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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

  • Xerosus
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    Hi everyone,

    We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

    Speaking of armor, are the androgynous or bloated looking alliance themed heavy chests intended or no? Because AD and DC Heavy chests on females look pretty bad. I can't speak for EP as i haven't seen how those look.
  • Abeille
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    Since you are going to take a look at armor anyway, any chance we can get rid of the big stitches on Altmer light and medium? To make it look a little more, you know, Altmeri. Less sloppy and stitched while in a hurry. You know, to match their obsession with perfection?

    It's worth a try...
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

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  • Emma_Overload
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    Xerosus wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

    Speaking of armor, are the androgynous or bloated looking alliance themed heavy chests intended or no? Because AD and DC Heavy chests on females look pretty bad. I can't speak for EP as i haven't seen how those look.

    ^^^THIS. I hope @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can clarify this point for us. The light armors shown in the OP are NOT the only ones folks are unhappy about. The barrel-chested medium and heavy armors (e.g. Mercenary and the Alliance sets) are really ugly and un-feminine, too.
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  • netch_a_sketch
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    I feel like ZOS are trying to avoid the MMO female armour controversy. Which they didn't actually need to do in the first place because the majority of the female armour was never 'skimpy'. But you know, people on the internet will over react and argue over boob-plates and battle bikinis until the end of time.

    If that's not the reason then by god, that's lazy of them.
  • MercyKilling
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »

    In Skyrim and Fallout modding, we got the CBBE body mesh mod specifically in response to this kind of corner-cutting.

    No mods in ESO. Hope that ZOS fixes this moving forward. :disappointed:

    I've been pushing for cosmetic modding since closed beta testing weekends. Don't hold your breath.

    Do you think that would even be possible @MercyKilling ?

    Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
    I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
    1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
    2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
    3) Difficulty slider.
    4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
    Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.
  • Faulgor
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    GaldorP wrote: »
    There was a detailed post with 6 screenshots on this issue posted by @Faulgor on page 1 of the Official Feedback Thread for New Item Sets in the PTS forum. Posted on February 4.

    Yup. And as I said, even before during the Imperial City update in July 2015 on the PTS, I send bug reports with screenshots with the in-game report tool when this issue first showed up with the Alliance style gear.

    And as far as I know, all styles released since Imperial City are affected in some way or another, except for Glass, Outlaw and Soul-shriven styles.

    Because nothing has been done since, I assumed it was intended or a necessary compromise in some way. To hear that it's actually unintended and that all our reports just somehow slipped under the radar actually makes me even more concerned ...
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  • Rosveen
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »

    In Skyrim and Fallout modding, we got the CBBE body mesh mod specifically in response to this kind of corner-cutting.

    No mods in ESO. Hope that ZOS fixes this moving forward. :disappointed:

    I've been pushing for cosmetic modding since closed beta testing weekends. Don't hold your breath.

    Do you think that would even be possible @MercyKilling ?

    Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?
    Because cosmetic modding would undercut crown store sales, especially considering that modded clothes would often be higher quality than official content.
    Maybe it will become possible when Bethesda makes another attempt at paid mods.
  • MornaBaine
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »

    In Skyrim and Fallout modding, we got the CBBE body mesh mod specifically in response to this kind of corner-cutting.

    No mods in ESO. Hope that ZOS fixes this moving forward. :disappointed:

    I've been pushing for cosmetic modding since closed beta testing weekends. Don't hold your breath.

    Do you think that would even be possible @MercyKilling ?

    Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?

    Because it's an MMO and not a Single Player. The point of being able to have your character look a certain way in an MMO is how you the player want them to be seen by others. If you are the only one who can see your mods and everyone else sees something different that defeats half the purpose. Yet if it is somehow set up so that other people CAN see your mods, invariably there are going to end up being totally inappropriate mods that will in fact be offensive to a lot of people. So it's just not going to happen. The only way it MIGHT is if ZOS reviews all mods before allowing them and as we all know that would require a paid staff to do so...it isn't going to happen.
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  • Gidorick
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »

    In Skyrim and Fallout modding, we got the CBBE body mesh mod specifically in response to this kind of corner-cutting.

    No mods in ESO. Hope that ZOS fixes this moving forward. :disappointed:

    I've been pushing for cosmetic modding since closed beta testing weekends. Don't hold your breath.

    Do you think that would even be possible @MercyKilling ?

    Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?

    But this is an mmo... I've never heard of an MMO with mods like the core TES titles have.
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  • WalkingLegacy
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    @MornaBaine You're so right about the flappies. I am tempted to buy the thoroughly disappointing and butchered compared to the trailer hero armor this month because it has a skirt and NO hip flaps.

    Now if while they're fixing the barrel-chested female armor, they would only make SOME armor past level 26 that doesn't have those ugly bits, I'd be so thrilled.

    Don't do it. Don't reward mediocrity :(
  • WalkingLegacy
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »

    In Skyrim and Fallout modding, we got the CBBE body mesh mod specifically in response to this kind of corner-cutting.

    No mods in ESO. Hope that ZOS fixes this moving forward. :disappointed:

    I've been pushing for cosmetic modding since closed beta testing weekends. Don't hold your breath.

    Do you think that would even be possible @MercyKilling ?

    Oh yes. Quite possible, given the resourcefulness of the modding community. There are games out there that have nude mods, so why not let this game have cosmetic armor modding like...oh...pretty much every ES game since Morrowwind and Fallout 3?

    But how would they nickel and dime for profit ;)
  • Dissentinel
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    I see the smooth chest on the more recent female armors as an improvement, not a thing that requires fixing. In fact, the new style of making the female armor is much more realistic than it was previously. Having space in the armor for breasts can be a liability if they're not absolutely necessary - Weapons have a chance of "skating off" the plate on the chest and hitting places above or below that are much more vital. By smoothing down the chest, the armor becomes more functional. Also, if the majority of male armors are not designed to increase sex appeal, then the female armor should not be designed this way either.

    Besides, there are much more pressing issues with (at least the female version) of some new armors: For example, the Abah's Watch Medium Armor (New PvP item style for Rewards for the Worthy, such as the Marksman or Leki's set) has extreme clipping when mixed with any other style and the shoulder protection are literally not attached to the player character's shoulders. This should be addressed before any percieved issues with the appeal of female armor.
    Edited by Dissentinel on April 6, 2016 12:38PM
  • phreatophile
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    In my experience the shoulders and hip flappies are floating far from the character on every armor that has them not just a couple.
  • MornaBaine
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    I see the smooth chest on the more recent female armors as an improvement, not a thing that requires fixing. In fact, the new style of making the female armor is much more realistic than it was previously. Having space in the armor for breasts can be a liability if they're not absolutely necessary - Weapons have a chance of "skating off" the plate on the chest and hitting places above or below that are much more vital. By smoothing down the chest, the armor becomes more functional. Also, if the majority of male armors are not designed to increase sex appeal, then the female armor should not be designed this way either.

    Besides, there are much more pressing issues with (at least the female version) of some new armors: For example, the Abah's Watch Medium Armor (New PvP item style for Rewards for the Worthy, such as the Marksman or Leki's set) has extreme clipping when mixed with any other style and the shoulder protection are literally not attached to the player character's shoulders. This should be addressed before any percieved issues with the appeal of female armor.

    Way to not read the OP. These newer armors do not JUST not fit the female form, they hideously distort it. Which we have now been told is not intended and will be fixed. If PLATE armor remains "smooth" without breast shaping I will be fine with that. But leather and cloth armors SHOULD conform to the figure.
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  • babylon
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    The other thread has been sunk by ZOS (so that any reply doesn't get seen, as the thread does not refresh when you post in it), so adding my response to @ZOS_GinaBruno in this one.
    babylon wrote: »
    Lucious90 wrote: »
    Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

    Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

    Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.

    j2apDbn.jpg


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    To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

    Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.

    It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.

    How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.


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    Edited by babylon on April 6, 2016 1:08PM
  • MornaBaine
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    babylon wrote: »
    The other thread has been sunk by ZOS (so that any reply doesn't get seen, as the thread does not refresh when you post in it), so adding my response to @ZOS_GinaBruno in this one.
    babylon wrote: »
    Lucious90 wrote: »
    Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

    Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

    Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.

    j2apDbn.jpg


    _________________________

    To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

    Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.

    It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.

    How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.


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    Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.
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  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    All I know is:

    After seeing what the new armor sets do to cut off a female's bewbs...

    My female character(s) will be sticking with the "older" armor sets (Daedric, Dunmer [my personal favorite], and Altmer). While I like the aesthetic design of the new armors, the destruction they wreak on a woman's form just makes them unattractive to look at.

    I'm by no means getting all "pervy" over pixels. But whether i create a Male or Female character, they're going to be very nice to look at. Donning an armor that destroys/hides/deforms what I took so long to make look good, only drives me to have zero desire to try the new armors.

    This needs to be reversed, and Female meshes need to be introduced/reintroduced back into the game.

    Otherwise, as I've said, there's no reason/desire for me to try these new armor styles, or the styles going forth after these.

    I'll just stick with my older sets that still allow my Female characters to look as good as I made them.

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  • Daraugh
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    babylon wrote: »
    The other thread has been sunk by ZOS (so that any reply doesn't get seen, as the thread does not refresh when you post in it), so adding my response to @ZOS_GinaBruno in this one.
    babylon wrote: »
    Lucious90 wrote: »
    Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

    Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

    Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.

    j2apDbn.jpg


    _________________________

    To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

    Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.

    It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.

    How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.


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    Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.


    So did this happen around the same time as the Redguard and Orc armor changes? I don't remember now and it would make sense since they were fine as they were, but they were also the only armor that had separate pieces for male and female torsos. If all armor was going to be male and then stretched and the stretching has gone all wrong, as we have seen, then any Orc or Redguard armor crafted would no longer visually work in the game at all.

    What's odd is how inflated it makes female characters look, but how bizarre it can make male characters become. The Whisperwelt costume destroyed male torsos and the Breton Riding costume with a corset still gives female characters a tube-torso instead of an hourglass. Hello corset! /wave corset over here! I guess the tube-torso is part of that preset body type.

    I'm also trying to remember if this was the same time as the increased fps drop in Cyrodiil and if so, is there a correlation. Change how characters are rendered from how they were originally intended and introduce bad version control compounded with bugs and you get code that, instead of working properly, just cries softly when you poke it. Just speculation on my part and it's still early for me <yawn>

    Edit: I posted this in the other thread Babylon had linked, but it timestamped my post as April 5th rather than now.
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  • Elsonso
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.

    I am, as well. It is on my "to do" list for this weekend, maybe, to get some screen shots and draft up some example pictures. We need to lead them to the problem. Sadly, my expectation is that, after all the work, they will simply look at them and decide not to do anything.
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  • babylon
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    MornaBaine wrote: »
    Yeah I am REALLY unhappy about the "preset" bodies that come along with the Crown Store costumes and I seriously HOPE they will make the effort to fix that as well.

    I am, as well. It is on my "to do" list for this weekend, maybe, to get some screen shots and draft up some example pictures. We need to lead them to the problem. Sadly, my expectation is that, after all the work, they will simply look at them and decide not to do anything.

    Sounds to me like they think "tweaking" the male armour meshes will be "good enough" for us.

    I pay for this game and no it will not be "good enough". Either make female meshes for all costumes and armour or expect to see your profits vanish.
  • Xerosus
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    I see the smooth chest on the more recent female armors as an improvement, not a thing that requires fixing. In fact, the new style of making the female armor is much more realistic than it was previously. Having space in the armor for breasts can be a liability if they're not absolutely necessary - Weapons have a chance of "skating off" the plate on the chest and hitting places above or below that are much more vital. By smoothing down the chest, the armor becomes more functional. Also, if the majority of male armors are not designed to increase sex appeal, then the female armor should not be designed this way either.

    Besides, there are much more pressing issues with (at least the female version) of some new armors: For example, the Abah's Watch Medium Armor (New PvP item style for Rewards for the Worthy, such as the Marksman or Leki's set) has extreme clipping when mixed with any other style and the shoulder protection are literally not attached to the player character's shoulders. This should be addressed before any percieved issues with the appeal of female armor.

    Most of the complaints have nothing to do with "sex appeal". When i make female characters, the point is to look like one as well. People might as well have no female characters if the armor looks the same on both genders.
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.

    We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
    • Trinimac's Valor set
    • Alliance Armor sets
    • Malacath Armor
    • Ancient Elf
    • Ancient Orc
    • Phoenix set
    • Meritorious Service set
    • Marksman's Crest set
    • Vicious Death set
    • Warrior's Fury set
    • Bahraha's Curse set
    • Syvarra's Scales set

    We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
    • Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
    • Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
    • Malacath Shield (undyeable)
    • Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
    • Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
    • Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
    • Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)

    Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)
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  • sirinsidiator
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    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom I am not sure if this has already been brought up or fixed, but the Soul Shriven belts look identical to Breton style (icon and in world).
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  • phreatophile
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    Apologies if I wasn't clear, it's was light shoulders crafted with Trinimac motif that were white with helmet unhidden, it may or may not be true with dropped pieces. It wasn't the entire piece either, it was the fins sticking up from behind that turned white not just undyeable, the mantle across the shoulders and chest dyed normally. I'm not able to check in game ATM.
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    Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.

    We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
    • Trinimac's Valor set
    • Alliance Armor sets
    • Malacath Armor
    • Ancient Elf
    • Ancient Orc
    • Phoenix set
    • Meritorious Service set
    • Marksman's Crest set
    • Vicious Death set
    • Warrior's Fury set
    • Bahraha's Curse set
    • Syvarra's Scales set

    We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
    • Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
    • Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
    • Malacath Shield (undyeable)
    • Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
    • Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
    • Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
    • Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)

    Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)
    As far as the Clip[ping/Floating Armor pieces goes.

    Most of the armors (even base game racial styled armors) have the Hip/Upper Thigh guards floating away from the sides of the characters. This causes hands and weapons to "float" in and out of the armor as a character runs or sways when standing still.

    Specifically I can point you towards the Dunmer and Khajiit armor sets doing this, as well as the base game Daedric armor.

    Last thought (purely cosmetic): Could we get smaller Hip/Leg guards for the Daedric Light armor set? When I equip a Daedric Light Chest, the Hip/Leg guards that come with that Chest piece look like Evil Hockey pads...

    Something a bit smaller, more in line with lighter armor would be nice.

    And why does all of the armor have crotch-mud-flaps in the front and back except for Dunmer Light Armor Chests? Give the Dunmer armor the crotch dangling guards! But this one is purely cosmetic.

    ...

    Hell, while I'm at it; could we please be able to craft Ordinator Armor/Hand of Almalexia armor in all three Armor weights? I'm doing the best I can with mixing and matching different armor weights, but I'd really like to craft that Ordinator/Hand Armor as all Light armor.

    Thank you for your time. :)


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  • Laguz
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    Molag Kena shoulder has been floating since thieves guild.
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  • Ra'Shtar
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    Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.

    We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
    • Trinimac's Valor set
    • Alliance Armor sets
    • Malacath Armor
    • Ancient Elf
    • Ancient Orc
    • Phoenix set
    • Meritorious Service set
    • Marksman's Crest set
    • Vicious Death set
    • Warrior's Fury set
    • Bahraha's Curse set
    • Syvarra's Scales set

    We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
    • Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
    • Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
    • Malacath Shield (undyeable)
    • Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
    • Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
    • Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
    • Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)

    Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)

    The Dunmer robes has an undyeable part at the side of the robes, it always remains a shade of brown.

    Edit: Please let the art team know that light Glass armor has inconsisten dye, the hands and boots dye different than the chest and legs, and the shoulders dye different to everything else it ends looking fogy.
    Edited by Ra'Shtar on April 6, 2016 5:07PM
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    Better yet just revise the whole dye thing on light and medium armor, it just looks off in most armor.


    Edited by Ra'Shtar on April 6, 2016 5:07PM
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  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.

    We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):
    • Trinimac's Valor set
    • Alliance Armor sets
    • Malacath Armor
    • Ancient Elf
    • Ancient Orc
    • Phoenix set
    • Meritorious Service set
    • Marksman's Crest set
    • Vicious Death set
    • Warrior's Fury set
    • Bahraha's Curse set
    • Syvarra's Scales set

    We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:
    • Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
    • Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
    • Malacath Shield (undyeable)
    • Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
    • Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
    • Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
    • Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)

    Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)

    The Mercenary medium gives my Khajiit female a box chest. Not as bad as Trinimac's, but still bad.

    Soul Shriven shoulders don't dye well or at all.

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  • ElderBugOffline
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    Hi everyone,

    We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

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