PTS Patch Notes v1.4.2

zazamalek

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Calling dark cloak a near guarantee to escape is kind of hilarious especially in conjunction to this discussion.

<Invis Bats> then <Dark Cloak> then <Invis Bats> then <Dark Cloak>. This will work 100% if you don't have a DoT running on an enemy (and <Invis Bats> will very likely give you enough time to wait for that DoT to expire).

Keron

I see some good, some bad, some meh changes. I'm unexcited. Then I read the removal of my herb-farming-convenience set. I am disappointed.

Yes, you can use it to move quickly and secretly across Cyrodiil, providing a service to the rest of your group. You can achieve the same without this bonus, it just is slow and boring so people will rather mount up and be quicker (or die quicker).

Yes, you can change the set prior to engagement and reap its (non-combat) benefits without sacrificing anything.

Yes, in case you managed to get out of combat (nigh on impossible in Cyrodiil anyways due to the messed up system to determine state) and change your equipment (fighting in nights silence is kind of stupid, I tried it & failed more often than I care to admit) fast enough, it could give you an escape route.

Yes, it was the one counter for bolt escaping sorcerors, that had a slight chance of successfully catching him and stunlocking him until others would arrive for the kill.

All in all, this set provided a convenience bonus with a very situational non-combat advantage. All people complaining about combat escape: you haven't ever tried this combination over longer periods. Yes it works - once out of 10? 20? tries? And if it works, I guarantee you that escaping the fight would have worked the same without double speed bonus.

The only real reason for the change I could imagine is the fact that you could quickly and without danger of being discovered set up a tent at a strategic location.

So, instead of following the discussion in regards to tents from many threads in the alliance war forums and solving the root cause, you go and nerf this. Well played.

Consider this: If you manage to consistently aggravate even die-hard fanboys like I am with the (unnecessary) changes you do instead of fixing the things that should be fixed, you may be doing it wrong.

But then, these complaints will go the way of the turd anyways, because they do not come from the guild leader of a prominent guild. I repeat myself: Well played.

Kego

Pantherin wrote: »

Seriously?

While you are at it, lets remove the speed increase from Concealed Weapon!

Well if they like, they can change it to a 40% Snare or a 10% DMG Bonus on the next attack.

Better yet, remove the whole NB Class...as they are practically useless compared to other classes and abilities...I challenge anyone out there to post a Youtube video of a DW Vampire NB wrecking multiple folks at the same time like a DK, TP or SC

Show me a video of a DW DK, TP or SC wrecking multiple folks. If you want to do that, go Resto Staff and play Leech-Blade.

Question: How on Earth is that speed game breaking or unfair? However, I could list multiple examples of other classes and abilities that are unfair...do you watch the Youtube videos out there?

Running as fast as a horse during sneak is plain stupid and I say that as DW NB.

Fact: NBs are scouts, they are supposed to be able to move quickly and quietly across the battlefield! That is their implied role in battle tactics...

NBs can be scouts, like any other class. We can be Hard Tanks with our leeches as well or great Healer and Mages as well.

Fact: Fire damage hurts a Vampire; and every class uses fire and it is in AoE, Roots and Stuns... A DW Vampire Night Blade has to get within melee range to hit an enemy...and does not have the survive-ability of a DK, TP, or SC...now you take away the one thing they had; escape...not nearly as game breaking as that bolt ability...where you can literally bolt out of range of a spell or bow attack...

If you want to escape use Refreshing Path with 7/7 Medium Armor. Quite awesome speed to run away during combat.

Fact: We spent the hours, upon hours, upon hours grinding traits and crafting to make that crafted armor set...for nothing.

I got all my traits during the uplevel phase. Can't say I had to grind them. Same for leveling up cloth and smith. Easy to handle with just the drops out of Quests and killing Mobs.

Fact: We had to harvest, save for, wait or buy all the items needed to craft those sets (Legendary Materials)...removing the viability of wearing that set is not fair...

Get rid of Vampire and you can keep your set.

Fact: You need to focus on other classes and abilities before you completely break the will of the NB community. Leave the NB alone.

I have no issues with my Nightblade, besides the still broken Cloak mechanic.

Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

It is a sneak bonus, it is obvious that it will not work in combat but it helps you to start the combat, something other sets can't.

tomiffseb17_ESO

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Another patch.

Still no notes on fixing the issue with Nightblade's DoTs breaking their own Invisibility.
Even though it was acknowledged as unintended and we were told a fix is incoming back in May.

Oh well, maybe next patch will have something worthwhile in it.

Just for clarification about this:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
...
Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.
...

Posted May 22nd. Still waiting for a fix.

This is why the Vamp + Night stalker should still stack. Its the best viable way for a NB to move around and the best way to fight streak.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Sorcerer

Stormcalling
Streak (morph of Bolt Escape) will no longer affect more than six targets, which was resulting in a much larger amount of Ultimate gain than intended.


this makes no sence at all, the sorcerer class who can spam nock down with crystal shard and also stack it with and spam the bolt escape nock down and then even bolt escape out away from harm is ignored and allowed to be continued yet you forcefully remove the speed from us nightblades so we not only cant stop them from nocking us down repeatedly spaming it over and over again but the sorcerer can even keep up with horses.
you made it so the sorcerer is over powered yet weaken yet again the weakest class us nightblades?
please stop this, please allow us nightblades that continued speed and a way to stop the stupid nock down from bolt escape.
please

They are just fixing streak to where it was uncapped before now has a cap. I do agree that night silence and vamp passive should continue to stack. The night silence yields no game changing attack damage. Those who wear it and are caught are at an extreme disadvantage.

Exactly!!! They could use anything else that actually affects combat/survival etc.. but they just dont. So let it be.

tomiffseb17_ESO

Dominoid wrote: »

Clansman2013 wrote: »

Also agree on the stealth speed "fix" being stupid. Was it really causing that much of a problem? Honestly, it was the only way for anyone without a max level mount to have any chance at all to keep up with the crowd.

The ability for someone to completely run away from an encounter at will? Yes. This was a problem.

Can you mount your horse in combat? No. Ok then.

Hi again.

So you actually sad because you cant get AP for killing them if they escape. So you are also standing in the bat swarm right? Because we should never flee.. right?

Cody

Pantherin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

DEUTSCHE PTS-PATCHNOTIZEN v1.4.2
Notes de version PTS 1.4.2

[*] Vampire

• Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment.

Seriously?

While you are at it, lets remove the speed increase from Concealed Weapon!

Better yet, remove the whole NB Class...as they are practically useless compared to other classes and abilities...I challenge anyone out there to post a Youtube video of a DW Vampire NB wrecking multiple folks at the same time like a DK, TP or SC

Fact: Speed and Stealth are the only things keeping us in the PvP fight...it sure isn't our damage output or survive-ability.

Question: How on Earth is that speed game breaking or unfair? However, I could list multiple examples of other classes and abilities that are unfair...do you watch the Youtube videos out there?

Fact: NBs are scouts, they are supposed to be able to move quickly and quietly across the battlefield! That is their implied role in battle tactics...

Fact: Fire damage hurts a Vampire; and every class uses fire and it is in AoE, Roots and Stuns... A DW Vampire Night Blade has to get within melee range to hit an enemy...and does not have the survive-ability of a DK, TP, or SC...now you take away the one thing they had; escape...not nearly as game breaking as that bolt ability...where you can literally bolt out of range of a spell or bow attack...

Fact: We spent the hours, upon hours, upon hours grinding traits and crafting to make that crafted armor set...for nothing.

Fact: We had to harvest, save for, wait or buy all the items needed to craft those sets (Legendary Materials)...removing the viability of wearing that set is not fair...

Fact: You need to focus on other classes and abilities before you completely break the will of the NB community. Leave the NB alone.

What happen to the comment we will not take away from as much as add to other classes to bring them in line with other classes? (or words to that effect).

Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

Fact: Speed of the Vampire NB should not be your focus...there are many, many, many other issues you have yet to address or even mention...from beta to launch...that are still not fixed!!

Well I guess I will retire my NB...and turn her into a crafter mule...

Before I spend hours and hours grinding another class to max level, can you please tell me what class you intend to leave alone...

Seriously frustrating!

I know and understand why people are canceling their subscriptions!

spot on.

zazamalek

tomiffseb17_ESO wrote: »

So you are also standing in the bat swarm right?

I love it how taking bat swarm damage is immediately associated with the person sitting there staring at the bat swarm, drooling on their keyboard. There are all manner of reasons why even a skilled player might not be able to get away from the bats (especially invisbats), unless, you know, you can just invisbats yourself.

I'm confused though, where in that quote did Dominoid mention bats? Why bring it up?

Elsonso

LonePirate wrote: »

What does it take to get this bug fixed which was first reported a couple of weeks ago and is a regression from the current live server?

• The E key will no longer activate the first option when talking to NPCs or accepting quests from the Alliance War boards.

Huh? I've been using that for weeks and it works.

Also, are you aware that the number keys will activate the items? 1 for the first, 2 for the second, etc? Possible work around if your E key does not work.

Braidas

srsly fix the warrior mundus stone thing

Brizz

ZOS are you listening?! Your players want to keep the stealth speed stacking - it is not overpowered in the least to warrant a nerf.

Cogo

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

• Why is it that every patch there is a patch that fixes a skill from Sorcerer,Dk, and Templar?
• Why is it when we finally get a fix for a night blade skill I never know what it is until they supposedly fix it?
• Why have they not fix shadow cloak and some skills like veiled strike?
  Everybody and they Grandma can break us out of stealth. Veiled strike is suppose to be instant be there is delay in the skill. Plus the skill does not always does damage.
• Why do we not have a effective defensive skill?
• Why is attack speed not noticeable?
• Why can't haste work with bows?
• Why did siphoning strikes and its morph get nerf from 4% to 3% but still has the weapon and spell power debuff?
• Why is the Agony skill and Aspect of Terror skill target very few targets for too much magic?
• Why is the shadow image ability will not let me teleport to it?
• Why is the shadow image ability allow me to only teleport to it once?
• Why does night blade only have two synergy skills and they are ultimates and why our cheap party heals really does not heal a lot?
• Why is most of night blade abilities are single target when most enemies in the game come in pairs of two and more?
• What is point of of night blades if some of our class only skills do not work?
• Why do night blade skills have debuffs in their skills like, shades, siphoning strikes, and mark target?
• Why is all enemies in the game doing more bow damage than me?
• Why is when a enemy just has one weapon they can use dual wield abilities but when I want to do it I can't?
• Why I cannot just play with one weapon why do I have to have a shield?
• Why change so much but cause everybody to have to adapt? Why can you ease into these situations Like the provisioning revamp and the clothing revamp?
• Why do you want to ease class balances but revamp other game mechanics really fast?
• Why is the bow heavy so slow?
• Why are moves so situational in this game but I never have the right skills at the right time?
• What is love? because this game is hurting me.
• Why is the alchemy skill medical use never work properly?
• Why have you not fix the warrior stone yet it has been three weeks?
• Why don't you hot fix errors why wait until a big update just to have more errors down the line?
• Why don't you let us know why your not doing these things? It would make me feel better.
• Why do I have to change the rarity of enchant potion speed for vet potions to work and why have this not been explain in detail yet?
• Why are you nerfing other classes but not fixing their broken skills?
• When are going to fix the group finder?
• What is the difference between Dodge and Miss?
• Why is the roll too short?
  When I roll back I still get hit by attacks?
• Why do we not have an agility attribute?
• What are you afraid of night blades becoming if you buff their skills?
• Where is the hope of fixes for our broken combat mechanics?
  

I have been patiently waiting for somethings to change but it seems like I would never get answers. So I felt like getting somethings off my chest while waiting for things to give me hope.

To many! You could just asked Why the heck they are nerfing the exp needed to get Vet 13 and vet 14! That sums it up!

reften

Exploration & Itemization
Achievements •Fixed an issue where you would not be awarded the achievement for clearing Dragonstar Arena until after you re-logged into the game.

Glad you're fixing achievements for the new stuff...but what about the Reaper's March areas that don't update in journal? Ozuk's camp and Willowgrove whatever...hate that these two ultra minor areas are keeping me from completing a string of achievements...

tomiffseb17_ESO

zazamalek wrote: »

tomiffseb17_ESO wrote: »

So you are also standing in the bat swarm right?

I love it how taking bat swarm damage is immediately associated with the person sitting there staring at the bat swarm, drooling on their keyboard. There are all manner of reasons why even a skilled player might not be able to get away from the bats (especially invisbats), unless, you know, you can just invisbats yourself.

I'm confused though, where in that quote did Dominoid mention bats? Why bring it up?

He said people running away from encounters was a problem.
Obviously if you have no chance, or things about to turn bad you try to avoid that. As a NB you have to run away a few times. And no dont say that i can just use shield and tank them because thats not how i play. If i got unlucky with my attack ill try to save myself and strike again when the opportuniy comes

Lorkhan

anyone can be a vamp + anyone can use night silence set. that stealth speed bonus was a build that any player could use, regardless of class choice. even so just a minority of player choose to use then because u r giving up power, resilience, recovery, etc. i cant understand why u guys r changing this. why dont you speed up the horses???? that horse is ridiculously slow, man. cmon

Samadhi

zazamalek wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

- Almost no chance of being spotted vs. being spotted at view distance
- Knowledge of any enemies you do run across (detection warning from eye)
- No stun from being attacked (knocked off horse) unless a specific stun attack was used
- No speed penalty, except to maybe the fastest speed horses

To add to that:

- With <Dark Cloak>, a near-guarantee to escape from average players (and the Sorc blink was nerfed for the exact same reason)

...

Dark Cloak doesn't activate the Night's Silence bonus.
Night's Silence only activates when completely out of combat, and only via Sneak.

Samadhi

Kego wrote: »

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Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

It is a sneak bonus, it is obvious that it will not work in combat but it helps you to start the combat, something other sets can't.

Stygian set is a far better Sneak bonus.
Increases damage on Sneak Attacks and in combat when using Invisibility.

Lorkhan

Samadhi wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

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Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

It is a sneak bonus, it is obvious that it will not work in combat but it helps you to start the combat, something other sets can't.

Stygian set is a far better Sneak bonus.
Increases damage on Sneak Attacks and in combat when using Invisibility.

no.... i dont want damage. i want positioning

kevlarto_ESO

Sounds like good things to me, no more 180% run speeds in game is a good thing, I am nightblade, and I seen this coming a long ways off, no surprise.

Samadhi

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

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Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

It is a sneak bonus, it is obvious that it will not work in combat but it helps you to start the combat, something other sets can't.

Stygian set is a far better Sneak bonus.
Increases damage on Sneak Attacks and in combat when using Invisibility.

no.... i dont want damage. i want positioning

So you don't want combat benefit, you want out of combat scouting capability.
I see no issue with you having that. Not participating in combat is probably important to you.

Personally, I open with Ambush. I neither need nor use Sneak speed for openers.
It would be foolish to do so and sacrifice actual combat bonuses to get it.
Having a set bonus that actually benefits participation in combat is important to me.

Lorkhan

Samadhi wrote: »

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

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Fact: The armor bonus do not work in combat, yet all other armor set bonuses do work in combat - did we complain, no.

It is a sneak bonus, it is obvious that it will not work in combat but it helps you to start the combat, something other sets can't.

Stygian set is a far better Sneak bonus.
Increases damage on Sneak Attacks and in combat when using Invisibility.

no.... i dont want damage. i want positioning

So you don't want combat benefit, you want out of combat scouting capability.
I see no issue with you having that. Not participating in combat is probably important to you.

Personally, I open with Ambush. I neither need nor use Sneak speed for openers.
It would be foolish to do so and sacrifice actual combat bonuses to get it.
Having a set bonus that actually benefits participation in combat is important to me.

good for you

Maura_Bosch

What a bunch of BS, nixing the dark stalker vamp combo? You're a vampire and NS isn't that great of a set, PLUS you have to add some flame resist to jewelery since you are made of paper otherwise.

This is to make us use the dumb ass horses right? If this is the case, make horses killable, or at least punchable. [E](use) PUNCH HORSE.

Or is this a harvesting thing? Harvesting in stealth?

HOW ABOUT CYRODIL armor sets, with Cyrodil stats only working in Cyrodil. Then the people who mostly PvE don't get hit with stupid shenanigans fixing PvP.

This is one of the first things to actually *** me off, playing through beta till now. I've played and dealt with problems that arose, bugs or whatever, but damn this Nights Silence/Dark Stalker combo thing irks the hell out of me.

Xanthro

zazamalek wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

- Almost no chance of being spotted vs. being spotted at view distance
- Knowledge of any enemies you do run across (detection warning from eye)
- No stun from being attacked (knocked off horse) unless a specific stun attack was used
- No speed penalty, except to maybe the fastest speed horses

To add to that:

- With <Dark Cloak>, a near-guarantee to escape from average players (and the Sorc blink was nerfed for the exact same reason)

You know what works better than exploiting? Not exploiting. I look forward to every patch because every patch directly and indirectly buffs my characters. If you exploit and your stuff gets nerfed, you made the choice to exploit. ZOS are simply fixing bugs, nobody forced you to abuse those bugs - you took a risk, it didn't work out, move on.

Casting Mistform and hitting alt alt to drop out of mistform, yet still get the damage reduction, so you can cast spells is exploiting.
Using an item set exactly as intended by the description, after getting confirmation during PTS and when it went live that this is exactly how it is supposed to work, that is not an exploit.
A seducer set stacking with vampire passive regeneration isn't an exploit either.
Hell, they are not even novel ways of playing, as all you are doing is wearing the armor exactly as it is designed to be worn.
Dark Cloak is hardly ever a guarantee escape, and if it does allow you to escape, having Night Silence set makes no difference at all. Once I'm hidden, you are not catching me, Night Silence set or not.

Merlight

Xanthro wrote: »

Using an item set exactly as intended by the description, after getting confirmation during PTS and when it went live that this is exactly how it is supposed to work, that is not an exploit.

Could someone please give a link to said confirmation? All I found was a pretty hilarious topic Night's Silence Set Bonus Broken, in which one player saw ridiculous sneak speeds coming. With no response from ZOS, of course.

Seriously, if you think sneaking side by side a running horse is ok, you've not given up a 5-piece set bonus only, you've given up your sanity.

driosketch

As a non vampire using night silence on two characters, rapid maneuvers seems to stack with the set bonus.

Lorkhan

driosketch wrote: »

As a non vampire using night silence on two characters, rapid maneuvers seems to stack with the set bonus.

speed potion stack too...so what?

inf.toniceb17_ESO

Bad move with sneak speed nerf. You should have set a hardcap on sneak speed. Say 130-140% max.

Xanthro

Merlight wrote: »

Xanthro wrote: »

Using an item set exactly as intended by the description, after getting confirmation during PTS and when it went live that this is exactly how it is supposed to work, that is not an exploit.

Could someone please give a link to said confirmation? All I found was a pretty hilarious topic Night's Silence Set Bonus Broken, in which one player saw ridiculous sneak speeds coming. With no response from ZOS, of course.

Seriously, if you think sneaking side by side a running horse is ok, you've not given up a 5-piece set bonus only, you've given up your sanity.

Many people, including me, asked specifically in game whether this speed bonus was going to stay, because it is quite fast. This was in both the test and live, before we crafted the sets.
Even the fastest sneak is not as fast as horses. I have the fastest sneak in the game, I still can't catch a sprinting horse, unless no points to speed have been put in.
Nor can those speeds be done with just a five piece bonus set. You have to also be a vampire, which has negatives, be a Nightblade with concealed weapon, which means less damage and concealed weapon doesn't exactly work with many builds, and you need the speed mundus stone.
Those are all opportunities you give up for more damage or suitability to that you can move faster out of combat.
Plus, why shouldn't you move faster in stealth than out of it? Because you don't like it? It's a game. It's built around balance. Getting into stealth takes time, breaking combat takes time. If the set worked out of stealth, literally everyone would use it because you'd have to. You couldn't catch someone if they didn't have it.
Plus, just view vampire, concealed weapon stealth as moving through another dimension, where movement is faster, if you need some rational explanation for something in a game where you come back to life after being killed and you have endless arrows and pull catapults out of your ass.

leeux

oren74 wrote: »

Glad you're fixing achievements for the new stuff...but what about the Reaper's March areas that don't update in journal? Ozuk's camp and Willowgrove whatever...

Yeah... Agreed. I'm in the same situation, and I reported the bug in game and received no answer.

R0M2K

Loled badly at the NS set "fix".

polar

Xanthro- I agree. I think it is so funny (and strange?) how many people want to say "that just isn't realistic!" to being fast in stealth while they are playing a game in which they fight trolls, cast spells, make a horse appear out of thin air, carry around 25 siege engines in your backpack (or more if you want) etc. I think the reality of things is that the folks saying that speed gives an unfair advantage and needs to be nerfed are, in fact, just advancing their feelings that they don't like it when anyone else in the game is stronger in an aspect than they are. In a perfect world, they will be the best in all areas and until they are, we will get the people whining about what others can do that they cant. Sadly ZOS listens to these whiners and doesn't focus on the real issues that need to be fixed.