VP vs. XP

Nazon_Katts

Think XP pots would sell just nicely with the current xp gain rate. Then we got chests and keys, too... Dunno, but it seems to me someone flipped a certain switch too early.

Cogo

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

@Cogo‌ A vr rank per day?! Maybe, if you have nothing else to do. I've been playing from launch, I have 2 vr6 characters. Yes, you can call me a filthy casual.
The exp increase was promised to us and it was indeed supposed to be *much* higher, like 5x faster levelling in vr ranks. Yet what happened was exp decrease...
How is this a problem for you, I don't understand. You don't like getting exp?
I'm sure most of the players feel that the exp amount to gain levels in vr ranks has been too much.

I played at launch as well. I am vet 7. (Vet 8 when I breath on a mob)

Most of the players, including many here in this tread have stated exp is faster. But like you say, not "much" faster.

How much faster you want? Wanna buy a free level 90...sorry, free level 50?

like 5x faster

When did ZoS say anything about how much faster? They said it was going to be faster and it is!

5 times? Gez, talk about expectations.... 5 TIMES?!?!?

I like ESO, a lot! I don't want to see ESO get turned into a WoW clone.
I am not alone in my view on this......

skibicki

i rather they go back to the old system then this atleast then i could finish a zone and actualy level. but i cant do that with this new system how it is now and i have no desire to grind out 500-600k xp after i finish a zone

Cogo

Adhal wrote: »

Dalcboy wrote: »

The whole VR System was a terrible idea in the first place. After I hit VR1 and figured I had to play through the other factions quests, I quickly hit the unsub button. I'm hoping the champion system does away with the whole sliver/what-chya-call-it because now I truly understand why the population of this game has taken a serious nose dive. F2P by the 3rd Quarter of 2015?

The population hasn't taken a nose dive, there are still a ton of people playing. Yes VR was a mistake and they are going to be correcting that, it's not going f2p anytime soon, I personally have seen tons of new players/people resubbing since I started playing again last month. 1.5 was a great patch content wise, and while the exp is a huge issue, I expect it will be solved either Friday or Monday. Should they have paid attention more, yes. However it is a mmo and after playing MMOs for 15+ years, this *** happens a lot and if you don't have the patience for it then MMOs are not for you.

Outstanding comment. I agree fully. Even though I see exp as not a problem, which we don't agree one. I salute you for your comment!

pppontus

Cogo wrote: »

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

@Cogo‌ A vr rank per day?! Maybe, if you have nothing else to do. I've been playing from launch, I have 2 vr6 characters. Yes, you can call me a filthy casual.
The exp increase was promised to us and it was indeed supposed to be *much* higher, like 5x faster levelling in vr ranks. Yet what happened was exp decrease...
How is this a problem for you, I don't understand. You don't like getting exp?
I'm sure most of the players feel that the exp amount to gain levels in vr ranks has been too much.

I played at launch as well. I am vet 7. (Vet 8 when I breath on a mob)

Most of the players, including many here in this tread have stated exp is faster. But like you say, not "much" faster.

How much faster you want? Wanna buy a free level 90...sorry, free level 50?

like 5x faster

When did ZoS say anything about how much faster? They said it was going to be faster and it is!

5 times? Gez, talk about expectations.... 5 TIMES?!?!?

I like ESO, a lot! I don't want to see ESO get turned into a WoW clone.
I am not alone in my view on this......

I think you're confused... no matter what I do the math on it is way slower than it used to be. Questing, killing trash, killing bosses, dungeons, trials. You name it, the XP you get is nothing. I counted it to 25000 miniboss VR12 Storm Atronachs per level, or 8000 Craglorn Wasps, or somewhere around 125 quests (which a zone has about 30-40 of) depending on which type of quest. You will NOT gain a level per VR zone as it was before, so if you started at VR1 now and quested all the VR1-10 zones you'd be somewhere around VR4 when finished.

Have fun.

Or wait until ZOS fixes the issue that they have confirmed was not intended.

lordspyder

Cogo wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Please look at the answers here. People think its a "loss" to play, because they do not get enough exp? They don't loose anything by getting exp.
They just don't gain massive exp by running around killing the same targets in Craglorn like headless chickens.

Look at the answers! "I am going to play an alt until this is fixed for veteran players".
If you give in to this, then these are the whining comments you will get when 1.6 and Champion points comes in.

Do the numbers. It takes less time to get a rank now then it did before 1.5.
You are only encouraging "grind"- behavior by saying there will be more exp.

Any dungeon run gives much more exp now then pre 1.5
Explore exp gives huge exp boost if you have a lot of explore traits on.
Cyrodiil gives...a lot (if you are in a large group and do battles)

Quest exp seams to give a bit more then Veteran points did.

Please don't dumb down ESO?

The easier exp and extra skill points that was given in 1.5, was a big concern to a lot of players. Players who don't come to these forum because they are...and I quote "To toxic".

The exp right now is still to fast, but wasn't the big bad wolf people feared.
Please consider the bulk of the player base, who is not here on these forums. They are busy having fun in the game.

You are wrong. We get far less XP than we USED to with VP. It used to be that I would get 1 VR per zone if I did a full clear. I was 50% done with Greenshade and about 75% of the way to VR4 now continuing this trend I should of hit VR4 at about 75% completion of the zone. But with 1.5 I fully cleared the rest of the zone and then had to grind MOBs to fill out the rest of the way. This has in fact cut XP gain in half. And means that if I conntinue to play that main I won't be anywhere near VR 10 before I have done all of Cadwell's gold. So my only options are to either grind or go to Cyrodill. (No thank you) So I'm currently leveling an alt till this is fixed

Valymer

@Cogo makes some decent points, but the thing is that you can't drastically change the way that EXP is earned at this point in the game, because people that are already max level would have an enormous advantage over those that are still leveling up. If they wanted people to level slower, they should have made it that way from launch and/or nerfed Craglorn grinding before everyone and their grandmothers hit VR14.

thorntk421

How is the current broken exp not a problem? I have a V4 in Riften right now and quest turn ins are giving around 90% less exp than they did pre 1.5!! At this rate doing every quest in every zone while doing Cadwells silver and gold might get a person to V5. That is a huge problem.

zaria

Cogo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, we'd like to address the concerns with the change we recently made to experience points and gaining Veteran Levels. Update 5 introduced a new system where all Veteran Points were converted to use XP instead, as part of our phased rollout of the Champion System. The plan was for this to reduce the amount of time it would take to gain a Veteran Rank. However, we discovered an issue where you are not currently gaining as much XP as we intended. Fixing this issue is one of our top priorities. We are currently aiming to have this fixed in our next incremental patch, which will allow you to progress though Veteran Ranks at a faster rate than what you’re currently seeing in-game. Thank you for your patience and understanding!

You have got to be joking?

The exp is to fast already. Cyro gives tons. Solo give tons exp. What does NOT give tons of exp are the grind spots in Craglorn.

I hope the increase in exp isnt much higher. Common! Explore exp? Open chest exp? I am trying my best not to gain a rank per day.

When are ZOS going to start to listen to all players? Not just those who cries the highest?

Think the problem is the lower VR levels, at high a lot is compensated by reducing the xp needed to increase one level.
For VR13 to 14 this went from 5.5 million to 1.4 million who is the new max.

I suspect they wanted to slow xp gain a bit to compensate but not as much as now.

More of an problem if lower level VR levels don't give loot and XP as its I understand is planned.
I run into this in normal play in Reaper mash and it was not fun, no problem if doing things way below your level but if you do all the quests, dungeons, bosses and dolmens you will get 5 level above the content around level 40, worse if you do lots of pvp.

Robocles

skibicki wrote: »

@cogo umm you want people to play like you now? questing and finishing the zones should get you to atleast vr10 like it used to now you be lucky to hit half of that which would force people to either grind or pvp. pretty sure most want that since that is pretty common game design for most mmo's

Read his post history... and you'll quickly see why most of us ignore him.

Robocles

Would it be wrong to point out that their shiny new 2h line was borked for weeks on the pts and they ignored that, too? I mean, really, you can block and dodge your own heals?

nalimoleb14_ESO

Still no word yet on whether we should bother with questing until the EXP issue is fixed, huh? Sigh. Back to Skyrim.

thorntk421

nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

Still no word yet on whether we should bother with questing until the EXP issue is fixed, huh? Sigh. Back to Skyrim.

Yeah, I wouldn't, and am not doing any VR questing till it's fixed. It's pointless. I just happened to be paying close attention to exp awards Sunday night before the patch because, I was close to getting V5
Pre patch I was getting around 55k exp for major quests and around 5k for minor. Monday, after patch. Major quests are giving just under 5k and minor less than 500!

Cogo

thorntk421 wrote: »

nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

Still no word yet on whether we should bother with questing until the EXP issue is fixed, huh? Sigh. Back to Skyrim.

Yeah, I wouldn't, and am not doing any VR questing till it's fixed. It's pointless. I just happened to be paying close attention to exp awards Sunday night before the patch because, I was close to getting V5
Pre patch I was getting around 55k exp for major quests and around 5k for minor. Monday, after patch. Major quests are giving just under 5k and minor less than 500!

You didn't get any exp in Veteran ranks before 1.5. You got Veteran points.
Veteran points is not the same as exp. Exp was replaced instead of Veteran points. You earn exp from a lot more sources then you did Veteran points.

You can not compare them.

Zenimax was quite clear on how much Experience was needed for ALL ranks.
Every rank needs the same exp to get to the next. Veteran points was different in every rank.

thorntk421

Cogo wrote: »

thorntk421 wrote: »

nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

Still no word yet on whether we should bother with questing until the EXP issue is fixed, huh? Sigh. Back to Skyrim.

Yeah, I wouldn't, and am not doing any VR questing till it's fixed. It's pointless. I just happened to be paying close attention to exp awards Sunday night before the patch because, I was close to getting V5
Pre patch I was getting around 55k exp for major quests and around 5k for minor. Monday, after patch. Major quests are giving just under 5k and minor less than 500!

You didn't get any exp in Veteran ranks before 1.5. You got Veteran points.
Veteran points is not the same as exp. Exp was replaced instead of Veteran points. You earn exp from a lot more sources then you did Veteran points.

You can not compare them.

Zenimax was quite clear on how much Experience was needed for ALL ranks.
Every rank needs the same exp to get to the next. Veteran points was different in every rank.

Yes, that's true. But, it's also true that with the new "exp" clearing every zone through Cadwells silver and gold will only get you to V5. Again I ask. How is that not a problem?

DigitalHype

Cogo wrote: »

You didn't get any exp in Veteran ranks before 1.5. You got Veteran points.
Veteran points is not the same as exp. Exp was replaced instead of Veteran points. You earn exp from a lot more sources then you did Veteran points.

You can not compare them.

Try not to get too hung up on the title of this thread. It is misleading. The problem isn't less XP than VP. Whether or not folks are comparing them is irrelevant to the observed behavior change.

The rate of VR level progression has slowed dramatically. We are doing the same things, but seeing less increase in VR level from it.

Prior to patch, I could complete the zone's quests, dolmens, wb, and public dungeon clear, and would consistently end up with at least 1 VR level gain. Now, that will be lucky to give the player 25% of a VR level gain.

Robocles

Edit: Nope... not going down the rabbit hole with him.

Nestor

Cogo wrote: »

You didn't get any exp in Veteran ranks before 1.5. You got Veteran points.
Veteran points is not the same as exp. Exp was replaced instead of Veteran points. You earn exp from a lot more sources then you did Veteran points.

You can not compare them.

It does not matter if the points are called XP, VP or Pokemon Poops, there are not enough of them given out by the game to advance your character unless you grind and grind mobs.

The problem is, activities in the game do not count as much as was promised by ZOS. Patch notes say you should gain VR Ranks faster with 1.5. That is not true.

zaria

thorntk421 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

thorntk421 wrote: »

nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

Still no word yet on whether we should bother with questing until the EXP issue is fixed, huh? Sigh. Back to Skyrim.

Yeah, I wouldn't, and am not doing any VR questing till it's fixed. It's pointless. I just happened to be paying close attention to exp awards Sunday night before the patch because, I was close to getting V5
Pre patch I was getting around 55k exp for major quests and around 5k for minor. Monday, after patch. Major quests are giving just under 5k and minor less than 500!

You didn't get any exp in Veteran ranks before 1.5. You got Veteran points.
Veteran points is not the same as exp. Exp was replaced instead of Veteran points. You earn exp from a lot more sources then you did Veteran points.

You can not compare them.

Zenimax was quite clear on how much Experience was needed for ALL ranks.
Every rank needs the same exp to get to the next. Veteran points was different in every rank.

Yes, that's true. But, it's also true that with the new "exp" clearing every zone through Cadwells silver and gold will only get you to V5. Again I ask. How is that not a problem?

Its a problem and an confirmed bug, had they not removed the Tuesday maintenance it would probably be fixed already.

Still some chance of leveling will be slower from VR1-9 than before the patch, VR10-14 will be faster.

NukeAllTheThings

prior to 1.5.2 at V6 it took 2,736,000 to level. World bosses gave 54,726 for completion. After 1.5.2 I killed a V10 world boss that gave me 3,165. Dolmen in v10 now give me around 4k for completion for the 1st time where as V8 used to give me 73k

stunning

I see they have sent in their spin doctors to say everything is fine -- don't fix the problem just say it is fine enough and everyone will be happy. Get Real -- If they don't fix this soon they are going to loose a lot of players and all your peeing on my booths and telling me it's a rain storm will not change it.

richard.skwashub17_ESO

i agree with everyone about the exp bug issue and i really regret not taking full advantage on lvl grinding in craglorn...but i see this as an opportunity to do other things instead of focusing on lvling to the max! Hell start or continue lvling your low level character until they get this situation fix then get back on to your VR character! but thats just me cause wth do i know about playing this game!

Adhal

Just want to point out again because I'm seeing some arguing about it, exp is much slower. People on the higher vr ranks might not notice it, but if you are on the low end of vr and questing it is painfully obvious. Prior to the patch you could get to vr11-12 by completing your vr1-vr10 zones, under current rate you will only hit vr5-6. That leaves nothing to do for solo players but grind for 8-9 vet levels.

That isn't just unacceptable, that is horrible game design. Anyone trying to defend that kind of exp rate needs to really step back and take that in. If you think that this is OK and they shouldnt fix that, you must really be trying to drive people away from the game. And if grinding is what they intended us to do, they should have left all the craglorn grinds alone. Luckily ZOS has stated this is not intended. I'm not calling for ZOS's head, bugs are part of MMOs, but you can't sit and say there is nothing wrong here.

And just to clarify I'm not just speaking with no experience here, I have a VR10 from when 10 was the cap, every quest done, and a vr 12 from when 12 was the cap, every quest done. I am starting ove on EP to join friends and currently am at vr3. Suffice to say I'm well aware of where I should be level wise and where every quest in the zone is.

Garetth

"Wait, i have a level 21 tank i started a few days back. You are saying it would take me longer to reach say Vr10 or VR11 when i finish all 3 factions?? Or i will never reach VR10/VR11 when i completed all quests for factions?"

As the xp currently is you would probably be about V5 after completing all factions.

Garetth

"The rate at which you progress through the Veteran Ranks now doesn't really matter, because you're still building XP which is invested in the Champion System. We don't yet know how much XP will be required to gain Champion Points or otherwise progress in that system."


Champion system points will be awarded based on Veteran rank at the time the system is implemented so xp gain AND veteran ranks are still very important.

ZOS is only tracking xp gain for those players already V14 so that is no help for players currently below V14.

Emeliana

"Cogo wrote: »

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Do the numbers. It takes less time to get a rank now then it did before 1.5.

Really? Ok then;

- We need 3 times as many XP compared to VP before patch.
- The xp-gain from quests, delves etc is down to 1/8, although it's not consistent, some players get far less than that.
- 3 x 8 = 24, so we're down to a factor of 1:24, which means there are not enough quests in Cadwells Silver and Gold to gain the level for the next map and you can't repeat the quests.

"Any dungeon run gives much more exp now then pre 1.5"

What was the game you were playing again?

Cazic

Maybe they don't want people to level up too far in Cadwell's Silver/Gold. If you can't get as high there, you're forced to go to Craglorn, Cyrodiil, do Pledges, etc. Some of that content requires grouping, so the more people there the better.

stunning

Cazic wrote: »

Maybe they don't want people to level up too far in Cadwell's Silver/Gold. If you can't get as high there, you're forced to go to Craglorn, Cyrodiil, do Pledges, etc. Some of that content requires grouping, so the more people there the better.

You won't get more people there -- they will quit and you will have far less -- and if this is what they want than watch out for a great drop in the population in the game

Potenza

I noticed something about the xp I thought was interesting after I started using an addon tracking my xp gains. I don't know if it was always like this but if you kill a mob of 1 or a mob of 3 - the xp is the same. I consistently tested this - when I killed a single enemy I got 466 xp. When I killed a group of 3 I did not get xp until the last one was killed and only got 466 xp.
I would have thought that I would get xp for each enemy killed but that has not been the case.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Honestly this should have been a priority patch...still no sight of it. Any other game would have had a patch by now for such a severe bug. The fact that they knew about this bug before they rolled out 1.5.2 makes it even worse.