The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

hammayolettuce

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

_Chaos

No answer was better than that answer.

Why on earth would you make sweeping undocumented changes and not tweak coding to account for the change in mechanics?

You guys need to learn how to split up your resources and have two teams, one for maintaining product, and one for new developments. There should never be a lapse in product support!

You made changes, you deal with the consequences of those and work with us to mitigate the damages! Why the SNIPPING SNIP would you not adjust anything until next year?

I'm giving this game one more GD month. It's been over a year and a half and the simplest of issues go unchanged until "next major updates" AND THEN WE FIGHT WITH THE NEW BUGS(OR UNDOCUMENTED CHANGES) FOR THREE MORE. RINSE AND REPEAT. It's more of a chore than a dang game anymore.

Fruitdog

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

_Chaos

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Talcyndl

At the very least a tweak to Green Dragon Blood in PvP should be made sooner rather than later. That's something that is the direct result of the recent changes and effects basically all DK builds.

Firerock2

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

drzycki_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

I guess we all just continue to WB, WB, WB, WB until then.

Alomar

Lol, no balancing till early next year when the need for drastic balancing is already months late? Best of luck to those of you sticking it out, but by that time I'll be in either CU Beta, Black Desert Online, Gloria Victis, or any of the more promising titles.

Takllin

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Unfortunately my schedule is way too ridiculous or I'd take you up. I already cancelled on Jules to leveling together

Firerock2 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

Uhh wut? Absolutely false. Stamplar and Magicka Templar is in a great spot currently.

Armitas

Thank you for relaying this Gina, we are speaking through you not at you. You and two others are the only ones we have to get through the communication firewall to ZOS.

If you guys would just listen to what we say on the pts forums we wouldn't have to wait till next year to fix some of the things we have been saying since the PTS for 1.6. There won't be many DKs left by next year and this was an entirely avoidable predicament by simply listening to the class feedback on the PTS forums. You guys do this to us all the time, you make changes, ignore the feedback to the changes on the PTS and release it intact then abandon us for months to live with the consequences. I am not going to roll another class, that is not a solution for me. Next time be proactive in listening to us, not reactive after 12 pages and eventually 3-4 months later. I would open up a dialogue in the developer section now so that we can be on course when the next PTS hits. Once PTS hits it's too late for any changes.

Some of these things can be reverted sooner at the very least, such as molten weapons requiring a full heavy. That would at least make it useful in PvE again.

Firerock2

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Unfortunately my schedule is way too ridiculous or I'd take you up. I already cancelled on Jules to leveling together

Firerock2 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

Uhh wut? Absolutely false. Stamplar and Magicka Templar is in a great spot currently.

What exactly can a Stamplar do that a Stamina DK cannot? I'll tell you what they can't do, exchange Magicka for stamina.

EDIT: I also want to add that DK's Igneous shield increasing healing (including vigor) by 30%, the Templar's passive increases healing in a circle of protection (our purge) by 30% but only for restoring light abilities. In other words Stamina Templar's do not get a 30% increase to vigor or rally healing like Stamina DKs do. Tell me again how Stamplars are in a good spot.


Magicka Templars are pretty much in the same spot as Magicka DKs, their shields have the same *** scale off of health mechanic, they both have trouble with resource management, they can't burst damage, they are both tank classes that lack mobility so the stamina nerf to block greatly affects them. The only real difference between Temps and DKs ATM is that Temps can still use their Magicka heals (those are crappier too now though) however a reliable self heal isn't going to fix DKs or Temps. I could go on about how Magicka DKs get reflective scales while the Templars reflect works off of CC immunity and is single target, or I could compare the passives but that isn't the point. Both classes have been continually nerfed to the point where there is a noticeable difference between them and the "high burst high mobility" classes

Ghostbane

WTB Mara Grinding Partner

hammayolettuce

Ghostbane wrote: »

WTB Mara Grinding Partner

Asgari is looking for one. Ariana Kishi is being moved off to a bag mule. Sad days indeed.

Takllin

Firerock2 wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Unfortunately my schedule is way too ridiculous or I'd take you up. I already cancelled on Jules to leveling together

Firerock2 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

Uhh wut? Absolutely false. Stamplar and Magicka Templar is in a great spot currently.

What exactly can a Stamplar do that a Stamina DK cannot? I'll tell you what they can't do, exchange Magicka for stamina.

Magicka Templars are pretty much in the same spot as Magicka DKs, their shields have the same *** scale off of health mechanic, they both have trouble with resource management, they can't burst damage, they are both tank classes that lack mobility so the stamina nerf to block greatly affects them. The only real difference between Temps and DKs ATM is that Temps can still use their Magicka heals (those are crappier too now though) however a reliable self heal isn't going to fix DKs or Temps. I could go on about how Magicka DKs get reflective scales while the Templars reflect works off of CC immunity and is single target, or I could compare the passives but that isn't the point. Both classes have been continually nerfed to the point where there is a noticeable difference between them and the "high burst high mobility" classes

Erm have you played either? I've played both for a long time, good friends with people that have as well. They are in a much better spot right now. Stamplar has insane DPS from Biting Jabs. Apparently you've never heard of Repentance, that scales off Stamina/Weapon Damage now as well...

Radiant Ward is still somewhat useful, and people need to stop trying to use Igneous Shield what it was not designed for. Templars absolutely do not have resource management issues, thanks to all of their channeled abilities which lend themselves much better to having high regen, plus repentance with the 10% regen boost.

Templars are much better off this update, I'm sorry that you can't see that.

A magicka Templar isn't in the same light as a Sorcerer or Nightblade, but they aren't in the spot that Magicka DK is.

Minno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

Thank you for my DK brothers in arms for an update and expected timeline. I would seal that comment in a stickied thread to avoid future threads asking for an update.

We should switch focus to getting DK's viable in this current update. They will be missed on the battlefield if we don't

Ghostbane

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

WTB Mara Grinding Partner

Asgari is looking for one. Ariana Kishi is being moved off to a bag mule. Sad days indeed.

Coldharbour will not want to see us two again, the regulars are still recovering.

Rhakon

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

We all know the game is will get big changes with removal of Vetranks and Championspoint- Cap, balancing now would be sensless. But bugfixing should happen as fast as possible.

Joy_Division

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

Hi Gina,

I appreciate the input and the recognition of the issues that were well articulated in the OP. We really do value communication even if at times it does not seem that way.

That being said, like others, I have to express my frustration with the manner in which your company chooses to operate. During the Beta process for this patch, it was clear as day that some stuff like Green Dragon's Blood was just bad and broken under the current mechanics of the game. Sometime between a hotfix tomorrow and Valantine's Day 2016 is a reasonable time to make the skill functional. There really isn't an excuse to continual to allow bad mechanics to exist when those bad mechanics are evident. We aren't asking for a system redesign here. We are asking for tweaks and adjustments.

Something else to consider with this policy of devising changes in this secret laboratory, where only ZoS's internal staff has input and tests this: by shutting us out and presenting everything to us as a fait accompli, any mistakes, oversights, bugs, incorrect perceptions, etc. that were not picked up in the secret laboratory are thrust us on, incapable of being changed. ZoS gave us a 1.6 that it thought was fine. We got our hands on it, discovered glass cannons were the way to go, and had to live with an insta-death, unlimited resource meta for 6 months.

It would be so much more efficient if the secret laboratory had actual transparency and we also tested this stuff out. At some point, the ZoS secret laboratory will push out a version of Green Dragon's Blood that it thinks is fine. Put it on an incremental patch and let us play with it. That way ZoS can get the feedback regrading how elements of these "new systems" are actually working and can adjust accordingly, so when that update does actually hit, it is more polished, more tested, more smooth, and just plain better.

Armitas

^This. You said it so much better.

frozywozy

Firerock2 wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Unfortunately my schedule is way too ridiculous or I'd take you up. I already cancelled on Jules to leveling together

Firerock2 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

Uhh wut? Absolutely false. Stamplar and Magicka Templar is in a great spot currently.

What exactly can a Stamplar do that a Stamina DK cannot? I'll tell you what they can't do, exchange Magicka for stamina.

EDIT: I also want to add that DK's Igneous shield increasing healing (including vigor) by 30%, the Templar's passive increases healing in a circle of protection (our purge) by 30% but only for restoring light abilities. In other words Stamina Templar's do not get a 30% increase to vigor or rally healing like Stamina DKs do. Tell me again how Stamplars are in a good spot.


Magicka Templars are pretty much in the same spot as Magicka DKs, their shields have the same *** scale off of health mechanic, they both have trouble with resource management, they can't burst damage, they are both tank classes that lack mobility so the stamina nerf to block greatly affects them. The only real difference between Temps and DKs ATM is that Temps can still use their Magicka heals (those are crappier too now though) however a reliable self heal isn't going to fix DKs or Temps. I could go on about how Magicka DKs get reflective scales while the Templars reflect works off of CC immunity and is single target, or I could compare the passives but that isn't the point. Both classes have been continually nerfed to the point where there is a noticeable difference between them and the "high burst high mobility" classes

Wait, are you saying that magicka templars need a reliable self heal like DKs do?

Firerock2

frozywozy wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Unfortunately my schedule is way too ridiculous or I'd take you up. I already cancelled on Jules to leveling together

Firerock2 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

Just as bad and maybe even worse on the stamina side of things, roll a Sorc and get an 11k shield that costs less than 3k magicka

Uhh wut? Absolutely false. Stamplar and Magicka Templar is in a great spot currently.

What exactly can a Stamplar do that a Stamina DK cannot? I'll tell you what they can't do, exchange Magicka for stamina.

EDIT: I also want to add that DK's Igneous shield increasing healing (including vigor) by 30%, the Templar's passive increases healing in a circle of protection (our purge) by 30% but only for restoring light abilities. In other words Stamina Templar's do not get a 30% increase to vigor or rally healing like Stamina DKs do. Tell me again how Stamplars are in a good spot.


Magicka Templars are pretty much in the same spot as Magicka DKs, their shields have the same *** scale off of health mechanic, they both have trouble with resource management, they can't burst damage, they are both tank classes that lack mobility so the stamina nerf to block greatly affects them. The only real difference between Temps and DKs ATM is that Temps can still use their Magicka heals (those are crappier too now though) however a reliable self heal isn't going to fix DKs or Temps. I could go on about how Magicka DKs get reflective scales while the Templars reflect works off of CC immunity and is single target, or I could compare the passives but that isn't the point. Both classes have been continually nerfed to the point where there is a noticeable difference between them and the "high burst high mobility" classes

Wait, are you saying that magicka templars need a reliable self heal like DKs do?

No, I'm saying BoL isn't putting Temps on par with Sorcs or Nighblades and so giving DKs BoL or just buffing dragon blood isn't going to put them on par either.

Was the meme necessary? You clearly misunderstood what I was saying yet you tried to make a mockery out of it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

EDIT: Apparently its not rude to attempt to make fun of somebody's post but it is rude to say things how they are and tell somebody what they are. Thanks mods.

asneakybanana

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

Please no unless you make wrecking blow bashable. If you make a stam version of whip all people are going to do is hit you with wb and the spam whip on you while you're cc'd. Power bash and wb combo is already good enough as it is.

Huckdabuck

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Fruitdog wrote: »

Lol, you could reroll a different class and level it all the way to alliance rank 24 in 3 months time. Well maybe not all the way to 24 considering how dead Cyrodiil is lately.

@Takllin Time to bust out the ole Ring of Mara beb, I need another Templar.

@spenc_cathb16_ESO Look at the last toon in my sig.....WTB templaring grind partner PST. Although I'm not giving them another penny so I won't be buying a ring of mara....did you ever get a new pic uploaded in TS?

Jules

Joy_Division wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

Hi Gina,

I appreciate the input and the recognition of the issues that were well articulated in the OP. We really do value communication even if at times it does not seem that way.

That being said, like others, I have to express my frustration with the manner in which your company chooses to operate. During the Beta process for this patch, it was clear as day that some stuff like Green Dragon's Blood was just bad and broken under the current mechanics of the game. Sometime between a hotfix tomorrow and Valantine's Day 2016 is a reasonable time to make the skill functional. There really isn't an excuse to continual to allow bad mechanics to exist when those bad mechanics are evident. We aren't asking for a system redesign here. We are asking for tweaks and adjustments.

Something else to consider with this policy of devising changes in this secret laboratory, where only ZoS's internal staff has input and tests this: by shutting us out and presenting everything to us as a fait accompli, any mistakes, oversights, bugs, incorrect perceptions, etc. that were not picked up in the secret laboratory are thrust us on, incapable of being changed. ZoS gave us a 1.6 that it thought was fine. We got our hands on it, discovered glass cannons were the way to go, and had to live with an insta-death, unlimited resource meta for 6 months.

It would be so much more efficient if the secret laboratory had actual transparency and we also tested this stuff out. At some point, the ZoS secret laboratory will push out a version of Green Dragon's Blood that it thinks is fine. Put it on an incremental patch and let us play with it. That way ZoS can get the feedback regrading how elements of these "new systems" are actually working and can adjust accordingly, so when that update does actually hit, it is more polished, more tested, more smooth, and just plain better.

Sometimes I just like to read the things Joy says. Bravo.

hammayolettuce

asneakybanana wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

Please no unless you make wrecking blow bashable. If you make a stam version of whip all people are going to do is hit you with wb and the spam whip on you while you're cc'd. Power bash and wb combo is already good enough as it is.

Talos forbid people actually have access to good skills that work well together. That might make the game fun to play!

JDar

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

As soon as I get magicka-based weapon skills you can have everything you asked for.

Derra

Oh wow. Hey DK friends look forward to get buffs as soon as early next year! Maybe check out our new dlc and level a nightblade for that one...

You all have my warmest condolences

hammayolettuce

JDar wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

As soon as I get magicka-based weapon skills you can have everything you asked for.

Yes. Because class skills ought to only be available to magicka builds! It's not like ZoS already made stamina morphs of such skills as veiled strike or puncturing strikes or anything.

JDar

hammayolettuce wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

As soon as I get magicka-based weapon skills you can have everything you asked for.

Yes. Because class skills ought to only be available to magicka builds! It's not like ZoS already made stamina morphs of such skills as veiled strike or puncturing strikes or anything.

If you want to use class abilities, why don't you just make a magicka build? I know the answer: it's because you want all the benefits of magical abilities and weapon abilities with none of the drawbacks. Just doesn't seem fair to magicka users.

Trayyacakes

JDar wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

@ZOS_GinaBruno if it is possible, please speak to the development team regarding a stamina morph of Lava Whip. Perhaps they were concerned about perma-blocking stamina-based Whip Spammers before, but perma-blocking is more or less a thing of the past. A DK friend of mine who hates playing as stamina because of the lack of DK stamina skills is basically forced into it, and I know a lot of another DK's feel this way. Perhaps something can be done to make DK's stamina based DoT's, Burning Breath and Unstable Flame, more viable in PvP as well, or in lieu of a stamina-based Lava Whip.

As soon as I get magicka-based weapon skills you can have everything you asked for.

Yes. Because class skills ought to only be available to magicka builds! It's not like ZoS already made stamina morphs of such skills as veiled strike or puncturing strikes or anything.

If you want to use class abilities, why don't you just make a magicka build? I know the answer: it's because you want all the benefits of magical abilities and weapon abilities with none of the drawbacks.

Or because magicka DKs blow right now...