Is this the removal of Veteran Ranks?! (DARK BROTHERHOOD NEWS)

tinythinker

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Champ points give you more heath, stamina, and magicka outright plus whatever perks you invest them in.

GreenGhostMan

Character names on XB1! Poison crafting! Item-locking!! Vet removal!!

Wow... Awesome.

VDoom1

tinythinker wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Champ points give you more heath, stamina, and magicka outright plus whatever perks you invest them in.

That Im aware of. But other then that nothing will change. Level wise there will be no higher levels. You will just be stuck at 50 forever. No, plus Im no big fan of being demoted. All veterans will just be kicked back to 50. Im not against at one point there will just be a final level. But 50 seems like a very low number for that. Compared to, I dont know. Lord Of The Rings online for example. Where the max level was first 95, then 100, then 105. Sure at one point that game will also one day just come to a final level. But 50? Just seems like there should be more.

AOECAPS

Unless they announce something better for the actual DLC I'm looking forward to not paying for this. No dungeons to speak of and I'm not into the erh ma here skyrim oblivion single player stuff. We have already had that with the last two DLCs don't need to squander money for this also

SerasWhip

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

why did you do this to us.. Now other alliances' quests will be useless

tinythinker

VDoom1 wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Champ points give you more heath, stamina, and magicka outright plus whatever perks you invest them in.

That Im aware of. But other then that nothing will change. Level wise there will be no higher levels. You will just be stuck at 50 forever. No, plus Im no big fan of being demoted. All veterans will just be kicked back to 50. Im not against at one point there will just be a final level. But 50 seems like a very low number for that. Compared to, I dont know. Lord Of The Rings online for example. Where the max level was first 95, then 100, then 105. Sure at one point that game will also one day just come to a final level. But 50? Just seems like there should be more.

Or, maybe you will have a little thing where VR is displayed at present that gives your CR. You are level 50 now, you've just achieved additional "veteran ranks". Your VR will be converted to CR, so no progress is lost. And as you acknowledged, you will still be as powerful with increased attributes and gear other players don't have the CR to (fully) use. Instead of a possible cap one day of (VR) 16, the top cap possible will be (CR) 3600, but only after many level cap raises.

W0lf_z13

personally I did not mind the whole leveling v1 to v16.... i may have only 1 vet16 toon, but i was working my way up there with another toon ( have a v5 not listed in my sig ) i was learning how to fight (PvE wise) with a new character during that progression through the vet levels... would have kept going with that toon but i got hooked on BwB with my low lvl toons lol

aldriq

Nifty2g wrote: »

i really dont want vet ranks to go... we've had them for too long to add a bug free experience

Know this: in Tamriel no one is safe... especially from bugs!

I really don't think the vet rank removal is going to be as traumatic as people fear, it could be a very straightforward conversion, in fact, provided not much else is tweaked at the same time (and given that they are not re-scaling Craglorn or the Caldwell zones I suspect they don't want to change much this time to avoid trouble).

Uriel_Nocturne

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Exactly my point.

As things stand now, I've got one VR16, one VR7, two VR6's. I'm at 337 CP right now, so all of my VR characters will be able to run with Rubedite/Ancestor Silk/Ruby Ash equipment the second that patch finishes downloading.

They'll all be "Max level". But then what?

What is there to strive for? Exploring the other Alliances? The Daggerfall Covenant is boring enough to put me to sleep on those insomnia nights. While I generally like the Aldmeri Dominion, they should have named it "The Explore Grahtwood Indefinitely Alliance"...

With the VR levels, I always had something to strive for. If not on my Main Sorcerer (my VR16), then by working on my Templar (my VR7). But there was always something to strive for. That next Vet Rank. That next Tier of equipment to craft.

Now... just like all of those other MMO's that instituted horizontal character improvement instead of upwardly mobile Character progressions via additional levels... I left those other MMO's because horizontal characters are damn boring.

There's nothing to strive for with that model.

And I really hope that boredom doesn't set in with ESO. I really, really like this game...

Tommy1979AtWar

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean console text chat isn't coming with the DB patch?

It certainly looks like it's gonna be much later in the year which kinda sucks really.

GreenSoup2HoT

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

The power ill feel when vet ranks are removed.

MacCait

This all looks great! Can't wait! Everything sounds awesome... except veteran removal... i'm gonna cry when I say goodbye to my Vet 16's... but i'll go with the flow on that one

olsborg

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

Yes, this is great news, but dear @ZOS_GinaBruno , when is race change coming?? pls

tinythinker

olsborg wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep! It's happening in the next update, for real.

Yes, this is great news, but dear @ZOS_GinaBruno , when is race change coming?? pls

How many SOONs and NO ETAs will this get

VDoom1

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Exactly my point.

As things stand now, I've got one VR16, one VR7, two VR6's. I'm at 337 CP right now, so all of my VR characters will be able to run with Rubedite/Ancestor Silk/Ruby Ash equipment the second that patch finishes downloading.

They'll all be "Max level". But then what?

What is there to strive for? Exploring the other Alliances? The Daggerfall Covenant is boring enough to put me to sleep on those insomnia nights. While I generally like the Aldmeri Dominion, they should have named it "The Explore Grahtwood Indefinitely Alliance"...

With the VR levels, I always had something to strive for. If not on my Main Sorcerer (my VR16), then by working on my Templar (my VR7). But there was always something to strive for. That next Vet Rank. That next Tier of equipment to craft.

Now... just like all of those other MMO's that instituted horizontal character improvement instead of upwardly mobile Character progressions via additional levels... I left those other MMO's because horizontal characters are damn boring.

There's nothing to strive for with that model.

And I really hope that boredom doesn't set in with ESO. I really, really like this game...

High five Uriel_Nocturne. Ive taken some gaming breaks now and then so I could have been VT 16 by now but Im at Veteran 6 on my main. But when the next update comes I will most likely scratch my head and totally be like "now what?". Ive gained 3 Veteran levels recently. All because Ive been totally like "I wanna get to Veteran 16!". Now its like all drive will be gone. Its not that I want to just have that "Veteran" and then whatever level I am above my name. Its just that now everyone will just be...stuck really.

Lysette

Eshelmen wrote: »

But on the flipside, for those who have been shelling out 15 bucks a month, will finally have something actually worth subscribing for. 10% increase is nice, but it's not worth $15 a month. Something else exclusive has to be added to ESO Plus and this is a definite exclusive that sets the difference between not paying a dime all month to those who do.

Having all DLCs, 10% increase and now crafters bags? It makes it a lot easier for subbing and supporting this game even further. IMO. Not everything should have shortcuts (IE single crown store purchases)

That, and you get 18,000 crowns per year to spend on other things than DLCs, when subbed as well. If you pay on a 6-month base, it is just 11 bucks/month and you get 9,000 crowns immediately to spend on stuff.

sneakymitchell

I'm interested in the new changes for item traits. At least hopefully not used infused or diamond for my hole sets. At least hopefully to have a wide amount of things to choose from would be nice.

Tholian1

Lysette wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

But on the flipside, for those who have been shelling out 15 bucks a month, will finally have something actually worth subscribing for. 10% increase is nice, but it's not worth $15 a month. Something else exclusive has to be added to ESO Plus and this is a definite exclusive that sets the difference between not paying a dime all month to those who do.

Having all DLCs, 10% increase and now crafters bags? It makes it a lot easier for subbing and supporting this game even further. IMO. Not everything should have shortcuts (IE single crown store purchases)

That, and you get 18,000 crowns per year to spend on other things than DLCs, when subbed as well. If you pay on a 6-month base, it is just 11 bucks/month and you get 9,000 crowns immediately to spend on stuff.

Except on consoles. We can only sub monthly.

Lysette

Tholian1 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

But on the flipside, for those who have been shelling out 15 bucks a month, will finally have something actually worth subscribing for. 10% increase is nice, but it's not worth $15 a month. Something else exclusive has to be added to ESO Plus and this is a definite exclusive that sets the difference between not paying a dime all month to those who do.

Having all DLCs, 10% increase and now crafters bags? It makes it a lot easier for subbing and supporting this game even further. IMO. Not everything should have shortcuts (IE single crown store purchases)

That, and you get 18,000 crowns per year to spend on other things than DLCs, when subbed as well. If you pay on a 6-month base, it is just 11 bucks/month and you get 9,000 crowns immediately to spend on stuff.

Except on consoles. We can only sub monthly.

Oh that's a shame, I am sorry for you guys.

Uriel_Nocturne

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Exactly my point.

As things stand now, I've got one VR16, one VR7, two VR6's. I'm at 337 CP right now, so all of my VR characters will be able to run with Rubedite/Ancestor Silk/Ruby Ash equipment the second that patch finishes downloading.

They'll all be "Max level". But then what?

What is there to strive for? Exploring the other Alliances? The Daggerfall Covenant is boring enough to put me to sleep on those insomnia nights. While I generally like the Aldmeri Dominion, they should have named it "The Explore Grahtwood Indefinitely Alliance"...

With the VR levels, I always had something to strive for. If not on my Main Sorcerer (my VR16), then by working on my Templar (my VR7). But there was always something to strive for. That next Vet Rank. That next Tier of equipment to craft.

Now... just like all of those other MMO's that instituted horizontal character improvement instead of upwardly mobile Character progressions via additional levels... I left those other MMO's because horizontal characters are damn boring.

There's nothing to strive for with that model.

And I really hope that boredom doesn't set in with ESO. I really, really like this game...

High five Uriel_Nocturne. Ive taken some gaming breaks now and then so I could have been VT 16 by now but Im at Veteran 6 on my main. But when the next update comes I will most likely scratch my head and totally be like "now what?". Ive gained 3 Veteran levels recently. All because Ive been totally like "I wanna get to Veteran 16!". Now its like all drive will be gone. Its not that I want to just have that "Veteran" and then whatever level I am above my name. Its just that now everyone will just be...stuck really.

Exactly my point.

They're instituting a stagnant, horizontal character progression system and placing too much emphasis on background passive increases (the CP constellation nodes) rather than actually giving you something to strive for with your characters.

Another change made to cater to impatient PvP players with little thought to how it will stagnate the rest of the game.

Justice31st

Fix the PvP lag next update and I will even resubscribe.

EZgoin76

Is text chat for consoles still such a headache for the programmers that it's going to take longer than the DB update to implement?

EZgoin76

Is text chat for consoles still such a headache for the programmers that it's going to take longer than the DB update to implement?

NMT

Joy_Division wrote: »

While I am looking forward to feature long requested such as extra character slots (something I do think it is OK to charge us crowns for), the motif preview option really should be in the base game. I don't think that quality of life improvement is something we should have to spend money on.

I think it probably means you can preview the motif item looks in from the crown store....like you currently can with outfits.

Nogawd

Meh, strive for what? I get that a title of v16 makes some feel like a boss (and make up for real life insecurities) but it should be more so on what type of player you are, not what your level says.

I'm for it, good call.

Rune_Relic

Nifty2g wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

DARK BROTHERHOOD DLC GAME PACK FEATURES & CONTENT

Join the Dark Brotherhood and become an assassin for hire
Visit the Gold Coast, available to characters of all levels, where you can explore Anvil and Kvatch for the first time since The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Hours of exciting story content and quests that will have you revisiting your favorite areas of Tamriel
New, repeatable quest content involving Contracts and the Black Sacrament
Challenging new group bosses and delves to conquer
A new passive skill line exclusive to members of the Dark Brotherhood
Unique costumes, motifs and item sets inspired by the deadly Dark Brotherhood

Sounds nice. Hope it's a bit longer than the Thieves Guild. Finished that in a week - save for the trial - and haven't felt compelled to go back there.

BASE GAME PATCH FEATURES & CONTENT

The removal of Veteran Ranks

Meh... Never asked for it. Let's see how it goes.

Poison-Making, for those who want to be especially nasty to their enemies

This could be interesting, but I'm curious about balancing. If you can do massive poison damage together with hard-hitting abilities - think stealthy NB snipe spammer ganker - it could become yet another issue in PvP.

Toggle-able nameplates for all characters
Character name display for Xbox One and PlayStation®4

Meh. Not going to use it myself, but I guess it can't hurt that others can enable it. The console thing seems to be good news, they've been playing for close to a year with their character names rendered meaningless.

Item locking to help prevent accidental deconstruction of your most valuable items

Good, it's one of those things that just make sense and add-on creators had already stepped in to fix. While you're at it: Advanced Filters? Awesome Guild Store? Alpha Gear? Those all should be in the base game for PC/Mac and consoles alike.

Further improvements and new features to the Grouping Tool including a group ready check, vote-to-kick system, and updated queue timer

Will you be removing the ability for the leader to disband the group? Please do.

Tons of updates to the Crown Store including additional character slots, motif previews, and hats

Character slots are the first thing I see that actually makes sense in the Crown Store. Should have been the first thing there. Don't know if I'll use them, but at least it's not texture packs applied on the same old 3d models. Also, while you're working on previews, PLEASE introduce a full-blown item preview system. The tiny icons you get at crafting stations are pitiful as a way to see what gear will look like on your character. Let us dress up and equip our characters with mock gear from any level/style/weight combination with a full 3d model of our character similar to the one in the character selection screen.

Craft Bags for ESO Plus members

As a 0-day subscriber, I approve of this.

Improvements and adjustments to Item Traits

Are you removing well-fitted from the game? You are removing it, aren't you? Aren't you? Also, are you removing staffs with tanky set bonuses and heavy armour with DPS set bonuses from the loot tables?

Ongoing Cyrodiil performance improvements

*grabs popcorn*

Sanctum Ophidia Trial scaling, rebalancing and the addition of a Normal and Veteran mode

So will you be making it kind of like Maw of Lorkhaj, where the vet version is very hard and the normal version is tough, but beatable by moderatly good groups? Also, will the gear drops scale to max level? If so, why just SO and not AA/Hel-Ra/DSA?

Balance improvements to combat and gameplay abilities including the Fighters Guild skill line, Vampires and stamina abilities
…and more!

You are going to test them thoroughly on the PTS, aren't you? Also, whoever is "balancing" skills is actually playing the game, aren't they?

In addition, we have numerous changes and improvements for previous DLC game packs including a new District capture system for Imperial City, and rebalancing for the Imperial City dungeons.

So, WGT and ICP nerf confirmed?

Why the heck are so many against well-fitted?- I like this trait, maybe it is not that useful on higher levels, but at lower levels it allows me to sprint for more than double the time than without it, with all 7 armor pieces made well-fitted.

... because its a useless trait other than "low level" lol I mean you answered that yourself

Useless for harvesting nodes ?

Lysette

Nogawd wrote: »

Meh, strive for what? I get that a title of v16 makes some feel like a boss (and make up for real life insecurities) but it should be more so on what type of player you are, not what your level says.

I'm for it, good call.

And it adds to the surprise effect, if you don't know exactly what the guy is capable of, which you have to face. I find this very good in EVE online - yes, I mention it again, sorry - which is just skill-driven and has no levels at all. You can guess from the age of the player character, how many skill points he might have, but you do never know, if he has specialized into something and in this niche he might be as good or even better than a veteran player, even he is just for couple of months in the game. This is really interesting to play, when you do not really know what awaits you.

Uriel_Nocturne

Lysette wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

Meh, strive for what? I get that a title of v16 makes some feel like a boss (and make up for real life insecurities) but it should be more so on what type of player you are, not what your level says.

I'm for it, good call.

And it adds to the surprise effect, if you don't know exactly what the guy is capable of, which you have to face. I find this very good in EVE online - yes, I mention it again, sorry - which is just skill-driven and has no levels at all. You can guess from the age of the player character, how many skill points he might have, but you do never know, if he has specialized into something and in this niche he might be as good or even better than a veteran player, even he is just for couple of months in the game. This is really interesting to play, when you do not really know what awaits you.

I may be wrong, but this sounds like a PvP-centric point of view.

the removal of VR's is going to stagnate the PvE side of the game. You know, the other 3/4 of the game that Zeni is apparently not taking into consideration?

Xsorus

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

Pretty much.

They've favored horizontal progression over actually progressing and growing a character for this game.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What will VR be replaced with? Do you just login and see all your characters at level 50? Or will you see level 54 instead of VR4? Will there be problems with wearing gear or weapons sets, or will they be totally reworked or just disappear? This is like a major thing that should have some details given. Are people currently leveling VR ranks for nothing? This is going to be interesting.

All progression will be based on champion points after level 50.
Veteren gear level requirements( Like a VR 16 chest piece) will be replaced with champion point requirements. (Like a CP 300 Chest Piece)

Really? So champion points thats it. There will be no level 51 or any other new kind of leveling system?

thats is correct, champion points were implemented as the complete replacement of vet system ... so lvl 50 will be the max level, then its champion points only after that

Well no offense to anyone or Zenimax but that seems really stupid. So really any kind of real progression of a character is gonna be removed. And what its being replaced with is, well not any kind of progression or leveling. What the heck? O.o How have people been looking forward to the removal of Veteran Ranks when its gonna be replaced with...nothing really.

Exactly my point.

As things stand now, I've got one VR16, one VR7, two VR6's. I'm at 337 CP right now, so all of my VR characters will be able to run with Rubedite/Ancestor Silk/Ruby Ash equipment the second that patch finishes downloading.

They'll all be "Max level". But then what?

What is there to strive for? Exploring the other Alliances? The Daggerfall Covenant is boring enough to put me to sleep on those insomnia nights. While I generally like the Aldmeri Dominion, they should have named it "The Explore Grahtwood Indefinitely Alliance"...

With the VR levels, I always had something to strive for. If not on my Main Sorcerer (my VR16), then by working on my Templar (my VR7). But there was always something to strive for. That next Vet Rank. That next Tier of equipment to craft.

Now... just like all of those other MMO's that instituted horizontal character improvement instead of upwardly mobile Character progressions via additional levels... I left those other MMO's because horizontal characters are damn boring.

There's nothing to strive for with that model.

And I really hope that boredom doesn't set in with ESO. I really, really like this game...

High five Uriel_Nocturne. Ive taken some gaming breaks now and then so I could have been VT 16 by now but Im at Veteran 6 on my main. But when the next update comes I will most likely scratch my head and totally be like "now what?". Ive gained 3 Veteran levels recently. All because Ive been totally like "I wanna get to Veteran 16!". Now its like all drive will be gone. Its not that I want to just have that "Veteran" and then whatever level I am above my name. Its just that now everyone will just be...stuck really.

Exactly my point.

They're instituting a stagnant, horizontal character progression system and placing too much emphasis on background passive increases (the CP constellation nodes) rather than actually giving you something to strive for with your characters.

Another change made to cater to impatient PvP players with little thought to how it will stagnate the rest of the game.

I'm sorry...Veteran levels are in no way something to strive for.

There is absolutely zero difference between a VR rank and a Champion Rank in terms of increasing in level...Only Champion Rank is actually better in terms of giving reward.

Lysette

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

Meh, strive for what? I get that a title of v16 makes some feel like a boss (and make up for real life insecurities) but it should be more so on what type of player you are, not what your level says.

I'm for it, good call.

And it adds to the surprise effect, if you don't know exactly what the guy is capable of, which you have to face. I find this very good in EVE online - yes, I mention it again, sorry - which is just skill-driven and has no levels at all. You can guess from the age of the player character, how many skill points he might have, but you do never know, if he has specialized into something and in this niche he might be as good or even better than a veteran player, even he is just for couple of months in the game. This is really interesting to play, when you do not really know what awaits you.

I may be wrong, but this sounds like a PvP-centric point of view.

the removal of VR's is going to stagnate the PvE side of the game. You know, the other 3/4 of the game that Zeni is apparently not taking into consideration?

I am too unexperienced with ESO yet, so I do not know these effects, sorry. EVE is PvP everywhere, so clearly this is a pvp centric point of view. One side of EVE is building all the stuff, the other destroys all the stuff, and in the middle are the economy focused players. So pvp makes sense there, it is important and keeps the economy going. in ESO pvp has unfortunately no effect on anything - this is totally different.