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Re: There needs to be a PvP Dev Team
LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD
Pretty sure that same dev got slapped around by a Necromancer once a few years ago and said, “Never again.”
Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
Okay seriously, literally no discourse about the 3-sided weekend event, on the thread literally titled "three-sided-deathmatch", by the most prolific posters about the topic.
What, didn't get very many good screenshots of close matches because it suffered from the PvP powercreep and mixed MMR the same way 2-sided does?
Why aren't you gushing about these matches, great time to do so.
Only benefit is that with three-teams it's hard for a single team to spawn camp. But when I've played it's just the same old: there's either players that are going to stomp, or everyone is kind of equally bad/squishy. (Also I like never get on a team that has a healer this time around it's odd).
What, didn't get very many good screenshots of close matches because it suffered from the PvP powercreep and mixed MMR the same way 2-sided does?
Why aren't you gushing about these matches, great time to do so.
Only benefit is that with three-teams it's hard for a single team to spawn camp. But when I've played it's just the same old: there's either players that are going to stomp, or everyone is kind of equally bad/squishy. (Also I like never get on a team that has a healer this time around it's odd).
Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
Why is Haki still posting team vs team leaderboards? I thought 8v8s haven't been playable for a few days now already.
Don't worry though, I've got you:
Salvation of Battlegrounds Chapter 5897: Perfectly Balanced 3-Way BGs, Matchmaking Absolutely Not The Main Issue
0,0167% chance of losing. Opponents had full teams, opponents left their teams. I wonder why:
0,001% chance of winning. I bet my team had fun:
0,001% chance of winning. Oh look, just like the previous one:
77% chance of winning. I bet green team had fun:
99% chance of winning. No comment:
"0% chance of losing. We did because..."
...3-way BGs are fundamentally flawed. Two teams fight, one team runs to empty objectives - wins with zero kills.
Don't worry though, I've got you:
Salvation of Battlegrounds Chapter 5897: Perfectly Balanced 3-Way BGs, Matchmaking Absolutely Not The Main Issue
0,0167% chance of losing. Opponents had full teams, opponents left their teams. I wonder why:
0,001% chance of winning. I bet my team had fun:
0,001% chance of winning. Oh look, just like the previous one:
77% chance of winning. I bet green team had fun:
99% chance of winning. No comment:
"0% chance of losing. We did because..."
...3-way BGs are fundamentally flawed. Two teams fight, one team runs to empty objectives - wins with zero kills.
Decimus
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I'm sorry but this whole thread is very... Over dramatic? Anyone can see that solo play is not going away. So I'm just going to make a few (lol it turned into an essay as I was working on it) obvious points and leave it at that.
Firstly, the Night Marker to me is just a giant 4 man dungeon with extra steps, and a bonus trial at the end. That is all. If you never grouped with anyone before then can I assume you never did any of the trials or dungeons either, and never was against them existing in the game? So why is this suddenly so different? Because it's a different model of 4 man dungeons and trials then what you're used to? Yeah they made the dungeon/trial more interesting with mini games and extra steps to complete it. But it's no less a dungeon/trial. Or maybe it was because they said you could solo it? Well technically you can solo vet dungeons too, but not many people can do that either. But there wasn't anything wrong with that before? Because you have to use the group finder (which has worked perfectly for me during the event I might add). Well you have to que for PUG dungeons and trials too, so not sure why that is a bother now. Is it because there are cosmetic rewards and furnishings locked behind the content? Well there's also all that locked behind your regular dungeon group content too. I think you're looking at the night market all wrong. It is not a story dlc or chapter. It's two DLC dungeon expansions with a bonus trial given to us at once and packaged as an event. That's all it is. We are not getting any new dlc dungeons in the future. This is it. The night market IS that content. I do believe we're getting one single lonely new trial coming up in the coming year, but not any dungeons.
So what about solo play disappearing? Actually I think the night market balances out the fact that dungeons are getting a solo mode added. In fact, the exact opposite of your claim is true. Previous group content is becoming solo, increasing the amount of solo content in the game vs group content. Plus new story quests are coming up too. So easily the idea that solo play is disappearing is wildly inaccurate and doom saying. I believe there should be content for everyone. Including those that want group activities. They are not second class citizens that should be forced to wait until the only trial they're getting comes out. While solo play is still being rained down on those that only want that content. If you restrict yourself to only one type of activity in the game, then yes you will be restricting yourself to parts of the game. Having content you might not like or want to do is not a bad thing. More variety is healthy. What would the game look like if there was no group content or PvP, for instance? Pretty bland. Don't get me wrong, I prefer solo play. I do dungeons because I want all the achievements. That's all. But I'm not going to deny the group content/ harder content lovers even a crumb of new updates because it isn't my cup of tea. I'm fact I would love to see even more variety of stuff in the game. Even if I personally would never do it. Let's bring in more group content, more PvP options, and more options in general to do. You don't have to do everything in the game. You do realize that?
After completing most of the night market activities, here's my take. I actually enjoyed the fights in the night market. They were interesting. Challenging. Actually made me feel like I accomplished something when I beat them. It was fun trying to figure out the mechs with people that also had no idea what to do, and then beating it. Tbh the hardest part of the trial is just organizing everyone for the baton pass mechanic, not the actual boss fight. I'm just super angry at the bugs and glitches that never should have left pts. But that's a different topic that I will rage and rant on... But the actual battles, and fights themselves have been great. I've puged every single dungeon, and the mechs were not so outlandishly difficult to figure out, that someone with no dungeon experience would be hopeless doing it. It can be very intimidating for someone not used to dungeons to jump in and try them out. Which is why I would like to advocate a "normal" mode. The mode doesn't even need any rewards or titles, it just to help people get an idea of the mechs and build confidence before trying it on the current difficulty. If that is a reason some people are hesitant to give it a try.
My final thoughts for my essay (so sorry) is that solo content and group content are both integral parts to an MMO. They both coexist and we should be helping each other push for better content for each other. Bridge the gap and have a more healthier community. It is okay to be a solo player and have group content you'll never do. It is okay to be a group content lover and never once touching solo content. But it's also even better to help each other. So let's be happy for the group content people for getting an amazing update (after they fix the bloody bugs of course!). Look forward to everything coming out for the solo crowd, and learn to ask for help and maybe step out of your comfort zone every once in awhile to experience ESO in every aspect.
Firstly, the Night Marker to me is just a giant 4 man dungeon with extra steps, and a bonus trial at the end. That is all. If you never grouped with anyone before then can I assume you never did any of the trials or dungeons either, and never was against them existing in the game? So why is this suddenly so different? Because it's a different model of 4 man dungeons and trials then what you're used to? Yeah they made the dungeon/trial more interesting with mini games and extra steps to complete it. But it's no less a dungeon/trial. Or maybe it was because they said you could solo it? Well technically you can solo vet dungeons too, but not many people can do that either. But there wasn't anything wrong with that before? Because you have to use the group finder (which has worked perfectly for me during the event I might add). Well you have to que for PUG dungeons and trials too, so not sure why that is a bother now. Is it because there are cosmetic rewards and furnishings locked behind the content? Well there's also all that locked behind your regular dungeon group content too. I think you're looking at the night market all wrong. It is not a story dlc or chapter. It's two DLC dungeon expansions with a bonus trial given to us at once and packaged as an event. That's all it is. We are not getting any new dlc dungeons in the future. This is it. The night market IS that content. I do believe we're getting one single lonely new trial coming up in the coming year, but not any dungeons.
So what about solo play disappearing? Actually I think the night market balances out the fact that dungeons are getting a solo mode added. In fact, the exact opposite of your claim is true. Previous group content is becoming solo, increasing the amount of solo content in the game vs group content. Plus new story quests are coming up too. So easily the idea that solo play is disappearing is wildly inaccurate and doom saying. I believe there should be content for everyone. Including those that want group activities. They are not second class citizens that should be forced to wait until the only trial they're getting comes out. While solo play is still being rained down on those that only want that content. If you restrict yourself to only one type of activity in the game, then yes you will be restricting yourself to parts of the game. Having content you might not like or want to do is not a bad thing. More variety is healthy. What would the game look like if there was no group content or PvP, for instance? Pretty bland. Don't get me wrong, I prefer solo play. I do dungeons because I want all the achievements. That's all. But I'm not going to deny the group content/ harder content lovers even a crumb of new updates because it isn't my cup of tea. I'm fact I would love to see even more variety of stuff in the game. Even if I personally would never do it. Let's bring in more group content, more PvP options, and more options in general to do. You don't have to do everything in the game. You do realize that?
After completing most of the night market activities, here's my take. I actually enjoyed the fights in the night market. They were interesting. Challenging. Actually made me feel like I accomplished something when I beat them. It was fun trying to figure out the mechs with people that also had no idea what to do, and then beating it. Tbh the hardest part of the trial is just organizing everyone for the baton pass mechanic, not the actual boss fight. I'm just super angry at the bugs and glitches that never should have left pts. But that's a different topic that I will rage and rant on... But the actual battles, and fights themselves have been great. I've puged every single dungeon, and the mechs were not so outlandishly difficult to figure out, that someone with no dungeon experience would be hopeless doing it. It can be very intimidating for someone not used to dungeons to jump in and try them out. Which is why I would like to advocate a "normal" mode. The mode doesn't even need any rewards or titles, it just to help people get an idea of the mechs and build confidence before trying it on the current difficulty. If that is a reason some people are hesitant to give it a try.
My final thoughts for my essay (so sorry) is that solo content and group content are both integral parts to an MMO. They both coexist and we should be helping each other push for better content for each other. Bridge the gap and have a more healthier community. It is okay to be a solo player and have group content you'll never do. It is okay to be a group content lover and never once touching solo content. But it's also even better to help each other. So let's be happy for the group content people for getting an amazing update (after they fix the bloody bugs of course!). Look forward to everything coming out for the solo crowd, and learn to ask for help and maybe step out of your comfort zone every once in awhile to experience ESO in every aspect.
4v4 & 8v8 Highlight Major Balance Issues — 3-Team BGs Worked Better
Hello,
I would like to raise an important concern regarding the current state of Battlegrounds, particularly the 4v4 and 8v8 modes.
In practice, these modes are often unplayable due to a significant imbalance between teams. When one side has a higher concentration of experienced and skilled players, the match effectively loses its purpose: the opposing team gets pushed back to their spawn and is unable to participate meaningfully. Instead of engaging PvP gameplay, players are left standing idle, simply waiting for the match to end.
Under such conditions, all motivation disappears. Players gain neither enjoyment nor a sense of progress—only a frustrating waste of time.
The 4v4 mode can still be justified when played in pre-made groups with relatively balanced skill levels. However, in random matchmaking, the same imbalance issues persist.
As for the 8v8 mode, the problem becomes even more pronounced. When there is a noticeable skill gap, one team completely dominates while the other is effectively trapped at their base, unable to influence the outcome of the match. This is especially discouraging for newer players, who often lose any desire to continue playing after such experiences.
The design of the 8v8 maps also raises concerns. Compared to older Battleground maps, they feel less refined in terms of balance. Previously, players could compensate for differences in skill through map knowledge, use of terrain, positioning, and kiting. Even at a disadvantage, it was possible to survive and contribute.
In contrast, the newer maps tend to feature large open spaces where such tactical options are limited. As a result, survivability decreases and the impact of imbalance becomes even more severe.
Additionally, the matchmaking system itself presents issues. Queue times for 8v8 are often quite long, and even after waiting, players frequently end up in clearly unbalanced matches. A quick look at the player list is often enough to see the disparity: one team filled mostly with newcomers, the other with more experienced players. Naturally, this raises the question—what is the point of playing such a match?
Previously, the three-team format addressed this issue far more effectively. Stronger players were distributed across multiple teams, while less experienced players were present on each side, creating a more natural balance. Even solo players could feel engaged and had a fair chance to survive and contribute.
For this reason, I would like to make a suggestion.
I am not asking to remove the 4v4 or 8v8 modes. However, I strongly encourage reconsidering the return of the three-team format, along with the older maps and the previous Battleground system. That format was significantly more dynamic, balanced, and engaging. Players were able to complete their objectives faster, participate more actively, and overall enjoy the experience much more.
This opinion is based not only on my personal experience, but also on feedback from many other players—both veterans and newcomers alike. And the overwhelming majority share the same view: the three-team Battlegrounds were far superior to the current implementation.
Thank you for your attention.
I would like to raise an important concern regarding the current state of Battlegrounds, particularly the 4v4 and 8v8 modes.
In practice, these modes are often unplayable due to a significant imbalance between teams. When one side has a higher concentration of experienced and skilled players, the match effectively loses its purpose: the opposing team gets pushed back to their spawn and is unable to participate meaningfully. Instead of engaging PvP gameplay, players are left standing idle, simply waiting for the match to end.
Under such conditions, all motivation disappears. Players gain neither enjoyment nor a sense of progress—only a frustrating waste of time.
The 4v4 mode can still be justified when played in pre-made groups with relatively balanced skill levels. However, in random matchmaking, the same imbalance issues persist.
As for the 8v8 mode, the problem becomes even more pronounced. When there is a noticeable skill gap, one team completely dominates while the other is effectively trapped at their base, unable to influence the outcome of the match. This is especially discouraging for newer players, who often lose any desire to continue playing after such experiences.
The design of the 8v8 maps also raises concerns. Compared to older Battleground maps, they feel less refined in terms of balance. Previously, players could compensate for differences in skill through map knowledge, use of terrain, positioning, and kiting. Even at a disadvantage, it was possible to survive and contribute.
In contrast, the newer maps tend to feature large open spaces where such tactical options are limited. As a result, survivability decreases and the impact of imbalance becomes even more severe.
Additionally, the matchmaking system itself presents issues. Queue times for 8v8 are often quite long, and even after waiting, players frequently end up in clearly unbalanced matches. A quick look at the player list is often enough to see the disparity: one team filled mostly with newcomers, the other with more experienced players. Naturally, this raises the question—what is the point of playing such a match?
Previously, the three-team format addressed this issue far more effectively. Stronger players were distributed across multiple teams, while less experienced players were present on each side, creating a more natural balance. Even solo players could feel engaged and had a fair chance to survive and contribute.
For this reason, I would like to make a suggestion.
I am not asking to remove the 4v4 or 8v8 modes. However, I strongly encourage reconsidering the return of the three-team format, along with the older maps and the previous Battleground system. That format was significantly more dynamic, balanced, and engaging. Players were able to complete their objectives faster, participate more actively, and overall enjoy the experience much more.
This opinion is based not only on my personal experience, but also on feedback from many other players—both veterans and newcomers alike. And the overwhelming majority share the same view: the three-team Battlegrounds were far superior to the current implementation.
Thank you for your attention.
Re: Werewolf tooltips (PvP) significantly nerfed from live (proof)
Wuuffy's incoherent spam posting gonna get WW nerfed down to F tier at this rate.
xylena
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A solo only player finally relents and joins a Night Market group. World changed forever!
I've been reading these forums the last few days as I try to find a way to enjoy the Night Market as a solo only player. And I see a lot of people here are also solo only and feeling a bit frustrated and left out with this release. Tonight I threw caution to the wind and decided to just go into the group finder and join a group.
Now mind you, I've played this game almost exclusively solo for years. So some of the crap I'm about to say may sound really stupid or obvious to the normal folk who group up or maybe Night Market is just a different experience. But I found that almost every excuse I had to not join a group in ESO was invalidated tonight during my experience in the Night Market.
My experience tonight: I picked a group that looked like it had a decent number of players. And I didn't realize these groups could be up to 12 people large, so that's nice. I was then transferred to the instance the group was in. People are already in the zone, so I have to sprint through hell to get to the group, but that was usually no problem. It was really refreshing with how casual everyone was. Just a group of people running around killing crap. Maybe someone will call out something they want to do and the group goes and does that. People were coming and going from the group at will, so I didn't feel like I was locked into a 2 hour commitment. I joined a group, would run with them for about 15 minutes to kill a few things, then leave and come back with another character and repeat. It was so easy, no stress, no worrying about knowing what I'm doing. I was really expecting something a lot more stressful.
Nobody guilting anyone for not doing enough DPS or having the right gear.
Nobody yelling because you don't know how to do an encounter.
Nobody expecting you to commit the next 4 hours of your time.
Nobody had any expectations whatsoever.
10 out of 10, would recommend to everyone soloing!
Now mind you, I've played this game almost exclusively solo for years. So some of the crap I'm about to say may sound really stupid or obvious to the normal folk who group up or maybe Night Market is just a different experience. But I found that almost every excuse I had to not join a group in ESO was invalidated tonight during my experience in the Night Market.
My experience tonight: I picked a group that looked like it had a decent number of players. And I didn't realize these groups could be up to 12 people large, so that's nice. I was then transferred to the instance the group was in. People are already in the zone, so I have to sprint through hell to get to the group, but that was usually no problem. It was really refreshing with how casual everyone was. Just a group of people running around killing crap. Maybe someone will call out something they want to do and the group goes and does that. People were coming and going from the group at will, so I didn't feel like I was locked into a 2 hour commitment. I joined a group, would run with them for about 15 minutes to kill a few things, then leave and come back with another character and repeat. It was so easy, no stress, no worrying about knowing what I'm doing. I was really expecting something a lot more stressful.
Nobody guilting anyone for not doing enough DPS or having the right gear.
Nobody yelling because you don't know how to do an encounter.
Nobody expecting you to commit the next 4 hours of your time.
Nobody had any expectations whatsoever.
10 out of 10, would recommend to everyone soloing!
Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
I kind of feel bad for ZOS because the concept of this mytic is interesting and is one of the main incentives for doing the night market. They know it's over powered by making some builds do insane damage in PvE and PvP, but they're trying to do everything they can to prevent nerfing the mythic by adding restrictions to how you can use it and nerfs to werewolf.
Estin
5
Re: Sharing Night Market Plaza Quests
First, I'll repost what I wrote in another thread:
So, for example, on PC/EU, someone from Ruckus shared me the Argent quest. Someone from Goad shared me the Brazen quest. And I picked up the Fleet quest as Eyes. Now my character has 3 different faction leader quests, each picked up from a different faction leader. Now, I'm ready to form a group for a guild run, and I share out all 3 quests to the group so that everyone has the same set of 3 quests.
Now, let's say someone in the group for this guild run is from Eyes, and they picked up the Brazen quest from their faction leader. They think, "oh, I already have Brazen, so I don't need to get the Brazen share", so they hang onto their Brazen quest. They can't get my Brazen share since they already have a Brazen quest, but they also can't get my Fleet share since their Brazen quest is taking up their Eyes slot, and my Fleet quest is from Eyes.
So to fix this, I had them drop their Brazen from Eyes. And now I share to them the Brazen from Goad and Fleet from Eyes, and now they have 3 quests like everyone else.
To be clear, a Brazen quest from Goad has the exact same quest ID as a Brazen quest from Eyes, and the quests are identical, except for a hidden faction origin property, and it is this hidden faction origin property that determines what quests it will conflict with.
Night Market quest sharing almost resembles quantum chromodynamics.
But having different people from different factions actually makes quest sharing easier. So let's say you have 3 people, each who can pick up a different quest from their faction leader. Let's say Alice gets the Argent quest, Bob gets the Brazen quest, and Frank gets the Fleet quest. So if all three people are in the same faction, they could do all 3 quests, but they'd have to do it one at a time, like overland world bosses. A shares her quest to everyone, they do it, turn it in, and then B picks up and shares his quest, and they all do it, and then F picks up and shares their quest. Three quests, but only one at a time. But if they all belonged to different factions, then they can all pick up their quest, and all share it, and they could have all 3 quests in their quest journals at the same time.
So faction diversity in a group actually helps makes quest sharing easier and smoother. The problem is that none of this is intuitive. You can't tell by looking at your quest journal if the Argent quest that you have was originally picked up by a Ruckus player or by an Eyes player--the quests all have the same identical quest IDs, regardless of which faction picked it up, and the faction is a property of the quest that is hidden from the user. And even if the user wanted to manually note which faction shared which quest, you can't easily see which faction someone belongs to (unless they tell you or you pay attention to where they go for quests turn-ins) so even if you know that Argent came from Alice, you don't know if that's an Argent quest sourced from Eyes or from Ruckus.
So, for example, on PC/EU, someone from Ruckus shared me the Argent quest. Someone from Goad shared me the Brazen quest. And I picked up the Fleet quest as Eyes. Now my character has 3 different faction leader quests, each picked up from a different faction leader. Now, I'm ready to form a group for a guild run, and I share out all 3 quests to the group so that everyone has the same set of 3 quests.
Now, let's say someone in the group for this guild run is from Eyes, and they picked up the Brazen quest from their faction leader. They think, "oh, I already have Brazen, so I don't need to get the Brazen share", so they hang onto their Brazen quest. They can't get my Brazen share since they already have a Brazen quest, but they also can't get my Fleet share since their Brazen quest is taking up their Eyes slot, and my Fleet quest is from Eyes.
So to fix this, I had them drop their Brazen from Eyes. And now I share to them the Brazen from Goad and Fleet from Eyes, and now they have 3 quests like everyone else.
To be clear, a Brazen quest from Goad has the exact same quest ID as a Brazen quest from Eyes, and the quests are identical, except for a hidden faction origin property, and it is this hidden faction origin property that determines what quests it will conflict with.
Night Market quest sharing almost resembles quantum chromodynamics.
Re: "Use relics to discover Monsters or Treasure in the Night Market." Skittering?
There are also webbed people that you can free with the grapple. They're enemies, though, but they drop nice loot if you kill them after freeing them (ok, that does seem kinda wrong and ironic).