Nightblades are the only ones who think all four classes are balanced. Why?

SemiD4rkness

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL this thread again?

Let me guess you got jumped in IC and came to the forums to demand equality and fairness?

And of course you can't be bothered to slot radiant mage light, make detect potions, or slot up an aoe. No, you demand the ability to kill other players no matter the mechanics or the skill, or lack of skill in this case, involved.

IC is all about ganking. That's all that it is. There is one class that has a dedicated vanish power so SURPRISE they're out ganking people in IC.

In regular pvp I have zero trouble with night blades. I stay with the group. Night blades are mediocre with or against groups. It's when you're off by yourself that you have trouble. Solution? Don't go wandering around by yourself, and if you do, stay stealthed.

But I'm guessing your tears are from IC. You want a class nerfed because of a poorly designed expansion that only some people are 'enjoying'?

Please tell the good people what survivability night blades have without Cloak? They don't have templar heals. They don't have DK armor or damage shields. They don't have Sorcerer Bolt Escape or Hardened Ward. They have Cloak. You complain that they spam Cloak, well guess what Einstein, THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.

So seriously, offer up a viable solution for night blades or just quit pvp.

Lmao i don't even play IC

bowmanz607

Op has ignored any well reasoned arguments that rebut his side and has failed to produce any well reasoned arguments to defend his position. (Or her). OP started another QQ thread with nothing to back it up. No argumwnt just generalized stamens just like other QQ threads.

Dracane

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

Tholian1

I wonder sometimes if the people crying for nerfs to other classes, can solo almost everything in PvE with their class. I play a NB and I can't solo everything. It may well be a L2P issue, but how many times must I die before I finally kill that certain boss without help?

I see other classes breeze through large mobs and dungeons solo and my NB has to be more careful and strategic in choosing targets. I think the OP just hates the fact that NBs can disappear or appear out of nowhere.

I think most who play NBs rather than other classes, has more to do with liking the style of play for the class and nothing to do with thinking the other classes are underpowered. I struggle with my NB and still choose to play it, because I enjoy it.

Stop calling for nerfs. It's ruining the game.

bowmanz607

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

Dracane back to talking about her sorc. Streak...once...really? I don't think the other sorcs got the office memo. You do realize the nerf in 1.7 does not k8ck 8n until the 3rd use. The first two Cost the same as they did 8n 1.6. Also, it forces to use efficiently. It does not make them useless. Just like dodge roll needs to be 7sed eff8ciently. Also, shields are still solid. Ya shields reduced but so was damage.plus can still stack healing ward so by t8me shield 8s gone your at full health. Dracane you cry about sorcs just as much as those nb's you talk about.

Howeber, I do agree with you about many people that defend nb. They also like to make general statements with no reasoned arguments. This is a problem through all the forums dealing with all s7bjects. Many generalized statements with no reasoned arguments. This is what the op has done. Made a general statement, no arg7ment, and disregarded well reasoned arguments altogwther. A well reasoned, logical, objective arguments 8s necessary to make a claim. A generalized grieve nice 8s not an argument. Reburting an argument with a generalized "you must be x class if you don't see it" is not a counter argument. It is admitting you have no counter argument and no leg to stand on. That argument is basically like saying because I sa8d so and that is my argument.

To all QQ people. Make an argument 9r stay silent.

Tankqull

eliisra wrote: »

Well, it doesn't matter if a class can oneshot entire raids in PvP, the one's playing it will always use a l2p argument.

The current Nightblade infestation is funny tho. Because unlike earlier fotm, they aren't that easy to play.

Old school 1vX DK, magicka sorcs and stam builds(abusing 100% armor pen) in 1.6. This was fairly easy to face-roll with for average players, that needed to compensate.

But Nightblades are squishy, requires timing on skills and situational awareness. Most guys playing Nightblade, doesn't have it, especially those that re-rolled cuz cloak OP.

So it gets really polarized in PvP. You have some broken ass NB's, good players that knows the class. Impossible to kill, hits like trucks and trolls everyone around them. They cause the QQ on the forum, nerf pls, guild chat rage and the like.

Than you have even more mediocre Nightblades, that's free AP and fill your "Kill Enemy Nightblades" in less than a minute. The ones that sort of just stands there with a bow and blocks, while pressing cloak in the middle of AoE.

This is why so many NB's claims that "Cloak is so easy to counter" and later accuses you of l2p issues. They cant play Nightblade that well themselves. They mainly dont know how to Cloak. Which in all fairness, isn't as easy mode as people make it out to be.

pretty much this

Dracane

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

Dracane back to talking about her sorc. Streak...once...really? I don't think the other sorcs got the office memo. You do realize the nerf in 1.7 does not k8ck 8n until the 3rd use. The first two Cost the same as they did 8n 1.6. Also, it forces to use efficiently. It does not make them useless. Just like dodge roll needs to be 7sed eff8ciently. Also, shields are still solid. Ya shields reduced but so was damage.plus can still stack healing ward so by t8me shield 8s gone your at full health. Dracane you cry about sorcs just as much as those nb's you talk about.

Howeber, I do agree with you about many people that defend nb. They also like to make general statements with no reasoned arguments. This is a problem through all the forums dealing with all s7bjects. Many generalized statements with no reasoned arguments. This is what the op has done. Made a general statement, no arg7ment, and disregarded well reasoned arguments altogwther. A well reasoned, logical, objective arguments 8s necessary to make a claim. A generalized grieve nice 8s not an argument. Reburting an argument with a generalized "you must be x class if you don't see it" is not a counter argument. It is admitting you have no counter argument and no leg to stand on. That argument is basically like saying because I sa8d so and that is my argument.

To all QQ people. Make an argument 9r stay silent.

I meant, it's a one time event. Like you may manage to escape once with your full Magicka bar. But only if the people chasing you are really bad.
I don't cry about Sorcs really. But they aren't as strong as they used to be. What used to make them strong is now a lot weaker. That's all I'm saying

Nightblade is next and no, this will not ruin the game as you and your friends claim. It will restore balance and then the nerf circle can finally come to an end.

Shardaxx

My nb gets killed by templars and sorcerers all the time. Templars rush me and knock me down and its game over, sorcerers shoot me with some horrible shards spell from miles away when I'm not even looking at them. Maybe the OP isn't playing right or something.

Shunravi

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

bowmanz607

Dracane wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

Dracane back to talking about her sorc. Streak...once...really? I don't think the other sorcs got the office memo. You do realize the nerf in 1.7 does not k8ck 8n until the 3rd use. The first two Cost the same as they did 8n 1.6. Also, it forces to use efficiently. It does not make them useless. Just like dodge roll needs to be 7sed eff8ciently. Also, shields are still solid. Ya shields reduced but so was damage.plus can still stack healing ward so by t8me shield 8s gone your at full health. Dracane you cry about sorcs just as much as those nb's you talk about.

Howeber, I do agree with you about many people that defend nb. They also like to make general statements with no reasoned arguments. This is a problem through all the forums dealing with all s7bjects. Many generalized statements with no reasoned arguments. This is what the op has done. Made a general statement, no arg7ment, and disregarded well reasoned arguments altogwther. A well reasoned, logical, objective arguments 8s necessary to make a claim. A generalized grieve nice 8s not an argument. Reburting an argument with a generalized "you must be x class if you don't see it" is not a counter argument. It is admitting you have no counter argument and no leg to stand on. That argument is basically like saying because I sa8d so and that is my argument.

To all QQ people. Make an argument 9r stay silent.

I meant, it's a one time event. Like you may manage to escape once with your full Magicka bar. But only if the people chasing you are really bad.
I don't cry about Sorcs really. But they aren't as strong as they used to be. What used to make them strong is now a lot weaker. That's all I'm saying

Nightblade is next and no, this will not ruin the game as you and your friends claim. It will restore balance and then the nerf circle can finally come to an end.

What exactly do you feel needs to be nerfed on nb besides. Cloak? Personally, I think cloak should not allow magika recovery or reduced recovery while in cl9ak. I think this is reasonable for all aides. But besides that what else do you think and why? I emphasize the why because without it, it is just another general statement.

usmcjdking

I only have a few gripes with Nightblades and it revolves around the use of cloak.

-When I'm in IC a NB can gain a significant combat advantage over me by doing nothing other than dumping agro on me.
-They can cloak right in front of my face and egress much more safely than I can follow and kill them.
-Revealing Flare's stamina cost cut to 1/4/

Stealth detection for cloak needs to be a FIXED 5 meters for PCs and NPCs. Monster S/T attacks should go through cloak in IC. This happens in every game with hide/stealth in OPVP. The means to actually catch someone in hide/stealth are so meagerly pathetic compared to the raw benefits gained by it.

Dracane

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

Just like all the mortal classes, Nightblades will need to learn to rely less on their I win button. DKs needed to learn it, now Sorcs and so do Nightblades. Everything else got nerfed, cloak not. So it's obvious that Nightblade's OPness is increasing with each patch.

I'm not interested in shooting L2P insults at people who don't agree with me (which is exactly what all these Nightblades are doing) But I will not stop supporting justified threads regarding this Nightblade topic.

Tholian1

Dracane wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

Just like all the mortal classes, Nightblades will need to learn to rely less on their I win button. DKs needed to learn it, now Sorcs and so do Nightblades. Everything else got nerfed, cloak not. So it's obvious that Nightblade's OPness is increasing with each patch.

I'm not interested in shooting L2P insults at people who don't agree with me (which is exactly what all these Nightblades are doing) But I will not stop supporting justified threads regarding this Nightblade topic.

I don't see how they can nerf cloak without also making NBs less squishy in the process. Be careful what you wish for.

coolermh

I dont know what stam dk's you been playing but majority of open field combat (non gankng from stealth) a good stam dk will crush most nightblades.

XpoZeD_GoD

I feel like Nightblades are kind of being bullied at the moment purely because of their ability in IC to avoid death and dump aggro. Cloak isn't overpowered in the slightest, the fact that it can inadvertently drop mobs on another player is overpowered. They're still not as strong as the other classes in group content and in regular Cyrodiil are probably equally as strong as a Sorcerer which is stronger than Templar and DragonKnight. Nightblades will always be called overpowered until they nerf cloak to the point where it's a useless ability and when they do, they should remove the class entirely because it won't compete with any class in any form of the game.

Dracane

XpoZeD_GoD wrote: »

I feel like Nightblades are kind of being bullied at the moment purely because of their ability in IC to avoid death and dump aggro. Cloak isn't overpowered in the slightest, the fact that it can inadvertently drop mobs on another player is overpowered. They're still not as strong as the other classes in group content and in regular Cyrodiil are probably equally as strong as a Sorcerer which is stronger than Templar and DragonKnight. Nightblades will always be called overpowered until they nerf cloak to the point where it's a useless ability and when they do, they should remove the class entirely because it won't compete with any class in any form of the game.

Welcome to the world of all the 3 other classes. Especially Dk and Sorc.

Shunravi

Dracane wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

Just like all the mortal classes, Nightblades will need to learn to rely less on their I win button. DKs needed to learn it, now Sorcs and so do Nightblades. Everything else got nerfed, cloak not. So it's obvious that Nightblade's OPness is increasing with each patch.

I'm not interested in shooting L2P insults at people who don't agree with me (which is exactly what all these Nightblades are doing) But I will not stop supporting justified threads regarding this Nightblade topic.

Well, i do strongly disagree with you. But thats more because i would much rather have streakand such brought back to better usability than to continue the downward spiral of nerfs.

But whatever... REVENGE! REVENGE! at least that's what is sounds like....

TheNephilimCrow

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

I think the class is fine. It's the weapons most people are complaining about. I've discovered in my long debate with this topic that most users are being killed by the weapon skills, not the class skills. People are trying to tie in the Nightblade's ability to cloak as being Overpowered so they can justify their arguments, because primarily Nightblades are the popular PvP class. I've posted Skills to counter cloak, I've posted passives that the class has and went over how they are not as good as some people believe, because without using a certain type of skill or having a certain armor type on you won't benefit from the NB's passives.

Nightblades are not overpowered as everyone has been claiming. No one has offered details or facts as to why they are other then the use of skills such as Harness Magicka or Wrecking Blow in coordination to Dark Cloak with a dash of Mass Hysteria being unblockable and unfair. Keeping in mind the first two skills mentioned are weapon skills.

Please take the time to review each class skill versus the other and tell me then how it isn't balanced, when skills for each class and counter another skill another class has. The Devs have even mentioned that Bolt Escape was superior to Dark Cloak, because Dark Cloak has more counters. This is turning into a losing battle for those of you who wish to nerf the Nightblade, we, the Nightblade Community, request that you cease and desist this pointless venture.

Dracane

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

Just like all the mortal classes, Nightblades will need to learn to rely less on their I win button. DKs needed to learn it, now Sorcs and so do Nightblades. Everything else got nerfed, cloak not. So it's obvious that Nightblade's OPness is increasing with each patch.

I'm not interested in shooting L2P insults at people who don't agree with me (which is exactly what all these Nightblades are doing) But I will not stop supporting justified threads regarding this Nightblade topic.

Well, i do strongly disagree with you. But thats more because i would much rather have streakand such brought back to better usability than to continue the downward spiral of nerfs.

But whatever... REVENGE! REVENGE! at least that's what is sounds like....

Either buff the other classes, restore detection potions or nerf nightblades. There are options.

Shunravi

Dracane wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

You know, I was also one of the guys telling nightblades to l2p pre 1.6 if I have to do it again, it will just be once more around the circle. I look forward to it actually...

Just like all the mortal classes, Nightblades will need to learn to rely less on their I win button. DKs needed to learn it, now Sorcs and so do Nightblades. Everything else got nerfed, cloak not. So it's obvious that Nightblade's OPness is increasing with each patch.

I'm not interested in shooting L2P insults at people who don't agree with me (which is exactly what all these Nightblades are doing) But I will not stop supporting justified threads regarding this Nightblade topic.

Well, i do strongly disagree with you. But thats more because i would much rather have streakand such brought back to better usability than to continue the downward spiral of nerfs.

But whatever... REVENGE! REVENGE! at least that's what is sounds like....

Either buff the other classes, restore detection potions or nerf nightblades. There are options.

Agreed.

TheNephilimCrow

Dracane wrote: »

Sorcerer used to be strong in 1.6 for some months. Now now they are just average.
What made them that usefull was bolt escape, which now is a one time even and only if your enemies are braindead.
Shields, even though I thought this would not be the case, are much much weaker than before and now there is a certain class to totally bypass them easily, no skill needed.

However. Nightblades are on the throne since a long time and now they can insult everyone with their L2P quotes (so disgusting, I hope you will receive the echo soon) and when people bring up JUSTIFIED worries and complains about their OPness, they stick together and tell everyone 'Whaaaaa, Nightblade is so easy to counter ' Wha a a a a, Nightblade is soooooo squishy and weak' god, people actually believe this ?

Seems like their attempts to blind the poor developers is working, or because Eric Wrobel is a Nightblade himself. Let's just hope, that this supremacy is soon to be cut down.

Oh, Dracane, nice running into you here. I seem to remember are little debate about this very topic. If your argument is finally off of "Weapon Skills need to be nerfed, but I'm complaining about NB's just because" then you would love to know that you are wrong about this, too. Zos Gina even stated that Nightblades are easier to counter then Sorcerers. If you would like for me to quote her response, I would be more than happy.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

I've created a character from each class, and instead of running to forums and other web sites to come up with super builds cookie cutters, I used the description of each class found at character creation and discovered it does exactly what is says on the tin.

NBs (I have 2, going try a Magicka NB at some point), speed, agility, get in and get out, nasty sting in the tail but the second attention is focused on it, then it's good bye.

DK, stands there taking damage, making sure it's the center of attention. Get bored of waiting for DPS and turn into a werewolf.

Sorc (Who also is a vamp), HA HA I am now going to kill you with my force lightening.... Excuse me is that a lit cigarette in your mouth? Run away......

Templar. Well she helps people.

The point is, if the classes are played and progressed with the initial description in mind then yes you are going to excel in certain areas but be weak in others. But with player free will and human nature instead of covering their weaknesses by forming a group they are looking into how they can do everything by themselves. But it's not just the class that is the cause of these super builds, but the gear and how the skill points are spent and how the character is played.

My conclusion, well how are the devs going to balance classes when they have no control of the player. Some players are naturally better then others, and some players you wonder how on earth they managed to create an account let alone a character.

Nerfing skills is not balancing. Balancing is looking at the strengths and weaknesses of others and yourself and coming up with a workable solution.

Now, I'm going to pass my final words to the Great Mr T.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAPXGuRIXsA

catalyst10e

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I wish I had a recording of this 1 on 1 I did with a horrible night blade. It wasn't even a one on one all he did was hide behind a pillar, put up proximity det while cloak then ambush'd fear me; after it fails he just goes into cloak and runs away only to try it again.
After about 5 different attempts it finally worked and killed me due to lack of resources.

There was another time (which I have a video of) I was ganking this night blade and when I used burning talons (a DoT ability) it would make him stop in place but he would not receive damage because he was cloaked and I couldn't even hit him where the talons held him at. So he just kept cloak spamming while I burning talon spammed him till I gave up and put a detect pot (which only works if said player cloaks and crouches into stealth).

Night blades are OP depending on how you use it but in general they're OP. One guy cloak'd into prox det and ambush'd me into bat swarm/fear and I was insta dropped.

I had a similar encounter. To add insult to injury they were a much lower level then I was, tho after about 15 solid minutes I did eventually kill him. I was on horseback, riding away from a keep when I was knocked off, then began the whole I hit him to low health and before I could deliver the final blow, I'm fear'd he disappears, I spam AOEs looking for him, wasting resources, eventually he makes his presence known or I happen to stumble past him, and we begin the cycle again. If cloak really was a defensive move, he could have taken the many opportunities he gained, to run away from the fight he knew he couldn't win. He didn't. Too often tho, do I see exactly this, clock, proxy, ambush, fear, back to cloak. If it doesn't work the first time it usually does on the second. I've seen it pick off a whole group of 4 people. So single class should be able to do that.

Barlthump

Wow this thread really.. I mean does everyone just whine about nightblade all day? Okay I'm a stam nightblade and I'm going start whining now also. I mean why not right?

For templar,

NERF BITING JABS! Why should I learn to dodge roll? I don't wanna dodge roll. It's too hard. If they can't use detect pots I don't wanna dodge roll

For sorc,

STREAK SHOULDN'T STUN. Why should I waste stam to break free. I don't wanna break free. I want to QQ spam and sprint all day.

For DK,

Buff them. They really need help.

And NERF SHIELDS, I WANNA CRIT SHIELDS WHY SHOULD I WAIT TILL THE SHIELD RUNS OUT? WHY WHY WHY?

OKAY I'M DONE WHINING OR I COULD L2P BUT WHY SHOULD I? PEOPLE AIN'T DOING IT

Ara_Valleria

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL this thread again?

Let me guess you got jumped in IC and came to the forums to demand equality and fairness?

And of course you can't be bothered to slot radiant mage light, make detect potions, or slot up an aoe. No, you demand the ability to kill other players no matter the mechanics or the skill, or lack of skill in this case, involved.

IC is all about ganking. That's all that it is. There is one class that has a dedicated vanish power so SURPRISE they're out ganking people in IC.

In regular pvp I have zero trouble with night blades. I stay with the group. Night blades are mediocre with or against groups. It's when you're off by yourself that you have trouble. Solution? Don't go wandering around by yourself, and if you do, stay stealthed.

But I'm guessing your tears are from IC. You want a class nerfed because of a poorly designed expansion that only some people are 'enjoying'?

Please tell the good people what survivability night blades have without Cloak? They don't have templar heals. They don't have DK armor or damage shields. They don't have Sorcerer Bolt Escape or Hardened Ward. They have Cloak. You complain that they spam Cloak, well guess what Einstein, THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.

So seriously, offer up a viable solution for night blades or just quit pvp.

THIS.

Tannakaobi

I think Nightblades, Sorcerers and Templars are all about even. DK's are weaker and need a lift. But the problem is the nerf cries. Zos seem to jump to any mention of a nerf without thinking and then things get messed up.

Already it has been said that they are basically nerfing cloak and are just looking for a way to do it. Then NB's will be worthless. All the people will move to Templars and before we know it Templars will be next in line for the nerf. This will just go round in circles.

God help us when spell crafting comes....

catalyst10e

Barlthump wrote: »

Wow this thread really.. I mean does everyone just whine about nightblade all day? Okay I'm a stam nightblade and I'm going start whining now also. I mean why not right?

For templar,

NERF BITING JABS! Why should I learn to dodge roll? I don't wanna dodge roll. It's too hard. If they can't use detect pots I don't wanna dodge roll

For sorc,

STREAK SHOULDN'T STUN. Why should I waste stam to break free. I don't wanna break free. I want to QQ spam and sprint all day.

For DK,

Buff them. They really need help.

And NERF SHIELDS, I WANNA CRIT SHIELDS WHY SHOULD I WAIT TILL THE SHIELD RUNS OUT? WHY WHY WHY?

OKAY I'M DONE WHINING OR I COULD L2P BUT WHY SHOULD I? PEOPLE AIN'T DOING IT

Im aware this is sarcasm, but really... Dodge rolls and break free are natural parts of the game, I'm willing to bet if you had to use one of your precious ability slots just to roll or break free the sarcasm would drain from this point.

To be serious here, Do you nightblades have a slot just to counter a specific class? I've read though character builds but have yet to come across anything that said "use x ability IF you encounter (insert class)" but all the other classes have to use a slot specifically for a single class.

Ara_Valleria

catalyst10e wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

Wow this thread really.. I mean does everyone just whine about nightblade all day? Okay I'm a stam nightblade and I'm going start whining now also. I mean why not right?

For templar,

NERF BITING JABS! Why should I learn to dodge roll? I don't wanna dodge roll. It's too hard. If they can't use detect pots I don't wanna dodge roll

For sorc,

STREAK SHOULDN'T STUN. Why should I waste stam to break free. I don't wanna break free. I want to QQ spam and sprint all day.

For DK,

Buff them. They really need help.

And NERF SHIELDS, I WANNA CRIT SHIELDS WHY SHOULD I WAIT TILL THE SHIELD RUNS OUT? WHY WHY WHY?

OKAY I'M DONE WHINING OR I COULD L2P BUT WHY SHOULD I? PEOPLE AIN'T DOING IT

Im aware this is sarcasm, but really... Dodge rolls and break free are natural parts of the game, I'm willing to bet if you had to use one of your precious ability slots just to roll or break free the sarcasm would drain from this point.

To be serious here, Do you nightblades have a slot just to counter a specific class? I've read though character builds but have yet to come across anything that said "use x ability IF you encounter (insert class)" but all the other classes have to use a slot specifically for a single class.

I am a nb and I use
- Radiant magelight/detect pots AND sap to counter other nb cloak
- Cloak to counter templar jesus beams and dots
- Lotus fan AND cripple to counter sorc streak/bol
- Fear AND Shadow Image to counter jab spaming temps and perma-blocking/talon
spaming dks

Therefore the answer to your question is, yes.
Yes I and every other decent nb do slot skills to counter specific classes.

Tannakaobi

catalyst10e wrote: »

To be serious here, Do you nightblades have a slot just to counter a specific class? I've read though character builds but have yet to come across anything that said "use x ability IF you encounter (insert class)" but all the other classes have to use a slot specifically for a single class.

This is a joke right?

It's called cloak! It's our only defense against every class! That's why every Nightblade is against it being nerfed. We will quite literally be defenseless when it gets nerfed.

jelliedsoup

It's interesting~ as a stam nb I find mag Sorcs and Templars OP.
Sorcs dps is crazy, and Templars endless healing.

Other nbs don't really bother me.