Nightblades are the only ones who think all four classes are balanced. Why?

WreckfulAbandon

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

SemiD4rkness

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

What about Stam templars? We don't have Magickas heals.

CP5

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

What about Stam templars? We don't have Magickas heals.

I have 2 templars, one medium armor with 2h and the other my light armor healer. Its odd, but the healer has significantly better survivability as my stamina templar has to work much harder to get similar sustain in combat.

WreckfulAbandon

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

What about Stam templars? We don't have Magickas heals.

You have a passive that increases spell resistance (not much, I know) and Vigor + Rally. And instead of cloak/fear you have BoL as a mana dump. With a bit of CP investment, BoL can be a decent heal even for a stamina build. And as a Stamplar your burst is much better than a magic Templar's.

As far as options go, stamina sorcs and stamplars leave a bit to be desired but if you play offensively and are geared well you will usually kill things pretty quickly.

edit - you also have an aedric spear passive that allows you to block more melee dmg. Templar is my least played class, and I play a magicka temp, but I have stamplar friends who do just fine and shred NB's and sorcs.

TheNephilimCrow

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Sorcs "high burst damage" is a joke thanks to reliance on gimmicky rotations, RNG procs and an Overload that runs dry too fast. Stamblades, on the other hand, can spam WB and Surprise Attack all day without any problems.

Well, yeah? If a class is primarily Stamina or Magicka then of course that class can spam Stamina or Magicka skills. Its not something limited only to Nightblades.

TheNephilimCrow

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

Ara_Valleria

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

This.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Finally someone that has the cojones to admit it.
The rest of them (nb players) will tell you templars can heal and are fine as they are and also will tell you about 1-2 elite templar players that do good in pvp.

my templar is my favorite toon, but yeah, it's the weakest. Lots of broken/useless/underpowered skills, bad ressource management and synergy... but a lot of fun indeed !

I don't care telling the truth @SemiD4rkness because i do have multiple toons, so i don't need to lobby in order to maintain my superior class between the other (and my baby dk will complete my collection soon ^^)

SemiD4rkness

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

It's so hard to get out of red circle
Nbs has to just stand there and not even press any button because cloak is their only usefull skill.
Rofl at nbs, you're all gonna get hit by nerf hammer! Embrace it!

TheNephilimCrow

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

It's so hard to get out of red circle
Nbs has to just stand there and not even press any button because cloak is their only usefull skill.
Rofl at nbs, you're all gonna get hit by nerf hammer! Embrace it!

I like your response, you know why? Because it proves that people have no further arguments when facts are presented to show their arguments are pointless.

If Nightblades do get nerfed, we won't be the only one and we also won't get hit hard. We WILL adapt and survive, like we always have. We will still be superior. Not because of broken, over powered skills, but because we are smart. We are elite players. Embrace that.

danno8

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

You have a passive that increases spell resistance (not much, I know) and Vigor + Rally. And instead of cloak/fear you have BoL as a mana dump. With a bit of CP investment, BoL can be a decent heal even for a stamina build. And as a Stamplar your burst is much better than a magic Templar's.

For stamina builds the magicka dumps you want are the ones that don't lose effectiveness without investment in magicka/spell damage. So Cloak, Fear, Double Take are examples of magicka dumps that lose no effectiveness at low magicka spell power. This is part of the reason why Stamblades are so damn effective.

BoL loses all effectiveness at low magicka/spell power. It's a terrible magicka dump for Stamplars. Repentance is good, and Purifying Ritual is a good cleanse.

TheNephilimCrow

danno8 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

You have a passive that increases spell resistance (not much, I know) and Vigor + Rally. And instead of cloak/fear you have BoL as a mana dump. With a bit of CP investment, BoL can be a decent heal even for a stamina build. And as a Stamplar your burst is much better than a magic Templar's.

This is part of the reason why Stamblades are so damn effective.

On the flipside of it, if you are Stamina base, these magicka skills are not infinite. They cost too much to sustain your Mag pool to spam them. Like fear, in order to effectively use it, you need to cast it two or three times to effect everyone in the area. That will drain your magicka pools. And most fights will result in Nightblades coming up to someone who is already CC immune or others come into the fight and they don't have enough magicka to cast another. It all balances out.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

My point dude was not to say that templar is useless, i just say that my sorcerer and nb are overall way better. Indeed magicka templars are good in heals, but templars have A LOT of broken mecanics. Search in forums you will find long detailed thread with proofs and facts about it, so i won't rewrite those long block texts.

To be in the original thread, yes i do play nb because it's cheesy, easy kills, easy escape, OP in almost any situtation, and i was tired to just be a healing machine striking like a wet noodle or a tp/burst/tp sorcerer that i play since beta.

Isbilen

ITT: Nightblades saying they aren't overpowered and players of the other three classes disagreeing.

Your title is spot on OP

contact.opiumb16_ESO

danno8 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

You have a passive that increases spell resistance (not much, I know) and Vigor + Rally. And instead of cloak/fear you have BoL as a mana dump. With a bit of CP investment, BoL can be a decent heal even for a stamina build. And as a Stamplar your burst is much better than a magic Templar's.

For stamina builds the magicka dumps you want are the ones that don't lose effectiveness without investment in magicka/spell damage. So Cloak, Fear, Double Take are examples of magicka dumps that lose no effectiveness at low magicka spell power. This is part of the reason why Stamblades are so damn effective.

BoL loses all effectiveness at low magicka/spell power. It's a terrible magicka dump for Stamplars. Repentance is good, and Purifying Ritual is a good cleanse.

Indeed. For stamplars the BS is good but cost a lot, BoL is a terrible healing with no real effect

Waffennacht

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

It's so hard to get out of red circle
Nbs has to just stand there and not even press any button because cloak is their only usefull skill.
Rofl at nbs, you're all gonna get hit by nerf hammer! Embrace it!

I like your response, you know why? Because it proves that people have no further arguments when facts are presented to show their arguments are pointless.

If Nightblades do get nerfed, we won't be the only one and we also won't get hit hard. We WILL adapt and survive, like we always have. We will still be superior. Not because of broken, over powered skills, but because we are smart. We are elite players. Embrace that.

Lmfao, LMFAO! Hit a nerve did he?

Yes im sure all good players automatically play NB, cause of that 7th sense they have before playing a game... they just "know" they have to be nightblades.

Like pulling a string in front of a cat, instinct...

OR you're just upset and are making ridiculous comments...

NBs well, if you are being changed, just time to deal.

Shunravi

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

It's so hard to get out of red circle
Nbs has to just stand there and not even press any button because cloak is their only usefull skill.
Rofl at nbs, you're all gonna get hit by nerf hammer! Embrace it!

I like your response, you know why? Because it proves that people have no further arguments when facts are presented to show their arguments are pointless.

If Nightblades do get nerfed, we won't be the only one and we also won't get hit hard. We WILL adapt and survive, like we always have. We will still be superior. Not because of broken, over powered skills, but because we are smart. We are elite players. Embrace that.

Lmfao, LMFAO! Hit a nerve did he?

Yes im sure all good players automatically play NB, cause of that 7th sense they have before playing a game... they just "know" they have to be nightblades.

Like pulling a string in front of a cat, instinct...

OR you're just upset and are making ridiculous comments...

NBs well, if you are being changed, just time to deal.

Nb were bottom of the pack for a year and a half and still kicked butt. Believe me, nb can deal.

TheNephilimCrow

Isbilen wrote: »

ITT: Nightblades saying they aren't overpowered and players of the other three classes disagreeing.

Your title is spot on OP

Well, of course that is how it seems, because Nightblades are the ones targeted, not the other classes... what was the point of this comment?

CtrlAltDlt

All classes are balanced. Im a nightblade

TheNephilimCrow

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgetting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Those threads have those responses, because are the responses that deserves.....

But is very curious that you don't do any mention to this....."all the people who says that NB are OP, have never played NB before....."

NB is WEAK like hell.....kill a NB is the most easy thing that you can do in PvP with any class, and you have a lot of skills to counter NB and is your problem if you don't want use them, (damn, if even NB have "piercing mark" for use against other NB!) so it's not a "typical NB response" is a real response that you deserves.....

L2P

And yes, i have a main NB, but i have a lot of hours played with all others characters and ALL have good skills to do good stuff in PvP ( I miss a lot the healing skills of the templar when i play with other classes..)......the problems is that those skills needs time and practice.... and it's too much easiest cry in forums that L2P

I have to run 8 counters - 5 skills, 2 ultimates and potions. None of them give a decisive advantage.I have been fighting nightblades since release. Everyday at least 2-3 times I fight nightblades, in a group if 5 or more, and they cloak spam out despite not only my counters, but my teammates as well. I play with some of the most experienced players on Azura.

The skill is broken.

They obviously aren't that experienced if they can't properly use class and public counters available to them. Hell, if anyone of them are as experienced as you are claiming, then they must have Caltrops available to them. In Azura Star, Caltrops are a Nightblades worst nightmare. It has such a wide spread and instantly snares and pulls them from cloak.

It's honestly one of the most effective and equally annoying counter that Nightblades have to face. Imagine being stealth and someone pops it. Then your visible, then you hit Cloak and it ends as soon as you press it, because you are still in the AoE.

Even afterward, you have to deal with the snare effect that last a while. So, if you don't manage to get out of the AoE then you won't be able to go stealth again. Its the perfect skill.

It's so hard to get out of red circle
Nbs has to just stand there and not even press any button because cloak is their only usefull skill.
Rofl at nbs, you're all gonna get hit by nerf hammer! Embrace it!

I like your response, you know why? Because it proves that people have no further arguments when facts are presented to show their arguments are pointless.

If Nightblades do get nerfed, we won't be the only one and we also won't get hit hard. We WILL adapt and survive, like we always have. We will still be superior. Not because of broken, over powered skills, but because we are smart. We are elite players. Embrace that.

Lmfao, LMFAO! Hit a nerve did he?

Yes im sure all good players automatically play NB, cause of that 7th sense they have before playing a game... they just "know" they have to be nightblades.

Like pulling a string in front of a cat, instinct...

OR you're just upset and are making ridiculous comments...

NBs well, if you are being changed, just time to deal.

Hit a nerve? Not at all, unless you are meaning that his last response made me laugh out loud? That's all it did. I posted with a legitimate fact and he came back with what he did. It offered no counter argument. Nothing except him making a mockery of the fact we get stuck in the AoE or "red circle". It amused me, because Caltrops is a strong counter against Cloak and he basically L2P me with his response. It's quite ironic, considering how he started this thread and is against Cloak. LOL

All I've done is try and offer up defense tips for those crying about Nightblades, because ultimately, the class is not over powered by any standard. Sure the tools we have access to (Weapon Skills, Alliance Skills, etc) work effectively, but truth be told, all of those skills can be accessed by everyone. So, it's not Nightblades. It's a real, hard, crash course L2P issue you all are dealing with.

ZOS_Gina even stated they were going to make minor adjustments to the skill, but in her same statement offered up a good detail. That "Unlike Bolt Escape, there are skills that each class has that can easily counter Cloak". So, yeah... sounds like she was implying this is a L2P issue with her "easily" comment.

(I don't have the post in front of me, so it's not word for word, but it is along those lines. I will find it if people must have it.)


Edit: Apologies she said "unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak", still referring that it is easily done.

danno8

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

You have a passive that increases spell resistance (not much, I know) and Vigor + Rally. And instead of cloak/fear you have BoL as a mana dump. With a bit of CP investment, BoL can be a decent heal even for a stamina build. And as a Stamplar your burst is much better than a magic Templar's.

This is part of the reason why Stamblades are so damn effective.

On the flipside of it, if you are Stamina base, these magicka skills are not infinite. They cost too much to sustain your Mag pool to spam them. Like fear, in order to effectively use it, you need to cast it two or three times to effect everyone in the area. That will drain your magicka pools. And most fights will result in Nightblades coming up to someone who is already CC immune or others come into the fight and they don't have enough magicka to cast another. It all balances out.

That part is the same for all stamina builds. Cloak and BoL cost around the same amount, but Cloak works the same for a stamblade build, whereas BoL is not even remotely the same for a stamplar build.

So with resource management being the same, the Stamblade comes out on top.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

There are way too many different variables to take into account. The only true way to know how the class is with others is to have your character fight another class with exactly the same armour and weapons on. To make it fair, the armour and weapons should be level 1 with no enchantments, no set bonuses and no enhancements. Also both characters will have pumped all attribute points into health, so no bonuses to damage. It is then down to the base level damage of active skills and passives.

However you then have to take into account things that are on the player side like are they animation canceling and using macros or a multi button mouse and any other hardware used. And also player tactics.

NBs are not the easiest of classes to get right, but when they are done right they are devastating which they should be. They are supposed to come from the shadows kill their target and disappear. The hint is in the name, hence why a lot of assassins will come from this class.

As a NB, I have to pick my fights, watch out for my blind spots, keep an eye out for possible trouble and be tactical, only to then watch a Templar, DK or Sorc go charging into what I'm preparing for with no fear, wipe them out and move on.

danno8

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

As a NB, I have to pick my fights, watch out for my blind spots, keep an eye out for possible trouble and be tactical, only to then watch a Templar, DK or Sorc go charging into what I'm preparing for with no fear, wipe them out and move on.

I can guarantee you that the Templar and DK at least are crossing their fingers when they dive in, 'cause once they are in, there is no out. Playing without fear (no pun intended) is a requirement now, otherwise they would never get anything done.

xXNesTXx

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run from a resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

SemiD4rkness

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

WreckfulAbandon

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

Instead of trying to get cloak nerfed, can you think about areas in which you think Templars should be buffed?

I'm all for buffing other classes, I don't want an I-win button. I want good fights and balanced classes. I use simple AoE's on all my characters to counter cloak. It's not a hard counter by any means, but all you have to do is uncover the NB once and use gap closers and stick to them like glue. Some NB's aren't even good at cloaking and leave little trails that tell you where they are.

SemiD4rkness

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

Instead of trying to get cloak nerfed, can you think about areas in which you think Templars should be buffed?

I'm all for buffing other classes, I don't want an I-win button. I want good fights and balanced classes. I use simple AoE's on all my characters to counter cloak. It's not a hard counter by any means, but all you have to do is uncover the NB once and use gap closers and stick to them like glue. Some NB's aren't even good at cloaking and leave little trails that tell you where they are.

Stam morph of the gap closer. Stam heal (like breath of like). Thats it. Also remove the stupid CC off of Biting Jabs

xXNesTXx

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

Malmai

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

As a templar i can honestly say that from my point of view Dk, Templar and Sorc (this last one at a smaller degree) need some kind of buff when compared to Nightblades.

Everytime a read a ''buff x class'' the only ones telling people left and right to L2p are nightblades, also pointing out all classes strenghts and forgotting about the bigger weaknesses. Also everytime i see a ''nerf x nightblade skill'' the same people tell everyone how the class is super balanced and even weak and blablabla L2p crap, sometimes they make me actually believe that nbs need some serious buffs.
I wanted to make a poll asking if people think Nb are op but is kinda pointless since they're the most popular class by far (no wonder why)

But if in a game of four classes only one is ''balanced' isnt it better to just nerf it until it is as underpowered as the others then the game would be finally balanced.

Im talking strictly from a PvP point of view, i feel like in pve all classes can do well in almost all roles.

Discuss.

Only op class is magicka sorc.

lol, keep joking.

Its not a joke

WreckfulAbandon

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

Instead of trying to get cloak nerfed, can you think about areas in which you think Templars should be buffed?

I'm all for buffing other classes, I don't want an I-win button. I want good fights and balanced classes. I use simple AoE's on all my characters to counter cloak. It's not a hard counter by any means, but all you have to do is uncover the NB once and use gap closers and stick to them like glue. Some NB's aren't even good at cloaking and leave little trails that tell you where they are.

Stam morph of the gap closer. Stam heal (like breath of like). Thats it. Also remove the stupid CC off of Biting Jabs

Yep, as it is, you have to CC them b4 going for Biting Jabs otherwise you are giving them free immunity. And Temps don't have the best CC's... A buff to eclipse and a stamina morph might also be good. I find Stamplars and Stam sorcs to have the least utility with their own class skills out of any combinations, and think this should be remedied.