Clarification regarding experience gain within Veteran Ranks

GunemCleric

Maverick827 wrote: »

The sad part is, there's a bug that prevents the AD main quest from continuing, so I can't even get to my third faction zone to continue leveling even at the slower pace.

Many of us have been there. First time I went to finish the main story I had to first learn acrobatics (one of the sconces was bugged and you basically had to run jump off the platform turn to right and shot the sconce before dropping too far, would have otherwise been funny to see 20+ naked players jumping into the abyss over and over and over, personally it took 2 agonizing, frustrating, painful, borderline-rage filled hours just to complete as I had just switched to a mouse again after many years for console play) followed by defeating Malog Bal after having to do the final quest not once, or twice, but three times to actually finish the game.

I suggest to stop what you are doing and go collect Alchemy ingredients or farm for Dwarven motifs (be sure to disable auto-loot and only take motifs from duemor ruins or you will get the empty everything bug)

Cazic

I really wish ZoS would just step in here and at least talk to us about this. Isn't that what the Developer Discussion forum is for?

Nebthet78

Cazic wrote: »

I really wish ZoS would just step in here and at least talk to us about this. Isn't that what the Developer Discussion forum is for?

Why bother? They are just going to lie to us some more.

Case in point. It was told to us that patch 1.5.3 would fix the XP bug.. it was released and nothing happened, and there wasn't anything about it in the patch notes.

My confidence in this company no longer exists.

GunemCleric

Cazic wrote: »

I really wish ZoS would just step in here and at least talk to us about this. Isn't that what the Developer Discussion forum is for?

History has shown they will will wait until the frustration escalates in this tread until one or more violate the TOS, then use that as a reason severely moderate the thread along with some vacuous comment to the effect of "working on it" along with "closing thread" and "see <insert new less negative but semi-related thread> for further discussion"

Also, they are apparently posting on reddit too, so maybe they found a thread there that was easier to address

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WraithAzraiel

SNAFUBAR

I really do love this game and what this company has provided so far, but seriously they not only dropped the ball on this one, they kicked it into the neighbor's yard.

And not just any neighbor - I'm talking about that neighbor what if something goes into said yard, it's better to take it as an acceptable loss and go buy a new one of whatever that something was than even think about attempting to wander over and retrieve said item.

THAT neighbor.

Maverick827

GunemCleric wrote: »

I suggest to stop what you are doing and go collect Alchemy ingredients or farm for Dwarven motifs (be sure to disable auto-loot and only take motifs from duemor ruins or you will get the empty everything bug)

What's the bug, exactly? I have Skyshards and Lorebooks I can hunt in the meantime, though I could definitely see the bug still not being resolved, so I might farm up some Motifs as well.

Ysne58

I'll check again today, but the last quest I turned in at VR2 was about 400xp, the same as the mobs I've been fighting. Might have changed today, we will see.

GunemCleric

if you loot all the containers in a Dwemer ruin then every Dwemer, everywhere, will contain containers (worse case), best case will be ~95% of containers will be empty.

To put another way, if you autoloot all of the urns and pots in Dwemer ruin, then all other Dwemer ruins will have 0-5% of the urns/pots full.

To make it worse, if you group with someone and they auto loot, then you will also be affected (i think you get it to lesser degree if you go through with a random without grouping)

Ysne58

One thing that amazes me is no staff have said a word in this thread since it was started. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ could we please have some feedback?

Was there a mistake in the math? Or was it really intended that people only get 1/2 a level for doing everything in a zone? Before 1.5 we were getting slightly over 1 level for completing a zone.

Nebthet78

Ysne58 wrote: »

One thing that amazes me is no staff have said a word in this thread since it was started. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ could we please have some feedback?

Was there a mistake in the math? Or was it really intended that people only get 1/2 a level for doing everything in a zone? Before 1.5 we were getting slightly over 1 level for completing a zone.

I don't know why they bother to have this forum if they are just going to go to reddit to post updates.

By ignoring their player base here, it just makes them look more and more unprofessional.

thorntk421

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We hope this explanation helps a bit, but please don't hesitate to let us know if you have any remaining questions.

We have SEVEN PAGES worth of questions and, not a word from anyone at ZOS!

Rosveen

thorntk421 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We hope this explanation helps a bit, but please don't hesitate to let us know if you have any remaining questions.

We have SEVEN PAGES worth of question and, not word at all from anyone at ZOS!

There is word:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139486/experience-versus-veteran-point-gain

thorntk421

Rosveen wrote: »

thorntk421 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We hope this explanation helps a bit, but please don't hesitate to let us know if you have any remaining questions.

We have SEVEN PAGES worth of question and, not word at all from anyone at ZOS!

There is word:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139486/experience-versus-veteran-point-gain

Great! Thanks. Did not see that....and, it still makes no sense..Time is NOT the issue. It's there is not enough exp given in a zone to get you to the level of the next zone. How hard is that to understand?

Robocles

Gotta love how well they listen.

Rosveen

Don't give me lols for that link, I'm not responsible for Zenimax's answers, I don't like them any more than you do.

Shrekmom

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Why didnt you just post this in first place instead of the rant above or maybe update this thread since.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’ve read your concerns about whether or not it’s worthwhile to continue playing your Veteran characters. The short answer is yes.

Are clearly not true

djyrb

Considering the mishap with the NA Server patch yesterday where nearly nothing was updated, and that the quest XP fix isn't coming in 1.5.3 anyway, can we perhaps get some XP for using the now functioning '/leanbackcoin'?

Dekkameron

They should just remove veteran levels already then the problem is solved.

Ashtaris

thorntk421 wrote: »

So, only gaining maybe half of a VR level after clearing a vet zone(quests,delves,dungeons,bosses,POI's) is going to be the norm now? Or is that part of the exp bug? Clearing a vet zone pre 1.5 gave at least a full VR level. How is this making vet leveling faster?

^^^ And double this. With 27 Agrees on his original message and climbing, are you paying attention @ZOS_GinaBruno?

Robocles

Ashtaris wrote: »

thorntk421 wrote: »

So, only gaining maybe half of a VR level after clearing a vet zone(quests,delves,dungeons,bosses,POI's) is going to be the norm now? Or is that part of the exp bug? Clearing a vet zone pre 1.5 gave at least a full VR level. How is this making vet leveling faster?

^^^ And double this. With 27 Agrees on his original message and climbing, are you paying attention @ZOS_GinaBruno?

No.

Zhoyzu

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Are we just seeing the typical leveling slow down that was evident after Lvl 30 but on a larger scale due to it being Veteran Levels?

what? if thats true you were doing it wrong. you should be going into the next zones over leveled and by the 5th zone you should have all the quests gray upon entry.

Garetth

Shrekmom wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Why didnt you just post this in first place instead of the rant above or maybe update this thread since.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’ve read your concerns about whether or not it’s worthwhile to continue playing your Veteran characters. The short answer is yes.

Are clearly not true

To ZOS: Liar Liar pants on fire!

Drifterella

I normally just read forums and never comment, but for f's sake, EVERY player who log in and see a "xxx Mb" download after a patch, hotfix, maint or whatnot will surly want to know WHAT was in that download !!
Can you PLEASE actually INFORM US AHEAD please ??
If today's "maint" and download was supposed to fix the "lvling bug", it sure as H. didn't.
Your losing out ppl from being SILENT!! INFORM US on what you do, sigh.
Your own official forum would be a good spot to do that maybe...

sigh.....

PS Today was the first time in almost 8 months of play I just logged in, had a look and logged out again..

Winnower

please read patch notes and possibly known issues before flying off the handle, folks. it will save some angst and a lot of bytes.

eserras7b16_ESO

Hi,

While I can understand your motivations, leveling is not fun. And leveling is not fun because it's about Questing. And people is bored of Questing. From what I understand you expect people to like doing 70% of the zone to before getting to the next one. Then you feel Chained and that's because while leveling you feel that if you pass quests you won't be able to progress in the game.

Please Zenimax...

You've just prolonged the Pain. People farmed bosses/dungeons and Dolmens because they gived so many VP's. They were given this choice. Now they've no choice but to grind each zone. And they don't want to do this: They quit playing.

eserras7b16_ESO

While it's alright to "balance" I really think that you need to atleast double the overall experience gain then. Or people will feel they're progressing too slow.

Enodoc

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

Hi,

While I can understand your motivations, leveling is not fun. And leveling is not fun because it's about Questing. And people is bored of Questing. From what I understand you expect people to like doing 70% of the zone to before getting to the next one. Then you feel Chained and that's because while leveling you feel that if you pass quests you won't be able to progress in the game.

Please Zenimax...

You've just prolonged the Pain. People farmed bosses/dungeons and Dolmens because they gived so many VP's. They were given this choice. Now they've no choice but to grind each zone. And they don't want to do this: They quit playing.

Of course I can throw out the completely opposite opinion that, at least questing makes levelling interesting. Without questing, levelling is just grinding mobs over and over and over, and that's not only boring, but repetitive. At least with questing, the story is different each time.

I agree that the choice needs to be there though. People who do not want to quest through Veteran zones should be able to level viably with just doing dungeons/bosses/dolmens if that is what they want to do.
Remember however that each Veteran Rank should take the same amount of time/content to pass through as 10 normal levels, and I think ZOS are trying to return to that intended rate of progression.

tpb01

I went through the VR ranks prior to the changes and pretty much was able to level up after each zone(quests, bosses, dungeons, dolmens)an d grinding in Craglorn. My tother wo toons are now VR1 and there is no way they reach the next level after completing the zone. As stated before, how do they compete in the next zone with so much leveling left. New system makes no sense.

WraithAzraiel

They're working on a fix. Expect it in 1.5.5, whenever that comes around. Hopefully they find some way to compensate for all the time lost from Update 5's launch to the fix.

Blud

Enodoc wrote: »

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

Hi,

While I can understand your motivations, leveling is not fun. And leveling is not fun because it's about Questing. And people is bored of Questing. From what I understand you expect people to like doing 70% of the zone to before getting to the next one. Then you feel Chained and that's because while leveling you feel that if you pass quests you won't be able to progress in the game.

Please Zenimax...

You've just prolonged the Pain. People farmed bosses/dungeons and Dolmens because they gived so many VP's. They were given this choice. Now they've no choice but to grind each zone. And they don't want to do this: They quit playing.

Of course I can throw out the completely opposite opinion that, at least questing makes levelling interesting. Without questing, levelling is just grinding mobs over and over and over, and that's not only boring, but repetitive. At least with questing, the story is different each time.

...

It's not different each time.

The first time you do it, it's new. The second time, it's the same as it was the first time, etc. So once is enough, unless you like the story so much that you want to play through the same exact quests repeatedly.