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Nightblades are the only ones who think all four classes are balanced. Why?
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As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.
Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)
But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.
Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.
Discuss.
Edited by SemiD4rkness on October 19, 2015 12:05PM Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)
But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.
Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.
Discuss.
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LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭Imo from what I've see its Nightblades think Sorcs are OP and the rest aren't worth using unless you use specific builds.
The rest think Sorc AND NB are unbalanced.Edited by LBxFinalDeath on October 19, 2015 11:50AM6 -
Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.
Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgotting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)
But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.
Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.
Discuss.
Only op class is magicka sorc.8 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.
Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgotting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)
But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.
Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.
Discuss.
Only op class is magicka sorc.
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »Imo from what I've see its Nightblades think Sorcs are OP and the rest aren't worth using unless you use specific builds.
The rest think Sorc AND NB are unbalanced.
But when you ask for a buff to your class they tell you to l2p and that the game is just fine as it is even tho they rhink Dk and Templars are not worth using.3 -
Ffastyl✭✭✭✭✭From my experience as a (high level) Templar and playing/discussing with Nightblades as well as against, Nightblades have high offense and low defense, mobility/invisibility being their best tool for survival. Their high offense allows them to penetrate even the most unbalanced defenses (shield stacking) while their low defense (primarily self-healing is lacking) makes them killable targets for all classes. Even low offense setups can defeat generic Nightblades since they bet everything on offense. This even back and forth, where Nightblade can kill all classes and be killed by all classes, gives them the impression everything is balanced. Or so my experiences suggest."A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
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✭✭I agree and notice the same thing. It's even more ridiculous when they attempt to form a list of obvious crap counters to cloak. The only reason I can hardly play a build the way I want, is because I have to dedicate certain ability slots just to counter nightblades, which I don't have to do for anyone other class.3 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.
Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgotting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)
But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.
Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.
Discuss.
Only op class is magicka sorc.
Arent magicka sorcs crying because of Shield Breaker set and how they cant do anything against it?2 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!Edited by Tabbycat on October 19, 2015 11:55AMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.2 -
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✭How can you say one class is op over another, it depends on what you want the class to do!
If you want someone to heal, I would say Templar is OP.
If you want someone to take it to the face, then DK is OP
If you want someone to Burst DPS then Sorc is OP
If you want someone to Gank then NB is OP
everything is situational, in PVP as a solo player I prefer to be a NB as you can sneak easier. But in a group I prefer my Templar or Sorc.
Everything comes down to play style, if my Sorc gets ganked I'm 95% sure I'll get away! If my Templar gets Ganked I hope someone rescues me before my magic runs out!
Just because you get get killed by people are really good player who know how to play their class, does not mean the class is OP. I've seen all classes played in ways I only wish I could have the skill to react like some people are able to.
There have been occassions where some classes have been OP, due to some mechanics with their class and other skills or sets, but currently I'd say there is a lot of balance. Although I hate to admit it, DK's could do with a little buff (I'm not a DK player) after the last update, they seem a little underpowered, especially considering that at one point they were really OP.5 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »How can you say one class is op over another, it depends on what you want the class to do!
If you want someone to heal, I would say Templar is OP.
If you want someone to take it to the face, then DK is OP
If you want someone to Burst DPS then Sorc is OP
If you want someone to Gank then NB is OP
everything is situational, in PVP as a solo player I prefer to be a NB as you can sneak easier. But in a group I prefer my Templar or Sorc.
Everything comes down to play style, if my Sorc gets ganked I'm 95% sure I'll get away! If my Templar gets Ganked I hope someone rescues me before my magic runs out!
Just because you get get killed by people are really good player who know how to play their class, does not mean the class is OP. I've seen all classes played in ways I only wish I could have the skill to react like some people are able to.
There have been occassions where some classes have been OP, due to some mechanics with their class and other skills or sets, but currently I'd say there is a lot of balance. Although I hate to admit it, DK's could do with a little buff (I'm not a DK player) after the last update, they seem a little underpowered, especially considering that at one point they were really OP.
So you're saying you wouldn't buff templars?
They can heal yes (people always forget that magicka isnt the only option but im tired of pointing this out) but if the game was balanced in a 1v1 scenario the templar shouldnt die to the nightblade, but as soon as you stop spamming heals to do any kind of damage you die. So balanced!0 -
terrasight✭✭✭There're so many ways to deal with a NB... if you can't, it's your fault.
I'm a NB and I hate Templars... yes... from the bottom of my soul (self-heal, speers etc.).
And? Anybody hears me to cry out for a nerf? NO...it's MY turn to deal with it and I've to go better...
If I die...I was not good enough... simple answer...
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
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Ara_Valleria✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »How can you say one class is op over another, it depends on what you want the class to do!
If you want someone to heal, I would say Templar is OP.
If you want someone to take it to the face, then DK is OP
If you want someone to Burst DPS then Sorc is OP
If you want someone to Gank then NB is OP
everything is situational, in PVP as a solo player I prefer to be a NB as you can sneak easier. But in a group I prefer my Templar or Sorc.
Everything comes down to play style, if my Sorc gets ganked I'm 95% sure I'll get away! If my Templar gets Ganked I hope someone rescues me before my magic runs out!
Just because you get get killed by people are really good player who know how to play their class, does not mean the class is OP. I've seen all classes played in ways I only wish I could have the skill to react like some people are able to.
There have been occassions where some classes have been OP, due to some mechanics with their class and other skills or sets, but currently I'd say there is a lot of balance. Although I hate to admit it, DK's could do with a little buff (I'm not a DK player) after the last update, they seem a little underpowered, especially considering that at one point they were really OP.
So you're saying you wouldn't buff templars?
They can heal yes (people always forget that magicka isnt the only option but im tired of pointing this out) but if the game was balanced in a 1v1 scenario the templar shouldnt die to the nightblade, but as soon as you stop spamming heals to do any kind of damage you die. So balanced!
So your definition of a balanced game is where templars never die in a 1v1 to an nb ?
Also, If you think templars die the second the stop spamming heals and go on the offense, i suggest you seriously L2p.°‡° ÁDAMANT °‡°
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myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I think they were pretty well balanced before the last set of nerfs. Each class had strengths and weaknesses. Counters were available for all the OP things. One person may not be able to counter all of them at the same time, but that was fine.
A few things need minor adjustments, but we got nerf hammers instead.
Shield stacking: Is it really that difficult to have only biggest shield work?
Permablockers: Stopping all stamina regen? really? Thats the best you could come up with.
I think the classes arr still somewhat balanced, but the steps they took to address people crying were a bit heavy handed0 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭Ara_Valleria wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »How can you say one class is op over another, it depends on what you want the class to do!
If you want someone to heal, I would say Templar is OP.
If you want someone to take it to the face, then DK is OP
If you want someone to Burst DPS then Sorc is OP
If you want someone to Gank then NB is OP
everything is situational, in PVP as a solo player I prefer to be a NB as you can sneak easier. But in a group I prefer my Templar or Sorc.
Everything comes down to play style, if my Sorc gets ganked I'm 95% sure I'll get away! If my Templar gets Ganked I hope someone rescues me before my magic runs out!
Just because you get get killed by people are really good player who know how to play their class, does not mean the class is OP. I've seen all classes played in ways I only wish I could have the skill to react like some people are able to.
There have been occassions where some classes have been OP, due to some mechanics with their class and other skills or sets, but currently I'd say there is a lot of balance. Although I hate to admit it, DK's could do with a little buff (I'm not a DK player) after the last update, they seem a little underpowered, especially considering that at one point they were really OP.
So you're saying you wouldn't buff templars?
They can heal yes (people always forget that magicka isnt the only option but im tired of pointing this out) but if the game was balanced in a 1v1 scenario the templar shouldnt die to the nightblade, but as soon as you stop spamming heals to do any kind of damage you die. So balanced!
So your definition of a balanced game is where templars never die in a 1v1 to an nb ?
Also, If you think templars die the second the stop spamming heals and go on the offense, i suggest you seriously L2p.
You're right too, i should l2p.
Have a nice day with your balanced Nbs. And hey ,they should buff your weak cloak.
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✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you arent toxic to this community.
(Stupid auto correct)Edited by Shunravi on October 19, 2015 1:22PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you are toxic to this community.
Its an MMO, what do you expect? people to just shut up about the ununfairness of pvp in this game?
If thats what you want then they should have deleted all clases last year and let all be op magicka Dks.
bye.
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✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you are toxic to this community.
Its an MMO, what do you expect? people to just shut up about the ununfairness of pvp in this game?
If thats what you want then they should have deleted all clases last year and let all be op magicka Dks.
bye.
L2P. Seriously. Back when dks were the 'omg so op' class I had little trouble dealing with them. Keep whining, history proves you will get your way.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!3 -
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✭✭I wish I had a recording of this 1 on 1 I did with a horrible night blade. It wasn't even a one on one all he did was hide behind a pillar, put up proximity det while cloak then ambush'd fear me; after it fails he just goes into cloak and runs away only to try it again.
After about 5 different attempts it finally worked and killed me due to lack of resources.
There was another time (which I have a video of) I was ganking this night blade and when I used burning talons (a DoT ability) it would make him stop in place but he would not receive damage because he was cloaked and I couldn't even hit him where the talons held him at. So he just kept cloak spamming while I burning talon spammed him till I gave up and put a detect pot (which only works if said player cloaks and crouches into stealth).
Night blades are OP depending on how you use it but in general they're OP. One guy cloak'd into prox det and ambush'd me into bat swarm/fear and I was insta dropped.Edited by MaxwellC on October 19, 2015 12:39PM不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you are toxic to this community.
Its an MMO, what do you expect? people to just shut up about the ununfairness of pvp in this game?
If thats what you want then they should have deleted all clases last year and let all be op magicka Dks.
bye.
L2P. Seriously. Back when dks were the 'omg so op' class I had little trouble dealing with them. Keep whining, history proves you will get your way.
L2p, l2p and l2p.
Yes its been said to me and EVERYONE who comments in favor of a ''nerf nbs'' thread.
We will see whos gonna need the l2p after the nerf.
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭MaxwellCrystal wrote: »I wish I had a recording of this 1 on 1 I did with a horrible night blade. It wasn't even a one on one all he did was hide behind a pillar, put up proximity det while cloak then ambush'd fear me; after it fails he just goes into cloak and runs away only to try it again.
After about 5 different attempts it finally worked and killed me due to lack of resources.
There was another time (which I have a video of) I was ganking this night blade and when I used burning talons (a DoT ability) it would make him stop in place but he would not receive damage because he was cloaked and I couldn't even hit him where the talons held him at. So he just kept cloak spamming while I burning talon spammed him till I gave up and put a detect pot (which only works if said player cloaks and crouches into stealth).
Night blades are OP depending on how you use it but in general they're OP. One guy cloak'd into prox det and ambush'd me into bat swarm/fear and I was insta dropped.
No matter what happens to you, its your fault and you should l2p. (nb logic)Edited by SemiD4rkness on October 19, 2015 12:44PM2 -
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✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you are toxic to this community.
Its an MMO, what do you expect? people to just shut up about the ununfairness of pvp in this game?
If thats what you want then they should have deleted all clases last year and let all be op magicka Dks.
bye.
L2P. Seriously. Back when dks were the 'omg so op' class I had little trouble dealing with them. Keep whining, history proves you will get your way.
L2p, l2p and l2p.
Yes its been said to me and EVERYONE who comments in favor of a ''nerf nbs'' thread.
We will see whos gonna need the l2p after the nerf.
It's still going to be you. And again the point goes over your head.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!3 -
Darkeus✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »
the quality of posts and ideas have droped since game moved to b2p... you are a good example why.2 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »Everytime a class has an ability that is overpowered, people cry for a nerf and ZOS overnerfs.
During beta, Templars were actually quite powerful (Bowplar anyone?), able to solo a lot of instances and world bosses with ease. Things other classes couldn't do, so people cried nerf. And thus you ended up with the broken Templar at release.
The same can be said about the DK. People complained, ZOS listened, and now DK is broken.
Sorcerers have had their share of nerfs as well. I'm surprised that class isn't broken.
NB was weak and pretty much broken before some of the improvements to stamina came into play. Now players say it is over powered, but would it still be considered overpowered if Templar hadn't taken a hit during beta and DK hadn't been nerfed fairly recently?
The problem is, when you try to balance classes for PvP, you just end up making a bigger mess of things. People will always flock to whatever class is the least damaged and most functional of the moment.
If NB gets nerfed. My guess is that Sorc will reclaim the throne as the new meta, until it gets nerfed. Eventually we'll end up with classes too weak to take on the current content and ZOS will have to nerf that too. It's a viscous cycle.
Maybe, instead of complaining that one class is too powerful, people need to start complaining the other classes have been over-nerfed.
Stop the nerfing! Stop the madness!
Sooner or later Nbs will be nerfed, and thats just fair for all other 3 classes.
Look what happened to Dks.People think theyre underpowered because they believe Nightblade is the balanced class but its not, its OP.
If you compare a Dk to a templar right now, thats balance. Do the same with a Nightblade and suddenly Dks are ***.
"Only fair" < and that's what's wrong with this community.
Blegh. I'm for reversing the majority of nerfs. But that's never gona happen.
You're so right, all classes have been nerfed so much that it wouldn't make sense to nerf the current OP class.
And the point flies so far over your head I'm sure you didn't even see it. It's going to get nerfed. You are right about that. It still doesn't mean that you and whiners like you are toxic to this community.
Its an MMO, what do you expect? people to just shut up about the ununfairness of pvp in this game?
If thats what you want then they should have deleted all clases last year and let all be op magicka Dks.
bye.
L2P. Seriously. Back when dks were the 'omg so op' class I had little trouble dealing with them. Keep whining, history proves you will get your way.
L2p, l2p and l2p.
Yes its been said to me and EVERYONE who comments in favor of a ''nerf nbs'' thread.
We will see whos gonna need the l2p after the nerf.
It's still going to be you. And again the point goes over your head.
So if the Nbs get overnerfed i shouldn't talk in favor of them right?
And you, the pro, are gonna outplay all the other 3 classes and tell me to l2p right?
The game has PvP, and like it or not its never going to be balanced. Thats why the ''whiners'' as you call them are needed to give feedback and try to balance the game out.
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SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »
the quality of posts and ideas have droped since game moved to b2p... you are a good example why.
I started playing this game before it went b2p.
Ask before you talk.
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✭✭✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »LBxFinalDeath wrote: »Imo from what I've see its Nightblades think Sorcs are OP and the rest aren't worth using unless you use specific builds.
The rest think Sorc AND NB are unbalanced.
But when you ask for a buff to your class they tell you to l2p and that the game is just fine as it is even tho they rhink Dk and Templars are not worth using.
That is the typical response of people who enjoy using said class and getting easy kills.
It is the same in SWTOR. The whole community knew that shadows and assassins were overpowered and that commandos were useless and it was always the shadows / sins that said commandos are fine because they enjoyed getting that easy kill when someone played them.1