Best Of
Re: DK Nerfs will get their own Patch Notes right?
Finally DK in a good place for the first time in years and it's gonna get nerfed? We need CLASS CHANGE TOKEN NOW.
Re: Why give Sorc so many redundant abilities？
Renato90085 wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »
I'm not against buff sorc
but i still remember arcanist/supclass meta,the arcanist or subclass with velothi/ansuul have 6-7k pen
then my sorc/nb/dk/templar/warden alway have 13-15k pen
so nobody should run alkosh anymore,the tank only one should run pen set is tremorscale
and use a passive trade a 5p set is not a lost, you not lost anything in real content..because any role nb still can give you crit
and maybe i can free from alkosh jail..
Pure classes are being used more frequently than before, so Alkosh has actually been revived by the trial teams. You can check the ESO-LOG; the top teams at OChm are all using Alkosh.
but they won't need to anymore!
That's the point we're making!
stop looking at the best thing to do without this change, and start thinking about what the best thing to do with this change.
it's like getting signet and saying it's terrible because you keep casting your ult like you did with velothi.
In fact, considering that Sorc DPS is already rare in the Final Trial, and its value was further diminished after the Dragon Knight rework, top teams will still choose to use Alkosh rather than bring a Sorc. And since many teams are already using the Sorc Tank, this 3000 pen doesn't help Sorc overall; in fact, as I mentioned earlier, it's a net loss.
but it isn't you can give sorc any buff to this passive,sorc tank still priority than sorc dps...?
I believe this is the case. Currently (U50), the only real damage Sorc can provide to the raid is the 6% increase from Calculated Defense (primarily provided by the Sorc Tank) and Exploitation 6% critical . Major Berserk, previously provided by Sorc DPS, is now mainly cast by Dragoons.
In U51, with Exploitation gone, the raid will have to rely on Nightblade to provide that 6% critical . Since current trial mechanics largely emphasize AoE, a raid doesn't need many single-target DPS, so there's a high chance of having a NB but no Sorc (DPS). Given Sorc's powerful Conservation of Energy, Sorc is more likely to serve as a tank (or healer) rather than a DPS.
Re: Why give Sorc so many redundant abilities？
Sorry, I should make my position clear.
This is a nerf. 6% crit chance is better than a group pen buff, becuase a crit % buff is ALWAYS good. There is no time where getting 6% crit is wasted, where there are definately times when getting 3k pen is wasted.
Anyone who has spent time trying to get a good parse on sorc knows how much impact crit chance has on a class that has SO MUCH rng. Good parse, bad parse, it's really down to how many frag procs, how many of those procs were crits, then how many static reverb procs in the first half when the % is low compounded with how fast you can weave.
All that said, 3k pen is NOT garbage. It's a solid group buff, and there are really good reasons that you might want one in your group. Necro's are really the big boy dps now, and as I pointed out, necro's are at pen cap with no other sets required.
For smaller group content it's even better, and for solo it's amazing. 3k pen is way more dps for a solo sorc than the crit chance. Also solo sorcs can run conservation of energy.
The problem is the same problem we had with exploitation already.
The passive doesn't do anything else.
In fact the entire skill line is garbage, which is why 2 class masteries allow you to proc the passives without casting dark magic skills.
Sorc DD's are behind in a lot of ways when they aren't humping the dummy.
Low crit%, low crit damage and low pen.
The problem here is that they addressed 1 weakness by making another weakness worse and other classes don't want this assistance as much, so sorcs are less desireable overall.
I really don't know how we ended up in a place where minor sorcery wasn't on the sorcerer, and it would make a lot more sense for the sorc to keep that buff compared to brutality on DK's.
honestly nightblade should have crit, sorc should have damage, templar should have a healing recieved and dk have the armour buff, but whatever.
TLDR; it's not a bad buff, especially for sorcs who need the help for pen, but overall it's still a nerf.
This is a nerf. 6% crit chance is better than a group pen buff, becuase a crit % buff is ALWAYS good. There is no time where getting 6% crit is wasted, where there are definately times when getting 3k pen is wasted.
Anyone who has spent time trying to get a good parse on sorc knows how much impact crit chance has on a class that has SO MUCH rng. Good parse, bad parse, it's really down to how many frag procs, how many of those procs were crits, then how many static reverb procs in the first half when the % is low compounded with how fast you can weave.
All that said, 3k pen is NOT garbage. It's a solid group buff, and there are really good reasons that you might want one in your group. Necro's are really the big boy dps now, and as I pointed out, necro's are at pen cap with no other sets required.
For smaller group content it's even better, and for solo it's amazing. 3k pen is way more dps for a solo sorc than the crit chance. Also solo sorcs can run conservation of energy.
The problem is the same problem we had with exploitation already.
The passive doesn't do anything else.
In fact the entire skill line is garbage, which is why 2 class masteries allow you to proc the passives without casting dark magic skills.
Sorc DD's are behind in a lot of ways when they aren't humping the dummy.
Low crit%, low crit damage and low pen.
The problem here is that they addressed 1 weakness by making another weakness worse and other classes don't want this assistance as much, so sorcs are less desireable overall.
I really don't know how we ended up in a place where minor sorcery wasn't on the sorcerer, and it would make a lot more sense for the sorc to keep that buff compared to brutality on DK's.
honestly nightblade should have crit, sorc should have damage, templar should have a healing recieved and dk have the armour buff, but whatever.
TLDR; it's not a bad buff, especially for sorcs who need the help for pen, but overall it's still a nerf.
Tannus15
2
Re: U51 Feedback Thread for Classes and Abilities
If we are going to have the costs to werewolf abilities return very close to the pre-rework Werewolf then we need to also reset the damage values that lost roughly 1/3rd of their original values, remove the "while in PVP/battle spirit" reductions to the werewolf passive Feral Cruelty and Berserker Bleed duration.
Re: Critical Surge just got a massive nerf
I don’t agree with the change but I don’t see it as a MASSIVE nerf, it’s 6% crit chance. Now sorc can drop sharpened weapons/ 3 light armor/lover Mundas if they’re using it for something else. 6% is one precise dagger or two lines of crit chance on gear.
Udrath
1
Re: U51 Feedback Thread for Classes and Abilities
I just saw the WW resource usage increases and this is beyond ridiculous. WW do not need a nerf and you cannot nerf classes to make bad players good. Have you thought about the implications to pve or are you doing this solely based on pvp feedback?
With these increases, WW will be a dead class because they do not really get armor boosts, they already lose their human skills, and now they will have to make sure they have mag, mag recovery, stam, and stam recovery, while trying to maintain a high enough health because of their lower armor.
Most WWs have about 15 to 18k mag and stamina and about 40 to 44k health. With these new numbers they will be out of resources in seconds. They do not have burst damage
Are you going to modify one of the skills that gives them mega armor and crit resist or give them immunity to CCs?
I am not the best player in the game but my WW in pvp gets owned by just about every class sometimes but it depends on the player. You cannot nerf something just because people do not know how to pvp and play their class. So many people go into BGs or Cyrodiil or Imperial City with pve gear or with low health and expect to own okay to great pvp people. Then you have those players that never use a heal. I have watched players lose their health and never heal and die but yet complain.
ZOS please for once actually play the game and get out of the spreadsheet. I feel like these decisions are made without actually playing the game and understanding what is actually going on.
With these increases, WW will be a dead class because they do not really get armor boosts, they already lose their human skills, and now they will have to make sure they have mag, mag recovery, stam, and stam recovery, while trying to maintain a high enough health because of their lower armor.
Most WWs have about 15 to 18k mag and stamina and about 40 to 44k health. With these new numbers they will be out of resources in seconds. They do not have burst damage
Are you going to modify one of the skills that gives them mega armor and crit resist or give them immunity to CCs?
I am not the best player in the game but my WW in pvp gets owned by just about every class sometimes but it depends on the player. You cannot nerf something just because people do not know how to pvp and play their class. So many people go into BGs or Cyrodiil or Imperial City with pve gear or with low health and expect to own okay to great pvp people. Then you have those players that never use a heal. I have watched players lose their health and never heal and die but yet complain.
ZOS please for once actually play the game and get out of the spreadsheet. I feel like these decisions are made without actually playing the game and understanding what is actually going on.