VP vs. XP

jambam817_ESO

I was going to resub this patch... nope, expires tomorrow. Peace out ESO, it was fun while it lasted. Can't progress my VR9 whats the point...

Lunerdog

DigitalHype wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

In some industries, making miscalculations like this when designing and manufacturing certain products would likely cause people serious injury or death.

Good that the gaming industry exists so that some fairly clever but rather inept people can find work that means they aren't held responsible for their constant mistakes and faulty product output.

Yay for them :sarcasm/smiley/fail:

Its cute, that so many people think this was a mistake.

Now that I know how long ago that they were informed of this bug on the PTS I see your point and agree with you.

Their underhand tactics are nothing short of astonishing and the fact that they're still brazenly lying through their teeth about it adds insult to injury.

Seems that they view their paying customers with nothing but contempt.

Vyle_Byte

I like how they are treating this like its not a big deal... oh darn we screwed up... guess your all just gonna have to wait til when the heck ever we get off our butts to fix it. Oh and btw we wont bother actually telling anyone they aren't getting correct XP, lets just keep it a secret from those who haven't read the 2 threads that have been commented on.

This, dear ZOS qualifies as a BROKEN ASS GAME. We dont pay a monthly sub to wait for you to fix something that should have never went live in the first flippin place. Its obvious this was an issue on the PTS. Ya know what, just shut that down you don't listen to the people who report bugs anyhow.

I am not one to complain, I love this game I want it to succeed, just like the rest of your paying customers. But this one takes the cake. And the icing. And its really pissin people off. ( yeah i know you'll edit me. and i dont care.)

Valen_Byte

This is a progression stopping, game breaking "bug" and they don't seem to think its a big deal. It is a huge deal. I haven't been able to progress in the game for 4 days now. What if they don't fix it for 2 weeks. Do we get a 2 week credit to our game time?? There are 4 ESO players in this house. Thats 60 bucks a month. If it goes on for 2 weeks, thats 8 weeks of game time they owe this family. But really all it would take is some better communication, and all would be well. Its the fact that they are acting like its no big deal that is pissing me and a lot of other people off!

AngryNord

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I like how they are treating this like its not a big deal... oh darn we screwed up... guess your all just gonna have to wait til when the heck ever we get off our butts to fix it. Oh and btw we wont bother actually telling anyone they aren't getting correct XP, lets just keep it a secret from those who haven't read the 2 threads that have been commented on.

This, dear ZOS qualifies as a BROKEN ASS GAME. We dont pay a monthly sub to wait for you to fix something that should have never went live in the first flippin place. Its obvious this was an issue on the PTS. Ya know what, just shut that down you don't listen to the people who report bugs anyhow.

I am not one to complain, I love this game I want it to succeed, just like the rest of your paying customers. But this one takes the cake. And the icing. And its really pissin people off. ( yeah i know you'll edit me. and i dont care.)

There are heaps of gaming websites around. Start emailing this to all of them, Quite a few are guaranteed to post it.

AngryNord

Valen_Byte wrote: »

This is a progression stopping, game breaking "bug" and they don't seem to think its a big deal. It is a huge deal. I haven't been able to progress in the game for 4 days now. What if they don't fix it for 2 weeks. Do we get a 2 week credit to our game time?? There are 4 ESO players in this house. Thats 60 bucks a month. If it goes on for 2 weeks, thats 8 weeks of game time they owe this family. But really all it would take is some better communication, and all would be well. Its the fact that they are acting like its no big deal that is pissing me and a lot of other people off!

You know you can vote With Your wallets, right?

Valen_Byte

AngryNord wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

This is a progression stopping, game breaking "bug" and they don't seem to think its a big deal. It is a huge deal. I haven't been able to progress in the game for 4 days now. What if they don't fix it for 2 weeks. Do we get a 2 week credit to our game time?? There are 4 ESO players in this house. Thats 60 bucks a month. If it goes on for 2 weeks, thats 8 weeks of game time they owe this family. But really all it would take is some better communication, and all would be well. Its the fact that they are acting like its no big deal that is pissing me and a lot of other people off!

You know you can vote With Your wallets, right?

What and loose our 6th month reward?? Lol

If it goes on much longer without being properly addressed, that may happen. I really dont think a little communication is too much to ask.

Vyle_Byte

Valen_Byte wrote: »

What and loose our 6th month reward?? Lol

Oh that made me LOL for realsies haha!

Vyle_Byte

AngryNord wrote: »

There are heaps of gaming websites around. Start emailing this to all of them, Quite a few are guaranteed to post it.

Thats actually not a bad idea. Although sad, as ZOS should be taking care of said customers themselves.

Artorious

Valen_Byte wrote: »

This is a progression stopping, game breaking "bug" and they don't seem to think its a big deal. It is a huge deal.

Clearly, facial animations were a bigger deal, clearly.

Dalcboy

The whole VR System was a terrible idea in the first place. After I hit VR1 and figured I had to play through the other factions quests, I quickly hit the unsub button. I'm hoping the champion system does away with the whole sliver/what-chya-call-it because now I truly understand why the population of this game has taken a serious nose dive. F2P by the 3rd Quarter of 2015?

Adhal

Dalcboy wrote: »

The whole VR System was a terrible idea in the first place. After I hit VR1 and figured I had to play through the other factions quests, I quickly hit the unsub button. I'm hoping the champion system does away with the whole sliver/what-chya-call-it because now I truly understand why the population of this game has taken a serious nose dive. F2P by the 3rd Quarter of 2015?

The population hasn't taken a nose dive, there are still a ton of people playing. Yes VR was a mistake and they are going to be correcting that, it's not going f2p anytime soon, I personally have seen tons of new players/people resubbing since I started playing again last month. 1.5 was a great patch content wise, and while the exp is a huge issue, I expect it will be solved either Friday or Monday. Should they have paid attention more, yes. However it is a mmo and after playing MMOs for 15+ years, this *** happens a lot and if you don't have the patience for it then MMOs are not for you.

Ninnghizhidda

Hmmm... so now it is clear they did know about it all for a long time, since it was noted in the PTS. Yet, it all went live, of course.

At the very least they acknowledged the issue, I still want to think positive and believe it is genuine and not some "incompetence and disregard conspiracy theory".

I also want to believe they have some XP tracking system in place, so the ideal scenario would be that all the "lost" XP will be reimbursed once the issue is fixed in the upcoming Patch.

It is still sad though, that they have not made a very clear and loud announcement about such an important issue, it is certain that only a fraction of the player base actually follow the Forum or relevant social media and could well be oblivious to the fact they are losing heaps of XP (although the difference is so big that it should be clear that character progress is messed up, even by checking the relevant bar).

like1tiger

Most of my friends have been playing totally unaware and they don't frequent the forums. I said haven't you noticed the xp being lower and they all said yea we have but didn't know why.
Most of my guild are not even questing or doing anything until this is fixed as the xp is not worth while.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

DigitalHype wrote: »

Lunerdog wrote: »

In some industries, making miscalculations like this when designing and manufacturing certain products would likely cause people serious injury or death.

Good that the gaming industry exists so that some fairly clever but rather inept people can find work that means they aren't held responsible for their constant mistakes and faulty product output.

Yay for them :sarcasm/smiley/fail:

Its cute, that so many people think this was a mistake.

Your tin-foil hat is misplaced .. or ZOS are more inept that I give them credit for.

Thing about stealth nerfs designed with the intent you infer, they need to be subtle, just enough to have an effect but small enough to go under most players' radar .. min/maxers will always spot them but most players don't really bother about smallish nerfs .. this one is so gross that a 5-year-old would be able to figure it out pretty quickly.

Emeliana

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

"which will allow you to progress through Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you're currently seeing in-game"

Currently ???

Let me remind you and everyone else, it was clearly stated that advancing in Veteran Ranks was going to be at a faster pace after 1.5 compared to before. Therefore "currently" is not a valid parameter.

I'm also interested to hear how our wasted quests and with them our XP are going to be addressed. To my knowledge, those quests can't be repeated.

Is our accumulated XP from those quests, delves, exploration, anchors etc going to be adjusted to the values we should have got if the maths would have been correct in 1.5.2, or are they going to be reset for us to repeat?? If nothing of the kind - then the people who played Veteran Ranks lower than V14 after 1.5 are simply SoL and those XP will be lost for ever...

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Given the lack of urgency and concern ZOS have showed about this (to wit: the casual, throw-away tone of the 'green' comment on it) I think you can kiss goodbye to the XP everyone has lost. I don't see ZOS resetting quests, the best they could do I think, assuming their character logs are detailed enough, is to award the missing XP for those completed post-1.5, but there's no way they'll deal with the huge loss of mob XP this totally asinine breakage has caused, I can't see their logs will record every kill every character does.

stunning

It's very sad but trust me your xp is lost and if they let this crap run over the weekend they are going to loose a lot of players -- as the population drops the game turns to trash -- they really need to warn everyone so they can stop playing until this is fixed -- because the people that are playing unknowing of this mess are going to be screwed and very mad

AngryNord

As I've said before in this thread: Start emailing gaming websites and game reviewers, ASAP.

ZoM_Head

Helric wrote: »

@Elmojito1000eb17_ESO
You'll not be vr10/11 after all factions, not even close, maybe between v4 and v6 i guess.

Ok, what about leveling skills that i just unlocked at VR14 or leveling the morphs?

I completed all quests in all zones, how can i level them up now?

Syntse

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

I also want to believe they have some XP tracking system in place, so the ideal scenario would be that all the "lost" XP will be reimbursed once the issue is fixed in the upcoming Patch.

If you just think of this a little you will realize that it's next to impossible that they would do so. It would only require logging every single exp gain of players with time stamp so they could add the missing exp based on those gains after the date of the patch. And I'm pretty sure they do not keep such in-depth logging in place.

They do however track the exp of capped players so their CP is rewarded once it is in game. This is most likely done so that it will record the exp gained to hidden variable of the character database of those that are capped.

Lunerdog

Been here since release but this carry on has pretty much busted whatever faith I had left in Zenimax, admitted that after the shenanigans that every patch has brought in I had very little faith left to start with.

The fact that this was reported weeks ago yet still pushed to live is shocking tbh, plus the glib "We have discovered a bug" comment from the Zos mod is an outright lie and another slap across the face to paying customers.

Dishonesty and deceit are appalling traits and I can only hope that someone grows a spine and players get some form of compensation or at least a proper and honest apology for this mess.

As for me, gonna pop down the town this afternoon and buy myself that PS4 and a few games that I've been promising myself, because, well, you know, with four Vet characters there's no point me playing this game at the moment is there ?

Especially as due to the skill changes I have skills that I need to level on all of them

Don't touch Zenithing, it's fubar

Blud

Don't worry folks. I'm sure Zeni will address your concerns in the livestream tomorrow

McLukos

I will wait for the CS system to come into play before I continue to level my VR6. Looks like i will just PVP untill then...

zaria

Syntse wrote: »

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

I also want to believe they have some XP tracking system in place, so the ideal scenario would be that all the "lost" XP will be reimbursed once the issue is fixed in the upcoming Patch.

If you just think of this a little you will realize that it's next to impossible that they would do so. It would only require logging every single exp gain of players with time stamp so they could add the missing exp based on those gains after the date of the patch. And I'm pretty sure they do not keep such in-depth logging in place.

They do however track the exp of capped players so their CP is rewarded once it is in game. This is most likely done so that it will record the exp gained to hidden variable of the character database of those that are capped.

Agree here, yes it should be fixed on Tuesday maintenance however it has been removed, again they should have kept it for fixes after updates.

However it does not have an huge impact on play as in questing or running daily dungeons. I would hold off doing once off high xp stuff like focused runs to do all group dungeons or public group dungeons in a faction the first time.

Sypherioth

did ppl notice that below lvl 50 it aint exp but it is VP now?? :P

Cogo

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

You have got to be joking?

The exp is to fast already. Cyro gives tons. Solo give tons exp. What does NOT give tons of exp are the grind spots in Craglorn.

I hope the increase in exp isnt much higher. Common! Explore exp? Open chest exp? I am trying my best not to gain a rank per day.

When are ZOS going to start to listen to all players? Not just those who cries the highest?

skibicki

@cogo umm you want people to play like you now? questing and finishing the zones should get you to atleast vr10 like it used to now you be lucky to hit half of that which would force people to either grind or pvp. pretty sure most want that since that is pretty common game design for most mmo's

xarguideb17_ESO

@Cogo‌ A vr rank per day?! Maybe, if you have nothing else to do. I've been playing from launch, I have 2 vr6 characters. Yes, you can call me a filthy casual.
The exp increase was promised to us and it was indeed supposed to be *much* higher, like 5x faster levelling in vr ranks. Yet what happened was exp decrease...
How is this a problem for you, I don't understand. You don't like getting exp?
I'm sure most of the players feel that the exp amount to gain levels in vr ranks has been too much.

Cogo

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Please look at the answers here. People think its a "loss" to play, because they do not get enough exp? They don't loose anything by getting exp.
They just don't gain massive exp by running around killing the same targets in Craglorn like headless chickens.

Look at the answers! "I am going to play an alt until this is fixed for veteran players".
If you give in to this, then these are the whining comments you will get when 1.6 and Champion points comes in.

Do the numbers. It takes less time to get a rank now then it did before 1.5.
You are only encouraging "grind"- behavior by saying there will be more exp.

Any dungeon run gives much more exp now then pre 1.5
Explore exp gives huge exp boost if you have a lot of explore traits on.
Cyrodiil gives...a lot (if you are in a large group and do battles)

Quest exp seams to give a bit more then Veteran points did.

Please don't dumb down ESO?

The easier exp and extra skill points that was given in 1.5, was a big concern to a lot of players. Players who don't come to these forum because they are...and I quote "To toxic".

The exp right now is still to fast, but wasn't the big bad wolf people feared.
Please consider the bulk of the player base, who is not here on these forums. They are busy having fun in the game.