Tank PSA - You're Nerfed Again: UPDATE 2 - Now Unerfed!

Hateanthem

Personofsecrets wrote: »

"Increased the cost of blocking by 33%" ;^) Thanks Rich & Eric! ;^)

Was this in any patch notes?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Constant ninja nerfs and NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Everything i want to say right now would get me banned.

Ninja nerfs are disheartening. They really kill the morale of the player base. It makes it appear to us that ZOS is afraid to publicly stand by their design choices so they do them in secret and hope we dont notice. Even if this is an oversight, this is how it appears.

Personofsecrets

Hateanthem wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

"Increased the cost of blocking by 33%" ;^) Thanks Rich & Eric! ;^)

Was this in any patch notes?

Double NOPE.

If this was intended, then no surprise that it was stealth because the developers probably didn't want to be embarrassed again on ESO Live with regards to why they are nerfing tanks.

Orchish

Keep this thread alive until get an answer.

Hateanthem

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hateanthem wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

"Increased the cost of blocking by 33%" ;^) Thanks Rich & Eric! ;^)

Was this in any patch notes?

Double NOPE.

If this was intended, then no surprise that it was stealth because the developers probably didn't want to be embarrassed again on ESO Live with regards to why they are nerfing tanks.

You know this game isn't like other games where re-gearing because of mechanics changes is simple. You can't just swap a couple of skills and change your gameplay. We have to deal with champion points and what is the worst gear grind I have ever done. EVERYTHING in my toon is geared towards tanking for group gameplay and I really don't have it in me to grind for whole new build.

Personofsecrets

Orchish wrote: »

Keep this thread alive until get an answer.

We may get one tomorrow when the community manager @ZOS_GinaBruno is at work and has a chance to ask the devs.

Wing

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Everything i want to say right now would get me banned.

lol, I almost got banned during the no stamina regen gutting tanks recived, a few of our more passionate shield brothers and sisters did in fact get banned, I think personofsecrets and I are the two that I recall that made it out un banned.

but ZoS does love to try and find reasons to finish us off too XD

i3ig_Gun

They dont give a crap about us tanks....

They want groups to struggle through content they spent so much of their "Heart and Soul" on.

Maybe another suggestion @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Just buff our healers, that way we tanks can go full DPS and not have to worry about holding aggro, or tanking hard hits...

With overpowered heals, everyone's a tank...

Ohh we also will need health buffs, and nerfs for all dungeons with enemies that hit for over 12k...

Ohh... none of these are good ideas?

THEN HOW ABOUT YOU HELP US OUT AND QUIT NERFING TANKS IN PVE

I could give a crap less what you do to PvP tanks, hit them HARD with the nerf bat, not the ones trying to enjoy your hard work in your dungeons

Evandus

This is very, very disappointing.

Evandus

This is the part that sucks - so few people play tanks in this game already. Even if all of us complained, I doubt we'd make up more than a sliver of the population.

The only reason I've not converted over to full stam dps is lack of gear. It's not fun anymore having to micromanage your resources to the point that you can't pull any dps contribution.

Hateanthem

Evandus wrote: »

This is the part that sucks - so few people play tanks in this game already. Even if all of us complained, I doubt we'd make up more than a sliver of the population.

The only reason I've not converted over to full stam dps is lack of gear. It's not fun anymore having to micromanage your resources to the point that you can't pull any dps contribution.

Which is silly game design because for some fights our damage output really matters. I've seen threads where these people claim they are pulling huge numbers when tanking, but I don't see how you can survive vWTG when you are just a dps in heavy armor. I probably just need to git gud.

Orchish

Calm down guys, this is ESO it's more than likely a bug. (i hope)

Avenias

When did this happen? Is it a hotfix or something or after orsinium patch, cos i did some test runs of vet pledges after orsinium patch and it wasnt much of an issue. Im a nb siphon tank btw and ya its annoying to keep reactivating siphon every 15sec after nerf but for the most part its fine. The only reason why i can still tank is cos of siphoning strikes, when it comes to templars, dk or sorc tanks, they can only pull a few monsters and sustain aggro only for a short period of time after stamina regen nerf. I need to test again to check this out.

Personofsecrets

Avenias wrote: »

When did this happen? Is it a hotfix or something or after orsinium patch, cos i did some test runs of vet pledges after orsinium patch and it wasnt much of an issue. Im a nb siphon tank btw and ya its annoying to keep reactivating siphon every 15sec after nerf but for the most part its fine. The only reason why i can still tank is cos of siphoning strikes, when it comes to templars, dk or sorc tanks, they can only pull a few monsters and sustain aggro only for a short period of time after stamina regen nerf. I need to test again to check this out.

This probably happened with the Orsinium update.

Nebthet78

For those having resource issues... can you please test out your build, but don't use food to see if you are running out of resources just as quickly, or if they are regenerating like they are suppose to.

Avenias

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

When did this happen? Is it a hotfix or something or after orsinium patch, cos i did some test runs of vet pledges after orsinium patch and it wasnt much of an issue. Im a nb siphon tank btw and ya its annoying to keep reactivating siphon every 15sec after nerf but for the most part its fine. The only reason why i can still tank is cos of siphoning strikes, when it comes to templars, dk or sorc tanks, they can only pull a few monsters and sustain aggro only for a short period of time after stamina regen nerf. I need to test again to check this out.

This probably happened with the Orsinium update.

Oh in that case i have no issues in tanking.

Joy_Division

I'll be playing Fallout IV in a few days. ZoS cannot:

• Stop implementing unasked for and unneeded ninja nerfs
• Bug-fix semi-competently
• Address balance issues more frequently than once a year (no exaggeration: last balance update Feb 2015, next "Soon")

WolfingHour

Well, clearly we are still holding block too much and therefore not having FUN(TM).

This, which explains why my toon is even more sta hungry, the changes to sta regen, caltrops and siphoning are a *** travesty.

Anxileel

Wing wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Everything i want to say right now would get me banned.

lol, I almost got banned during the no stamina regen gutting tanks recived, a few of our more passionate shield brothers and sisters did in fact get banned, I think personofsecrets and I are the two that I recall that made it out un banned.

but ZoS does love to try and find reasons to finish us off too XD

I survived that as well.

Teiji

No wonder I felt VMA was more awkward than difficult!

If it wasn't for this bug everyone would have a higher VMA score and possibly many would actually be able to complete it!

I bought a 180 day sub for Orsinium and all I do is play casually, well, I shall follow in my shield brothers stride;


Going to play Fallout 4 for a year then come back to ESO, they can take my 120 days+ whatever is left subscription which I wont even be playing, I want this game to be successful but I want the community to be respected.

They've sold Crown store costumes with incomplete textures.
They released this huge bug alongside VMA.
The VMA polymorph reward is bugged with no word of a fix in sight.

We have to wait until Thieves Guild patch for any and all MAJOR fixes!

Also this isn't "tanks being nerfed" every single class has to block at sometime or another. This effects everyone not just tanks.

Tankqull

there is quite some reduction in weapon dmg values, my reg values in general are lower too (down from 2.1k mana and stam reg on my dps chars to 1.7k) and in some cases completly broken where i did have to un- and reequip my gear as i´ve had 358 stamina reg without drinks wich is below the proper base value of a v16.

my guessing is that in the background the battlelvl mechanic is screwing v16 chars and there stats.

Armitas

WolfingHour wrote: »

Well, clearly we are still holding block too much and therefore not having FUN(TM).

Katinas

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Good riddance and L2T (learn to tank).

Egonieser

Hey, you got the latest sneak block bug to make up for it, make, a fair tradeoff lol!

PvP is unplayable atm due to it as everyone runs around with infinite stamina and sneak+blockcasting

The Uninvited

Tankqull wrote: »

my guessing is that in the background the battlelvl mechanic is screwing v16 chars and there stats.

Mmmhh, will test that later today but you could be on to something here. Can it be turned off like in Cyrodill?

WolfingHour

Katinas wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Good riddance and L2T (learn to tank).

Oh, my sweet summer child... There is no mystery to the new "I need spears" tanking meta. That's is, if you want to do anything besides just blocking heavy attacks and get in some heavy attacks yourself in between.

And if that fails your templar can crit heal you for upwards of 20k with bol + purifying circle.

FUN(tm).

Wing

Anxileel wrote: »

I survived that as well.

hmmm, sig then

ArcVelarian

No stamina regen while blocking has been around for a while now... However resource costs in general seem to be more out of whack than usual.

Wing

Katinas wrote: »

Good riddance and L2T (learn to tank).

troll is obvious but still.

no, I have had to re learn and re build my tank after nearly every update, and that does not even include class nerfs. all dps and healers have to do is see if better gear came out that make their numbers a little better. tanking is not easy, and has not been fun for a while now.

I'm out, the tank is shelved, I have a couple other characters I do enjoy ( = not tanks). and now there is no need to run any sort of group content, all relevant end game orsinuim content is solo.

the RPG / MMO trifecta is dead, and ZoS is killing it, welcome to the land of Bruisers.

you need to be tanky-ish, be able to self heal yourself, and do good single target and group DPS.

there is no longer such thing as a group, we are all soloing together ^_^

Armitas

0 magicka/stamina recovery in my class and race, and I'm not a monster... I really hope this is a bug, because otherwise this had no thought put into it.