The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

Ishammael

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

Meaning the DLC after Orsinium or what exactly?

Yup, thats the update after next.

TLDR - We won't have balance changes for 5 more months.

Yeah Dark Brotherhood or the other thing they mentioned. So unless they do a special update, Q1 of 2016.

I think something like March timeframe -- Orsinium should drop in December.

Bashev

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

I have to write a letter to Santa Claus and ask him to bring that balance patch for Christmas.

Takllin

Ishammael wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

Meaning the DLC after Orsinium or what exactly?

Yup, thats the update after next.

TLDR - We won't have balance changes for 5 more months.

Yeah Dark Brotherhood or the other thing they mentioned. So unless they do a special update, Q1 of 2016.

I think something like March timeframe -- Orsinium should drop in December.

Certainly hope so!

Trayyacakes

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

We understand what you are saying, it is just that no MMO that wants to be taken seriously will wait 4-5 months after changing game mechanics to do balance "tweaks and adjustments." Especially in a game like this where there are so many skill/gear combinations. Things are going to pop up that weren't foreseen that are super OP, and things are going to happen that didn't work as intended that end up completely gimping classes/builds. Balance is never attainable, but should always be the goal, and if all you are going to give us is balance tweaks every 4-5 months then we will move on when the next thing comes around.

All of us here love the combat system and love the way pvp works/worked, we will put up with a lot of neglect, but what has been done lately has been a slap in the face to us. Constantly nerfing small groups and solo play to make zerging the way to go. Nerfing active defense(one of the things that made this game so fun) nearly into the ground. Removal of soft caps, infini resource builds, Ridiculous damage builds that lead to the blanket battle spirit change instead of fixing penetration bugs and putting some kind of diminishing return system back into the game. Dynamic Ult Gen (the best tool for fighting outnumbered) taken away. I'm just droning on at this point.

PvP was a huge selling point for this game, and is the only reason I play this game. I hate having to grind PVE mobs and dungeons to get my build perfect, but I do it because I love the PVP. I know this last patch was supposed to be a "PVP" update, but its 90% PVE. IC doesn't contribute to the war in Cyrodiil at all. It isn't gated. You can't capture objectives there that contribute to the campaign. I'm babbling again, but come on ZoS at least have the decency to give us monthly balance tweaks. We love your game and want to play it. Help us help you.

Wollust

These guys from ZOS simply do not care enough. That's all.
Well whatever.. At this point I'm not really surprised anymore.

Just waiting for Camelot Unchained.

EnOeZ

Happy to see this post -finally - succeeding in federating the DKs !


Dear ZOS,

Without escape, we need to hold our ground.
Give us as effective "hold the line" tools as Teleport (Sorcs) and Invisibility (Nbs) are effective escape tools.

For now, it is not the case.

Give us as effective "control the battle ground" tools as Mines (Sorcs), Stun Teleports aka Bolt escape (Sorcs), Fear (Nbs)

For now, it is not the case.

Healing (halved) and blocking (no more stam regen) are gone, but only hurts "Stand your ground" playstyle and therefore does not hurt the same Sorcs and Nbs. Give us equal chances and equally effective tools.

For now it is not the case.

Sorcs favorite armor (light) and Nbs favorite armors (light & medium) are so damn good compared to the disastrous so called "Heavy" Armor PVP design. Un-nerf Constitution Passive, make it proc twice as often and fix Black Rose Set (currently not giving the promised buff on Health Regen). Give us on par armor,

For now it is not the case.

Templar, Nbs and Sorcs all have outstanding Resource Management Tools. Earthen Heart passive is 5% return on use but does not work as intended (currently bugged, does not proc more than 50% on consecutive casts). Give us on par Class resource management.

For now it is not the case.

Bolt Escape and Fear are strong enough not to be able to reliably CC break, however even with full stamina it just does not work more than 60% of the time at the first hit of left+right click. You must spam it. Give us reliable CC break as we are the ones without escape who have to support the most CCs.

For now it is not the case.

We have spent hundreds, thousands of hours in this game, made its promotion, brought tens of thousands of new players through our articles and podcasts, many has left, but we stick in hope, surely entertaining Sorcs and Nbs with our subpar toolkit. We spend time of our lives in this game in addition of directly supporting it though, well money. The time spent is lost in hope for months now, especially PVPers who suffer the most from this ongoing "we will see next year" issue. Give us consideration for the incredible amount of time we spent with you in game and in this forum, theroycrafting and providing you with thousands of easy fixes, but...

For now it is not the case.

It's only your job
It's our life (at least a big chunk of it)
We care.
You should.

It's not only soccer, basketball or baseball..
Gaming is serious.

Give us balance.
Give us consideration


Signed : A former TESO plus subscriber who had advocated for and promoted an Elder Scrolls MMO since... Morrowind.
--
My desperate contributions and analysis all proven right weeks before release :
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/profile/discussions/4843357/EnOeZ

bertenburnyb16_ESO

to do a tweak here and there u dont need months, well not in any other MMO though, it would be a week or 2 max to adjust something
u can do it at the weekly downtime, add a couple % there, remove a couple % there
this doesnt have to take half a year!

whos programming this stuff?

Joy_Division

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

I don't think you company understands that playing a game with acknowledged and admitted issues is not very fun when issues won't be fixed for months and months.

aco5712

Joy_Division wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

I don't think you company understands that playing a game with acknowledged and admitted issues is not very fun when issues won't be fixed for months and months.

i dont think they understand anything when it comes to MMOs. they are seriously treating it like a single player TES game where they do a patch once in a while and add new DLC content when they feel like it....

MrTtheDK

Joy_Division wrote: »

Agree 100%

#FreeXanadu #ImprisionJoyDivision #NoMoreBlue #DK4Life #WKB #PreNerfVDSACompleteGroup #AltmerOrcAltmerKhajiit #hashtags

Ghostbane

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

to do a tweak here and there u dont need months, well not in any other MMO though, it would be a week or 2 max to adjust something
u can do it at the weekly downtime, add a couple % there, remove a couple % there
this doesnt have to take half a year!

whos programming this stuff?

It doesn't take months. Being in a position to safely make such a change is. The next few months have already been roadmapped internally, and resources have been prepped and allocated.

As much as I would like them to hotfix this that and the other, hotfixing has its limitations. The weekly maintenance addresses bugs and irregularities against the scope of the last main patch. Altering any ability will be committee reviewed and paced through all sorts of processing.

Mucking about with percentages half heartedly is why we had problems in the past with Sharpened and Nirn.

If you want faster results, find a ZoS Project Manager. Buy them several™ drinks, suggest a few polite suggestions, see what happens.

frozywozy

I personally don't think that buffing GDB will be enough. DKs are squishy and buffing one heal won't do much unless it significantly increase health regeneration at the same time. Against physical damage glass cannon types of characters, magicka DKs are very weak since perma block nerf and need more survivability and sustain.

5pc lich looks amazing for sustain but it is a PVE set that seems incredibly hard to obtain so I won't even think about it. I heard from alot of people that Willow's Path is not working as it should so this isn't an option either. Also, being forced to use heavy armor removes the option to benefit from light armor passives giving more recovery.

Revert Ash Cloud to what it used to be and add back the miss chance.
Find a way to make health regeneration or drain life (life stealing) good for DKs.

Elijah_Crow

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

krim

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

When did you guys come up with the idea to stop whatever you had originally planned like spellcrafting and such to rework the game for 1.6.

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

Explain to me in your words how the class was completely overpowerd.

Master_Kas

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

Armitas

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

Welcome to the thread, you're 15 pages late. Learn to flame an entire community on time please.

Yonkit

Master_Kas wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

He's a Pver @Master_Kas He dunno sheet

Master_Kas

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

He's a Pver @Master_Kas He dunno sheet

Ah that explains it

Lamiai

well that response from zos is beyond disappointing, straight up saying DK are done for next few months..

MeridianKnight

Ishammael wrote: »

I think something like March timeframe -- Orsinium should drop in December.

Is Orsinium a PvE focused release?

Takllin

MeridianKnight wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

I think something like March timeframe -- Orsinium should drop in December.

Is Orsinium a PvE focused release?

Yes

Yonkit

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

He's a Pver @Master_Kas He dunno sheet

Ah that explains it

Post a video of you proxy-bombing people again, oh wait! You can't cause TTK sucks

I hate this patch.

Master_Kas

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

He's a Pver @Master_Kas He dunno sheet

Ah that explains it

Post a video of you proxy-bombing people again, oh wait! You can't cause TTK sucks

I hate this patch.

Lmao stack more ppl than your enemies, profit.

Waiting for SW: Battlefront then I'm out, only will check in to talk with people/friends in game

Why ? Because the dev's clearly don't play this game and suck at balancing/tweaking with slow updates/fixes. To slow for my taste

Yonkit

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. I can't believe that for the first time since launch, the DK Class which has been completely overpowered has been brought into balance. Now the players of this class throw a fit on the forums and ZOS responds with the appearance of conceding.

I am fine with DK's having some issues addressed but they should not be the best at everything.

Consider carefully ZOS, before buckling to the will of those players (many who chose the class because of its superiority).

DK's are more balanced now than they have ever been. Do not return them to their previous power for every role.

DK's are hardly balanced right now. And I say this when I'm maining a stamina nightblade.

They do need buffs/tweaks in some areas, there's no denying it. Why do you think so many nightblades and sorcerers popped up from 1.6 to live ?

He's a Pver @Master_Kas He dunno sheet

Ah that explains it

Post a video of you proxy-bombing people again, oh wait! You can't cause TTK sucks

I hate this patch.

Lmao stack more ppl than your enemies, profit.

Waiting for SW: Battlefront then I'm out, only will check in to talk with people/friends in game

Why ? Because the dev's clearly don't play this game and suck at balancing/tweaking with slow updates/fixes. To slow for my taste

Meh, new expansion for SWTOR, then Fallout 4, Halo 5, the Division, check back in with Elder Bads Online: Tamrie-fail Limited, then, and if it's still Elder Bads Online then I'll go play Black Desert... Devs seriously need to stop catering to baddies

krim

Meh blade and soul CBT is like a month away. Im trying that.

Armitas

So a corporation responds by essentially saying that your class will remain busted and sub par for another half a year and people begin discussing other companies. What a completely expected and understandable result.

You have 5 products here. Sorcerers, Nightblades, Templars, Dragonknights, and the world of Tamriel. The first 4 product lines are our avatars in which we interact with the world. Updating the world is meaningless if your first 4 product lines are faulty. In this case we have a product line, the DK, our interface into Tamriel, that has become faulty and you are telling us to wait another half year. Imagine any other company abandoning a product line for half a year? I can't. The DK, all classes in fact, are part of your product line, not a meta aspect of the game.

Trayyacakes

Armitas wrote: »

So a corporation responds by essentially saying that your class will remain busted and sub par for another half a year and people begin discussing other companies. What a completely expected and understandable result.

You have 5 products here. Sorcerers, Nightblades, Templars, Dragonknights, and the world of Tamriel. The first 4 product lines are our avatars in which we interact with the world. Updating the world is meaningless if your first 4 product lines are faulty. In this case we have a product line, the DK, our interface into Tamriel, that has become faulty and you are telling us to wait another half year. Imagine any other company abandoning a product line for half a year? I can't. The DK, all classes in fact, are part of your product line, not a meta aspect of the game.

Armitas you are making entirely too much sense. Obviously they just don't care. They are here to milk as much money as they can out of people who will buy the dlc's and play no matter what. I just hope a good alternative comes soon.

PainfulFAFA

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

So a corporation responds by essentially saying that your class will remain busted and sub par for another half a year and people begin discussing other companies. What a completely expected and understandable result.

You have 5 products here. Sorcerers, Nightblades, Templars, Dragonknights, and the world of Tamriel. The first 4 product lines are our avatars in which we interact with the world. Updating the world is meaningless if your first 4 product lines are faulty. In this case we have a product line, the DK, our interface into Tamriel, that has become faulty and you are telling us to wait another half year. Imagine any other company abandoning a product line for half a year? I can't. The DK, all classes in fact, are part of your product line, not a meta aspect of the game.

Armitas you are making entirely too much sense. Obviously they just don't care. They are here to milk as much money as they can out of people who will buy the dlc's and play no matter what. I just hope a good alternative comes soon.

Based on the results of their FIRST DLC, I would not come back to this game and blindly buy the DLC without first checking the forums.

So much things in forums within the 1st week of DLC release, I expect the same for the next DLC so I will be basing my decision on what forums say.

And now I'll end my post with this truthful post.

vortexman11 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems.Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

So....does this mean we've got 4 months to "enjoy" 1.7 then you're going to completely rebalance the game again forcing everyone to redo all their builds and ruining it in another completely different and unexpected way? Great! Thank you for the confirmation that I shouldn't spend any gold on gear because it will be completely overhauled....again.

Can you not just make small balance changes in each incremental patch? Why must you guys rebalance EVERYTHING then wait another 4-5 months and rebalance EVERYTHING again. 1.6 would of been great if you fixed bugs, but instead you chose to rebalance EVERYTHING all over again. 1.5 would of been great if you tweaked the way a few skills and passives worked, but instead you decided to rebalance it again. Each time you guys do one of your beautiful rebalances more and more PvPers leave this game. Look, I know you guys care very little about your PvP community, but stop with the large scale rebalancing and start tweaking the game until it reaches the perfection it could of reached months ago.

SneaK

This shouldn't be put on the backburner until 2016. By the time the DK gets their much needed lovin, Donald Trump will be the next Daedric Prince spotlighted in ZOS's DLC.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be clear, we don't have plans to completely rebalance and rework classes like we did back in Update 6. The next update will contain mainly bug fixes, and the update after that will have adjustments and tweaks to the classes.

And how's that making things better?