This game is so frustratingly easy, and I just can't take it anymore

Valymer

lihentian wrote: »

if you find at level content been too easy, you can always jump to map that are 10+ level higher then you. problem solved. and if you are caped, you could make a new character and jump to level 50 content with level one character.. hopefully that is challenging enough for your liking

Or you could just play another game...which makes a lot more sense than these suggestions.

Ysne58

For me, some things are easy, others are not. I'm not playing FOTM which does add to the challenge.

Willyoke

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

LucyferLightbringer

You've been making those whine threads for quite a while allready. Yes we get it you are super cool, game is super easy for you, you can play with both hands and one leg tied behind your back with monitor turned off, eyes covered and ears pluged, while writing whine threads with your free leg. This game is clearly not for you.

Betahkiin

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You did not do alone scaling group dungeons.

You did not do Craglorn alone.

Basically you did nothing of the specific content for a high challenge.

And you complain that the level of challenge of the game is ridiculously low?

It is assumed that the content of the public world and dungeons are under challenge since they are designed to follow the plot of stories and is the beginning of the progression of a character.

You wanna content with veteran level difficulty scattered around the game world?

Where cross a map to collect resources to profession can take one month?

Or complete a chain mission in world take 3 months?

The difficulty of the world is adapted to be resistant but also allow mobility.

The group dungeons also, because the groups that come are spontaneous and informal, there is no commitment at a time are 10 players, at the end of one minute is 2 or you alone.

If a public dungeon has high difficulty for single player and enter 20?

If a public dungeon has high difficulty, for 20 players, and enter one?

If the world NPC is a high difficult challenge for a single player and arrive 10 players in the zone?

And if the NPC world are high challenge for groups of 10 players and I'm alone?

That meant the specific events are in areas of veteran level and closed dungeons (+).

Obviously you did not get to the level where you can check the challenge alone and as you dare to prejudge the quality of the game and those who think differently.

No more words.

mitchav66

Dude you got to understand that this is just the difficulty of elder scrolls games. I had Skyrim on the highest difficulty and found no challenge as well. Its suppose to be more of an immersion type game I think, not one that is supposed to be super challenging. Especially leveling from 1-50 at least.

Elephant42

@Willyoke I went to the trouble of checking your post history - you have 5 threads of which 3 are of the "game too easy" ilk - I have to say that this smells very much like e-peen swelling to me...

However I will give you the benefit of the doubt, assume that you are genuine in your antgonism and address this part of your post on the off chance that others might be thinking the same way as you in this respect:

Willyoke wrote: »

-snip-I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.-snip-

If you or anyone else thinks that ZOS pay anything but token attention to the forums when balancing the difficulty, you are almost certainly deluding yourselves. This is a server based MMO - ZOS developers have access to vast amounts of telemetry - they know every little detail about every kill (and player death), and you can bet your boots that any changes to the difficulty were based around what they saw in their telemetry and not on what they read in this and other forums.

I imagine the meeting went something like this:
"Holy crap look at the figures for Doshia - x% of people tried to kill her more than y times and then gave up. What's worse is that z% of those who couldn't kill her cancelled their subscriptions on the same day. We need to nerf her big time and we need to do it now".

Preyfar

I normally wouldn't comment on a thread like this... but I have to agree. There's so little risk, and every boss has become a cakewalk. I don't feel like a single enemy in the game (vet dungeons and trials aside) poses a remote threat. It's sad how easily they all go down. It's far, far too easy now.

Atirez

Betahkiin wrote: »

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You did not do alone scaling group dungeons.

You did not do Craglorn alone.

Basically you did nothing of the specific content for a high challenge.

And you complain that the level of challenge of the game is ridiculously low?

It is assumed that the content of the public world and dungeons are under challenge since they are designed to follow the plot of stories and is the beginning of the progression of a character.

You wanna content with veteran level difficulty scattered around the game world?

Where cross a map to collect resources to profession can take one month?

Or complete a chain mission in world take 3 months?

The difficulty of the world is adapted to be resistant but also allow mobility.

The group dungeons also, because the groups that come are spontaneous and informal, there is no commitment at a time are 10 players, at the end of one minute is 2 or you alone.

If a public dungeon has high difficulty for single player and enter 20?

If a public dungeon has high difficulty, for 20 players, and enter one?

If the world NPC is a high difficult challenge for a single player and arrive 10 players in the zone?

And if the NPC world are high challenge for groups of 10 players and I'm alone?

That meant the specific events are in areas of veteran level and closed dungeons (+).

Obviously you did not get to the level where you can check the challenge alone and as you dare to prejudge the quality of the game and those who think differently.

No more words.

Telling someone to go off and defeat higher level content is not a fix to an issue I have also experienced. Why should I or anyone else have to skip content to get to higher levelled areas or wait until my character is grinding vet levels to do Craglorn?

I played this game in beta and can tell you, it is far more fulfilling to struggle and then achieve, then to achieve simply. In the beginning this games difficulty was a level which provided that. Now it is a cakewalk. Speaking to NPC's was a welcome respite now it is a pointless skipable barrier to the next group of may-as-well-not-be-there mobs.

Before I stopped playing a few months ago, my Brother, finished the main quest line and died repeatedly fighting Molag Bal. When I completed the main story line a month ago I destroyed him in minutes. I did not nearly die, I did not break a sweat. For me this was a massive anti-climax to a story I had enjoyed, a single clink on a triangle when expecting an orchestral crescendo.

Why bother having the starter area tell you how to block, heavy attack, knock down when you wont need to use these mechanisms in the game?

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Huh too easy. Yes with FOTM is easy.

But ofc long gone the days of May-June 2014 when a single battle at VR (Stonefalls, etc) areas with trash mobs in the open space, needed a group, if you weren't a DK.

Shunravi

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Huh too easy. Yes with FOTM is easy.

But ofc long gone the days of May-June 2014 when a single battle at VR (Stonefalls, etc) areas with trash mobs in the open space, needed a group, if you weren't a DK.

No.no you didn't.

It was easily done with non fotm builds and classes. All you needed was battle awareness and understanding of mechanics.

Alphashado

The same handful of people complaining the game is too easy will be on this very same forum complaining the game is too dead if difficulty is increased, while creating colorful alternative excuses why the game is dead, rather than acknowledging that the reason the game is now dead is due to frustrated new and casual players leaving the game.

Every single MMO has "game is too easy" threads.

WoW - Game is too easy http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10357946387

Rift - Game is too easy http://forums.riftgame.com/game-discussions/dungeons-raids/336618-rift-too-easy.html

swtor - Game is too easy http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1047831-Difficulty-in-SWTOR-Disappointing

Neverwinter - http://steamcommunity.com/app/109600/discussions/0/630802344765143668/

EQ2 - https://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/index.php?threads/eq2-getting-too-easy.518498/

GW2 - http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/68612-dont-you-think-the-game-difficulty-is-way-too-easy/

Archeage - http://steamcommunity.com/app/304030/discussions/0/35219681446143438/

Tera - https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/player-vs-environment/topics/Is-Tera-Too-Easy-68297

lotro - https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?542842-LOTRO-is-too-easy

FFIV - http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1ordj3/is_it_me_or_is_it_almost_too_easy/

Wildstar - http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/view/forums/thread/387655/Too-Easy.html

EVE - http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3699490

Runescape - http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1554027-runescape-is-becoming-too-easy/

DCU - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/950873-dc-universe-online/59969839

DDO - https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/361676-DDO-is-getting-too-easy?s=f88695eef86c6945ae48f27414d3d594

STO - http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=802371

OK I just got tired of looking. I'm sure you get the point. There aren't very many MMOs designed to be uber challenging from front to back. MOST of them, including ESO have content of all difficulties to be found somewhere in the game. It's just smart business. None of these games are called "Epic epeen stroking super challenge online" for a reason.

The one AAA MMO that I did not find a "too easy" thread on was Aion. Perhaps if you are bored with the challenge level of all these other games, Aion is for you.

MercyKilling

Sentinel wrote: »

Only way I can think that this could work is by reducing the players own stats in comparison with the environment. You cannot change the environment since it's an MMO. I'm also wondering how that other MMO had worked with the difficulty settings. They could take a good look at that.

Everything would have to be player centered. Higher difficulty might mean a decrease in stats ranging from little to massive, and to adjust the reward scenario, a buff could be applied for XP gain with certain difficulties. Of course this would have to be adjusted just right to make it possible and not an incentive to increase difficulty just to grind..

On another note, rewards tend to be instanced and thus could be affected by a difficulty slider as well.

Well, the MMO I'm using as an example is City of Heroes. It worked just fine with the adjustable difficulty.
Fairly certain it would require adding instanced content to the game, or changing it fundamentally to instanced missions/quests.

More to the point, I'm trying to advocate not whinging about how easy or hard things are and instead turn that energy towards pushing for adjustable difficulty levels, however that might be accomplished. I'm no programmer, but I do know it worked well back then and in that game.

Sensesfail13

I had a templar join a Vet DC group with my group yesterday with this same argument. His first comments were "Im just returning this content is all way too easy" and " They nerfed these dungeons I have to use one spell to heal the entire thing, it was much harder when the game first came out".... not long after starting the dungeon we found out just how wrong he was.
First off, his dps sucked... Jesus Beam is not face-roll apply here at 100% in every instance.
Second, He stood in EVERY red circle (loved the flames shooting from the first boss lolz).
Third, had NO clue how to stand in healing springs during the ground pound stage on the second boss of the dungeon.
Now this guy just made himself look bad and wouldnt take any constructive criticism when it game to playing his character, however, anybody with this argument is an egotistical troll. All content is different for different people and Im glad you have "mastered" everything.
So here is a suggestion, GO PLAY DARK SOULS, LORDS OF THE FALLEN, and BLOODBORNE if you want a challenge dont bother other people. Id prefer to say something nastier but they will probably take the whole comment away so just faceroll yourself away from the game.

Wolfshead

Willyoke wrote: »

I'm fed up of playing a game, where I even dumbing myself down won't give me the challenge that I seek. After Unlimited was released, I thought I'd just continue playing free for a while, and then re-sub, once they sort out the easiness of the game. This isn't going to happen, and I don't want to waste my time or money on a game that literally presents not a single challenge. I can't even imagine how much easier this game would be if I were to group up. My 4-year-old niece would even have no trouble playing this.

It's a damn shame, because I really enjoyed everything else about the game, but there's absolutely no point in me even using armour or powerful weapons if they just exacerbate this problem. I'm tired of using starter gear, or even no gear, and selling new gear.

I'm not asking for ZOS to bump up the difficulty to be as challenging as Dark Souls (although, I'd like that), and then make the game a pain for those who don't want really tough challenges, I just want to have to use my brain while playing, and actually try-hard to beat the enemies that are supposed to be tough... or at least balance the choice for those who want a higher difficulty, and those who want it as it is.

And before you say anything, about how I can do all kinds of methods to make the game harder, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING, AND I'M TIRED OF IT MAKING NO DIFFERENCE! I shouldn't even have to go through extreme lengths to make the game harder!

I'm referring to PVE. PVP is actually fantastic, but I think most of you may agree that around 95% of this game is PVE...

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Demands / Threats]

If you think ESO is easy and dumb so much you should really play WoW there we can talk about easy and dumb down game is it make really boring up to end of TBC expansion WoW was fun game to play but now it so boring that you get so treid off game that just want vomit all over it. But i guess after you lvl up few alt in ESO it will become boring as well.

Razzak

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You are not alone in thinking like that. I am not about to quit ESO again, but this lack of challenge or difficulty, could drive me away in the next few weeks, if nothing changes at Vet levels.

Alphashado

Razzak wrote: »

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You are not alone in thinking like that. I am not about to quit ESO again, but this lack of challenge or difficulty, could drive me away in the next few weeks, if nothing changes at Vet levels.

You have a 5 star forum rank and you don't even have a VR character?.... and you are suggesting the game is too easy?....Interesting.

seanvwolf

Valencer wrote: »

All the solo PvE stuff is pretty easy now.

Every single well-known somewhat challenging boss fight in the game has been nerfed at some point. Gutstripper, Doshia, Mannimarco...
The VR zones have also been nerfed to a state where I can't remember the last time I ever died in those. Probably somewhere before they nerfed them. They used to give me a run for my money now and then the way they were at launch.

I guess the solo stuff just has to be *that* accessible.

When doing PvE outside group instances, I now just try to challenge myself by doing dark anchors and public dungeons on my own, which isnt actually that hard anymore either. I'm sure it's partly due to getting better at the game, but dark anchors sure feel a lot easier.

Actually Gutstripper, Doshia and Mannimarco were really easy when I started playing since before official launch. Doshia only gave a problem for particular builds. I tested this as I fought against her with 4 different classes and had no problem with 2 of the class builds but was impossible with the 2 other class builds and I was 2 levels higher in all instances.

Gutstripper has always been easy for me, as long as you know to sidestep and avoid the aoe.

Mannimarco, i was half asleep when I beat him the first time and was also half asleep when I beat him the second time. The game's difficulty has always been toward the unchallenging side, with exception of a very few group based content (undaunted pledges when they first came out and no one had a strategy solidified, for example). End game trials can be a bear, even with a known and practiced strategy.

I don't mean to brag and isn't supposed to be my attempt at it. The mechanisms of the boss fights in all games don't really allow for challenge once you recognize the programmed cues (for instance Dark Souls butt stabbing for long but unchallenging boss content). This doesn't mean I don't find the game fun. If they had a way to make the bosses progressively more difficult or progressively more easy depending on how many times you completed it successfully against how many attempts and averaged it out in group, plus include a lot more environmental dangers and interactibles to change the course of the fight, I think it would do the content in this game a world of wonders.

aco5712

all mobs need a 30-50% increase in health/damage/resistances. When you can solo an entire delve in one go, you know the game is a joke let alne grouping. Vet content back at release is how the game should be not this horror. After a long day in pvp where i actually need to think i do my undaunted daily because its so easy that it helps me relax lol.

Shunravi

Alphashado wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You are not alone in thinking like that. I am not about to quit ESO again, but this lack of challenge or difficulty, could drive me away in the next few weeks, if nothing changes at Vet levels.

You have a 5 star forum rank and you don't even have a VR character?.... and you are suggesting the game is too easy?....Interesting.

Well, that's kinda the point isn't it?

Lorkhan

if you think you are good, try pvp.
if you can kill other players easily, make some videos and be famous.

Alphashado

Shunravi wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You are not alone in thinking like that. I am not about to quit ESO again, but this lack of challenge or difficulty, could drive me away in the next few weeks, if nothing changes at Vet levels.

You have a 5 star forum rank and you don't even have a VR character?.... and you are suggesting the game is too easy?....Interesting.

Well, that's kinda the point isn't it?

1-50 is content designed for new players that don't know the game yet. People in this thread and all the other threads have supplied plenty of places where you can find a challenge beyond level 50. Even below level 50 you can easily find a challenge by soloing Dolmen/Public Dungeons/Zone bosses.

1-50 quest mobs are for newbs. It's silly to judge any kind of overall difficulty on 1-50 content. Especially if it's not your first time through it.

Valije

Uhmm... I don't think the game is too difficult and got to VR10 solo until I found a nice guild. Not too hard, but not too easy either. VR levels were harder the first months because people complained about how hard they were but I don't think they were impossible.

Now I am leveling a different char and the difficult with this one is different, more related to the toon type than the game dificulty itself.

What kind of toon do you use? Templar, sorc, NB or DK?

Bane_of_Fringe

Alright boss, time to go solo those vet dungeons. Time to scale up the difficulty, don't you think?

AhPook_Is_Here

I was thinking about beating gold naked. There should be an achievement for that with the title "Naked Gold"

mhmfrogub17_ESO

If you want to leave the game then leave, it's that easy, don't whine about it.

It's funny that people whine about this or that but none of them have fully played the game to get all the achievements, they basically only look at one or a few aspects and when those don't meet their desires they whine and leave.

indigoblades

Willyoke wrote: »

I'm fed up of playing a game, where I even dumbing myself down won't give me the challenge that I seek. After Unlimited was released, I thought I'd just continue playing free for a while, and then re-sub, once they sort out the easiness of the game. This isn't going to happen, and I don't want to waste my time or money on a game that literally presents not a single challenge. I can't even imagine how much easier this game would be if I were to group up. My 4-year-old niece would even have no trouble playing this.

It's a damn shame, because I really enjoyed everything else about the game, but there's absolutely no point in me even using armour or powerful weapons if they just exacerbate this problem. I'm tired of using starter gear, or even no gear, and selling new gear.

I'm not asking for ZOS to bump up the difficulty to be as challenging as Dark Souls (although, I'd like that), and then make the game a pain for those who don't want really tough challenges, I just want to have to use my brain while playing, and actually try-hard to beat the enemies that are supposed to be tough... or at least balance the choice for those who want a higher difficulty, and those who want it as it is.

And before you say anything, about how I can do all kinds of methods to make the game harder, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING, AND I'M TIRED OF IT MAKING NO DIFFERENCE! I shouldn't even have to go through extreme lengths to make the game harder!

I'm referring to PVE. PVP is actually fantastic, but I think most of you may agree that around 95% of this game is PVE...

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Demands / Threats]

I kinda agree it is VERY easy and super trivially easy in game where most group ... me i usually go do content levels above my level to fix that on my alts and solo things that are supposed to be group content. Later i go back and do stuff that rewards skill points more as a grind than an emersive thing.

I don't really enjoy most group play except when grouped with a few close friends. Plus i feel all content except vet dungs & trials are trivially easy when grouped but thats ok because when i group i am usually grinding for champ points or undaunted leveling. Most vet dung are not so much hard as they are u need to watch a youtube vid or get someone to tell u the trick to beating it..... its not that i like grinding but the champ system kinda makes that a requirement. Its either quit or grind for champ points and if i am gonna grind i want to kill fast.

At vr14 i often go fight mobs in Crag in single target pvp build also... its really to hone and test my pvp skills ... it make the mobs tough... those same mobs would be trival with more AOE skills. Or i will have a build optimized for speed killing mobs to gain champ points the fastest when in pure grind mode.

Shunravi

Alphashado wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

Willyoke wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

I can not shake the feeling of seeing this as an attempt to spread your discomfort to others...

I understand what you're talking about solo PVE content, and that you already have VR14.

You could end all non-public (+) dungeons alone?

You could do all the content found in Craglorn alone?

If the answer is yes:

- You are using addons?

- You used character creation and combat strategies guidelines?

- Equipping your character, you get it all alone or in groups?

- You created your own equipment?

- How did you do to level up professions and get the materials?

- How did you get the whole experience to level up to VR14 and how long it took to you?

- Your frustration is with a single class or you tried them all?

- Your frustration is with a single line of skills, or you tried them all?

I personally find the right level of challenge for solo world and public dungeon PvE.

World missions and public dungeons have difficulty level needed to level up following the plot of the stories and gradually equipping.

The closed dungeons have a high level of difficulty for those coming from questing and public dungeons.

Craglorn, has contents that to do it alone represent a big challenge or may become impossible.

I am VR5 equipped in world missions and public dungeons, I find it impossible at the present completing the scaled group dungeons in solo and Craglorn is impossible for me alone.

I still have much to do in terms of different professions, lines skill, class, race and achievements.

On the other hand, seems to me an insult from you start a topic suggesting that those they disagree with your stance is below a 4 year old child.

It is a very poor strategy to dismiss anyone looking contradict you subjecting to prior mocks comparing ages.

For my part, there is nothing productive than having taken a decision like leaving the game, you come to the forum to spread your frustration to others and make fun of those who are not your apparent skill level.

Bad move...

I came here to spread my frustration, as this is a forum. I can make this type of thread if I want to. I raised some points, and explained why I'm leaving.

I don't mean to insult you with my 4-year-old comment. It's just my way to emphasise just how easy this game is. I'm not making fun of anyone... if areas that are aimed at my level, or areas that are HIGHER than my level, can be defeated while I'm naked, then something is DEFINITELY wrong. I once skipped to an area, and fought a troll that was almost 20 levels higher than me, and I had some strong gear on, and had to try damn hard to kill it, but I KILLED IT, which is darn crazy! This is the type of stuff I want to tell and spread. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

I haven't got to the veteran content yet, but everything I've played so far, over my dozens and dozens of hours spent playing this game, and not a single enemy giving me a challenge, unless I challenge specific world bosses alone, has made me leave this game. And I must add, this is one of the best games I've ever played, but the difficulty just repels me with boredom. I'm letting everyone know what I think of this game, before I leave, and in hope that more threads like this are made, so that ZOS will realise something is wrong.

I've tried almost everything in this game, and the only time I craft things is to craft lower level gear, to give myself a challenge. I only sell runes, because they're pointless to use; they'll only make the game easier for me.

I play DK and Nightblade. I don't need to play, let's say, a sorcerer, to see if the game gets harder. I'm still going to be given the same gear, and weapons, and told to kill the same level of enemies. Just to add, I don't even use my tanky spells, unless I fight world bosses or something.

I don't group.

The only addon I use is my palomino. I would love to buy more addons, but not until (if it does) the game gets harder.

I've used no guides or anything in this game.

I sometimes think to just keep playing, to get to the veteran content, but then I just realise (for me) that it's not worth it. I see other vets saying that the vet content is too easy. I'm level 30, and I know that's not so far into the game, but I've still gone through many areas, and not one single time did I feel challenged, other than doing stupid, crazy things alone, like fighting an anchor or world bosses. I shouldn't have to rush through the main part of the game, just to get to the veteran areas, which MAY be challenging. It's just not enough.

You are not alone in thinking like that. I am not about to quit ESO again, but this lack of challenge or difficulty, could drive me away in the next few weeks, if nothing changes at Vet levels.

You have a 5 star forum rank and you don't even have a VR character?.... and you are suggesting the game is too easy?....Interesting.

Well, that's kinda the point isn't it?

1-50 is content designed for new players that don't know the game yet. People in this thread and all the other threads have supplied plenty of places where you can find a challenge.

1-50 quest mobs are for newbs. It's silly to judge any kind of overall difficulty on 1-50 content. Especially if it's not your first time through it.

I don't disagree, never have. The only thing I've complained about is an insufficient learning curve.

I find most, if not all, of those 'suggestions' insulting and degrading. That, or I am already actively doing what they suggest.

I soloed the pre nerf veteran zones with a hybrid 2h/bow nightblade. I had no sets, and my gear was broken half the time. (OH GLORIOUS EPEEN! fml...) I thought it was easy enough then and was genuinely shocked by peoples complaints. But they nerfed it. That was supposed to be the 50+ challenging content. That's what I base any asessments I have around. They even had a rather funny explanation of why they had given vet such 'difficulty' when they ended up nerfing it. But I don't really care about the difficulty. If I want more chalenge, I have plenty of options in other games. Just not this one.

King Bozo

Willyoke wrote: »

Haqikah wrote: »

@llyoke : while solo content is indeed quite solo-able, did you try the group dungeons, Trials or other end game stuff?

No end game stuff, yet. I know that group dungeons can present a challenge, but I'm a lone wolf!

Then you dont get the point of end game content if you dont group. Maybe this game is not for you

bluxwaverwb17_ESO

it was almost impossible to progress valor levels solo, that's why it was nerfed. I'm glad they did it I couldn't progress