VP vs. XP

egosumacunnus

I am at VR8 i have just completed a full quest and got 12K XP i would have got 95K VP.

At that rate i would need to complete 140 quests/bosses/anchors to go up one level. Is there something i have missed? I thought this was supposed to reduce the amount of time it takes to level VR?

Figures are approximate, the semantic thread is over there.

Edit: Added Zos response below. Don't let that put you off joining in with the tail end of the vitriol though

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

I hope the "next incremental patch" is 1.5.3 and not of Update 6.

It will be 1.5.3.

Helric

Exp needed was divided by 3 but gain of exp was divided by 10 times... Good luck for all beginners.....
Yes around 140 quests/boss/Anchors, mean 3 and half zones to up 1 lv.....

dharbert

It's going to take non-hardcore players YEARS to get to VR14 if this is the way they intended it to be.

MyForumName

I guess I'm glad I'm at vet level 9 going on 10 but now I wish I had raced harder to 14 to bypass all this time sink b.s.

Maotti

it totally contradicts what ZOS themselves said in the patch notes, it's much slower now. And you basically need to do all alliances to level up properly.

They took away the xp for repeating dailies so. That's nice of you Zos, doing the complete opposite of what the community wants.

MyForumName

My guess is they are doing these things to ready it up for console release and the game will effectively suck on pc but be amazing to console newbs.

Helric

@Maotti_Nor
We need to do much more than the 3 alliances to up V14, maybe if you completed all zones of the 2 others alliances after your lv50 you can be around V4, not more.... It's crazy.

c0rp

I dont understand this either...they said it would be faster, and it is by NO MEANS that way. They need to comment on this.

Helric

Before was around 1 lv by zone, now we need more than 3 zones... Just insane.

akalabethb14_ESO

I agree, can ZOS please clarify? I thought I'd at least be able to tell the difference from the change from VP to XP, but now it still seems to take forever...

Which I am okay with, but the way that Veteran Ranks are set up, the carrot on the stick is not strong enough to get me to grind this much...

Jagath

Looks like ZoS isn't against grinding after all...that is the only way to get to V14 now.

zaria

I got 35k xp by doing banished cell VR5 and the undaunted quest as VR13, dungeon level VR5.
Current requirement for 14 is 1.5 mill, before the patch it was 5.5 million, and I had 500k who was lowered to 150k. I got 300k vr points yesterday from doing the VR10 public dungeon.

zaria

Helric wrote: »

@Maotti_Nor
We need to do much more than the 3 alliances to up V14, maybe if you completed all zones of the 2 others alliances after your lv50 you can be around V4, not more.... It's crazy.

They probably assume you do other stuff to. Low level players would be wanted as leaders for daily dungeon runs
Then you think about it, that change was pretty cool that way.

akalabethb14_ESO

zaria wrote: »

Helric wrote: »

@Maotti_Nor
We need to do much more than the 3 alliances to up V14, maybe if you completed all zones of the 2 others alliances after your lv50 you can be around V4, not more.... It's crazy.

They probably assume you do other stuff to. Low level players would be wanted as leaders for daily dungeon runs
Then you think about it, that change was pretty cool that way.

I hate dungeon groups, but now I'm forced to do them? So much for "play as you want".

Helric

akalabethb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate dungeon groups, but now I'm forced to do them? So much for "play as you want".

Don't worry, only around 40k by dungeon, so it's not a good way to exp too.

zaria

Helric wrote: »

akalabethb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate dungeon groups, but now I'm forced to do them? So much for "play as you want".

Don't worry, only around 40k by dungeon, so it's not a good way to exp too.

Yes but the drops and quest rewards was good.
Anyway that is the hurry, this one is VR13, has played one character since launch, yes Zaria has not had time to play as much as many others.

Don't worry and watch the guild chats and forums, probably some exploits who let you level fast reach 14 and start an alt

Maverick827

I guess my come back was a bit premature. I didn't feel like grinding to VR14 before. Now? No chance.

I'll be keeping an eye on this issue. Hopefully they'll fix it.

akalabethb14_ESO

zaria wrote: »

Helric wrote: »

akalabethb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate dungeon groups, but now I'm forced to do them? So much for "play as you want".

Don't worry, only around 40k by dungeon, so it's not a good way to exp too.

Yes but the drops and quest rewards was good.
Anyway that is the hurry, this one is VR13, has played one character since launch, yes Zaria has not had time to play as much as many others.

Don't worry and watch the guild chats and forums, probably some exploits who let you level fast reach 14 and start an alt

Yeah, I'm an exploiter for not wanting to grind out levels that will be pointless in a few months anyways.

Congratulations you win the game.

ExiledKhallisi

takes the same amount of time as before.... math is hard

dharbert

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

takes the same amount of time as before.... math is hard

Not even close.

They reduced the amount of VP/XP required to gain a vet level by 72%, but cut VP/XP gain by 98%. They need to adjust it 26% and it will be close to being right. Even doing that, it's going to take forever and a day to gain a vet level.

Helric

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

takes the same amount of time as before.... math is hard

I want to believe but the truth is out there...

Cherryblossom

As currently I'm getting 499xp per quest and I'm Vet 3. I now need another 600000 to hit V4, so I do hope there is more than 1000+ quests for me to do in this area!!!!!!!!!!!

xaraan

Also: you won't get that much XP from all quests. Just like the major quest chain turn-ins. I was getting like only a few hundred xp for most side quest turn ins. Only 300ish xp for killing a 3 pip world boss over my level by a few levels. At this rate i should be done with all content before my V8 characters hits V9.

Laplace

I am sorely regretting not doing Craglorn grinds.

ZOS, you didn't just drop the ball, you threw it into the Grand Canyon.

Qhival

perhaps the achievement xp makes up for it?

Averya_Teira

I think we would all like a dev to answer our questions now...

Wasn't the change from VP to XP supposed to help us level FASTER through veteran ranks O.o ?

Is this situation intended or a bug ?

@ZOS_GinaBruno ??

c0rp

@zos_ginaBruno @zos_paulSage @zos_mattfiror Leveling in Vet content is broken...can someone please acknowledge?

Dagoth_Rac

I reported this almost 3 weeks ago on PTS and bugged/feedbacked it.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/136087/gaining-xp-on-pts-vet-content-versus-gaining-vp-in-vet-content-on-live

Actually playing through the game content was a slow but viable way of gaining a VR rank per zone. You didn't even need to grind in Craglorn to gain VR10+ levels. Doing the story quests and clearing the delves in Craglorn gave you boatloads of VP.

Now it is grind or go home. :-(

Paske

I was leveling my alt ( V2 ) today , some 2 hours of game time - made aprox 80k XP in combination of quests, pub dungeon and PVP.

Needless to say I am less then impressed.

I could have done better if I tried, but it just killed me.

Before patch 5 we could have at least grind Craglorn. Now that option is out due to nerf of monster kill XP.

I left the game early on because leveling was FUBAR.
Non vet levels were promised, Craglorn grind came, we were happy. Now this ...

When Champion points come how long will it take for us to get one ?

Bad decision ZOS, very bad decision.

Gyudan

Well, you asked for ZoS to fix VP grind in Craglorn and now it is indeed fixed.
I hope you enjoy killing zombies!

Sablemane

Well this is terrible news! The first thread to actually make me worry about the future of ESO. I truly hope this is addressed very soon!