Is this the removal of Veteran Ranks?! (DARK BROTHERHOOD NEWS)

MoreDino · April 2016

Anything official been mentioned on how the 15 attribute and skill points from vet levels are being handled? Will I lose them on my vet16s? Will new level 50 characters automatically be issued 15 points of each to be on par with older characters?

daemonios · April 2016

MoreDino wrote: »

Anything official been mentioned on how the 15 attribute and skill points from vet levels are being handled? Will I lose them on my vet16s? Will new level 50 characters automatically be issued 15 points of each to be on par with older characters?

I think I read somewhere that these will be distributed among the normal 1-50 levels. Can't find it right now, though.

americansteel · April 2016

terrible teaser

Waseem · April 2016

Hyssia wrote: »

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/04/20/dark-brotherhood-first-look

BASE GAME PATCH FEATURES & CONTENT

Sanctum Ophidia Trial scaling, rebalancing and the addition of a Normal and Veteran mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXtW-atR_l8

WHAT? you do quarter of the job so we just shut up?
what about Aetherian Archives?
Dragonstar Arena?
Hel Ra Citadel?
we need ALL trials in ESO to have the max level ( or max CP ) loot available not just from Sanctum Ophidia

Eshelmen · April 2016

Crafting question that should be answered.

Let's just say-
*level 50 gear starts at 100 CP(just for example)
* Highest CP crafting gear 501 CP (for example).

Are we going to see an increase of required mats for crafting CP gear, the higher the CP requirement is?
One example of "inflated costs" is the difference between crafting VR15 gear and crafting VR16 gear. VR 16 gear requires like ten times the mats as a VR15 piece ! Lol

Is this going to happen with progressing through essentially an unlimited amount of CP/Gear levels? Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. While each rinse and each repeat costs just a little bit more and more? This would absolutely suck.

Check this out.

Here's a crafting example-
100 CP Gear = 75 Ancestor Silk per piece
150 CP Gear= 125 Ancestor Silk per piece
200 CP Gear = 175 Ancestor Silk per piece
501 CP Gear = 350 Ancestor Silk per piece

Now my example numbers are probably far off. But I do believe Zeni would go this route, to make it more grindy the higher CP level you are.
Another thing to ask. Will the amount of GOLD mats needed to improve our CP gear go up too?
As we all know, with the correct skill points invested in Clothing, it takes 8 Druegh Wax to gold out a piece of Light Armor.

I wouldn't be surprised they raise the requirements here either.

Example for improvements-
100 CP = 8 wax per piece
150 CP = 10 wax per piece
200 CP = 12 wax per piece
500 CP = 24 wax per piece

Again, these are probably exaggerated numbers here. But I hope you get what I'm saying here.

Thoughts?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

They arent going to make gear happen like that. You will be able to make 160 cp gear. Thats it. At some point they may raise it but not by 100s of cp. you wont see any "501cp" gear until the actual cap is much higher than that.

Farorin · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

OOOOHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shadesofkin · April 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Crafting question that should be answered.

Let's just say-
*level 50 gear starts at 100 CP(just for example)
* Highest CP crafting gear 501 CP (for example).

Are we going to see an increase of required mats for crafting CP gear, the higher the CP requirement is?
One example of "inflated costs" is the difference between crafting VR15 gear and crafting VR16 gear. VR 16 gear requires like ten times the mats as a VR15 piece ! Lol

Is this going to happen with progressing through essentially an unlimited amount of CP/Gear levels? Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. While each rinse and each repeat costs just a little bit more and more? This would absolutely suck.

Check this out.

Here's a crafting example-
100 CP Gear = 75 Ancestor Silk per piece
150 CP Gear= 125 Ancestor Silk per piece
200 CP Gear = 175 Ancestor Silk per piece
501 CP Gear = 350 Ancestor Silk per piece

Now my example numbers are probably far off. But I do believe Zeni would go this route, to make it more grindy the higher CP level you are.
Another thing to ask. Will the amount of GOLD mats needed to improve our CP gear go up too?
As we all know, with the correct skill points invested in Clothing, it takes 8 Druegh Wax to gold out a piece of Light Armor.

I wouldn't be surprised they raise the requirements here either.

Example for improvements-
100 CP = 8 wax per piece
150 CP = 10 wax per piece
200 CP = 12 wax per piece
500 CP = 24 wax per piece

Again, these are probably exaggerated numbers here. But I hope you get what I'm saying here.

Thoughts?

Won't work like this at all.

160 will be the total requirement for current gear. If they were to add another tier of gear then it wouldn't much more than 200.

Aerius_Sygale · April 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

Finally, we ascend into a more permanent state of the game. Sitting at 722 Champion Points, I am more than ready. First Look is impressive, though not specifics revealing at all in the video itself. Huh, I have some memories of Anvil, namely the haunted house you buy. >.> And Kvatch. For Kvatch! For some reason the Dark Brotherhood guy almost always comes to me in there on my characters, so I guess it is appropriate, heh.

So, two cities? I guess it will be a bigger DLC! At least I certainly hope so, Hew's Bane was so, so small...always was looking more forward to Dark Brotherhood than Thieves Guild, this should be good~

VDoom1 · April 2016

Well mega long story short. As many have said, leveling is going bye bye. At least as we know it. And my drive to level my alts will probably go out the window. Its always been "gotta get them to level 40, then 50, then Veteran 3" etc etc. Now its.."50 and then...CP..o.O....?". Im not liking this. Why on earth are people liking this? So you only have to get to level 50 and then your done leveling, is that why people are liking the removal of veteran ranks? Because they dont have enough willpower to push through the VR? Or just lazy...I dont know. But Im not looking forward to this change. I will admit Im curios how the game will be once we get the update. But I will probably not be happy with the results.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

finally, a fully 'evil' guild to join, i hope this takes off, i want more evil options in eso

((excited, and silently hoping for necromancy for players to be added someday))

DemiDemon · April 2016

VDoom1 wrote: »

Well mega long story short. As many have said, leveling is going bye bye. At least as we know it. And my drive to level my alts will probably go out the window. Its always been "gotta get them to level 40, then 50, then Veteran 3" etc etc. Now its.."50 and then...CP..o.O....?". Im not liking this. Why on earth are people liking this? So you only have to get to level 50 and then your done leveling, is that why people are liking the removal of veteran ranks? Because they dont have enough willpower to push through the VR? Or just lazy...I dont know. But Im not looking forward to this change. I will admit Im curios how the game will be once we get the update. But I will probably not be happy with the results.

Kinda how I feel. Not the lazy part though but I'd love to hit VR ranks before removal. Sadly I doubt I will. My main is 37 and my alt is 26 currently. Doubt I will get to VR on my alt any time soon. Dx

VDoom1 · April 2016

DemiDemon wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Well mega long story short. As many have said, leveling is going bye bye. At least as we know it. And my drive to level my alts will probably go out the window. Its always been "gotta get them to level 40, then 50, then Veteran 3" etc etc. Now its.."50 and then...CP..o.O....?". Im not liking this. Why on earth are people liking this? So you only have to get to level 50 and then your done leveling, is that why people are liking the removal of veteran ranks? Because they dont have enough willpower to push through the VR? Or just lazy...I dont know. But Im not looking forward to this change. I will admit Im curios how the game will be once we get the update. But I will probably not be happy with the results.

Kinda how I feel. Not the lazy part though but I'd love to hit VR ranks before removal. Sadly I doubt I will. My main is 37 and my alt is 26 currently. Doubt I will get to VR on my alt any time soon. Dx

Yeah I got several alts and they are still some distance from level 50. I doubt anyone of them will see Veteran 1. I just dont get what Zenimax is doing. There has to be some kind of new leveling system coming if VR is going away. We cant just be stuck with CP. I really hope that some new leveling system will come eventually.

Horker · April 2016

Hyssia wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

We have known for quite some time vet ranks would be removed with DB.

With "we" I suppose you mean the kind of people who actually open any website related to ZoS/ZoS news and click on links etc.

after seeing your signature,
damn quite impressive CP u have, nothing rel8ed to dis, but just a compliment.
got a *** from that link tough..

and ur capslock names, got 2 prompts already? i had 5 so far x))))

maboleth · April 2016

Can anyone explain to me how will Alts inherit max levels from your better characters, once they remove vets?

Wollust · April 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Any word about the PvP vendor gear being scaled up to V16 (well, the new max CP requirement or whatever)? Please?

Magdalina · April 2016

VDoom1 wrote: »

Well mega long story short. As many have said, leveling is going bye bye. At least as we know it. And my drive to level my alts will probably go out the window. Its always been "gotta get them to level 40, then 50, then Veteran 3" etc etc. Now its.."50 and then...CP..o.O....?". Im not liking this. Why on earth are people liking this? So you only have to get to level 50 and then your done leveling, is that why people are liking the removal of veteran ranks? Because they dont have enough willpower to push through the VR? Or just lazy...I dont know. But Im not looking forward to this change. I will admit Im curios how the game will be once we get the update. But I will probably not be happy with the results.

Yes, exactly. Now when I want to try a new build I can finally just level a toon to level 50 and then, you know, actually enjoy the game. PvP competitively. Run vet dungeons with my friends. Do vDSA. Trials. Experiment with different builds and sets since I'll have them all available without having to slog through 16 vet levels.

Call me lazy for not wanting to "push through VR" for 4th time if you like. It's a game I play for fun and I'd like to try to have said fun without this timesink.

Zaldan · April 2016

I'm amazed they're removing vet ranks with a DLC, the amount of bugs with each DLC so far and they're doing one of the hardest things they've ever attempted at the same time? we're going to be lucky if the game is even playable for the first week.

also any ideas on this, I have a vr3, vr6, vr8, vr15 and a vr16 but after vet rank removal they're all going to be the same as they all have 400 odd cp currently? will they gear on all but the vr16 automatically upgrade to max cp level or will I have to make loads of new gear?

Mike0987 · April 2016

Would be nice if we could get a one time character name reset since it will be on display for all to see... My first characters name (my main charcter) I couldn't think of one that wasn't already taken but now regret the one he has.

mariskaas · April 2016

VDoom1 wrote: »

DemiDemon wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Well mega long story short. As many have said, leveling is going bye bye. At least as we know it. And my drive to level my alts will probably go out the window. Its always been "gotta get them to level 40, then 50, then Veteran 3" etc etc. Now its.."50 and then...CP..o.O....?". Im not liking this. Why on earth are people liking this? So you only have to get to level 50 and then your done leveling, is that why people are liking the removal of veteran ranks? Because they dont have enough willpower to push through the VR? Or just lazy...I dont know. But Im not looking forward to this change. I will admit Im curios how the game will be once we get the update. But I will probably not be happy with the results.

Kinda how I feel. Not the lazy part though but I'd love to hit VR ranks before removal. Sadly I doubt I will. My main is 37 and my alt is 26 currently. Doubt I will get to VR on my alt any time soon. Dx

Yeah I got several alts and they are still some distance from level 50. I doubt anyone of them will see Veteran 1. I just dont get what Zenimax is doing. There has to be some kind of new leveling system coming if VR is going away. We cant just be stuck with CP. I really hope that some new leveling system will come eventually.

If champion points would become character based and not account-wide it would count as a leveling system..

tinythinker · April 2016

daemonios wrote: »

MoreDino wrote: »

Anything official been mentioned on how the 15 attribute and skill points from vet levels are being handled? Will I lose them on my vet16s? Will new level 50 characters automatically be issued 15 points of each to be on par with older characters?

I think I read somewhere that these will be distributed among the normal 1-50 levels. Can't find it right now, though.

Yup, something like certain levels that are multiples of either 5 or 10 will get more points as you go from 1 to 50.

Divinius · April 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

MoreDino wrote: »

Anything official been mentioned on how the 15 attribute and skill points from vet levels are being handled? Will I lose them on my vet16s? Will new level 50 characters automatically be issued 15 points of each to be on par with older characters?

I think I read somewhere that these will be distributed among the normal 1-50 levels. Can't find it right now, though.

Yup, something like certain levels that are multiples of either 5 or 10 will get more points as you go from 1 to 50.

Exactly.

Levels 5, 15, 25, 35, and 45 will get an extra skill point, so you'll get 2 instead of 1.
Levels 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 will get two extra skill points, so you'll get 3 instead of 1.

This adds up to a total of 64 skill points from levels 2 through 50, which is the same total as you get now for leveling all the way to VR16.

Omg_Pwned · April 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno Still no buff / debuff informations for console ?

Almost_Emily · April 2016

I'm getting a 25g update right now... is this the base patch? Is ZOS going to give us ample time to hit vr16 before removing the system?

Withholding information can be exciting, but hopefully we get a timeline (or like more than a day of warning) regarding when you're about to change something drastically.

Saturn · April 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I'm glad most of the things we've expected are being introduced. I'm concerned there aren't any new 4-man dungeons, BUT a scaled Sanctum isn't awful news.

Hopefully they'll make the Mantikora fight less RNG bullsh*t while they are at it

Nyx2 · April 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Crafting question that should be answered.

Let's just say-
*level 50 gear starts at 100 CP(just for example)
* Highest CP crafting gear 501 CP (for example).

Are we going to see an increase of required mats for crafting CP gear, the higher the CP requirement is?
One example of "inflated costs" is the difference between crafting VR15 gear and crafting VR16 gear. VR 16 gear requires like ten times the mats as a VR15 piece ! Lol

Is this going to happen with progressing through essentially an unlimited amount of CP/Gear levels? Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. While each rinse and each repeat costs just a little bit more and more? This would absolutely suck.

Check this out.

Here's a crafting example-
100 CP Gear = 75 Ancestor Silk per piece
150 CP Gear= 125 Ancestor Silk per piece
200 CP Gear = 175 Ancestor Silk per piece
501 CP Gear = 350 Ancestor Silk per piece

Thoughts?

My thoughts are why are you wasting so many resources on gear that is going to be obsolete to you soon anyways?

Wifeaggro13 · April 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I'm glad most of the things we've expected are being introduced. I'm concerned there aren't any new 4-man dungeons, BUT a scaled Sanctum isn't awful news.

Id even settle for a new vet dungeon. Slap a room or two on to an exsiting dungeon change the bosses up, done and done. It is actually sort of sad now that i type out what i will settle for.

The whole thing stinks they have done nothing really for what should be the crown jewel of the Group PVE game . TG and DB are nothing but fluff updates and quality of life content . Even the passives really have no impact on the character or game world as a whole . they are passives that work for the zone at hand and the dailies involved.

Seriously this is it for this game . this is a complete redirection from what they said the game plans were 18 months ago. canceling both my subs there is no point in giving them monthly money for access to content i have zero interest in, or guilds that have fluff solo content.

Ashtaris · April 2016

Kwivur wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

I'm curious about these crafter bags with ESO Plus. Are these limited? Do they have a max item count? Or do they carry every single mat in the game?

All mats and endless stacking

Do you have a source for this statement? I haven't seen much as to the details of the crafting bags yet.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

Looking over the eight pages of this thread, a realization occurs to me.

Half of our issues right now are created by Zenimax and their timing.

Whether you are for the removal of VR's or are against the removal, the timing and nature of the announcement sucks. They announced that VR's are going away with the release of the Dark Brotherhood. OK, I can understand that. But that's all they've told us.

They basically said: "OK guys, here's a sneak peek at what we're doing. We know that the removal of VR's is an extremely divisive issue in the Community, but we're only letting you know that they're going away and not telling you even the slightest bit about how we're doing it! So go ahead and speculate aimlessly and flame the dog crap out of each other while we hold off on any actual information for a month or longer!"

@ZOS_GinaBruno : While I am generally supportive of Zenimax, your handling of this game, and the updates you make to it to keep it running well and fun in most every aspect; I highly resent a bomb of this magnitude dropping on this Forum Community with zero information to keep the furor to a respectable level. Especially with such an emotionally charged issue about a game that people obviously feel deeply involved with.

This could have been handled much better. I also understand that as Community Manager, your hands were most likely very well tied as far as what information you were/were not allowed to share. So my ire isn't directed at you primarily. My ire is devoted to the people above you whom have ham-stringed you and did not allow any substantive information to be released regarding an issue of this magnitude.

Any Forum wars are your fault, Zenimax. I hope that's clear.

ZOS_GinaBruno · April 2016

Hey guys! We know there's a lot of questions about how Veteran Rank removal is going to work, and we will be publishing details on everything in the near future. Remember this article was just a first look; we're not going to leave you high and dry on the details for big changes like this.