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Re: Can we learn from New World?
New World made some mistakes that ESO, even with its own issues, did not make.
New World is closing down because they put the companies in charge of everything and did not have the Guild mechanisms in place to unite and support the masses. Who cares if Company A takes over location B. Just to raise my taxes when shopping there? And if I want to join the fight against them and take back my home well guess what... the Company leading the War only has room for the people they like and approve of. No trade guilds, no in-house auctions, no real organization for PvE runs, no Group finder either I think. Many things that helped enable group content were just not there. A large portion of the New World player base were left with nothing to do and being excluded from many things. Even ESO has ways to get you into a Trial, but I remember that was just wishful thinking when I was playing New World.
I'm sorry New World is in the fix its in, but it starts with empowering people to be part of everything the game has to offer, instead of having us work to raise political points and then lock us out of the wars and things like that. You all worked hard on flipping Windsward, but only the cool elitist crowd can fight in the war. Go do a sloppy invasion instead and get out of the way you green menace!!! Again, I'm so sorry but while New World started out in the right direction the devs there made some harrible choices and it shows. No mounts huh? That will never come back to bite us. Nope no room in the budget for mounts. ESO had that wrong, I guess. ESO needs to keep moving forward and get ready for a better year. New World's wounds were self-inflicted, and my advice is ESO needs to learn from them by not following them into obscurity.
New World is closing down because they put the companies in charge of everything and did not have the Guild mechanisms in place to unite and support the masses. Who cares if Company A takes over location B. Just to raise my taxes when shopping there? And if I want to join the fight against them and take back my home well guess what... the Company leading the War only has room for the people they like and approve of. No trade guilds, no in-house auctions, no real organization for PvE runs, no Group finder either I think. Many things that helped enable group content were just not there. A large portion of the New World player base were left with nothing to do and being excluded from many things. Even ESO has ways to get you into a Trial, but I remember that was just wishful thinking when I was playing New World.
I'm sorry New World is in the fix its in, but it starts with empowering people to be part of everything the game has to offer, instead of having us work to raise political points and then lock us out of the wars and things like that. You all worked hard on flipping Windsward, but only the cool elitist crowd can fight in the war. Go do a sloppy invasion instead and get out of the way you green menace!!! Again, I'm so sorry but while New World started out in the right direction the devs there made some harrible choices and it shows. No mounts huh? That will never come back to bite us. Nope no room in the budget for mounts. ESO had that wrong, I guess. ESO needs to keep moving forward and get ready for a better year. New World's wounds were self-inflicted, and my advice is ESO needs to learn from them by not following them into obscurity.
Vulkunne
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Re: Toppling Charge Block Bug
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cVrDfv0-fyXYA22T0Xv7atamqeTMbALloneFZaoDxcg/edit?usp=drivesdk
Above is a link for a spreadsheet I was working on at som point to better understand hit delays for ranged projectiles and dabbled a bit in gap closers. I created a "firing range" in my house with a dummy and the exact distances for 5, 7, 15, 22, and 28 meters. Used combat metrix's log with the "on cast" and " damage done" events, about 10-20 casts per skill, enough to conclude an average, sometimes rounding up/down if logical.
The log shows a range of values, usually up to 20% above or below what the actual value probably is. For example, I know all projectiles have a minimum travel time of 0.3s, but I'll get 0.295, 0.285, 0.321, 0.305, etc.
For melee coded skills, they're actually instant from when the server registers your cast. Surprise Attack for would say something like "Cast = 0.00s, Registered = 0.11s (110 ms delay), Hit = 0.11s." This is why I didn't bother checking most melee skills, unless they were a questionable hybrid like Streak or Breath.
Here's some TLDR's for gap closers ranging from 1m to 22m.
- Critical Rush = 0.024s ~ 0.42s
- Shield Charge = 0.024s ~ 0.42s
- Toppling Charge = 0.023s ~ 0.4s
- Teleport Strike = 0.46s ~ 0.46s
- Chains of Devestation = 0.5s ~ 0.65s
The 1st 3 abilities feel nearly identical, Toppling Charge was consistently 5% faster so I didn't round it, but maybe 100 more tests would prove them to be equal, not sure. They probably use the same frame work when under their animations, traveling at a constant speed to your target with no initial delay.
The biggest difference for Toppling is the animation, it has a lot of flare added with a recovery phase after you spike your spear. The animation and hit detection don't perfectly align, but this is usually acceptable practice for most games, including ESO as long as the gap isn't so large that it starts to feel laggy.
Think about this from the context of the 1m test, the hit is 0.023s, 1/10th the average human reaction time, practically instant, but the animation of the spear hitting is probably 0.5s so you're getting stunned half a second earlier than what is visually represented, this same thing will happen at 22m, just delayed by the 0.4s travel time.
This is the reason the new Jabs animation feels janky, animation implies 0.2s, 0.3s, and 1.0s... but actual registration is 0s, 0.4s, and 0.8s. Not matching the damage instances or pattern closely enough implies a different functionality, where the last hit is a big payoff which is no longer how the skill works. Probably why animation cancelling it causes the last hit to wave your spear around like a pool noodle as it transitions back into your held weapon for the next skill animation.
For the other 2 gap closers, Chains of Devastation is a projectile that probably qhas a locked in travel time of 0.5s, that then yanks the player at a very fast speed, thus why the gap between min/max range is only 0.15s, but it still has the longest total at 0.5s ~ 0.65s.
Teleport Strike has the exact same delay at any range because it uses a 0.4s cast time with a real teleport, that has a small 0.06s delay for the damage instance. It's why the skill feels clunkier the closer you get, because distance doesn't reward a faster animation like most abilities, similar experience with Mages Fury and Cliff Racer with locked in times. Of course, line of sight cancelling the cast time is also terrible..
All this to say.. my opinion on the subject is the 0.4s travel time on these gap closers feels just right, and if they were slowed down any further, they'd be added to the ever increasing clunky list of terrible abilities. Although I don't find this to be much of an issue, I can suggest 2 solutions.
First, I would start by cleaning up the animation to better match the hit detection, character doesn't need to awkwardly float and spike their spear down on the targets head, it can poke the front like Shield Charge.. as you would with a real spear.
Secondly, and I'm not a huge fan of this, could delay the stun to a seperate instance like Rune Prison with a beam of light hovering over the targets head that lands after a 1s delay, your character still travels at 0.4s over 22 meters, but the stun has a better telegraph. Although, by that point, it'd need to be undodgeable or unblockable like Rune Prison or Rune of Eldritch Horror or it would be completely useless... and if we're going this route, why is Shield Charge not a problem and allowed to stay the same.. which is my argument for just cleaning up the animation.
Seems pretty low priority if you ask me, if someone uses this, it means they're not using Streak, Fossilze, Javelin... or worse, Teleport Strike + Warden Script Contingency, all of which are better stuns imo so that's a win/win for me.
Re: Writhing Wall Event – Consolidated Messaging Thread
I see by all these positive vibes that I have basically more of the same boring, repetitive, buggy quest to go for phase 2. At least by looking at the current state of completion for all the servers, it is going to take less time to get to stage 3! I will attempt to last the distance without losing complete interest in the game.
Or maybe I should take a nap for 2 weeks and just congratulate the PC-NA server die hards when they get that wall down? I am not sure I am up to that much frustration.
Or maybe I should take a nap for 2 weeks and just congratulate the PC-NA server die hards when they get that wall down? I am not sure I am up to that much frustration.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
". . . I am told that players are farming, they have a right to farm, the game encourages farming . . . What about my 'right' to play the game I paid for? That seems to amount to nothing compared to those who want to farm."
Players can still trade and sell items via chat.
colossalvoids wrote: »
I understand. EVE Online is built around economy and people play that game. I disagree that it is a huge part of the game. I ignore it completely and still have access to all the game features which makes it feel more like a side hustle.
Our opinions of the value aside, I could not think of another way to see and end to the hate & hoard behavior. The bad behavior makes every game day feel like black Friday.
- I was playing a level 16 character on a new player island map. One or two players (both CP levels) farming an area fast-running from resource to resource, leaving the area resource bare. I waited for the resources to start spawning. Before the first one spawned, the one of the two was back collecting again. I just needed a couple plays to craft with. It took more than an hour because of these two farming the area.
- Just doing the quests there were players that ran pass me and 1-hit what I was fighting. Why? Right here in these threads, I am told that players are farming, they have a right to farm, the game encourages farming . . . What about my 'right' to play the game I paid for? That seems to amount to nothing compared to those who want to farm.
- Went into a dungeon to complete a quest. The dungeon was empty. Nothing to kill. I needed to collect items from the foes in the dungeon but had to wait for them to spawn. When the first foe spawned, it was a group of three. I started fighting. A CP 2700 jumped in with a AOE and all three were done. I got nothing. The dungeon took three times as long as it should have because two CP level players were making a circuit through the dungeon killing everything without even stopping. They were farming for leads.
As I stated, I just want to enjoy the game again. Farming players are an issue for those not playing that economy game because to many of those that are farming are disrespectful of other players. Not addressing these issues will lead to players who came for the story and questing to leave.
Farming is a normal part/activity for any MMORPG, there's nothing wrong with it.
Starter isles or zones in case of Bal Foyen have a lot of resources in a relatively small area, so naturally people looking for resources are drawn to them. I also go quite often to Bal Foyen and spend 30 - 60 minutes on farming ore, herbs and wood before moving on to other things.
Of course I have the luxury to be able able to that when there aren't too many people around, so I don't really affect anyone with it. If I run into other players farming at that time, I either leave and do something else or log out.
The public dungeon/delve problem exists unfortunately due to the events currently going on. Nothing you can do about that, except for waiting for the events to end.
Final point: Without the economy I'd be long gone since I wouldn't be able to acquire many of the motif/style pages that I want. I don't group, I can't solo most dungeons and I certainly can't solo any DLC world bosses. So I actually depend on players selling certain motif pages.
And yes, I've spent a lot of gold on these pages.
Players can still trade and sell items via chat.
shadoza
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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
SilverBride wrote: »Having an economy and selling items to make gold is vital for me to be able to afford to buy houses and the crafting materials that are needed for furnishings, which is something I enjoy.
I do NOT farm resource nodes EVER. Nothing I am doing hurts anyone.
I also enjoy questing and the story and complete every quest in every zone on all my characters, so none of those things have run me off, or even affected me negatively.
As far as dungeons, I am not sure how a dungeon would be empty when entered unless it's a public dungeon or delve that is being referred to. Players have a right to do what they need to do in order to get leads for items they need. That isn't a player made situation.
It was a delve.
I mentioned this: "Just doing the quests there were players that ran pass me and 1-hit what I was fighting. Why? Right here in these threads, I am told that players are farming, they have a right to farm, the game encourages farming . . . What about my 'right' to play the game I paid for? That seems to amount to nothing compared to those who want to farm."
So none of my issues ran you off, good for you. I am talking about my experience.
shadoza
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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
colossalvoids wrote: »
I understand. EVE Online is built around economy and people play that game. I disagree that it is a huge part of the game. I ignore it completely and still have access to all the game features which makes it feel more like a side hustle.
Our opinions of the value aside, I could not think of another way to see and end to the hate & hoard behavior. The bad behavior makes every game day feel like black Friday.
- I was playing a level 16 character on a new player island map. One or two players (both CP levels) farming an area fast-running from resource to resource, leaving the area resource bare. I waited for the resources to start spawning. Before the first one spawned, the one of the two was back collecting again. I just needed a couple plays to craft with. It took more than an hour because of these two farming the area.
- Just doing the quests there were players that ran pass me and 1-hit what I was fighting. Why? Right here in these threads, I am told that players are farming, they have a right to farm, the game encourages farming . . . What about my 'right' to play the game I paid for? That seems to amount to nothing compared to those who want to farm.
- Went into a dungeon to complete a quest. The dungeon was empty. Nothing to kill. I needed to collect items from the foes in the dungeon but had to wait for them to spawn. When the first foe spawned, it was a group of three. I started fighting. A CP 2700 jumped in with a AOE and all three were done. I got nothing. The dungeon took three times as long as it should have because two CP level players were making a circuit through the dungeon killing everything without even stopping. They were farming for leads.
As I stated, I just want to enjoy the game again. Farming players are an issue for those not playing that economy game because to many of those that are farming are disrespectful of other players. Not addressing these issues will lead to players who came for the story and questing to leave.
shadoza
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Re: Writhing Wall Event – Consolidated Messaging Thread
Phase 2 started, I followed SKORDO up the hill, he went in, BUT THE WALL WON'T LET ME IN WHAT THE DEVIL IS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!
chaz
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