PvP reduced to lethal arrow

Kungfu · November 2014

TRIP233 wrote: »

Actually archers where killing people in two hits before update 5. Now... now they are even more OP. They can kill someone in one hit from a sneak attack. The pools have NOT been balanced. They have been shifted. Balance means equal not one is more over powered then the other

Ummm yeah.
Sorry but I have to disagree. If you died in "one hit" to an archer's snipe, I have to suggest that maybe you got hit by a bunch of other stuff you didn't see or something.

Since 1.5 I've fired a... lot... A... FREAKING... LOT of snipe shots. And they are definitely weaker.

MUCH more fun!!! MUCH more useful!! But definitely weaker.

This change was a great one and needs to stay.

If you are having trouble surviving against snipe shots, I would recommend studying where your weakness really is and (first)trying to find something in the current game that will help you combat it or (second) trying to find some positive changes to that weakness that you can come here and suggest to BUFF rather than to nerf.

Columba · November 2014

I've fired thousands of lethal arrows. In none of them were my victims dead before being able to responds, unless multiple attackers hit them....just like with other weapons. Get over it. I rarely die to snipe or lethal arrows, but I don't go afk in battles.

Xsorus · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

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mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Ezareth · November 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

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ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

Xsorus · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

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xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

Satiar · November 2014

I am pretty sure the quality of glyph enhances the disease damage. No hard numbers, but I get better results for Yellows as opposed to Purples, and I'm not talking the proc damage. Just an eye test though.

Ezareth · November 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

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ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

I've never worked with a non-legendary enchant before so there could be some merit to that.

I tested with a AD bow user against an EP sorc. I beat the sorc with my sword until the disease proc visual occured, then the bow user hit her with lethal arrow and we had her cast an instant heal. While under the influence of both debuffs the heal was still only 50%

Nala_ · November 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

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ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

Kwas · November 2014

It needs it range and damage doubled. There's still few stubborn people who aren't running with bows (about 7 in total).

TheBull · November 2014

Akula wrote: »

I'm getting killed by WW now all the time in pvp. Just because you never had to worry about it before, and they just became viable, doesn't mean their op. What it means is that you have yet to adjust to this new threat. I don't blame WW for suddenly becoming viable I blame myself for not learning how to beat them.

Woof

Lava_Croft · November 2014

Woosh woosh woosh
Plonk plonk plonk
I am weak
My bow is stronk

Animal_Mother · November 2014

Kungfu wrote: »

If you are having trouble surviving against snipe shots, I would recommend studying where your weakness really is and (first)trying to find something in the current game that will help you combat it or (second) trying to find some positive changes to that weakness that you can come here and suggest to BUFF rather than to nerf.

My first suggestion is to hit the 'X' key when the option to Purify appears. I can spam Purifying Ritual before my big heals, but the heals do no good if half (or more of) your health bar is pink. That just sets you up for an apparent one shot kill.

Varicite · November 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

- There are no innate resistances to its morph lethal arrow which deals poison damage.

Good work!

There is.

It's called.... wait for it... "poison resistance". Or blocking. Or shielding.

Crazy, I know.

Xsorus · November 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

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xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

I didn't say all heal debuffs were multiplicative, i said disease enchant was. It was 36% when I tested it. This was with a melee weapon....What quality was the disease enchant, cause i'm starting to believe quality of the disease might have an affect.

Course they could of changed it last patch as well, might of been why they removed Arcane Fighter.

Erock25 · November 2014

Lots of lethal arrows being spammed out there today. How long does the heal debuff last? I was constantly taking 0 heals.

Satiar · November 2014

The one nice thing about all these bow guys is that all the DKs I used to have to deal with in melee range are standing at max distance pewpewing at me while I pound on their templar. Sweet stuff.

Does make it so *** difficult to test my WW tho.

Junipus · November 2014

Not everyone uses Lethal Arrow.

Some of us use Focus Aim instead. Much nicer for long range attacks which leave people dead before they figure out where it came from.

The only players that are difficult to take down now are the shield stacking sorcs, DKs who remember to flap and templars spamming BS

Columba · November 2014

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Not everyone uses Lethal Arrow.

Some of us use Focus Aim instead. Much nicer for long range attacks which leave people dead before they figure out where it came from.

The only players that are difficult to take down now are the shield stacking sorcs, DKs who remember to flap and templars spamming BS

yep. so every class has innate defenses against it, lol.

Junipus · November 2014

Columba wrote: »

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dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Not everyone uses Lethal Arrow.

Some of us use Focus Aim instead. Much nicer for long range attacks which leave people dead before they figure out where it came from.

The only players that are difficult to take down now are the shield stacking sorcs, DKs who remember to flap and templars spamming BS

yep. so every class has innate defenses against it, lol.

Forgot the NBs who can spam cloak when it works.

Varicite · November 2014

Columba wrote: »

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dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Not everyone uses Lethal Arrow.

Some of us use Focus Aim instead. Much nicer for long range attacks which leave people dead before they figure out where it came from.

The only players that are difficult to take down now are the shield stacking sorcs, DKs who remember to flap and templars spamming BS

yep. so every class has innate defenses against it, lol.

Why aren't NBs a class anymore? : c

Pixysticks · November 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

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Nala_ wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

I didn't say all heal debuffs were multiplicative, i said disease enchant was. It was 36% when I tested it. This was with a melee weapon....What quality was the disease enchant, cause i'm starting to believe quality of the disease might have an affect.

Course they could of changed it last patch as well, might of been why they removed Arcane Fighter.

I tested it with a gold enchant and crushing on a destruction staff and it was 50% in patch 1.4. I've never tested it with a melee weapon or a purple enchant though to see if it was different with those.

Xsorus · November 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

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xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

I didn't say all heal debuffs were multiplicative, i said disease enchant was. It was 36% when I tested it. This was with a melee weapon....What quality was the disease enchant, cause i'm starting to believe quality of the disease might have an affect.

Course they could of changed it last patch as well, might of been why they removed Arcane Fighter.

I tested it with a gold enchant and crushing on a destruction staff and it was 50% in patch 1.4. I've never tested it with a melee weapon or a purple enchant though to see if it was different with those.

See I used blue, So i'm starting to think that Disease Enchant quality actually plays a part.

Rylana · November 2014

I find that whenever I press the number three on my DK, nightblade bow users die.

Im not sure why, but my DPS can go over 2000 near a keep wall when I press the number 3. It seems weird.

Pixysticks · November 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

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Pixysticks wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

I didn't say all heal debuffs were multiplicative, i said disease enchant was. It was 36% when I tested it. This was with a melee weapon....What quality was the disease enchant, cause i'm starting to believe quality of the disease might have an affect.

Course they could of changed it last patch as well, might of been why they removed Arcane Fighter.

I tested it with a gold enchant and crushing on a destruction staff and it was 50% in patch 1.4. I've never tested it with a melee weapon or a purple enchant though to see if it was different with those.

See I used blue, So i'm starting to think that Disease Enchant quality actually plays a part.

Yeah, that could be too; I'll test it later tonight with purple and gold and melee/ranged.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

I find that whenever I press the number three on my DK, nightblade bow users die.

Im not sure why, but my DPS can go over 2000 near a keep wall when I press the number 3. It seems weird.

When I press # 3, I play a winged animation but nothing coming towards me gets reflected anyways at times....

Domander · November 2014

well, I'd say "bow" is incredibly well countered just by blocking. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points...

Blocking prevents the lethal arrow heal debuff (bug?) it also reduces the damage by an incredible amount if using a shield.

Blocking prevents the immobilize from bombard

Blocking prevents the knockback on draining/magnum shot

Xsorus · November 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

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Pixysticks wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

That's untrue

Disease is 36% heal debuff, not 50%, and it does stack with Lethal Arrow and every other Heal debuff in the game. This was tested multiple times with my Afflicted Armor

Well then you explain to me why my disease enchanted sword when the proc landed cut the healing of my test target exactly in half.

Maybe you're using a disease bow with a different enchant or maybe ranged behaves differently?

retest it, when we tested it was 36% with a great axe mind you, it stacked with things like lethal arrow and standard, it was also weird in that it stacked multiplicative. so it plus standard was only like 78% reduction if i recall.

Now it is possible, as I didn't test to see if this is how it works, that the quality of the disease proc determines the value of the status effect, if I recall I was working with Blues in terms of enchants

i just tested this with some ppl now. heal debuffs are not multiplicative, and disease is 50%, we only tested with disease on melee weapons though so im not sure if disease from a bow or staff is only 36% bcuz its ranged and melee is 50%, but disease enchant on a melee weap is def 50% and it is def additive.

I didn't say all heal debuffs were multiplicative, i said disease enchant was. It was 36% when I tested it. This was with a melee weapon....What quality was the disease enchant, cause i'm starting to believe quality of the disease might have an affect.

Course they could of changed it last patch as well, might of been why they removed Arcane Fighter.

I tested it with a gold enchant and crushing on a destruction staff and it was 50% in patch 1.4. I've never tested it with a melee weapon or a purple enchant though to see if it was different with those.

See I used blue, So i'm starting to think that Disease Enchant quality actually plays a part.

Yeah, that could be too; I'll test it later tonight with purple and gold and melee/ranged.

Let me know your results...I always wondered if quality played a part

Etaniel · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

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mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erlex wrote: »

I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

There's got to be some stacking going on, when my dragon blood heals for 0, that's not just a 50% reduction

Maulkin · November 2014

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I could see the poison morph no longer being a sneak attack, but the other keeping sneak attack ability. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the skill, including the damage, except the fact that its a heal debuff that can be sneak attacked (from range).

Also if the healing debuff is stacking that is a bug and should be fixed before 1.6.

I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.

However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.

Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%

There's got to be some stacking going on, when my dragon blood heals for 0, that's not just a 50% reduction

Etaniel, I thought every Arena guild member new this! I've been spamming it in the guild chat all weekend

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Leathal Arrow Healing Debuff

Joy_Division · November 2014

I don't understand the logic behind "the ability is fine because it can be blocked" logic. So you'd be cool if Zenimax changed the Entropy spell in the Mage's Guide line to something more useful, say: "kill target"?