Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

newtinmpls

What is the significance of pressing "alt f4"?

The_Drexill

A game that was all about immersion when it was a sub, now flashes large yellow ad's across the screen in game?

Didn't see that coming.

Betahkiin

newtinmpls wrote: »

What is the significance of pressing "alt f4"?

The game is closed.

Ser Lobo

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

KhajitFurTrader

Let us put server broadcast messages on ignore.

There, problem solved.


On a more serious note: please don't ever do that again, for whatever shallow reason. Shop advertising does not belong there, in in-game mails, on loading screens, or anywhere within the freaking game context.

You have wrought a marvel of an immersive game, plastering it with ads is a surefire way of destroying immersion, and with it, the game.

Makkir

People are seriously over-reacting to the "spam." Seriously, chill out.

Betahkiin

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

LEGENDARYYY

Gidorick wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Just put the god damn ads in loading screens or something. I don't want huge yellow letters all over my screen on a daily basis. Seriously, why does a game I've payed so much for and still subscribe to, look like a virus infected android application?????

You should make a poll @LEGENDARYYY. "Would you mind loading screen ads?"

I'd vote NO

It's not like I want it myself. But still a gazillion times better then 3x yellow text in different languages all over the screen at random.

Downloading addon..

The_Drexill

Sylvyr wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I just have to ask:

What is it about these messages that makes people so angry? Why is it this particular form of messaging that you find so hard to ignore? Or are we really just looking for reasons to complain about a completely innocuous practice?

Some might say it wrecks the immersion.
- How would you like it if you go to watch the new star wars movie coming out and in middle of a light sabre fight across the screen you see "POPCORN NOW HALF OFF COME N GET IT" in 5 different languages.

Some people don't like force fed advertising.
- Even if you "ignore" it as you say, just seeing it, or hearing it, causes our brain's neurons to fire and imprint the perceived message - kind of like when you hear a jingle and it sticks in your head. Some people don't want this garbage in their heads and are sick of getting it day in and day out.

Warning: Tin foil hat time
NEOrevarine, here's a little bit of the red pill for you, understand that companies market their products in order to survive and this is a -vital- function for their livelihood. Advertising and marketing has come a long way. These days it's not just about a catchy song in an ad, marketing involves science, math, psychology, sociology, statistics, and even biology. All designed to penetrate our shells and tell us what we need to spend money on. Some might call it a form of control, barraging us from all angles. Instead of being born and feeding machines electricity like in the matrix, contemporary analogy is that we, since the time we are conceived, we are seen as by companies as kind of like cows that can be milked over and over again in order to feed companies money they need to survive until the day we die and owe hospitals and funeral homes money even after we are dead. Not all companies are like this, there are some that are "socially responsible" here and there, but far from the norm.

I play this game as my form of taking the blue pill. Last thing I want to see in my matrix is a reminder of what the real world is about.

Anyways, that's just me, maybe others can offer some insight as to why this seemingly trivial text pop up is so distressing.

This x1000

lathbury

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

how did the community force the model?

Ser Lobo

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

I lived through all of SWG's nightmares. What people conveniently forgot is just how many people were on the forums asking for classes, asking for everyone to be Jedi, asking for fewer skills because they were too confusing, etc, etc. And when we got NGE, they flipped.

You watch the players and they think they know better. And they hate it in the end when you give them what they want, because it's an old trope, but it's all about them wanting 'perfect', but not realistic.

Ser Lobo

lathbury wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

how did the community force the model?

IF you watched the forums for the past year plus (including into beta), than you'd understand just how often and loudly it was requested or threatened that the game had to be free-to-play.

It doesn't take a rocket scientest to know that a subscription model wouldn't have worked as well on consoles. But to say that the community, as a general whole, didn't push and force this issue into ZOS's face? That would be provably wrong.

P3ZZL3

TD5160_ESO wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

Don't speak for everyone. I am not disappointed at all. Seriously, this fan base has some the most entitled group of fans I have met. Not all, but definitely a lot.

I would like to clearly state I am by no means "entitled". I thought that was obvious from some of my responses throughout this post.

The point is NOT about the advertising. I understand, as do the vast majority, that Advertising is now something ZoS have to do to promote the in-store items to justify their existence. Granted a shame as they could have kept it Sub Based, but the powers that be (investors) have insisted a larger return and thus this is the action.

What I DO disagree with, is HOW they have done it. And this is what almost everyone is saying. Almost everyone in this thread will agree we need to support ZoS in keeping the game alive. However, it's the WAY they are doing it.

A small amount of community discussion would have meant this would have never happened and a solution would have been found without "Bright yellow text across the front of your screen". Something better. Simpler. Yet still getting the same, arguably more, advertising for people to go buy the Senche.

This is the point of this thread. It's about the HOW it's been done. Not that it is.

Lionxoft

Ser Lobo

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

TD5160_ESO wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

Don't speak for everyone. I am not disappointed at all. Seriously, this fan base has some the most entitled group of fans I have met. Not all, but definitely a lot.

I would like to clearly state I am by no means "entitled". I thought that was obvious from some of my responses throughout this post.

The point is NOT about the advertising. I understand, as do the vast majority, that Advertising is now something ZoS have to do to promote the in-store items to justify their existence. Granted a shame as they could have kept it Sub Based, but the powers that be (investors) have insisted a larger return and thus this is the action.

What I DO disagree with, is HOW they have done it. And this is what almost everyone is saying. Almost everyone in this thread will agree we need to support ZoS in keeping the game alive. However, it's the WAY they are doing it.

A small amount of community discussion would have meant this would have never happened and a solution would have been found without "Bright yellow text across the front of your screen". Something better. Simpler. Yet still getting the same, arguably more, advertising for people to go buy the Senche.

This is the point of this thread. It's about the HOW it's been done. Not that it is.

Well, if that's the case, than sure ... I disagree with popping it up as a system message.

Of course, I disagree with anything except server shut-downs being used in that space. I think the chat box is a much better place for those types of messages.

SteveCampsOut

@ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

So I've now seen it twice today! Once on EU around noon and just now again on NA!

ArcanusMagus

I just saw the messages flash across my screen in Chillrend. ZOS, STOP THIS. What happened to once per day, too?

bosmern_ESO

If you are paying a sub, you shouldn't be seeing these messages in game.

Maudieu

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/once

Learn it.

Khaer

Doesn't the message in the launcher, and at the login screen, cover the need to let everyone know about the promotion? The messages in-game are just overkill and clearly annoying to many.

djnapstyb14_ESO

Khaer wrote: »

Doesn't the message in the launcher, and at the login screen, cover the need to let everyone know about the promotion? The messages in-game are just overkill and clearly annoying to many.

i never use the launcher. only to update

jkemmery

It is a little annoying and distracting when you are in the middle of a battle and big yellow text pops up, where you cannot possibly ignore it, and you're like "WTF was THAT?"

And I BOUGHT one of them!

Aerieth

Agreed. We don't need to see this in game. Having it on the launcher is more than enough. Don't mind if you have a news page on the Crown Store in addition to what it already has, but please no server wide ads.

newtinmpls

Just a little bit ago, I and my spouse/gaming partner (BTW the characters we were playing just exchanged rings of Mara earlier this evening ... from the Imperial edition purchase .. slow courtship)

Um anyway...

So we are in the middle of combat. I'm the tank, and what we thought was a simple battle in a lowbie area turns out to be a spawnfest (seriously it was kind of freaky how many of these supernal types were showing up - I was expecting 1, 2, 3 and done - but no, they just kept coming).

Then something flashes across the middle of the screen and my spouse (healer/templar) is shocked and distracted and wants to know what the heck was that - and did I see it.

Sure did.



Not just breaking immersion.

Had we not been over-leveled for the area (we were going back to make sure we had all the places on the map explored) this would have gotten both our characters killed.

Okay so maybe that's not such a big deal in the Daggerfall Covenant. But what if next time it happens in a delve in the middle of Cyrodiil?

We both subscribe. We both have two accounts. Seriously... we are already buying what we want.

Divad Zarn

That's where we heading with game, great

pugyourself

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

how did the community force the model?

IF you watched the forums for the past year plus (including into beta), than you'd understand just how often and loudly it was requested or threatened that the game had to be free-to-play.

It doesn't take a rocket scientest to know that a subscription model wouldn't have worked as well on consoles. But to say that the community, as a general whole, didn't push and force this issue into ZOS's face? That would be provably wrong.

Most people who were calling for F2P did so with the caveat that"a game with this many bugs and so little new content should be F2P". They didn't just say, "hey this awesome game has no bugs and I can't keep up with all the new content but it should be F2P". They were essentially begging ZOS to fix the bugs and add new content...they were not wanting an F2P game.

At the very least, subs should be able to opt-out of cross-screen ads.

MarRyb

ZO$ we are paying for you to develop a game with no bugs with promised content extensions. DO NOT waste your time on useless stuff like ugly yellow promotions.

You are bunch of clever (I hope) ppl who strive to deliver the best immersion for their playerbase. So of you need ads like this do it in a more creative manner or refrain completely of using it. I know that there was a time when annoying advertising was the powerfull tool to get your customers in, but this time is past.

Go and hunt new players outside of the game because your game marketing for new players outside the game literally sucks and don't bother us, PLAYING customers, with this yellow crap!

cheers

Gidorick

TD5160_ESO wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

Don't speak for everyone. I am not disappointed at all. Seriously, this fanbase has some the most entitled group of fans I have met. Not all, but definitely a lot.

You could have stopped at the not being disappointed... you didn't have to insult us.

just sayin'.

jeevin

pugyourself wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

how did the community force the model?

IF you watched the forums for the past year plus (including into beta), than you'd understand just how often and loudly it was requested or threatened that the game had to be free-to-play.

It doesn't take a rocket scientest to know that a subscription model wouldn't have worked as well on consoles. But to say that the community, as a general whole, didn't push and force this issue into ZOS's face? That would be provably wrong.

Most people who were calling for F2P did so with the caveat that"a game with this many bugs and so little new content should be F2P". They didn't just say, "hey this awesome game has no bugs and I can't keep up with all the new content but it should be F2P". They were essentially begging ZOS to fix the bugs and add new content...they were not wanting an F2P game.

At the very least, subs should be able to opt-out of cross-screen ads.

Agree with @pugyourself here. The consensus was generally that the game was not of the quality that warranted a sub and not that players were not prepared to pay the sub price. Instead of getting the game on track Zos has resorted to pathetic cash grab antics and here we are.

Ser Lobo

pugyourself wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I understand that, now that you've gone buy-to-play and gotten rid of your subscription service, you are going to have to use other methods in order to garner enough money to make this game profitable.

I wish you didn't have to do it, Zenimax, but I understand that it is only one part of your plan to fulfill so many of your customers other, more important wish ... to play for free.

Good luck, ZOS, and don't worry. You're not bothering me. I expected that you'd have to do this when you capitulated to all the losers who thought F2P and B2P was superior to sub-based gaming.

I'll try and keep my sub running just to give you a little extra support, and let you know without a doubt that you are appreciated.

Nice to find someone in the forum who think that way

It's as simple as that.

The community forced a model and now are not satisfied, ironic ...

Anyway, it's good to see that there are those who understand the why of things and continue to give its support.

how did the community force the model?

IF you watched the forums for the past year plus (including into beta), than you'd understand just how often and loudly it was requested or threatened that the game had to be free-to-play.

It doesn't take a rocket scientest to know that a subscription model wouldn't have worked as well on consoles. But to say that the community, as a general whole, didn't push and force this issue into ZOS's face? That would be provably wrong.

Most people who were calling for F2P did so with the caveat that"a game with this many bugs and so little new content should be F2P". They didn't just say, "hey this awesome game has no bugs and I can't keep up with all the new content but it should be F2P". They were essentially begging ZOS to fix the bugs and add new content...they were not wanting an F2P game.

At the very least, subs should be able to opt-out of cross-screen ads.

I agree that if I'm subbed, ad's should be nixed.

That said, most people said the game should or would go F2P for a variety of reasons. Thus, most people called for F2P. The fact that each individual had different reasons is very true. But the audience as a whole wrote 'This game should be F2P' in the forum post header.

Getting into the reality of it, I don't think they had a choice. Launch the game on consoles (which I personally feel will do far better and gross more than PC ever could, since we're nearing the end of a decade where PC games did nothing but decline in popularity), and it almost HAD to be B2P or F2P. If I were being honest, they should have designed it that way from the beginning.

The lack of content, on the other hand, is no fault of the playerbase. Even Cryptic and PWE, who I sincerely dislike, has released a new zone at least once every six months, often more frequently than that. They are horrible with bug fixes and updating core systems, but great with their Zen store and free expansions.

ZOS focused on bug fixes and updated, ostensibly. And I can tell, I really can. There's a huge, positive difference between this game and this gam a year ago. But the problem with fixing a million starter quests, messed up skills and faulty mechanics, is that there are ALWAYS more, the player will always notice them, and you still leave your players starved for content.

So instead of ZOS making new zones, they fixed old features. They release one content for group end-game, and that got them hatred. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and they well know it.

Better in the long run to cut your losses, focus on the more profitable console venture, shift development resources into a production sprint to make a damn good console launch, and let the PC continue to field test and beta.

Smart for the company. Bad for the PC consumer, but I really do feel that it will be the console market (at least until Elder Scrolls VI comes out) that'll keep ZOS out of the red and get us some more real content. We'll probably see a new man/DLC by third quarter, or as late as christmas.