PvP reduced to lethal arrow
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✭✭✭Since 1.5, if you're playing solo and you don't have Purge on one of your bars, you must have a death wish.
Maybe it's because of the many snipers, maybe there's a bug somewhere, I won't know till I test. I don't want to speculate what is happening yet, till I have something conclusive.
What I know is in small scale fights without meatbags involved, I'm getting Healing Wards that normally do 1.2k heals do exactly 0. Something's up.
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✭Block with a shield, and laugh at snipe. There's other things you can do also to defend against it, as mentioned in this thread, since not everyone wants to use a shield. It's the easiest defense though, a bow user would run out of stamina trying to kill you with snipe if blocking with a shield. Snipe can also be interrupted, and you can't run very fast trying to cast it. Remember someone sniping with a bow is also not blocking.
Bow has a real good place in the game now.
It's like some people in this thread think that an archer left alone shouldn't be a threat....
also the OP title is extremely dumb.Edited by Domander on November 7, 2014 5:14PM0 -
cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I've tested the healing debuff stacking issue last night and it is a thing. I hit someone with reverberating bash and my guildy hit them with lethal arrow debuffing there healing by 90% with just the 2 of us.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »I've tested the healing debuff stacking issue last night and it is a thing. I hit someone with reverberating bash and my guildy hit them with lethal arrow debuffing there healing by 90% with just the 2 of us.
That seems like exactly how I would expect it to work, being 2 different abilities.
also
without healing debuffs trying to get any kills with more than a few players around is incredibly difficult, especially since heals auto target low health. I think even with healing debuffs it's still sometimes difficult.
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themizario✭✭✭How to use a bow in ESO:
1. Apply face to keyboard.
2. Repeat step 1.
I would just like to say that if you can apply your face to a keyboard and hit less than one key you must have a really long nose....
On a separate note I love this "my build takes more skill because reasons" arguments. THERE ARE FIVE ABILITIES how much skill do you think you have?
Did you train in archery IRL and somehow that translates to the game? Or the fact that anything from game would translate to IRL.
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That seems like exactly how I would expect it to work, being 2 different abilities.
That's correct, while that is a high debuff, that's working as intended. I'm interested on whether it's possible to stack the same debuff over and over, whether from 1 player or multiple players.EU | PC | AD1 -
themizario✭✭✭Snipe is fine as is and im a Sorc in LA with a stick that rarely gets killed with snipe anymore or the bow for that matter.
Snipe can be countered:
1. Dodge rolling when you hear bow sound.
2. Running Raidant MageLight on your bar.
3. Running Efficent Purge to remove any poison DOTS
At worst nearly everyone should be running Purge, its a must if you want to stay alive longer then 1 minute, so thats a gimme, RML is not required, but really helps survive the stealth snipe shots, but Dodge is a sure fire to avoid the damage all together.
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✭✭Granted I haven't had a huge amount of time to PVP since 1.5, but I took quite a few Lethal Arrows to the face and survived alright as a LA Sorc. If healing debuffs are stacking from the same ability that is something that needs to be fixed IMO. I also think you should be able to put someone at 0% healing received either. Maybe cap the heal debuff total at 75% or something.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My theory, disease enchanted bow....and a lucky proc
Disease enchanted bow is the most common type of bow. Enchant stacking with snipe is also intended behaviour, nothing wrong with that.
I don't really want to start a witch hunt around Snipe. Also, I've been completely heal cut by somebody who wasn't using a bow at all, so while I'll test the bow as well, that's not even what I'll be looking at at first.EU | PC | AD0 -
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✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
I will test it this evening, but all I know for a fact is that the healing debuff stacks with a diseased weapon enchant. A gold glyph of disease provides *I think* around 10% reduction in healing taken to push the total to about 60%. This is of course normal, nothing untoward there.
However, I've been diseased a few times by a single player in a duel and could not get any heals off without purging, so something is stacking somewhere to a huge degree.
Disease doesn't stack. I've tested this myself just a week ago. Lethal arrow and disease = 50% debuff. Lethal arrow alone = 50%. Disease alone = 50%
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭I think it's fine if you just reduce its healing debuff to 25% instead of 50%, and don't let it stack with certain other healing debuffs, just have the most effective one overwrite the weaker effect.Alacrity
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
That's correct, while that is a high debuff, that's working as intended. I'm interested on whether it's possible to stack the same debuff over and over, whether from 1 player or multiple players.
2 players can apply the debuff bringing healing to zero. 1 person cant.
I should also note that the lethal arrow debuff is *not* applied through a block. Only if you are hit while not blocking can it be applied. Same with disease enchant debuff(the damage still is applied)Edited by Ezareth on November 7, 2014 7:04PMPermanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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MiyaTheUnbroken✭✭✭✭ezareth_ESO wrote: »
2 players can apply the debuff bringing healing to zero. 1 person cant.
I should also note that the lethal arrow debuff is *not* applied through a block. Only if you are hit while not blocking can it be applied. Same with disease enchant debuff(the damage still is applied)
Have you reported this in game? Do you have any screen shots you can send in? Has the debuff from lethal arrow always stacked with itself, or is this new?0 -
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✭✭✭✭MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »
Have you reported this in game? Do you have any screen shots you can send in? Has the debuff from lethal arrow always stacked with itself, or is this new?
Was as of last patch when my Templar kept complaining of healing me for zero health while I was Emp(+50% healing). Death recap always had lethal arrows from 3 or 4 different people.
I didn't report it because I assumed it was intentional. My subscription is lapsed so someone else will have to provided documented testing.
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✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Oh stop it, stamina builds are finally competitive and you QQ, you'se a baddie, u need to l2p, hold block more etc. etc.
Yeah, because mele stamina builds are so competitive right now when 99% of the Cyrodiil population is standing at max range spamming Lethal Arrow
Extra points if you run in mele using werewolf form. Even more bravery points if you dont have Reflective Scales.
I'm not blaming bow specifically though. Range is king when dying means a 10 minutes riding exercise. Bow happens to be the best ranged weapon atm, since there's so many counters/mitigations versus spell projectiles.1 -
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✭✭✭Getting 5 bow attacks from 5 different archers in your death recap is something that happens pretty often these days.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Getting 5 bow attacks from 5 different archers in your death recap is something that happens pretty often these days.
Only if you are putting yourself in bad positions, though I do feel sorry for melee.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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So? 5 players playing smartly SHOULD be able to kill you. Secondly, lethal arrows are easy to avoid, look, listen and dodge/block. Pretty simple. I rarely die to them unless there's a ton of lag. All skills are like that though.Getting 5 bow attacks from 5 different archers in your death recap is something that happens pretty often these days.
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So? 5 players playing smartly SHOULD be able to kill you. Secondly, lethal arrows are easy to avoid, look, listen and dodge/block. Pretty simple. I rarely die to them unless there's a ton of lag. All skills are like that though.
It is not a matter of being killed by 5 players it is a matter of more than 1/3 of the population being a cheap shot archer. I am a melee siphoning tank NB in pvp and since the patch I can hold my own really well against most DKs and Templars in melee. The fights are mostly determined by who has the larger line of snipers in the back though. Magicka ranged casters are pretty inconsequential also since everyone has annulment and absorb magicka/defensive stance and dks can also reflect magicka attacks. Against archers the only thing everyone has is block. I expect that even more people will go bow now.Edited by PBpsy on November 7, 2014 10:32PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Since 1.5, if you're playing solo and you don't have Purge on one of your bars, you must have a death wish.
Maybe it's because of the many snipers, maybe there's a bug somewhere, I won't know till I test. I don't want to speculate what is happening yet, till I have something conclusive.
What I know is in small scale fights without meatbags involved, I'm getting Healing Wards that normally do 1.2k heals do exactly 0. Something's up.
Purge is mandatory atm.
Agreed, although there isn't that many players running it which is crazy.
As a bow user since beta (no bandwagons here just because bow is finally an option now) what I am seeing is the 'good' players using purge to get rid of mark target, and other nasties. It's the mark target combined with snipe/focused aim/lethal that really strips back your opponent and makes them go boom.
The good players that aren't bow fodder, they are the ones using purge.
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DeaconFrost✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »
Dang. Those are my old 'How to Play DK' instructions.
Dang. Those are the "How to play a Pally in WoW" instructions.
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That you don't like the archer playstyle is your problem. Even if there were prof that 1/3 of the population uses bows, so what? Everyone can equip them. Secondly, 5 of any class or weapon type would take you down in seconds. No, I think you real issue is that you think archers should be fodder for you. Now that archers, gasp, can actually kill, you are having an aneurism. Get over it.
It is not a matter of being killed my 5 players it is a matter of more than 1/3 of the population being a cheap shot archer. I am a melee siphoning tank NB and since the patch I can hold my own really well against most DKs and Templars in melee. The fights are mostly determined by who has the larger line of snipers in the back though.
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TRIP233✭✭✭So archers can finally compete and someone that was used to killing them like nothing before is mad because he has to dodge now. Maybe you might have to block or dodge now? Maybe you will have to use something quick to stun them for a sec before using crystal shard? Magicka builds are still better and archers had a it bad. I started out as an archer and dropped it for my daggers because i couldn't compete. Now archers get something good and people are crying Nerf? Wow....
Actually archers where killing people in two hits before update 5. Now... now they are even more OP. They can kill someone in one hit from a sneak attack. The pools have NOT been balanced. They have been shifted. Balance means equal not one is more over powered then the other2 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭Lethal arrow is so weak now compared to pre-1.5
ALL DKs now have the time to wing our bowshots into uselessness.
With the damage nerf, you won't get 2-shot by lethal arrow like you used to.
Well... you shouldn't.
I'm running an Imp stam NB with 3k health and 2.2k stam (before food) in 5piece Hundings and either 3-piece Ashen Grip / 2-piece Eagle Eye or 2/3, depending on whether I want the range or disease proc.
Before 1.5 I was 2-shotting you. Although commonly it would require an light attack cancel w/ a venom arrow at the end of the second snipe.
But you should be HAPPY that's not possible now. Now you have time to react.
My weapon damage and stamina are capped after food and I still require at LEAST three shots to kill most players. Even then, it requires that player to sit still in the stupid long enough. Some players take a fourth arrow and any DECENT DK can still just ignore my bow bar entirely.
At least now I don't HAVE to have poison arrow as "something to spam" !!
I actually get to spam my snipe morph and I can use some of the other, more INTERESTING abilities!Edited by Kungfu on November 7, 2014 10:38PM0 -
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I've only one hit lowbie players, so you are exaggerating for effect.
Actually archers where killing people in two hits before update 5. Now... now they are even more OP. They can kill someone in one hit from a sneak attack. The pools have NOT been balanced. They have been shifted. Balance means equal not one is more over powered then the other
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I am sorry but I am not the one with emotional problems.That you don't like the archer playstyle is your problem. Even if there were prof that 1/3 of the population uses bows, so what? Everyone can equip them. Secondly, 5 of any class or weapon type would take you down in seconds. No, I think you real issue is that you think archers should be fodder for you. Now that archers, gasp, can actually kill, you are having an aneurism. Get over it.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭That you don't like the archer playstyle is your problem. Even if there were prof that 1/3 of the population uses bows, so what? Everyone can equip them. Secondly, 5 of any class or weapon type would take you down in seconds. No, I think you real issue is that you think archers should be fodder for you. Now that archers, gasp, can actually kill, you are having an aneurism. Get over it.
Just an FYI... archers have been able to kill for months now. People only have an issue with dying before they even have a chance to fight back.0
