavy chests on females look pretty bad. I can't speak for EP as i haven't seen how those look.
There was a detailed post with 6 screenshots on this issue posted by @Faulgor on page 1 of the Official Feedback Thread for New Item Sets in the PTS forum. Posted on February 4.
Because cosmetic modding would undercut crown store sales, especially considering that modded clothes would often be higher quality than official content.MercyKilling wrote: »
Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
MercyKilling wrote: »
Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
MercyKilling wrote: »
Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
phreatophile wrote: »@MornaBaine You're so right about the flappies. I am tempted to buy the thoroughly disappointing and butchered compared to the trailer hero armor this month because it has a skirt and NO hip flaps.
Now if while they're fixing the barrel-chested female armor, they would only make SOME armor past level 26 that doesn't have those ugly bits, I'd be so thrilled.
MercyKilling wrote: »
Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
Dissentinel wrote: »I see the smooth chest on the more recent female armors as an improvement, not a thing that requires fixing. In fact, the new style of making the female armor is much more realistic than it was previously. Having space in the armor for breasts can be a liability if they're not absolutely necessary - Weapons have a chance of "skating off" the plate on the chest and hitting places above or below that are much more vital. By smoothing down the chest, the armor becomes more functional. Also, if the majority of male armors are not designed to increase sex appeal, then the female armor should not be designed this way either.
Besides, there are much more pressing issues with (at least the female version) of some new armors: For example, the Abah's Watch Medium Armor (New PvP item style for Rewards for the Worthy, such as the Marksman or Leki's set) has extreme clipping when mixed with any other style and the shoulder protection are literally not attached to the player character's shoulders. This should be addressed before any percieved issues with the appeal of female armor.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Actually my social group buy alot of costume.
Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.
Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.
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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.
The other thread has been sunk by ZOS (so that any reply doesn't get seen, as the thread does not refresh when you post in it), so adding my response to @ZOS_GinaBruno in this one.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Actually my social group buy alot of costume.
Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.
Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.
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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.
Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.
It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.
How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.
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MornaBaine wrote: »The other thread has been sunk by ZOS (so that any reply doesn't get seen, as the thread does not refresh when you post in it), so adding my response to @ZOS_GinaBruno in this one.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Actually my social group buy alot of costume.
Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.
Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.
_________________________
To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.
Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.
It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.
How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.
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Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.
MornaBaine wrote: »Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.
lordrichter wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.
I am, as well. It is on my "to do" list for this weekend, maybe, to get some screen shots and draft up some example pictures. We need to lead them to the problem. Sadly, my expectation is that, after all the work, they will simply look at them and decide not to do anything.
Dissentinel wrote: »I see the smooth chest on the more recent female armors as an improvement, not a thing that requires fixing. In fact, the new style of making the female armor is much more realistic than it was previously. Having space in the armor for breasts can be a liability if they're not absolutely necessary - Weapons have a chance of "skating off" the plate on the chest and hitting places above or below that are much more vital. By smoothing down the chest, the armor becomes more functional. Also, if the majority of male armors are not designed to increase sex appeal, then the female armor should not be designed this way either.
Besides, there are much more pressing issues with (at least the female version) of some new armors: For example, the Abah's Watch Medium Armor (New PvP item style for Rewards for the Worthy, such as the Marksman or Leki's set) has extreme clipping when mixed with any other style and the shoulder protection are literally not attached to the player character's shoulders. This should be addressed before any percieved issues with the appeal of female armor.
As far as the Clip[ping/Floating Armor pieces goes.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.
We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
- Trinimac's Valor set
- Alliance Armor sets
- Malacath Armor
- Ancient Elf
- Ancient Orc
- Phoenix set
- Meritorious Service set
- Marksman's Crest set
- Vicious Death set
- Warrior's Fury set
- Bahraha's Curse set
- Syvarra's Scales set
We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
- Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
- Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
- Malacath Shield (undyeable)
- Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
- Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
- Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
- Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)
Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.
We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
- Trinimac's Valor set
- Alliance Armor sets
- Malacath Armor
- Ancient Elf
- Ancient Orc
- Phoenix set
- Meritorious Service set
- Marksman's Crest set
- Vicious Death set
- Warrior's Fury set
- Bahraha's Curse set
- Syvarra's Scales set
We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
- Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
- Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
- Malacath Shield (undyeable)
- Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
- Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
- Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
- Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)
Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.
We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
- Trinimac's Valor set
- Alliance Armor sets
- Malacath Armor
- Ancient Elf
- Ancient Orc
- Phoenix set
- Meritorious Service set
- Marksman's Crest set
- Vicious Death set
- Warrior's Fury set
- Bahraha's Curse set
- Syvarra's Scales set
We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
- Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
- Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
- Malacath Shield (undyeable)
- Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
- Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
- Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
- Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)
Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.