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  • Ghostbane
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    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Oh, i do use vigor, but i want to slot some class skills for once...

    Igneous Shield
    Wings
    Unstable Flame
    Petrify
    Chains
    Burning Breath
    Choking Talons
    Hardened Armor
    Molten Armaments

    Go nuts.
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  • Spacemonkey
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    Teargrants wrote: »
    Spacemonkey wrote: »
    So my understanding is that DK just got served what Templars got 6 months after launch.

    When are NBs and Sorcs getting nerfed to rebalance the whole thing?
    I'm sorry? Bolt Escape has infinite stacking cost now. Show me another skill in the game penalized as strictly.

    Actually I could point out to almost half the templar skills.
    Speaking of which you know they have an entire skill tree penalized 50% in pvp right?

    ... yeah keep crying about bolt escape
  • Ghostbane
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    Spacemonkey wrote: »
    Teargrants wrote: »
    Spacemonkey wrote: »
    So my understanding is that DK just got served what Templars got 6 months after launch.

    When are NBs and Sorcs getting nerfed to rebalance the whole thing?
    I'm sorry? Bolt Escape has infinite stacking cost now. Show me another skill in the game penalized as strictly.

    Actually I could point out to almost half the templar skills.
    Speaking of which you know they have an entire skill tree penalized 50% in pvp right?

    ... yeah keep crying about bolt escape

    But you are talking about a restriction against a universal mechanic, and not something specifically, for a specific classes specific ability, specifically.

    And said penalty doesn't increment on usage in a short space of time.
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  • EnOeZ
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    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.
    Edited by EnOeZ on February 10, 2016 7:26AM
  • Angus
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    Suppose your friend asks you whether cat turds or dog turds taste better on a sandwich.

    Wouldn't you feel compelled to point out that neither is a great food choice, since there's a plate of bacon as an alternative?

    Or would you give the poor guy an analysis indicating that cat turds are definitely better than dog turds?
    Edited by Angus on February 10, 2016 3:04PM
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  • frozywozy
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    As much as I agree with the utility part for soloing ressources and stealth detection, inhale scales off spell power so it doesn't make it very appealing to me.
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  • Moglijuana
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    "Miss" not sir, gota respect the Almighty Jules, please and thanks...and no...Inhale is NOT better than GDB for stam DK's. It scales off of spell damage/max magicka/Elemental Expert...Stam DK's don't stack ANY of those stats...the "possible" utility of an interrupt is so far beneath the potential healing values of Dragons Blood when enough champion points have been acquired. As far as getting cloaked NBs out of stealth, you do know Volatile armor does the same thing yes? And it gives you more survivability than Inhale as a stam user. Even in it's current state, Dragon's blood will DEFINITELY heal more than a stam DK using Inhale...who cares if you get more "AP" by hitting more people, you're still going to die and that extra AP is lost when you spend 5 minutes running back anyways.
    Edited by Moglijuana on February 10, 2016 3:24PM
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  • EnOeZ
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    Moglijuana wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    "Miss" not sir, gota respect the Almighty Jules, please and thanks...and no...Inhale is NOT better than GDB for stam DK's. It scales off of spell damage/max magicka/Elemental Expert...Stam DK's don't stack ANY of those stats...the "possible" utility of an interrupt is so far beneath the potential healing values of Dragons Blood when enough champion points have been acquired. Even in it's current state, Dragon's blood will DEFINITELY heal more than a stam DK using Inhale...who cares if you get more "AP" by hitting more people, you're still going to die and that extra AP is lost when you spend 5 minutes running back anyways.

    I think you are not aware "miss" that we are speaking of the PVP environment.
    Until very low health, even in pure healing perspective inhale heals more than GDB.
    You cannot rely on a heal only efficient on your last 20-25% only right ? Aren't you as good as dead waiting to be in execute range of all opponents to heal ? Especially when you have the alternative to chain heals from 90% health down under pressure right ?

    If I have one and only one healing slot to spare, definitely Inhale with a huge margin, especially adding its utility. Of course, inhale needs opponents. GDB would win only on a mobile range character very good at not being surrounded (which is not the DK's specialty).

    When GDB is unnerfed, then we will speak again.
    Edited by EnOeZ on February 10, 2016 3:34PM
  • Moglijuana
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Moglijuana wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    "Miss" not sir, gota respect the Almighty Jules, please and thanks...and no...Inhale is NOT better than GDB for stam DK's. It scales off of spell damage/max magicka/Elemental Expert...Stam DK's don't stack ANY of those stats...the "possible" utility of an interrupt is so far beneath the potential healing values of Dragons Blood when enough champion points have been acquired. Even in it's current state, Dragon's blood will DEFINITELY heal more than a stam DK using Inhale...who cares if you get more "AP" by hitting more people, you're still going to die and that extra AP is lost when you spend 5 minutes running back anyways.

    I think you are not aware "miss" that we are speaking of the PVP environment.
    Until very low health, even in pure healing perspective inhale heals more than GDB.
    You cannot rely on a heal only efficient on your last 20-25% only right ? Aren't you as good as dead waiting to be in execute range of all opponents to heal ? Especially when you have the alternative to chain heals from 90% health down under pressure right ?

    If I have one and only one healing slot to spare, definitely Inhale with a huge margin, especially adding its utility. Of course, inhale needs opponents. GDB would win only on a mobile range character very good at not being surrounded (which is not the DK's specialty).

    When GDB is unnerfed, then we will speak again.

    Considering my play time consists of ONLY PvP I do think I know what we are talking about. I have TWO V16 DKs. One Stam Redguard, one Magicka Dark Elf. I would never, EVER, slot inhale on my stam DK because the healing tool tip is a measly 1.1k (buffed) at a max of 3 targets currently. Thats a 3.3k heal (divided by half in Cyrodiil) which comes out to a 1650 heal If and only if I hit 3 people. With a Magicka pool of maybe 10k, I can get 3 inhales off before I'm OOM. With 28k health, lets say I'm at 50% HP. With Battle Spirit Dragonsblood does 16.5% of your missing HP. 14,000 * .165 = 2310 (plus stam recovery OR 8% extra healing after initial use)...so, even at HALF health, even with how BAD Dragons blood is, it will STILL heal more than Inhale...the *chance* of using the utility of Inhale on a stam DK is a waste of a slot, but if it helps YOU as a player, go for it. For reference, my magicka DK has 2.6k SD unbuffed, 33k max magicka and my tooltip on Deep Breath is only 1.9k per target...it BARELY heals more than Dragonsblood and ONLY because I am magicka on that character.
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  • Elong
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    Please just ignore all of this advice and slot neither skills if you're a Stam DK.
  • WRX
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    Ghostbane wrote: »
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Oh, i do use vigor, but i want to slot some class skills for once...

    Igneous Shield
    Wings
    Unstable Flame
    Petrify
    Chains
    Burning Breath
    Choking Talons
    Hardened Armor
    Molten Armaments

    Go nuts.

    Ghost is so good, he doesnt even use ultimates.
    Decibel GM

    GLUB GLUB
  • EnOeZ
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    Elong wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    Please just ignore all of this advice and slot neither skills if you're a Stam DK.

    Please be respectful @Elong , I did not give an advice, I have just answered to the poster's very precise and close question.

    The original poster never asked what was the absolute best healing option. You are answering @Elong your own question, what you can do without even posting here ! :blush:
    Edited by EnOeZ on February 10, 2016 6:14PM
  • Elong
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Elong wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    Please just ignore all of this advice and slot neither skills if you're a Stam DK.

    Please be respectful @Elong , I did not give an advice, I have just answered to the poster's very precise and close question.

    The original poster never asked what was the absolute best healing option. You are answering @Elong your own question, what you can do without even posting here ! :blush:


    It's kind of pointless advice imo. I'm sorry you find it disrespectful to say both skills aren't worth slotting as a stamina player.
  • Kelleton
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    Angus wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    Suppose your friend asks you whether cat turds or dog turds taste better on a sandwich.

    Wouldn't you feel compelled to point out that neither is a great food choice, since there's a plate of bacon as an alternative?

    Or would you give the poor guy an analysis indicating that cat turds are definitely better than dog turds?

    You sir just won the internet
  • Jules
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Moglijuana wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    "Miss" not sir, gota respect the Almighty Jules, please and thanks...and no...Inhale is NOT better than GDB for stam DK's. It scales off of spell damage/max magicka/Elemental Expert...Stam DK's don't stack ANY of those stats...the "possible" utility of an interrupt is so far beneath the potential healing values of Dragons Blood when enough champion points have been acquired. Even in it's current state, Dragon's blood will DEFINITELY heal more than a stam DK using Inhale...who cares if you get more "AP" by hitting more people, you're still going to die and that extra AP is lost when you spend 5 minutes running back anyways.

    I think you are not aware "miss" that we are speaking of the PVP environment.
    Until very low health, even in pure healing perspective inhale heals more than GDB.
    You cannot rely on a heal only efficient on your last 20-25% only right ? Aren't you as good as dead waiting to be in execute range of all opponents to heal ? Especially when you have the alternative to chain heals from 90% health down under pressure right ?

    If I have one and only one healing slot to spare, definitely Inhale with a huge margin, especially adding its utility. Of course, inhale needs opponents. GDB would win only on a mobile range character very good at not being surrounded (which is not the DK's specialty).

    When GDB is unnerfed, then we will speak again.

    This defies all common logic known to man.
    Why are we even talking about which crappy heal is less crappy?

    Use Igneous shield, vigor, and rally. This is how you heal on a stam dk. End of story.

    And yes, I'm a miss. It appears you missed @Moglijuana 's attempt at pointing that out to you.
    Edited by Jules on February 11, 2016 6:01PM
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  • Ghostbane
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    WRX wrote: »
    Ghostbane wrote: »
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Oh, i do use vigor, but i want to slot some class skills for once...

    Igneous Shield
    Wings
    Unstable Flame
    Petrify
    Chains
    Burning Breath
    Choking Talons
    Hardened Armor
    Molten Armaments

    Go nuts.

    Ghost is so good, he doesnt even use ultimates.

    I use that 2H'er ultimate.

    Jules wrote: »
    This defies all common logic known to man.

    Hold on, I have not commented yet.


    Edited by Ghostbane on February 11, 2016 6:08PM
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  • EnOeZ
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    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Moglijuana wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Armitas wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
    The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

    I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
    Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

    sounds like a L2P issue

    L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.
    mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »
    Hmmm is inhale better than dragon blood for stam dks too?

    Yes in Cyrodiil Inhale > GDB even for Stam DK.
    And for the other responses, well Inhale vs Obsidian+Vigor combo is one slot vs two slots... It makes a huge difference, enough to make a valid question for some frontline builds... and the interrupt adds some utility.

    lol GL with this. If you slot inhale as a stam DK as your main heal, you will die. A lot. I promise you.

    Well sir, you're wrong.
    Does Obsidian+Vigor heal more ? Absolutely !
    Does GDB is superior to inhale in Cyrodiil ? Absolutely not and that was his question ! :persevere:

    Inhale vs GDB allows you to interrupt templars jesus beams (which is damage prevented), interrupt guard healers to solo resources faster and allow you to reveal cloacked NB (one of the few options we have). Additionally, it allows more AP generation due to more targets hit.

    Last, GDB healing < Inhale healing, even for Stam DK until below about 20% health left. Therefore it's currently a loss of GCD over 80% of the battletime.

    So again, yes currently in Cyrodiil (again) Inhale > GDB even for stam DK.
    Inhale heals (most of the time) more and adds (some) DPS and good utility.
    GDB heals for less (most of the time), adds no DPS and conflicts with stam potions (opportunity loss).

    Other question ? (...)
    @Angus I am also answering to you too.

    "Miss" not sir, gota respect the Almighty Jules, please and thanks...and no...Inhale is NOT better than GDB for stam DK's. It scales off of spell damage/max magicka/Elemental Expert...Stam DK's don't stack ANY of those stats...the "possible" utility of an interrupt is so far beneath the potential healing values of Dragons Blood when enough champion points have been acquired. Even in it's current state, Dragon's blood will DEFINITELY heal more than a stam DK using Inhale...who cares if you get more "AP" by hitting more people, you're still going to die and that extra AP is lost when you spend 5 minutes running back anyways.

    I think you are not aware "miss" that we are speaking of the PVP environment.
    Until very low health, even in pure healing perspective inhale heals more than GDB.
    You cannot rely on a heal only efficient on your last 20-25% only right ? Aren't you as good as dead waiting to be in execute range of all opponents to heal ? Especially when you have the alternative to chain heals from 90% health down under pressure right ?

    If I have one and only one healing slot to spare, definitely Inhale with a huge margin, especially adding its utility. Of course, inhale needs opponents. GDB would win only on a mobile range character very good at not being surrounded (which is not the DK's specialty).

    When GDB is unnerfed, then we will speak again.

    This defies all common logic known to man.
    Why are we even talking about which crappy heal is less crappy?

    Use Igneous shield, vigor, and rally. This is how you heal on a stam dk. End of story.

    And yes, I'm a miss. It appears you missed @Moglijuana 's attempt at pointing that out to you.

    I have no problem with you being misses.
    How could have guessed with "Jules" as your name ?
    Regarding logic, I do not know what I can do for you.
    Edited by EnOeZ on February 11, 2016 6:16PM
  • Vynn
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    On ESO live today, Wrobel indicated that they specifically did not want to give DKs an execute ability as they wanted DK damage to focus on DoT damage. I think there is a viable solution. Create or adjust a passive for DKs so that fire DoT effects (perhaps class only ones) do 100% more damage when the enemy is in execute range (say 30% ish). That way the DK still focuses on DoT effects as Zos wants, and makes the DK DoTs more effective, as everyone still says they are crap.
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    Aren't dots blocked by shields and can be dodged? ( haven't played since a while )
  • ryanborror
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    Vynn wrote: »
    On ESO live today, Wrobel indicated that they specifically did not want to give DKs an execute ability as they wanted DK damage to focus on DoT damage. I think there is a viable solution. Create or adjust a passive for DKs so that fire DoT effects (perhaps class only ones) do 100% more damage when the enemy is in execute range (say 30% ish). That way the DK still focuses on DoT effects as Zos wants, and makes the DK DoTs more effective, as everyone still says they are crap.

    Use dual wield for execute passive or executioner and all other 2 hand abilities.

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  • vortexman11
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    Just wanted to say... "It adds something interesting to the game to know that when you're fighting a DK you won't get executed" -ESO Live

    How can one say that, then believe that a skill like DragonBlood is in no need of changing? Doesn't the fact that if you don't execute a DK fast enough they can jump up to 75-80% health make the game equally interesting? Or is it just interesting to watch a DK spam burning embers as a heal if they get low?
    Edited by vortexman11 on February 13, 2016 3:18PM
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    vortexman11 wrote: »
    Just wanted to say... "It adds something interesting to the game to know that when you're fighting a DK you won't get executed" -ESO Live

    It's almost as if the person who said that doesn't realize a DK can execute by using 2H or DW.
    Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.

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  • Ghostbane
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    vortexman11 wrote: »
    Just wanted to say... "It adds something interesting to the game to know that when you're fighting a DK you won't get executed" -ESO Live?

    See.. this is silly.

    I think its more interesting to give them an execute and wonder if they have it slotted. For example, a sorc will look at a DK on the battlefield, see no wings for ten seconds, and wonder... ..start to build a frag..
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    vortexman11 wrote: »
    Just wanted to say... "It adds something interesting to the game to know that when you're fighting a DK you won't get executed" -ESO Live

    How can one say that, then believe that a skill like DragonBlood is in no need of changing? Doesn't the fact that if you don't execute a DK fast enough they can jump up to 75-80% health make the game equally interesting? Or is it just interesting to watch a DK spam burning embers as a heal if they get low?



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  • Cody
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    Etaniel wrote: »
    nb4 everyone calls me a fotm mag dk :D

    im joining it. lol
  • hammayolettuce
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    I understand ZOS not wanting every class to be the same with skills having different names and animation but in the end having the same result. However, if you want only one class to not have and execute than passively they need to do more dmg to the target when the target is below a certain heal %, and or, the Dragonknight needs to have some passive resistance to executes. This passive resistance to an execute can be something along the lines of executes do 10% less damage when at 15-30% health and then 20% reduced execute damage when below 15% health. Seeing as most executes do roughly 10k dmg when a player is around 10% health a 20% reduction isnt too high and allows the DK to live up to that ZOS notion as the DOT using Tank class.

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  • Vynn
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    ryanborror wrote: »
    Vynn wrote: »
    On ESO live today, Wrobel indicated that they specifically did not want to give DKs an execute ability as they wanted DK damage to focus on DoT damage. I think there is a viable solution. Create or adjust a passive for DKs so that fire DoT effects (perhaps class only ones) do 100% more damage when the enemy is in execute range (say 30% ish). That way the DK still focuses on DoT effects as Zos wants, and makes the DK DoTs more effective, as everyone still says they are crap.

    Use dual wield for execute passive or executioner and all other 2 hand abilities.

    That would be viable if you are stamina. Not if you are a magicka DK. The "just play stamina instead of suggesting they balance the game" is not something i agree with.
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    Vynn wrote: »
    ryanborror wrote: »
    Vynn wrote: »
    On ESO live today, Wrobel indicated that they specifically did not want to give DKs an execute ability as they wanted DK damage to focus on DoT damage. I think there is a viable solution. Create or adjust a passive for DKs so that fire DoT effects (perhaps class only ones) do 100% more damage when the enemy is in execute range (say 30% ish). That way the DK still focuses on DoT effects as Zos wants, and makes the DK DoTs more effective, as everyone still says they are crap.

    Use dual wield for execute passive or executioner and all other 2 hand abilities.

    That would be viable if you are stamina. Not if you are a magicka DK. The "just play stamina instead of suggesting they balance the game" is not something i agree with.

    Right? Like how do people think a magicka build can viably use a stamina execute that is most cases requires it to be used more tha once to complete the execute.
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    hammayolettuce wrote: »
    I understand ZOS not wanting every class to be the same with skills having different names and animation but in the end having the same result. However, if you want only one class to not have and execute than passively they need to do more dmg to the target when the target is below a certain heal %, and or, the Dragonknight needs to have some passive resistance to executes. This passive resistance to an execute can be something along the lines of executes do 10% less damage when at 15-30% health and then 20% reduced execute damage when below 15% health. Seeing as most executes do roughly 10k dmg when a player is around 10% health a 20% reduction isnt too high and allows the DK to live up to that ZOS notion as the DOT using Tank class.

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    The problem is that Wrobel does not really think PVP-wise. Too much decision power in the hand of one person imho.
    Of course you need a way to finish people fast in this game, instant big heals exist in this game and are accessible to everyone. You cannot offer not to give that tool with the meta built.

    But as if it was the first combat gameplay design failure in this game...
    • Heavy Armor
    • Stamina vs Magicka...
    • Block mechanic and so on...

    Many friend and community leaders are hot on Black Desert Online, with much more abilities, lots of logic in combat ability design and did not heard of lag on that game...

    TESO is great minus combat ability clunkyness and fundamental very bad decisions and worse implementation. And that lag... seriously in fact we love too much the game: we continue to pay and it's stay a "we work on it" communication thing.

    Damn, just Pay 10 top network engineers a mission a full week or month and fix it.
    Take the required decisions, limit the size of groups, activate AOE friendly fire some way, just be serious about us.
    Now there is competition and I have just no argument left after Wrobel's ESO live to defend TESO against BDO.

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    Edited this thread to reflect the thieves guild changes and where DK stands as of 3/15/16
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