Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

Elijah_Crow

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

Raash

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

Thats funny, because in a way I think they actually did run out of buissness. They had to change the payment model to keep players around.
I believe that members choosing to sub will continoue to dwindle and that if console release wont do good we are in for a pretty rough ride with lots of changes.
They want us to buy stuff and they will let us know what is for sale in every way they can.

pugyourself

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

ZOS, I think you should test for a weekend once an hour at least.

You are continuing to work hard to advance the game, and we appreciate the hard work. When your existing community has an outcry, it's good to pay attention, but not always best to take it to heart. Remember many of them have their own best interests in mind, and not necessarily what is good for the survival of the game.

Do what you need to be successful as long as it doesn't significantly effect gameplay. This in my opinion is at most a minor annoyance for some and a pleasant reminder for others. If you can find a happy medium then great.

I will continue to renew my subscription and I just subscribed my brothers account as he has started playing again.

And boy, wouldn't it be great if those who did find it annoying had their choices respected?

Hmm. Fascinating concept.

And this does impact gameplay. Directly so - it's a distraction and an immersion. I can't think of a better example of something impacting gameplay short of actual performance issues.

Oh, wait. Those haven't been fixed yet, have they?

Please link your posts complaining to youtube for advertising. While your at it, what about all those emails you send to countless tv and radio stations complaining that you're going to stop listening or watching unless you get your way.

The hard truth is that ESO can embrace this monetization model and advertise occasionally to its players. Do you want to see the game continue? I do and I will support this kind of advertising to their customers. You are lucky they have chosen to limit it at all.

I agree that they should be able to advertise items, however I do think subs should be able to opt out as part of their sub.

Agobi

Raash wrote: »

....They want us to buy stuff and they will let us know what is for sale in every way they can.

And in doing so,they will lose out on any potential purchases I might have made

And judging by this thread I am not alone ....

EQBallzz

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

Nice straw man. The choice isn't between these system messages and SWTOR. There is ZERO need for them to flash these messages across the screen and annoy everyone. They have said countless times in the past that player immersion is a top priority. They have limited numerous *standard* MMO features because of immersion. Now suddenly that is thrown out the window to hawk trinkets in the crown shop? It's absurd. Oh and if you think ESO isn't heading in that direction regardless you are in denial.

This is also a two way street. They may sell a few crowns with ads but every time they annoy masses of people they will also lose subs. I'm sick of it and realize that this game isn't going to get better. They have shown that this is just going to continue and get worse. I have paid them a sub for over a year but no more. Not spending any more money on this game.

Elijah_Crow

EQBallzz wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

Nice straw man. The choice isn't between these system messages and SWTOR. There is ZERO need for them to flash these messages across the screen and annoy everyone. They have said countless times in the past that player immersion is a top priority. They have limited numerous *standard* MMO features because of immersion. Now suddenly that is thrown out the window to hawk trinkets in the crown shop? It's absurd. Oh and if you think ESO isn't heading in that direction regardless you are in denial.

This is also a two way street. They may sell a few crowns with ads but every time they annoy masses of people they will also lose subs. I'm sick of it and realize that this game isn't going to get better. They have shown that this is just going to continue and get worse. I have paid them a sub for over a year but no more. Not spending any more money on this game.

Your choice. Me, I just decided to collect every mount. Have to go purchase some crowns.

LameoveR

I think this announce of Senche-Leo must be in 3-5 hours interval, not once per day, to make shure that as much as possible players will see this.

WraithAzraiel

EQBallzz wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

Nice straw man. The choice isn't between these system messages and SWTOR. There is ZERO need for them to flash these messages across the screen and annoy everyone. They have said countless times in the past that player immersion is a top priority. They have limited numerous *standard* MMO features because of immersion. Now suddenly that is thrown out the window to hawk trinkets in the crown shop? It's absurd. Oh and if you think ESO isn't heading in that direction regardless you are in denial.

This is also a two way street. They may sell a few crowns with ads but every time they annoy masses of people they will also lose subs. I'm sick of it and realize that this game isn't going to get better. They have shown that this is just going to continue and get worse. I have paid them a sub for over a year but no more. Not spending any more money on this game.

Can I have your stuff?

Also, people keep tossing around terms like "straw man" and "ad homnonominominid" and the like and I don't think all of them have a grasp on what these terms actually mean.

Defintion from one of my text books. Beyond Feelings: A Guide to Critical Thinking by Vincent Ryan Ruggiero

"To commit the error of straw man is to put false words in someone else's mouth and then expose their falsity, conveniently forgetting that the other person never said them. To avoid this error, be scrupulously accurate in quoting or paraphrasing other people's words!"

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Takhistis

What is people's problem with one of twice seeing an ad for their own products quickly!????
It doesn't interfere with anything! My friend has it while tanking V dsa so u can't say it affects you by not being able to see what happens on screen ...

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

I agree compagnies have to make advertissements to survive, and I'm not against it at all, but it is the way it is presented that is completely BS in this case.

If you are reading a book, would you like to have random ads between the lines of the story your are reading?

If you are listening to music you've bought, would you like to have random ads breaking the clips you were currently listening into small bits?

It is the same for video games, you don't ruin the presentation of a product by slipping random ads into it. It is intrusive marketting and in worst case scenarios it can be considered as a form of harrassement...

I realy like a good ad, but I got sick tired of getting beated by those every day. It's the main reason I've stopped watching TV and listening to the radio and if I can't escape that while I'm playing video games anymore, I will just find another product that doesn't participate to such low practices!

EQBallzz

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Ugh, how nauseatingly sycophantic. You're a marketers wet dream. ZOS is a business, and like any business they need to please their customers. If they acted as arrogantly as you suggest they should, ignoring customer feedback because those peasants weren't grateful enough, they'd go out of business very quickly.

So ZOS listens to the loud minority on the forums and stops marketing to their players. Crown store sales are down, layoff's ensue and new management takes over and realizes changes are needed to be financially viable. They begin to add gear and lock boxes to the Crown Store. All loading screens are replaced with Crown Store loading screens. When you log in the Crown Store is open on your screen by default, items in the store become better than player crafted items...

ZOS is a business and if you want the game to continue as it is, an occasional system message about cosmetic items is what you should be embracing. The alternative you won't enjoy as much. It's amazing how short sighted people can be.

SWTOR anyone?

Nice straw man. The choice isn't between these system messages and SWTOR. There is ZERO need for them to flash these messages across the screen and annoy everyone. They have said countless times in the past that player immersion is a top priority. They have limited numerous *standard* MMO features because of immersion. Now suddenly that is thrown out the window to hawk trinkets in the crown shop? It's absurd. Oh and if you think ESO isn't heading in that direction regardless you are in denial.

This is also a two way street. They may sell a few crowns with ads but every time they annoy masses of people they will also lose subs. I'm sick of it and realize that this game isn't going to get better. They have shown that this is just going to continue and get worse. I have paid them a sub for over a year but no more. Not spending any more money on this game.

Can I have your stuff?

Also, people keep tossing around terms like "straw man" and "ad homnonominominid" and the like and I don't think all of them have a grasp on what these terms actually mean.

Defintion from one of my text books. Beyond Feelings: A Guide to Critical Thinking by Vincent Ryan Ruggiero

"To commit the error of straw man is to put false words in someone else's mouth and then expose their falsity, conveniently forgetting that the other person never said them. To avoid this error, be scrupulously accurate in quoting or paraphrasing other people's words!"

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Straw man defined (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man): A straw man is a common reference argument and is an informal fallacy based on false representation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

It's a straw man because he sets up his argument as if the choice is between these stupid ads or the game collapsing and becoming SWTOR. That is a false argument. Too bad for him most people are not ignorant or uninformed of the actual argument.

p.s. No you can't have my stuff. Go buy your stuff on the crown store with the rest of the unwashed masses who love paying money to a company who will in turn annoy them flashing ads across the screen and who will sell-out the game progression to the highest bidder. Have fun with that.

Tavore1138

It didn't ruin my day but it bugged the frelling heck out of me. I pay a sub anyway and am buying mounts and costumes already simply because they are sort of fun. But huge yellow messages in multiple languages while I play is more liable to stop me buying things out of obstinacy....

WraithAzraiel

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

It didn't ruin my day but it bugged the frelling heck out of me. I pay a sub anyway and am buying mounts and costumes already simply because they are sort of fun. But huge yellow messages in multiple languages while I play is more liable to stop me buying things out of obstinacy....

I kinda love you for properly using "frelling"

Praxxos

Huggernaut wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

Once per day, is 1 times too many PER DAY.

It's very simple,

- you make a sticky on the forums (which you have)
- you have a "featured" button in the store (which you do)
- Lastly, and this is the only other acceptable thing ... you make a splash screen when you login that adverts any current event running as well as as any current store promo, this should be able to be closed with a single click. DO NOT, make this show up when you close the game. This only angers people. When they want to quit, they want to quit.

those are the only 3 acceptable practices when it comes to advertising in online games.

learn em & love em folks.

Cheers.

Awww c'mon! why am i not getting advertising e-Mails oder in game Mail by ZOS??

j/k

Heromofo

Zeni i bought 5500 crowns to help support you and when the console version comes out i will sub for you. Just make sure that the subs atleast dont see this crap srsly just stop.

xeoneexb14_ESO

While I have not personally seen these ads, I can say for certainty it would be annoying as hell to me. To those whining about those complaining it's there, guess what some people get irritated with that kind of crap. I've played a few F2P games and I can without a doubt say it annoys me to death. I'm too busy focusing on immersing myself in a world, I don't want some ad crap ruining my immersion. It's not good marketing practice it's just invasive and judging by most of the posts I've read, no way i'm reading 8 full pages of the same arguments, I can definatly see this chasing people away. ZOS don't do this. You will just drive people away and your entire purpose FOR the Crown Store was to salvage this game.

Soulharvester

I can understand if its an actual model of an item, a real life item. But a digital item?

Also for those that do not know since apparently I was the last to know, the riding skills are all at zero! I am still ticked about that...

But yeah I agree with op, going to lose more than they take in if this keeps up.

SIN-X

All I can say is keep it up. For the 10-15% that are ok with it just be ready to QQ when the game completes it transition to the crap its about to become. If players don't want to see it they shouldn't have to and even though it isn't a major game breaker its the fact that the majority doesn't want it. After console launches and the numbers prove to be far less than ZO$ hoped for you will see more players leave and as the pc side loses a few players to console it will become even more of a "I don't see any reason to stay most my friends are gone". Add to that the players that will leave and there will be some when xp potions hit the store and the players that will leave if/when the vet rank changes are not handled well your only adding to convince ZO$ that its ok and enrage more players to the point of saying I want more from a game. This thread is a voice for those who don't want it so if your ok with it leave it alone ,stop trolling players who don't want it and pray EVERY night that somehow this game gets back to the initial product it was promised to be and becomes a blockbuster game based on SUBBED players and content and not just because it had solid sales.

Fenrlr

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

Ah only available one time, like the loyalty tiger?
But later senche puma right? or maybe cheetah? lol

Fenrlr

Just work on lag for now i beg you

Soulharvester

Reminds me of those going out of business sales lol, that seem to never go out of business

Elloa

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

Please, please, please we really do not want to have in game message flashing on our screen!

This will not make anyone want to buy the Senche mount. This will scare away good customers, loyal players that enjoy a classy and eleguant game. In game announces are cheezy, unpleasant, intrusive, anti-immersive, harrassing. Those kind of messages will have excactly the opposite effect than the one wished. Players will be pissed off instead of wanting to buy the mount. I assure you, it's NOT needed to attract customers.

I understand that it's important than Zenimax sell a maximum of Senche Mount possible, and I really wish you sell tons of them. But this is not the way to do. Words of mouth, and players buying it and then bragging about it with their guildies, that work a LOT better (several guildies buy the Senche Mount after my boyfriend bought his)

Count of your faithful community to spread the word rather than intrusive messages that will annoy everyone with a bit of selfrespect.

FooWasHere

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Your choice. Me, I just decided to collect every mount. Have to go purchase some crowns. [/quote]

Haha, I like the cut of your jib, @Elijah_Crow ! Thinking of it, I might fancy a new mount myself.

felinith66

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate to ZOS how they can and cannot market.

This...this is your complaint? You group are lucky they have more patience than I or I would have just ended your ability to play the game for approaching this with the kind of attitude the OP displayed.

Wow. Just wow. The Audacity to believe you can dictate what people can and cannot complain about.

You do realize that all you're doing is aggravating the issue and making people angrier at ZOS, right?

Onebitsoul

I haven't even seen this once.

lol

Garion

Onebitsoul wrote: »

I haven't even seen this once.

lol

Well you just missed it, because they did it again on the EU server five mins ago. Clearly they don't learn.

Tavore1138

Garion wrote: »

Onebitsoul wrote: »

I haven't even seen this once.

lol

Well you just missed it, because they did it again on the EU server five mins ago. Clearly they don't learn.

I imagine the devs & CS people are feeling cheap and dirty about the whole thing but the money people who dictate this sort of stuff generally have dumped morality on their road to the big office.

squidgod2000b14_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

You should change that plan.

Sinbaar

I couldn't care less if they do that kind of advertising. get over with.

SYKOZEN

Strangely enough I never saw such a warning. Even though, how can players get offended for some yellow characters appearing on the screen? If they want to advertise in-game, trust me this is way better than popping up a window and completely stop your fight/game. As long as that warning doesn't show every hour or so I'm good with it. Or maybe only show it once after logging in.