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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
@Gabriel_H I’ve seen you go round for round in other threads that never stopped, I assume you might still be typing in them. Anyway, I do not agree with you, and I don’t believe your opinion or assessment (whatever you wanna call it) is fact. I do consider myself patient, but not enough to keep answering these questions that have nothing to do with the fact that performance is supposedly top priority above anything else but only in a specific part of ESO.
A very strong and very brave response. You are so right bro. I have to applaud how well you have provided your arguments in this thread and not been afraid or backed down from augmenting this discussion with your pve performance concerns and challenges.
Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
edward_frigidhands wrote: »@Gabriel_H I’ve seen you go round for round in other threads that never stopped, I assume you might still be typing in them. Anyway, I do not agree with you, and I don’t believe your opinion or assessment (whatever you wanna call it) is fact. I do consider myself patient, but not enough to keep answering these questions that have nothing to do with the fact that performance is supposedly top priority above anything else but only in a specific part of ESO.
A very strong and very brave response. You are so right bro. I have to applaud how well you have provided your arguments in this thread and not been afraid or backed down from augmenting this discussion with your pve performance concerns and challenges.
Hold the line Sir @edward_frigidhands
We fight and die here.
SneaK
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
edward_frigidhands wrote: »@Gabriel_H I’ve seen you go round for round in other threads that never stopped, I assume you might still be typing in them. Anyway, I do not agree with you, and I don’t believe your opinion or assessment (whatever you wanna call it) is fact. I do consider myself patient, but not enough to keep answering these questions that have nothing to do with the fact that performance is supposedly top priority above anything else but only in a specific part of ESO.
A very strong and very brave response. You are so right bro. I have to applaud how well you have provided your arguments in this thread and not been afraid or backed down from augmenting this discussion with your pve performance concerns and challenges.
Hold the line Sir @edward_frigidhands
We fight and die here.
For Tamriel. And server performance.
Re: Infinite Archive & Imperial City: Weekly Vendors between November 25 and December 2, 2025
Thank you 
Buffy121
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Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »It's funny how the PvE community pushes so hard for vengeance but when the same system is proposed for PvE zones they freak out and throw down all kinds of reasons why the template mode is no good or not needed.
I keep seeing this. Who is pushing hard? What is the pve community? Who in their right mind thinks people speak for all people. There's pvpers saying they like this idea. Is that the pvp community? Does that mean the pvp community is pushing hard for vengeance? Let's be very clear here. Some people seem to like it and some don't. This nonsense that there's some secret cabal of pve players trying to take down Cyro is wild. You guys have legit good arguments to stand on. Hyperbole and bad faith stuff do not help. The same as people posting Zos's post on reddit but carefully removing sentences to rage bait don't help. Stand on the merits.
This is me standing on merit, and I will die on this hill. No one is giving legitimate reasons to not have a PvE Vengeance ruleset. All I keep hearing is “performance isn’t an issue” to which I’ve given plenty of examples that it is. If the Vengeance ruleset is meant to solve performance issues why not have it in PvE?
Nobody is giving you legitimate reasons because we all know (including you) that your point is “waa PvPers are forced to play Vengeance and that sucks so make the game sucky for everyone!” and you’re dismissing everyone who also agreed that it’s unwanted.
So if that’s what you want, then we can be just as petulant: GH isn’t going away. IC isn’t going away. BGs aren’t going away. So realistically, PvP isn’t forced into Vengeance either. The only people this is directly going to affect, at least at the moment, are those toxic PvPers whose entire game is “farm noobs when they accidentally go in GH.” The equivalent “make PvE vengeance here would be that some trials have Vengeance mechanics and the rest and Dungeons and Arenas all proceed as normal.
As for the future, that remains to be seen. But I’ve seen a lot more PvErs who are disappointed in ZOS’s decision than PvErs who are praising it. But this whole act is going to do nothing but make you more and more salty and turn people away from your side.
tomofhyrule
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Re: If we Uninstall then Reinstall do we need to redo all our Settings?
@Gabriel_H
It doesn't hurt anything other than my irritation on why can't I find it and why just that one character. You put so much time and effort into it and I can't even express how much I appreciate it. I wish there was some way I could return the favor!
I'm not going to uninstall and reinstall like they suggested, and if I ever do find a solution you will be the first to know!
It doesn't hurt anything other than my irritation on why can't I find it and why just that one character. You put so much time and effort into it and I can't even express how much I appreciate it. I wish there was some way I could return the favor!
I'm not going to uninstall and reinstall like they suggested, and if I ever do find a solution you will be the first to know!
Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
It's funny how the PvE community pushes so hard for vengeance but when the same system is proposed for PvE zones they freak out and throw down all kinds of reasons why the template mode is no good or not needed.
Re: Vengeance ruleset for Dungeons/Etc.
BardokRedSnow wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »It's funny how the PvE community pushes so hard for vengeance but when the same system is proposed for PvE zones they freak out and throw down all kinds of reasons why the template mode is no good or not needed.
I keep seeing this. Who is pushing hard? What is the pve community?
I stopped reading here. Come on now.
You can feel free to stop reading but the answer should obvious. There is no huge cabal of players trying to kill your game mode. People keep saying a large group of pve mains. How on earth could you possibly know this except that it fits the echo chamber narrative around this issue. We see it in real life too. Players didn't do this man. Your issue is with Zenimax.
Strawman arguments are so exhausting, no one is saying there's a secret cabal of anything, but it is pretty selfish and hypocritical for pve enjoyers aka lol the "pve community" to come in pushing content they know damn well they wont play longer than it takes to get their tier 3 rewards, as the last two tests have shown.
You wanna play ignorant like you don't know what people mean by PvE community by all means but its as silly as OP pretending to want vengeance mode for dungeons.
No one is saying every last pver wants vengeance, but pretending there's not a lot of them here pushing that narrative is pointless. Maybe you haven't been paying attention to it or turned a blind eye but your perception isn't reality.
How did we get to the place where this sounds like a cable news show? Groups of people pushing the narrative? The people who enjoyed vengeance (I didn't) said they enjoyed it. Now this is something that needs to be called out as a narrative? It sucks this is happening. I personally don't go into Cyro much these days but I have really awesome memories there. If they canned it, that would be terrible. I get that people don't trust Zos but I look at it from a cost benefit perspective. What does getting rid of GH cost them and what does it benefit them. It just doesn't add up. Getting rid of it costs them players and maybe money. There isn't a lot of benefit. Adding vengeance is going to happen but I don't think grey host will go anywhere because why wouldn't they have their cake and eat it too.
It does when you have those people as well as salty pvpers calling for the removal of pvp or greyhost entirely. I don't really care about semantics arguments, the sentiment is obviously there or there wouldn't be pvpers like myself debating over any of this in the first place. OP's methods may be misguided but his desire to make pvers see how ridiculous these tests being forced on us in the first place so they can enjoy PvP for a bit wasn't born from nowhere.
The other guy said it better than me, @tomofhyrule , basically there's so little faith in what Zos says and such high suspicion because one minute they're calling it tests, and so many here said it was just a conspiracy that vengeance was gonna be made permanent, and now they're saying it will be one way or another, and Greyhost's existence while leaning yes, it will continue to exist, isn't 100 percent.
Sorry but combine that with comments about how Cyro is broken and needs to go, people are gonna see that and not be happy.
Also I hate to be that guy but you used "narrative" first between you and I lol. "Echo chamber narrative".
Damn. You got me there, I did use it first. That's why you're the pvper lol. Look brother, it sucks. And of course we have no faith in Zos. Look at everything this year, not just this. I have no faith in next year at all, not just pvp. Just like you guys, it's looking like there won't be room for a trial in this new season meta. Maybe less dungeons. God knows. We're all worried and I guess I'm getting worked up at all of us fighting each other and I get ops point but this thread is wild. It does nothing to bring the point to Zos.
Re: Home editor furnishings 30% discount?
Did not even know about this until I saw the OP's post asking about it. My Mundus Stones collection is now complete and if I'd known that this was in the pipeline, I'd have saved the few thousand extra crowns I spent earlier for the other stones. Ima go cry in my beer for a bit.
