Suprise attack/sneak change incoming.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

So from recent guild meeting with Zos I could not believe what I heard from other players.

So the nightblade skill "suprise attack" will be getting a damage nerf due to it being too powerful in stealth.

So Zos you are decreasing a skills damage due to stealth. A class which has been created and designed to be a in stealth and causing large amount of damage from stealth (as shown by skills and passives) but not only that this skill is crucial for PVE as in it makes the class unique for stamina with it's spamable skill as it has no class dots (just like how Templars have jabs for stamina, reason DKs don't have one is because amount of class dots. To me that's balance FOR PVE). So now you are taking our high damaging spamable skill and leaving us with 0 Stam class dots.
If the problem is stealth then find a work around don't punish the class and PVE players for it.

ZOS the community is well aware that every change you make destroys diversity in builds and gear. Your constant nerfing of skills, blocking, dodgeing and even stealth it self... Shows that you don't know what your doing and can't code alternatives... If you honestly can't code it within the engine 'THEN TELL US', you leave us in the dark and let the forums become a abussive place to call for nerfs.

So I'd like the community to discuss this from a PVE and PVP point a view. Explain how you feel about your class and how it used to feel or should feel.
Hell @Wrobel I'd love it if I could sit down with you and discuss your decisions as a end game PVEr and PVPr. Fat chance it ever happen but I refuse to keep giving money to a company that doesn't even know how to expand an improve it's product.

Kind regards.

sirrmattus · May 2016

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

raasdal · May 2016

I think Wrobel is great at parties. He's really good with the Barbeque. I love him for that.

Asmael · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

sirrmattus · May 2016

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

Obviously you don't know that all stamina Nb morphs do magick damage.

Edit; Sorry I was thinking of killers blade

Valrien · May 2016

It's @Wrobel, not @ZOS_Wrobel.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

Thanks valrien. Will fix when I'm not working

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Killers Blade <> Surprise Attack

FearlessOne_2014 · May 2016

Abandon my 2 year old Sorcerer right after the cake event after leveling my Magicka Templar to v16. After playing around on the PTS I think seeing where ZOS want Sorcs to be I think he will forever only be useful as a crafting toon worst part for me is I have a 2nd V8 Breton Sorc which was going to be just for pvp also getting sidelined as a crafting toon.

Leveling up a Stamblade and a Stamknight now because yeah #diversity. But because this is the only close to decent action MMO out atm I'll have to settle unless I just give up MMOs all together.

GG Majestic Alim it was nice playing with you and trolling other players while it lasted since April of 2014.

Majestic Alim, High Elf, Magicka Sorcerer.

Forever barred from the battlefield other then to feed other classes and players egos.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

you really want to discuss the wrobler here on the official forums?

good luck with that.

and i feel a bit sorry for you as you didn't come up earlier with your conclusions on the games states and where some of the current problems are coming from. this was obvious a very long time ago.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

you really want to discuss the wrobler here on the official forums? good luck with that.

and i feel a bit sorry for you as you didn't come up earlier with your conclusions on the games states and where some of the current problems are coming from. this was obvious a very long time ago.

Don't disagree with you

Jaronking · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

Obviously you don't know that all stamina Nb morphs do magick damage.

Ummm do you play Stam NB?If you did you would know surprise attack deal physical damage already. Killer blade deal magic damage.

Derra · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

Obviously you don't know that all stamina Nb morphs do magick damage.

Are you serious - like really really serious? As in not joking?

Cause you´re so absolutely wrong on something you could look up in two seconds ingame... Idk what to say man. Check yourself before you wreck yourself...

SantieClaws · May 2016

You may disagree with khajiits opinion on this matter but sometimes she feels that some of the posts she reads about Mr Wroble have an almost faint sniff of something that feels a bit like schoolyard bullying about them.

This one is somehow uncomfortable reading so much anger directed at one person so often.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

You may disagree with khajiits opinion on this matter but sometimes she feels that some of the posts she reads about Mr Wroble have an almost faint sniff of something that feels a bit like schoolyard bullying about them.

This one is somehow uncomfortable reading so much anger directed at one person so often.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I understand your point. Sorry it seems like that and sorry to wrobel but I'm being honest.

Also cute as hell post xD

Leandor · May 2016

While there is a point in the sense that some design decisions are questionable, the level of personal attacks in this thread is taking it too far.

Considering the experience of the block changes and the fact that with detailed explanations of the changes, the complaints raised by the community where proven unsubstantiated, I'd be very careful about taking a single statement on a single skill as canon for a flat-out "destruction of the class" as being done in the OP.

All I can see so far is pointless panicking.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

Leandor wrote: »

While there is a point in the sense that some design decisions are questionable, the level of personal attacks in this thread is taking it too far.

Shall edit n change.

mtwiggz · May 2016

@Wrobel is honestly one of the worst "project managers" or whatever his actual title is that I've seen in the gaming community in a long time. His forever answer to everything is "nerf it!" instead of first seeking other options. The games balance is getting worse and worse. He's the one to blame.

Would absolutely love to have a nice sit down with you @Wrobel - pick your brain a bit on why and how you make these game crippling decisions.

Leandor · May 2016

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

While there is a point in the sense that some design decisions are questionable, the level of personal attacks in this thread is taking it too far.

Shall edit n change.

Thank you, that is a very decent reaction on your side.

nordickittyhawk · May 2016

@Leandor
Busy at work right now. Changed few things on break but I shall edit more once I'm home. Thank you for concern and understanding.

Duiwel · May 2016

lol @ turning both sorcs into crafting toons god I chuckled real good man

mr1sho · May 2016

SA shouldn't be touch why mess with something that's working fine I'm actually really concerned if they mess with this ability because ZOS has no middle ground they either over buff something or over Nerf something

SneaK · May 2016

They take SA away and I'll be resorting to Dizzying Swing from stealth. IMO, a much worse alternative (for the player getting beat on).

CP5 · May 2016

How much was the damage reduced by? 5%? Yah, not buying the "skill is destroyed" vibe coming from this right now.

willymchilybily · May 2016

so there is a plan to nerf surprise attack.... can i get a link to the reference material?

i dont like reading stuff paraphrased out of context. so much i read on forums and hear in game is people who hear stuff through the grape vine and it loses all context and meaning. Its very sad if its true. because i agree with your points. Stam NB doesnt have much to its aresenal but what it does have is very good and very unique.

It seems odd a skill that has excisted since IC? if not before as a stamina/physcal damage morph has suddenly become too powerful.

I believe the truth is the change to the ultimate and the change to sharpened is the problem, sharpened plus surprise attack allows you to hit just under 10k armor mitigation in one strike? if i under stand it correctly. That's before you consider a focus aim opening the combo, using a mace, and night mothers/encahnts. etc, and now the cheap ultimate instacast ultimate adds even more bust damage

So the reason stam NB have too much burst and are now too powerful are the changes currently planned on the pts but only specific for one build set up. Those who don't run sharpened and prefer soul harvest and dont have this high burst+armor ignoring potential have just been kicked in the balls because of one particular set up?

is "pierce armor" 1H+S also getting a damage nerf?

have you considered.... balancing/fixing the relation ship between armor and penetration/armor mitigation.

i mean you can stack damage and penetration and you lose very little damage for the penetration so the net effect is more damage total. but you cant stack armor without significant sacrifice. It takes all the slots in heavy armor or special gear set ups plus a buff. just to reach high mitigation. This loses ALOT of bonuses from other armor skill lines. but it only takes 1 skill, 1 trait, and 1 enchant to ignore 11-12k of the <33k cap, not to mention an extra 20% from running a mace.

you sacrifice no set bonuses to gain penetration (unless you chose night mother), you sacrifice no skill lines to gain penetration (you can use 1h+shield to debuff, destro to debuff, 2H mace to ignore, 2x1H to ignore). you sacrifice no weapon damage and no sustain. (weapons damage is determined by its color, and level and sustain is purely armor based)

do we see the reason we are struggling with balance yet its not that one skill. its the entire design

DannyLV702 · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

Obviously you don't know that all stamina Nb morphs do magick damage.

Drugs are baaaaad mkaaaaaay?

Brrrofski · May 2016

Stamblades are going to be top dog next patch in pvp. I've never user mien for pve so not sure how it would change that.

Stamblades are already powerful and will be flat out broken next patch, so something needs to be done. Aswell as high burst, they have great resources and good survivability too. It's too much.

dday3six · May 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stamblades are going to be top dog next patch in pvp. I've never user mien for pve so not sure how it would change that.

Stamblades are already powerful and will be flat out broken next patch, so something needs to be done. Aswell as high burst, they have great resources and good survivability too. It's too much.

It would seem that you've not fought any of those Tanky Templar and DK builds.

Brrrofski · May 2016

dday3six wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stamblades are going to be top dog next patch in pvp. I've never user mien for pve so not sure how it would change that.

Stamblades are already powerful and will be flat out broken next patch, so something needs to be done. Aswell as high burst, they have great resources and good survivability too. It's too much.

It would seem that you've not fought any of those Tanky Templar and DK builds.

I've fought everything. Stam NBs and magica sorcs are the top two by quite a bit. Stam NBs are getting pretty big buffs next patch. They're going be even stronger.

OdinForge · May 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

I'm betting the damage will be higher because now it will do poison/physical damage so it will scale off your mighty passive in champion points. Currently it is magick damage. I'm guessing that on the pts it is hitting extremely hard.

Surprise attack magic damage? What year are you in?

Obviously you don't know that all stamina Nb morphs do magick damage.

Have you read the surprise attack tooltip.

Not magic

Robbmrp · May 2016

ZOS just needs to update the skill so that after the initial hit it's no longer a "Surprise Attack"... This nerf is coming from a post I bet that's got a screen print with a death recap of spammed Surprise Attacks......