The last time I was perusing the housing editor for ideas I was thinking of when they had discounts like this before and that it would be great to have them again. Someone must have been reading my mind, lol. They’ll get more sales if they advertise it, though.

SneaK wrote: »

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twisttop138 wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

It's funny how the PvE community pushes so hard for vengeance but when the same system is proposed for PvE zones they freak out and throw down all kinds of reasons why the template mode is no good or not needed.

I keep seeing this. Who is pushing hard? What is the pve community? Who in their right mind thinks people speak for all people. There's pvpers saying they like this idea. Is that the pvp community? Does that mean the pvp community is pushing hard for vengeance? Let's be very clear here. Some people seem to like it and some don't. This nonsense that there's some secret cabal of pve players trying to take down Cyro is wild. You guys have legit good arguments to stand on. Hyperbole and bad faith stuff do not help. The same as people posting Zos's post on reddit but carefully removing sentences to rage bait don't help. Stand on the merits.

This is me standing on merit, and I will die on this hill. No one is giving legitimate reasons to not have a PvE Vengeance ruleset. All I keep hearing is “performance isn’t an issue” to which I’ve given plenty of examples that it is. If the Vengeance ruleset is meant to solve performance issues why not have it in PvE?

Nobody is giving you legitimate reasons because we all know (including you) that your point is “waa PvPers are forced to play Vengeance and that sucks so make the game sucky for everyone!” and you’re dismissing everyone who also agreed that it’s unwanted.

So if that’s what you want, then we can be just as petulant: GH isn’t going away. IC isn’t going away. BGs aren’t going away. So realistically, PvP isn’t forced into Vengeance either. The only people this is directly going to affect, at least at the moment, are those toxic PvPers whose entire game is “farm noobs when they accidentally go in GH.” The equivalent “make PvE vengeance here would be that some trials have Vengeance mechanics and the rest and Dungeons and Arenas all proceed as normal.

As for the future, that remains to be seen. But I’ve seen a lot more PvErs who are disappointed in ZOS’s decision than PvErs who are praising it. But this whole act is going to do nothing but make you more and more salty and turn people away from your side.

No. Nobody is giving legitimate reasons cause there are none.

Seems like maybe nobody wants Vengeance. Which is strange cause it’s coming, and ZOS has numbers of positive reviews for it… If a feature so widely accepted that also improves performance is available, it should be available across the entire game. It’s you guys and ZOS splitting the community, not me. I’d actually view my stance as the opposite.

You've been given several, you just refuse to accept them.

You've been asked several times to give details of the performance issues you are having in PvE and yet can't seem to muster any.

I find the misalignment of things like floors very annoying but also true to life (I live in an old house and have to overlook every morning that the floorboards don't line up to the walls), so it's not ideal but not a deal breaker for me.

The slow pace of furnishing releases, the inconsistency of architectural items supposedly of the same style so they don't fit together, the failure to release complete sets of architectural furnishings for each style, drive me mad though. Together with the usual why did it take such an incredibly long time to get even one transparent window and why don't we now have vastly more, and will we EVER get more water assets than fountains and things like the crown store trough.

There doesn't seem to be any consistency in what, exactly, furnishing releases are aiming to achieve. Once they opened themselves up to releasing structural sets, they needed to commit to releasing FULL structural sets of everything. Otherwise, what are we supposed to do with them in places like moon sugar meadow? Build multi coloured Vegas inspired pastiches? The offerings seem to oscillate between drip feeding structural pieces and drip feeding nice-to-have decorations without any eye on, for instance, aiming to have a complete suite of structural furnishings available for all the major styles by end 2026 (for example).

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

On PS EU while the last vengeance (and this is no joke) like 30 people participated.
As soon it was gone the server was populated, leaderboard full and for a short time even 3 bars each

Well then, ZOS their months long data analytics and survey data must be wrong then. Oh no, and they are investing all these resources and man hours for nothing now. They should use anecdotal examples next time as data points. /s

All joking aside, even though I am pro-Vengeance, I do agree with the other side too and agree that they should leave Greyhost alone and it keep it as an option for players who like playing GH. That way everyone is happy and can play their own way. They should not take it away and I agree with those who say this. In fact, it would have been better that they wrote something like 'We are fully committed in keeping GH also available in the future'. That one sentence could have made this announcement being received a lot better.

I've had performance issues in almost every trial I've played and crashed out of a couple, especially the newer ones. People are comparing this to PvP, which I guess is fair, but I don't really think they're equivalent. I've definitely had performance issues in Gray Host before, and have been disconnected a couple times too, but per-capita have far more issues in trials. Also, disconnecting or having performance issues is a MUCH bigger problem in trials- I've had groups wipe because of one DC or a stuttered mechanic, which borks the whole run. In Cyrodiil, when performance is bad, it's just a couple extra deaths or an inconvenience to re-queue. It's Cyrodiil; you die and you're inconvenienced all the time, and the only "punishment" is your own frustration (where in PvE, you lose your score, rewards, etc). The experience of the whole team is seldom ruined when there's PvP performance issues, not that they're not bad, but they're hardly as experience-breaking and frustrating as in PvE.

Vengeance for AT LEAST trials should help identify and address these issues, no? Not understanding the pushback, I thought we all wanted better performance in ESO.

(inb4 connection and hardware, I have an absurdly powerful machine and connection, it ain't me)

twisttop138 wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

It's funny how the PvE community pushes so hard for vengeance but when the same system is proposed for PvE zones they freak out and throw down all kinds of reasons why the template mode is no good or not needed.

I keep seeing this. Who is pushing hard? What is the pve community? Who in their right mind thinks people speak for all people. There's pvpers saying they like this idea. Is that the pvp community? Does that mean the pvp community is pushing hard for vengeance? Let's be very clear here. Some people seem to like it and some don't. This nonsense that there's some secret cabal of pve players trying to take down Cyro is wild. You guys have legit good arguments to stand on. Hyperbole and bad faith stuff do not help. The same as people posting Zos's post on reddit but carefully removing sentences to rage bait don't help. Stand on the merits.

This is me standing on merit, and I will die on this hill. No one is giving legitimate reasons to not have a PvE Vengeance ruleset. All I keep hearing is “performance isn’t an issue” to which I’ve given plenty of examples that it is. If the Vengeance ruleset is meant to solve performance issues why not have it in PvE?

Cause the majority doesn’t like it?????
Nooooo that wouldn’t make sense.

If they have a “feature” that improves performance it should be widely available in the game. If that’s the only way for them to fix their performance issues than maybe that is what they need to roll out across the entire game.

Some people might view that as if you need to put your dog down, don’t shoot it in the leg, just do what needs to be done and be done with it. But that’s some people…..

Melivar wrote: »

There are no real PVE performance issues in 4 or 12 player instanced content that are game related. Mostly those would be addon or hardware related issues.

While these same things are also a hinderance in PVP it is a much wider issue overall in Cyro.

Case in point I never had any issues with instanced PVE but did have several issues with overland PVE and all PVP on an older laptop. When it died and I upgraded I still had no issues in instanced PVE or overland PVE and much less in PVP outside of larger scale battles.

Now i have a failing hard drive and the Overland PVE and PVP issues are back again but still have had no real issues in instanced PVE. I know it is a hardware issue and not an internet or addon issue because if I log into my stream deck I am back to just having problems in PVP related content only and yes I have all the same addon for the steam deck.

For everyone sake I hope that the stick to having both Gray Host and Vengeance as play options and they continue to work on balancing things for the Gray Host campaign.

Not gonna read past the first sentence cause it’s false. There are many many many many performance issues we deal with all across the board. NEXT!

There is no way that current population on Greyhost is 360. that would be 120 across all factions which is the same as 10 groups worth.

During the time we were fighting a guild on EP They invited almost every single player on their faction and got to 86 vs us one night, this was when group cap was 24. and the campaign queue was in its 200+ era .

Numbers have not been that high for over 4 years now.

I expect if anything that this 360 number comes from when they ran the previous tests years ago not actual recent gameplay.

I don't even use that skill anymore because of the glow effect, it should only glow when it is ready to fire and only when you're in combat.

They fixed the permaglow. Almost. But not really. When in a fight with a nightblade build with that specific permaglow skill in it you end up with permaglow again as long as the buff is active.

It completely ruins the appearance of my toons. I have a bow/bow build with the invisible bow on the backbar. Now I don't see the bow but its permaflow with weapon stored.

What utter ugliness.

Anyhow it should go and with all the glowing and shining happening in a combat this visual clue is lost anyhow. I for instance rather look out for the sound clue and the skill bar itself. In a fight I ALWAYS miss the optical cue for that skill. So why keep it if it renders the appearance of a toon so terrible.