Radiate77 wrote: »

I also have to say, if we’re going to backpedal every week on the value of individual skill lines, and make them inseparable from their core class, just roll back Subclassing.

I have been the biggest advocate for the system, and have made incredibly effective thematic builds for several friends and myself and the idea that you can’t use Whip as a spammable if you Subclass into Ardent Flame goes completely against the very philosophy that made Subclassing a great idea to begin with.

Seeing this makes me feel like an idiot.

I feel stupid for wasting my time and energy on this system now that your team has decided to trample it.

So once again, just roll back Subclassing if you’re not going to commit. I’ll move on from the game happily.

I'm not that pessimistic. I believe that combining the New-DK class with other classes slated for rework is the only way to truly allow subclasses to thrive without spiraling out of control. The current subclasses are like building blocks, constantly stacking higher and higher, which is precisely why their power is spiraling out of control. The new reworked classes are more like a jigsaw puzzle; each skill line has its strengths and weaknesses. Pure classes are like pre-designed pictures provided by the developers, but if players want to create something different, they need to use their ingenuity to combine different skill lines according to their own needs to piece together a completely new picture.

Dragon Leap: This Ultimate and its morphs now determine what type of CC will play based on the type of enemy they hit. Players are knocked back 4 meters and stunned for 2 seconds, while monsters are knocked into the air and stunned for 3 seconds. This change was done based on the discussions we saw come up - where much of the powerful feeling and benefits of knocking enemies away is lost in the context of PvE.

YES!!! thankyou ZOS for looking into this as the fix for leaps knockback/knock up CC issues for PvE DDs.

It definitely was a massive pain point for PvE DDs unstacking their tanks stacked pulls, but in PvP (and visually) the knockback just felt so much better, so I am glad to see that we are getting the best of both worlds here.

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In regards to flame lash specifically, this change feels the right direction, but I would like to see consideration to potentially adjusting the values slightly and allowing it to work in PvP as well. Something along the lines of grants +5% increased damage done with DK abilities after casting, this bonus doubles (or triples) against monsters.

Gives Flame Lash just a little bit more oomph in PvP to allow it as a slightly less damaging but better survivability option to wear down enemies compared to molten whips massive burst potential (that is comparable to Merciless Resolve as it currently sits on PTS) while still keeping the intended goal of closing the much bigger gap it has in PvE.

I've seen a bunch of people complaining about having to grind all the glorp[*] you need before you can get into the trial.

Quite frankly one the problems is the drop rates and ESO's 100% untrusted RNG. The Night Market is plenty difficult, so you can just set the drop rate to 100%. Nobody's going to be running around solo farming stuff.

Ngā mihi,
Eurymachos

* glorp. All that completely useless stuff that you are required to farm/create simply to allow you farm/create other glorp. You know, creature fat in the Writhing Wall event, or Inferium Essence in a certain Minecraft mod. It's everywhere and nobody likes it.

MSattrtand wrote: »

If it's former, I don't mind. But all skill lines should have something like that, some unique bonus, that makes this skill line stronger to use on that base class. Like every skill line for every class. Otherwise - what's the point?

If it's later, can't we just have something like x% bonus for every DK skill line instead?

I like this thought of having a skill that is stronger for the base class as it make subclassing more of a theory craft tool rather than just what it the meta damage. Also x% is a good idea for making pure classes stronger.

AzuraFan wrote: »

you could enter the zone and spontaneously group with other players (without actually grouping with them), sort of like when a bunch of players show up to do a dragon or a difficult WB.

You could definitely do that, and I expect that's what the vast majority of players will do.

AzuraFan wrote: »

But if you need certain roles to make it reasonably doable, that kind of flies in the face of that.

Why do you consider this to be contradictory? To use your example of the dragon, if you and three other random people are fighting a dragon, and none of you are tanks, there will almost certainly be a lot of deaths and a lot of rezzing. But if someone at the dragon is a tank, it'll be a much smoother, and easier experience.

Tanks have always made hard-hitting enemies easier.

I'm in a guild with a "different" recruiting system and so we have a variety of players all the way from people who role-play in taverns to people who have a calendar of all the vHM trials they are doing this week.

When I posted in our discord about how hard the "overland" mobs are, there were a number of people who were pretty happy about it. Even though I get rinsed every on every pull as a mod-tier solo player, I'm also happy with the difficulty. It seems to be a reasonable overland for four player groups and I think that viewing as "overland for a four person group" is probably the right way to view it.

Why is it fairly straightforward even for a duo? It's overland, if you want complicated then enter the dungeons and the trial.
Why is it tedious for a duo to kill the bosses. It's designed for four people.
Why is it really quick for 12 people? They are on their way to the trial. Why slow them down?

Does anyone else find this a useful way of looking at it?

Ngā mihi,
Eurymachos