Tank PSA - You're Nerfed Again: UPDATE 2 - Now Unerfed!

Personofsecrets

UPDATE

Castle wrote: »

Hey folks. We've read through the thread and identified what happened on our end. This turns out to be because the cost scaling for Blocking in the Veteran Rank levels was never scaling as intended. When we updated the Battle Leveling to the new version, the scaling began working as it was intended to.

Unfortunately, that means that Block (and possibly sneak and sprint costs, too, though we have not yet verified that) costs are much higher for players at the highest levels than it has been in the past. So, to correct that we're going to reduce the scaling value so that it will end up approximately the same as the previous cost at VR 16. This means it will actually be cheaper than it was before for all previous levels.

I think the following video is in order for everyone that helped keep this thread relevant. Thank you everyone for posting your thoughts and feelings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8

We got this fixed and we are going to get more.

UPDATE 2

This issue is now fixed.

icontested

-Great Job!

Personofsecrets

@ZOS_GinaBruno , can you see if this was intended or not. That is blocking costing an unimitigated 2800 stamina.

In case it is intended then all I have to say is what the heck is the point of new gear and champion points if the development team is going to nerf us every darn time we get something? There is absolutely no progression for tanks as everything that is given only comes when something is taken away. I'm really sick of this.

helediron

Not again. More resource managing, less fun. I have tanked vWGT more than hundred times, and was wondering why stamina was draining lately more than usual.

Shadesofkin

I'll have to look, but if this is the case then no wonder my tank felt like he was going down faster.

Personofsecrets

helediron wrote: »

Not again. More resource managing, less fun. I have tanked vWGT more than hundred times, and was wondering why stamina was draining lately more than usual.

I thought that I had noticed this on some large pulls, but just assumed I was doing something poorly. Low and behold we actually had got nerfed.

Shadesofkin

Personofsecrets wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Not again. More resource managing, less fun. I have tanked vWGT more than hundred times, and was wondering why stamina was draining lately more than usual.

I thought that I had noticed this on some large pulls, but just assumed I was doing something poorly. Low and behold we actually had got nerfed.

Do we have notes for this, I can't seem to find any.

Spearshard

I don't think it's just tanks, dps seem to be going through resources faster as well. Both my stamplar and magica NB lose resources faster since patch.

Shadesofkin

Spearshard wrote: »

I don't think it's just tanks, dps seem to be going through resources faster as well. Both my stamplar and magica NB lose resources faster since patch.

I think you're right, there have been a few times I've felt like it was drained way quicker than I expected on my Magicka DPS.

Personofsecrets

Hey everyone. Please feel free to post exact issues you are having with resource management. We may feel that something is off and it probably is, but we need to specifically hone in on the issues going on if we are to get them looked at and fixed. That is if these issues were not intended and I am skeptical enough of the developers to think that they are intended.

Shadesofkin

Yeah I'll check it out later, I have D&D tonight so I'm not on the game til tomorrow.

helediron

Well, i concur my DDs and healers have some resource problems too. But tanks have no stam regen at all while blocking. In vWGT and vICP are many fights where releasing block will kill even hardcapped tank in few seconds. This isn't an issue in normal gold pledges, where is time to not block.

Orchish

I hope this isn't true. Sick of these bugs now.

Shadesofkin

Orchish wrote: »

I hope this isn't true. Sick of these bugs now.

Assuming this is a bug and not some ninja nerf they implemented. I can't find anything in the notes about it though and that's what bothers me.

Personofsecrets

There have been plenty of ninja nerfs in the past.

TERMINAT0R_XVII

Did you guys check your champion points? They were reset for people who had more than 501 when the orsinium patch came out. They are doing it with consoles too.

tinythinker

I have a really old character that used to be a tank (and later was retooled a bit as a dps) and has been mostly retired for over a year, but every time I consider making him a tank again and putting him back into the regular rotation I read another thread like this.

Armitas

"We heard your complaints, and doubled them"

Nebthet78

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hey everyone. Please feel free to post exact issues you are having with resource management. We may feel that something is off and it probably is, but we need to specifically hone in on the issues going on if we are to get them looked at and fixed. That is if these issues were not intended and I am skeptical enough of the developers to think that they are intended.

There are a few threads going on right now with people detailing and showing they have been nerfed.. including myself.
Here is my post showing by before Orsiunium and after pics showing clear nerfs in some significant stats.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2419825/#Comment_2419825

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229334/new-gear-set-losing-spell-damage-instead-of-gaining-it/p3

Also another thing I have noticed, when armor breaks now, you lose any enchantment and passive bonus you may have had on that piece of armor.

Wing

hmm, this explains a few things, I felt like my stamina is always gone, and my tank has had trouble keeping stamina up despite workarounds to the previous gutting.

at this point its just getting ***, remove blocking from the game then, that seems to be your goal, this is F'ing stupid.

RAGUNAnoOne

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hey everyone. Please feel free to post exact issues you are having with resource management. We may feel that something is off and it probably is, but we need to specifically hone in on the issues going on if we are to get them looked at and fixed. That is if these issues were not intended and I am skeptical enough of the developers to think that they are intended.

There are a few threads going on right now with people detailing and showing they have been nerfed.. including myself.
Here is my post showing by before Orsiunium and after pics showing clear nerfs in some significant stats.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2419825/#Comment_2419825

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229334/new-gear-set-losing-spell-damage-instead-of-gaining-it/p3

Also another thing I have noticed, when armor breaks now, you lose any enchantment and passive bonus you may have had on that piece of armor.

I noticed that particular one it is not new (PS4) when your armor breaks you might as well run around naked at least then you get a few people gawking...

Personofsecrets

Wing wrote: »

hmm, this explains a few things, I felt like my stamina is always gone, and my tank has had trouble keeping stamina up despite workarounds to the previous gutting.

at this point its just getting ***, remove blocking from the game then, that seems to be your goal, this is F'ing stupid.

They really, really, want us to use fully charged heavy attacks and it just isn't going to happen.

tinythinker

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hey everyone. Please feel free to post exact issues you are having with resource management. We may feel that something is off and it probably is, but we need to specifically hone in on the issues going on if we are to get them looked at and fixed. That is if these issues were not intended and I am skeptical enough of the developers to think that they are intended.

There are a few threads going on right now with people detailing and showing they have been nerfed.. including myself.
Here is my post showing by before Orsiunium and after pics showing clear nerfs in some significant stats.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2419825/#Comment_2419825

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/229334/new-gear-set-losing-spell-damage-instead-of-gaining-it/p3

Also another thing I have noticed, when armor breaks now, you lose any enchantment and passive bonus you may have had on that piece of armor.

I noticed that particular one it is not new (PS4) when your armor breaks you might as well run around naked at least then you get a few people gawking...

My characters look good naked. Well, the Argonians. They look more natural, like they are back home swimming and fishing in the swamp, not worrying about block and gear damage changes. Tasty fish, lazy river.

Wing

Personofsecrets wrote: »

They really, really, want us to use fully charged heavy attacks and it just isn't going to happen.

I'm so disappointed, I have literally just recently got my tank working again too, it sucks so bad to have to shelve him again till I figure out something to do.

oh well at least I got a nightblade dps to play in the meantime like everyone else amirite?

Personofsecrets

Wing wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

They really, really, want us to use fully charged heavy attacks and it just isn't going to happen.

I'm so disappointed, I have literally just recently got my tank working again too, it sucks so bad to have to shelve him again till I figure out something to do.

oh well at least I got a nightblade dps to play in the meantime like everyone else amirite?

Yea, I'm really tired of this too. Just problem after problem that the other roles mostly don't have to deal with.

Personofsecrets

And no acknowledgement from ZOS even though they soooooo want to make tanking fun again. (which is hard to tell looking at their actions.)

NovaShadow

This was on the PTS. Was brought up numerous times.

OGLezard

A few bad eggs ruin it for everyone lol besides what's it matter. Just crouch, hold block, then move forward.....17k stamina regen instantly.

Hateanthem

If this was in fact a ninja nerf, then I probably won't play this game anymore.

This on top of rollbacks, load screen bosses, guild stores telling me I am requesting searches too fast (seriously how is it that my fingers and give demands faster than a machine can process them? Are you running the servers from an old Nokia?!), and the gazillion other little bugs makes this game almost unplayable.

Nerf the only thing my DK is really good at and I'm out.

Orchish

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

I hope this isn't true. Sick of these bugs now.

Assuming this is a bug and not some ninja nerf they implemented. I can't find anything in the notes about it though and that's what bothers me.

It would be completely ridiculous for them to nerf blocking even more after the stam regen nerf. For once i actually do hope this is a bug and hopefully gets patched.

Personofsecrets

"Increased the cost of blocking by 33%" ;^) Thanks Rich & Eric! ;^)