Nightblades are the only ones who think all four classes are balanced. Why?

SemiD4rkness

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

Dude Cloak is OP, tell me one skill i can't slot as a templar, anyone, and i'll make myself a build that will still be competitive.
Do the same on Nbs and their cloak and they're ***. You're all too dependant on it and that's a bad thing.

xXNesTXx

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

Dude Cloak is OP, tell me one skill i can't slot as a templar, anyone, and i'll make myself a build that will still be competitive.
Do the same on Nbs and their cloak and they're ***. You're all too dependant on it and that's a bad thing.

Of course NB are dependant of cloak, but without shields, without heal and having a low health compared with other classes....what do you want?

For that reason cloak are OP?? for be the only way to survive of a NB?

And by the way... removing Biting jabs/Puncture Sweeps of Templar builds....i don't know how many templars can remain competitive.....

eliisra

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

And you clearly never play your stamina templar, when you type ridiculous stuff like this. It's like saying magcika sorcs can heal with Vigor lol.

Templar smart heals scales of max magicka + spell power. They heal a stamina templar for roughly nothing after the reduction from Battle Spirit is applied.

Only class skill that heals a stamplar is Repentance, which requires finding a dead body to active. Even stam sorcs have more self-healing from Surge.

Comparing class based self-heals for stamina builds is totally pointless anyway. Because best heals for any stamina build is Vigor + Rally. What matters if what type of utility, sustain and defence you have on top of those 2 heals, where stamblade wins by miles compared to any other stamina build and especially stamina templars.

xXNesTXx

eliisra wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

And you clearly never play your stamina templar, when you type ridiculous stuff like this. It's like saying magcika sorcs can heal with Vigor lol.

Templar smart heals scales of max magicka + spell power. They heal a stamina templar for roughly nothing after the reduction from Battle Spirit is applied.

Only class skill that heals a stamplar is Repentance, which requires finding a dead body to active. Even stam sorcs have more self-healing from Surge.

Comparing class based self-heals for stamina builds is totally pointless anyway. Because best heals for any stamina build is Vigor + Rally. What matters if what type of utility, sustain and defence you have on top of those 2 heals, where stamblade wins by miles compared to any other stamina build and especially stamina templars.

No, i never play with my templar.....is in vet 6 for cause of celestial intervention....

And of course a stamina templar can't heal....for that reason i have the dungeon and PvP healer achievements.....achievements that i not have with my NB.....

Obviously a magicka templar are better for healing.....but i have 10 points in magicka, and resto staff with restoration light skills .....and if i need more magicka i can switch to magicka food for having some magicka extra...and you know what? works very well.....

So of course i am not the best healer, but i still having more chances for heal myself and allies with my templar than my NB....

And having a complete skill line of healing in templar class, if you say that "best heals for any stamina build is Vigor + Rally" possibly you are the only who type ridiculous stuff here.....because even in a stamina build, Breath of life and Lingering Ritual still being better than Vigor+Rally for healing

Darnathian

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

Dude Cloak is OP, tell me one skill i can't slot as a templar, anyone, and i'll make myself a build that will still be competitive.
Do the same on Nbs and their cloak and they're ***. You're all too dependant on it and that's a bad thing.

Of course NB are dependant of cloak, but without shields, without heal and having a low health compared with other classes....what do you want?

For that reason cloak are OP?? for be the only way to survive of a NB?

And by the way... removing Biting jabs/Puncture Sweeps of Templar builds....i don't know how many templars can remain competitive.....

Your low on health because you chose to stack damage for your tank builds.

Infinite12

Nightblades are dependent on cloak, the problem is if you screw up cloak then we have nothing for defense. As it is I can only hit cloak 2 times, MAYBE 3 if I'm lucky and a lot of the time I'm pulled out of cloak immediately. If you screw around with cloak then I have to just sit there, with no heals, no shields, no bolt escape to save me and just die. You think THAT'S fair?

CP5

Infinite12 wrote: »

Nightblades are dependent on cloak, the problem is if you screw up cloak then we have nothing for defense. As it is I can only hit cloak 2 times, MAYBE 3 if I'm lucky and a lot of the time I'm pulled out of cloak immediately. If you screw around with cloak then I have to just sit there, with no heals, no shields, no bolt escape to save me and just die. You think THAT'S fair?

Tell a sap-tank they have no heals.

Aerieth

nihonseanb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL this thread again?

Let me guess you got jumped in IC and came to the forums to demand equality and fairness?

And of course you can't be bothered to slot radiant mage light, make detect potions, or slot up an aoe. No, you demand the ability to kill other players no matter the mechanics or the skill, or lack of skill in this case, involved.

IC is all about ganking. That's all that it is. There is one class that has a dedicated vanish power so SURPRISE they're out ganking people in IC.

In regular pvp I have zero trouble with night blades. I stay with the group. Night blades are mediocre with or against groups. It's when you're off by yourself that you have trouble. Solution? Don't go wandering around by yourself, and if you do, stay stealthed.

But I'm guessing your tears are from IC. You want a class nerfed because of a poorly designed expansion that only some people are 'enjoying'?

Please tell the good people what survivability night blades have without Cloak? They don't have templar heals. They don't have DK armor or damage shields. They don't have Sorcerer Bolt Escape or Hardened Ward. They have Cloak. You complain that they spam Cloak, well guess what Einstein, THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.

So seriously, offer up a viable solution for night blades or just quit pvp.

Well said, sir. Couldn't have put it into words better myself. You win 1000 internets!

It's kinda sad that we don't have any option besides Cloak. Back in the beginning of the game, I ran a full heavy armor setup with a leech life playstyle. Sword and Board for sustained fighting and Bow for sneaking around and initiating fights. Worked really well and wasn't reliant on Cloak at all. Would want to see if this worked nowadays but I don't want to spend several hundred thousand gold to craft competitive gear and find out it doesn't work at all.

Tholian1

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I honnestly have to admit that my nb and sorcerer are way stronger than my templar, considering they are the same lvl with comparable itemisation.

Their is clearely a huge difference.

Only my dk is too low lvl to have a good comparaison.

Templars are in a good place right now, their burst certainly isn't as good as sorcs and NB's but their heals are on point. What's the point of a class system if there's no variety? And DK's are boss in PvE (at all roles) so any buffs to them will have to be very incremental and well-thought out. Because I can say that my magic DK's playstyle was definitely gutted when IC dropped

OMG No!!! .because, they want Templars with the same (or better) damage than NB or Sorcs and having a insane amounts of healing too!

The NB cloak needs a cost increase for each use, but the immortality caused by the healing of templars are okay?? what kind of hypocrisy is that?.....a NB can hide himself to flee.....but a templar can run since one resource to outside walls spamming heal while are hit by 3 guys without dying.....and same for the shields of DK.....

And i don't want any nerf for templars or DK, but i am so tired of this hate against Nb class forgetting all good (and annoying when fight against them) things that all classes have....

ONCE AGAIN, NOTA LL TEMPLARS ARE MAGICKA.

I know....i have a stamina templar.....and you know what? i still having more healing skills than i have in my NB....

And taking your argument....not all NB are Magicka.....

But of course....NB are OP ¬¬

Dude Cloak is OP, tell me one skill i can't slot as a templar, anyone, and i'll make myself a build that will still be competitive.
Do the same on Nbs and their cloak and they're ***. You're all too dependant on it and that's a bad thing.

So you want NBs to be boxed into only a couple different builds to maybe still be effective?

*Edited because my post was mean. Sorry.

Tholian1

CP5 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Nightblades are dependent on cloak, the problem is if you screw up cloak then we have nothing for defense. As it is I can only hit cloak 2 times, MAYBE 3 if I'm lucky and a lot of the time I'm pulled out of cloak immediately. If you screw around with cloak then I have to just sit there, with no heals, no shields, no bolt escape to save me and just die. You think THAT'S fair?

Tell a sap-tank they have no heals.

So you are suggesting that all NBs should be sap-tanks?

"I want all nightblades to be limited to these specific builds because I hate cloak."

No thanks.

Shunravi

CP5 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Nightblades are dependent on cloak, the problem is if you screw up cloak then we have nothing for defense. As it is I can only hit cloak 2 times, MAYBE 3 if I'm lucky and a lot of the time I'm pulled out of cloak immediately. If you screw around with cloak then I have to just sit there, with no heals, no shields, no bolt escape to save me and just die. You think THAT'S fair?

Tell a sap-tank they have no heals.

because every nightblade is a sap tank...

CP5

Shunravi wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Nightblades are dependent on cloak, the problem is if you screw up cloak then we have nothing for defense. As it is I can only hit cloak 2 times, MAYBE 3 if I'm lucky and a lot of the time I'm pulled out of cloak immediately. If you screw around with cloak then I have to just sit there, with no heals, no shields, no bolt escape to save me and just die. You think THAT'S fair?

Tell a sap-tank they have no heals.

because every nightblade is a sap tank...

Not every sorc is a shield stacker. You can't judge a class by what some builds can do, and if you sacrifice using some of the skills that provide your class durability, then being killed quicker should be expected.

Titan1373

After seeing this topic brought up again and again, I've came to the conclusion that people who think cloak is OP clearly haven't played NB. As a magicka NB, I can tell you there are soooo many counters to cloak. Just because you don't want to change your loadout, or playstyle doesn't mean cloak is OP. According to these forums, everyone and their brother is a NB so wouldn't it make sense to try and slot something to stop it if you really think it's OP? Funny thing is most NB are Stam based and can realistically only cloak 3-4 times before they run out of magicka. Also keep in mind Stam users use surprise attack, not concealed weapon, so they don't get the speed bonus. So to be as effective as some people swear that cloak is for Stam users, they have to use double take/retreating maneuvers to get anywhere, and are completely out of magic which means no CC, no class defense.

Seriously I know some people are bitter over IC. I'd be lying if I said I haven't robbed some of you of your hard earned stones(shout out to my yellow and blue funders). Equip a freaking counter. Don't be the last one through the door. Don't stop and clear your inventory when your group is leaving. These will prevent massive rage induced NB are OP threads more than a nerf will.

Titan1373

Please nerf paper. Paper is completely OP and not fair. It's ruining the game for me. Please bring balance to this game. Scissors is fine though.

Signed,
Rock


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Tryxus

What's the point of an assassin class if they can't sneak up on ppl?

Darnathian

Titan1373 wrote: »

After seeing this topic brought up again and again, I've came to the conclusion that people who think cloak is OP clearly haven't played NB. As a magicka NB, I can tell you there are soooo many counters to cloak. Just because you don't want to change your loadout, or playstyle doesn't mean cloak is OP. According to these forums, everyone and their brother is a NB so wouldn't it make sense to try and slot something to stop it if you really think it's OP? Funny thing is most NB are Stam based and can realistically only cloak 3-4 times before they run out of magicka. Also keep in mind Stam users use surprise attack, not concealed weapon, so they don't get the speed bonus. So to be as effective as some people swear that cloak is for Stam users, they have to use double take/retreating maneuvers to get anywhere, and are completely out of magic which means no CC, no class defense.

Seriously I know some people are bitter over IC. I'd be lying if I said I haven't robbed some of you of your hard earned stones(shout out to my yellow and blue funders). Equip a freaking counter. Don't be the last one through the door. Don't stop and clear your inventory when your group is leaving. These will prevent massive rage induced NB are OP threads more than a nerf will.

It is OP until:

It stops being a purge as well. That is too much. You should have to slot purge like everyone else. Should not be an escape, invisibility, and remove purge. That is what makes it OP.

Tryxus

Then nerf Cleansing Ritual and its morphs from Templars too, it is OP

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TheNephilimCrow

Tryxus wrote: »

Then nerf Cleansing Ritual and its morphs from Templars too, it is OP

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Dude, we need to nerf air. It provides too much oxygen to live. We shouldn't have to breathe, ya know?