Xarc wrote: »

cool story bro

But no one will give that up for you.

Not true. We complained about Dragonknight's wing reflecting all projectiles having zero counterplay for ranged playstyles and eventually the devs listened and removed it. Maybe one day they'll remove the overpowered Warden Charm too.

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

This is the right answer in a vacuum. However, zos does not address imbalance timely and sometimes not at all and....AND... they introduce imbalance to sell chapters.

How long did it take for them to adjust ward? The ridiculous mythic from Solstice is still there. Just an example of each...

The timeliness, or lack thereof, of ZOS addressing changes doesn’t change the fact that it is their responsibility to balance the game by creating balanced systems and items, not ours by purposefully avoiding what works.

Look at it this way. If my friends and I order food for delivery, and we don’t get it after two hours, is it my responsibility to make that food for everyone in my kitchen?

reazea wrote: »

It's up to ZOS to create systems that are balanced and fair. It's not up to the players to do anything other than maximize their effectiveness.

Until ZOS limits heal stacking and makes some minor adjustments to some sets abused in PvP ZOS can't credibly claim they're even trying to fix performance and increase participation in Cyrodiil.

Vengeance is a total distraction and an excuse to not work on the game we purchased and have been playing for more than a decade now.

This is the right answer in a vacuum. However, zos does not address imbalance timely and sometimes not at all and....AND... they introduce imbalance to sell chapters.

How long did it take for them to adjust ward? The ridiculous mythic from Solstice is still there. Just an example of each...

It's up to ZOS to create systems that are balanced and fair. It's not up to the players to do anything other than maximize their effectiveness.

Until ZOS limits heal stacking and makes some minor adjustments to some sets abused in PvP ZOS can't credibly claim they're even trying to fix performance and increase participation in Cyrodiil.

Vengeance is a total distraction and an excuse to not work on the game we purchased and have been playing for more than a decade now.

Honestly not trying to detract from the points you've made but, what do you honestly expect from this post.

Take a break , find a more meaningful pvp experience . Its not that deep. Everyone knows what the meta is. If anything you are just giving people the steps to build for more "annoying " builds by laying it out for them step by step.

Must be bait

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

you say your an PVP VET ? then how do you NOT know that the EMPERORS buffs DO NOT APPLY in PVE duels .......and THAT AN BOMBER EMPs BEST TARGET IS ZERGS (if you find 4 , 5 if you add me as an zerg lol 😂 ) AS HE IS 100% SET FOR 1VX , and you can get back to next keep faster by dying trying then RUNNING on foot ( and with it only being an small scale group of 4 and 1 solo ( ME) TRYING would been more COMPEITIVE then just letting it go .. I KNOW AS AN 19X EMP ID NEVER RAN AWAY WITHOUT TRYING SOMETHING ( set up tent / kill or be killed , rez and reevaluate THAT outcome ( if i killed 3 out of the 5 iD try again for sure as ads can help pick off the others if played right ) ( if id just died and know back up was coming at ALL i might walk away from it but most likely me being me nope id try something else like pulling them apart at flags or try to get to case upstairs , AS IM NOT BIG ON RUNNING FROM AN FIGHT ...EVEN WHEN OUTNUMBERED !!!!!!!!!! NOT ONCE HAVE I COMPLAIN about getting ATTCACKED more so the opposite BECAUSE my complaint is that TOP PLAYERS RUN FROM AN FIGHT but lets not sidetrack the OP thats about BROKEN GEAR SETS AND SKILLS being used in PVP that US as an WHOLE need to LOOK at OURSELFS because DEV TEAM WONT and these items are making PVP dull and unenjoyable to play in any manner competitive or not , running or fighting , pulling or lag

Okay, I don’t have the energy to read through another unpunctuated, caps lock-humping word salad, so I’m mostly going to address your final point. As someone else said, it’s not our job to balance this game. It’s the devs. We’re going to use what works, what wins, and what feels good. Because that’s how most of us have fun.

As for your point about players running from fights, maybe people need to use LOS to heal. Maybe they don’t feel like porting from a far away keep. Maybe they want help from the group. Complaining about it on the forum isn’t going to change that. Either get faster so you can catch them or accept that you won the engagement and move on 😂

Vaqual wrote: »

The silly thing about this topic is, that many factors would be easily fixable through purely numerical changes. Also, having Critical Resistance as a PvP-exclusive stat is extremely weak and outdated design. If it can not be reasonably sourced to keep up with Crit Damage builds, it is just a needless problem that ends up propping a select few gear and build options. Just make Crit Damage harder to source, take some HP off vet trial bosses and get rid of the Crit Resistance stat altogether. Or go the other route and reduce opportunity cost for those stats (and maybe give it a PvE purpose) to give other options a better chance. It just doesn't serve a purpose to have a selection of 500 knives for a gun fight.

Why even have separate PVE and PVP maths in the first place? I think that was their first mistake, and the better way to go about it instead seems like just to start with PVP as the place to balance all player power. Then construct the PVE fights around whatever that ends up as. This way it becomes one game instead of two.

Instead what the game apparently did was build the PVE game, and then added layers on layers of crazy duct tape through things like battle spirit to make PVP sort of work. To be fair I suspect one of the reasons might have been as a workaround to even out players with different levels or something, but I feel levels are also an outdated design. Just a time sink pretending to be progression that I'm sure could be replaced with something else, and it also complicates the task of balancing a PVPVE game of this scale.

I can not have fun playing PvP on a build that doesn't match my characters role play. Of course that often leaves me with a disadvantage, but at least winning feels more rewarding that way. I also have to say that, however broken PvP may currently be, it feels less annoying than the previous year with almost non-stop Sorc domination.

Realistically, the onus is really on the Devs here. If their choices uncouple the RP from the PvP gameplay, that is just bad design. It would be nice if players would bring variety into PvP, but I do not have high expectations. Many players have a surprisingly bad grasp of the combat balancing to begin with, and of course they have no clue what is fun or fair. And many just don't feel the need for fair play with the anonymity the internet provides. The only actual issue with this is that tryhard cope has had an impact on balancing decisions. But, as we all know, getting a bombing, dueling or ganking montage in a 10 year old video game for 23 YouTube viewers is where the fun lies. This is clearly far more important than all this RPG nonsense.

The silly thing about this topic is, that many factors would be easily fixable through purely numerical changes. Also, having Critical Resistance as a PvP-exclusive stat is extremely weak and outdated design. If it can not be reasonably sourced to keep up with Crit Damage builds, it is just a needless problem that ends up propping a select few gear and build options. Just make Crit Damage harder to source, take some HP off vet trial bosses and get rid of the Crit Resistance stat altogether. Or go the other route and reduce opportunity cost for those stats (and maybe give it a PvE purpose) to give other options a better chance. It just doesn't serve a purpose to have a selection of 500 knives for a gun fight.

Whatever the future brings, I'd rather quit the game than play the current™ cringe slop.

Game was messed up way before Subclassing.

I’m glad that the guard is changing, and we have new stewards of this IP, because I couldn’t see this game lasting another year with Matt at the head…

Now they just have to convince us that the game will last another two years.

but really it is alot on US as the players why PVP has became UNFUN AND ZOS NOR THE DEV TEAM CAN FIX OUT BAD HABITS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND MAYBE ITS TIME TO FACE UP TO OUR ADOLESCENT AND BEOME ADUTS THAT WORK TOGETHER TO BETTER SOMETHING WE ALL LOVE and put down our broken sets and unbalanced game play and bring PVP back to an fun place to come kill and be killed ( as dying only teaches you what not to do next time )

Grey Host has always been a competitive environment where people optimize within the rules that exist. Dying, learning, and adjusting is exactly how PvP stays alive—but that adaptation has to happen at the player level, not by asking others to voluntarily handicap themselves. The game improves when players improve, not when effectiveness is treated as bad behavior. Try harder. Just like the rest of us had to.