PVP rewards

LadyChaos

awkwarrd wrote: »

Do you want them?

could you please make an unbiased poll.. so I can vote and give sincere opinion... ie don't make all the answers meet your agenda...

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

LadyChaos wrote: »

could you please make an unbiased poll.. so I can vote and give sincere opinion... ie don't make all the answers meet your agenda...

I could, but then i would be catering to the PVE crowd who see it differently.

LadyChaos

awkwarrd wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

could you please make an unbiased poll.. so I can vote and give sincere opinion... ie don't make all the answers meet your agenda...

I could, but then i would be catering to the PVE crowd who see it differently.

I'm PvP > PvE personally.. as EVE is my top 2 games of all time... If Battlefield/CoD gives stat bonuses/weapons via the storyline I expect to compete with the guy swilling to do them.. I am not in those cases and don't cry at their advantage.

unbiased doesn't matter what your stance is.. it means you have faith in your cause being just and you accept the will and poll of the populace. Unbiased means you put it out there no agenda, and take the opinion of he people as it comes. This poll is too biased for many of us who care about PvP but don't agree with your particular agenda, are able to vote.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

@LadyChaos
Ok,
So which options are biased and why?

What options would you add if you could?

LadyChaos

awkwarrd wrote: »

Do you want them?
I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.
I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily.
I want Gold and Experience
I'm happy with the bare minimum we have now, ill never be 50+

I appreciate your integrity to your cause, sincerely.

"I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up." >> "I want Experience in Cyrodiil to be equal to all other zones, so i don't have to go PVE to level up." This I think covers both your opinion and opposition opinion rightly to be unbiased.

take off"bare minimum" and "I'll never be 50+", from the last choice. the only option that counters your personal opinion has a caveat... ie if you disagree you must agree to some other smaller slight to the discussion. ie "I'm happy with how it is now"

"I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily." Also extremely personal objective, Just cut it to "I like the Quest as daily".

"I want gold and experience".. to >> "I want gold and experiencing in Cyrodiil, without going elsewhere" It is a sincere option and should be clear that you mean they want it only in Cyrodiil. Everyone wants gold and experience.. ect...

I hope you take my feedback on this poll sincerely not as a slight on your cause.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

@LadyChaos
That's exactly the kind of reply i was hoping for.

Those "Extra" bits on those 2 options, i would view as nothing special, they hint at what was giving the only noticeable rewards, and those that know what those are, understand and vote without problem.

Before that 20kill quest was turned into a daily, people would focus on doing that quest as much as they could, everytime they died, they would teleport back and hand it in before returning to the fight.
The experience you get without it, is noticeable.
The fact is, that most people used that quest for experience, it was the only thing that gave that chunk of exp that you were happy to have been in a fight for.
The exp you get now, and the once a day exp quest, is very poor, in comparison to PVE.

By "bare minimum" i aimed it at the fact you can't do anything more.
There are other quests there, but they take you away from the fight, or the place to capture is already captured, so you can't do them, or are not participating by scouting, and the quest's that aren't 20kills give bad rewards.
There is nothing extra you can do to get more, other than capturing more towers, which when plagued by crashes and loading screens, you may not even get the rewards.
So realistically it is the bare minimum.
Unless you run off with your guild to oil pot a tower with a scroll, like the many youtube videos you can now see.

As a PVP person, you can understand why they are biased from some people's perspectives.
But when you PVP for a long period of time, and notice you gained ALOT less in rewards compared to your time in PVE, then you can see the system is Biased anyway, it favors PVE for all of the rewards, the only thing that is different is the AP, and you can't even buy Soulgems with that..

I could go on about the Gold gained via the PVP vs PVE, and continue on the Soulgem example, but i hope at this point you see why the POLL should be biased and the reasons behind why.

LadyChaos

awkwarrd wrote: »

@LadyChaos
That's exactly the kind of reply i was hoping for.

but yet you still rely on a biased poll to push agenda? This means no one who sees the agenda bias takes it serious.

joshisanonymous

Cydone wrote: »

Why should questing in PvE offer drastically better rewards than trying to level in PvP? Even before the repeatable kill 20 player quest was nerfed, it still wasn't on par with PvE, so taking it out made no sense at all. That quest, pre-nerf, was the only thing keeping the leveling experience in PvP even remotely close to that of PvP.

Why should leveling in PvP be similar or close to on par with leveling in PvE you ask?? Well, because ZOS specifically said that would be supporting this and trying to keep the leveling experience similar. Which they pretty much completely turned face on less than a week into the games release.

From what I understand, people easily reached level 50 in the first 3 days of early access before the quest was changed, which is far faster than those who were PvEing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was pretty sure that's why the quest was made daily.

I guess that's sort of besides the point. Did Zenimax say that PvP should level you just as fast or just that it should level you? This is a real question as I don't actually know. Either way, I think it's fine for things to change and I'm still satisfied with how it is now, but you make a decent point for why some people might be frustrated that PvEing is more efficient.

awkwarrd wrote: »

His whole first paragraph is a contradiction and probably trolling, it may even be a 2nd account of someone else.

He picked on the choices, gave no reason that could be understood in english, unless he just didn't type out his reason, it looks like he was going somewhere with it, but he went sideways with everything he said.

He didn't vote, he doesn't PVP, he seems to be angry toward admitting he's a casual.
He couldn't associate a few things in the vote choices together, which right away shows me he doesn't PVP, and if he thought differently.. he didn't express how, so you can pretty much assume his post is troll.

Seriously? You describe what I said as if I was speaking a different language or something. Were you drunk when you wrote this? How on Earth did you come to these conclusions based on what I wrote?

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

joshisanonymous wrote: »

From what I understand, people easily reached level 50 in the first 3 days of early access before the quest was changed, which is far faster than those who were PvEing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was pretty sure that's why the quest was made daily.

Incorrect.
This is a rumour and false.
The reason it was turned into a daily, was because they thought it was taking people away from playing the Cyradiil game, that is all.
No-one got to level 50 by using this repeatable quest.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

I guess that's sort of besides the point. Did Zenimax say that PvP should level you just as fast or just that it should level you? This is a real question as I don't actually know. Either way, I think it's fine for things to change and I'm still satisfied with how it is now, but you make a decent point for why some people might be frustrated that PvEing is more efficient.

No ZOS, said you should be able to PVE and PVP at the same pace with good rewards in both, and be able to jump between the 2.

What they didn't say is that PVE far outweighs the gains, as a PVP person, you will struggle to be able to afford and do the things a PVE person can.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Seriously? You describe what I said as if I was speaking a different language or something. Were you drunk when you wrote this? How on Earth did you come to these conclusions based on what I wrote?

No because the way you explained yourself in that fat paragraph jumped from 1 thing to the next.
IF you go back and read what you wrote, can you say that everyone would understand everything you tried to say in there? and be able to have a dialogue with you about it.

You immediately had someone wanting to flame you for that post, and it wasn't me.

joshisanonymous

awkwarrd wrote: »

You immediately had someone wanting to flame you for that post, and it wasn't me.

No one flamed me except you. It made perfect sense and a few other people here have also mentioned that the poll is extremely biased (read: meaningless).

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Why should questing in PvE offer drastically better rewards than trying to level in PvP? Even before the repeatable kill 20 player quest was nerfed, it still wasn't on par with PvE, so taking it out made no sense at all. That quest, pre-nerf, was the only thing keeping the leveling experience in PvP even remotely close to that of PvP.

Why should leveling in PvP be similar or close to on par with leveling in PvE you ask?? Well, because ZOS specifically said that would be supporting this and trying to keep the leveling experience similar. Which they pretty much completely turned face on less than a week into the games release.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

From what I understand, people easily reached level 50 in the first 3 days of early access before the quest was changed, which is far faster than those who were PvEing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was pretty sure that's why the quest was made daily.

I guess that's sort of besides the point. Did Zenimax say that PvP should level you just as fast or just that it should level you? This is a real question as I don't actually know. Either way, I think it's fine for things to change and I'm still satisfied with how it is now, but you make a decent point for why some people might be frustrated that PvEing is more efficient.

That is a rumor. The ppl that hit 50 in the first 3 days did that by AOE grinding PvE mobs. The repeatable kill 20 mission gave and still gives 4k xp, 1000 AP and like 300 gold. As a daily, you can see how crappy this mission is now. Was great as a repeatable quest and was pretty balanced, IMO.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

joshisanonymous wrote: »

No one flamed me except you. It made perfect sense and a few other people here have also mentioned that the poll is extremely biased (read: meaningless).

Ok take away that one thing i said in reply.
Someone did reply, it may not have been a flame, but they did pick apart what you said.

Idc if you think its meaningless, are we done here?

wast3gat3

I want Gold and Experience

I voted by unsubscribing from the game. I'm not paying $15/mth for a half arsed PvP experience and one that I can't level in.
I have been playing MMO's for the last 15 years and I'm over questing, it literally *** me to tears.

Fix the ability to level in PvP and give me the same opportunity to collect skyshards that PvE players do and I'll resub.

Till then I'll read the patch notes.

babanovac

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Same here, my renewal is cancel and i'll wait until the 4th to see if i activate it or not. There is now way i'm gonna keep doing this till VR10...

Cheatingdeath23

I want Gold and Experience

I got an awesome set of shoulder armor (+51 health) that I need to be PvP Rank 7 to use.

While not a reward, it does give me an incentive to go PvP.

chris.carr08b16_ESO

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Hi guys,

I PvE don't go near PvP.. think you are all elitists and up ur own arses even though I don't know any of you, im just here to say that even though PvP doesn't effect me in any way shape or form im happy that the only way to level up is through questing. Im happy, if your not you should find a new game to play, even though you payed £70 for the game and pay a monthly sub you shouldn't really have a say bcz ZOS saiz itz a PVE gaym myn.

deal with it or uninstall cheery bye

aklairenb14_ESO

I want Gold and Experience

I waited till i was 45 to start pvp. I played all today and yesterday im still 45. Its not good exp at all or loot. You should be able to do what you enjoy.

chrisrogers22b14_ESO

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

aklairenb14_ESO wrote: »

I waited till i was 45 to start pvp. I played all today and yesterday im still 45. Its not good exp at all or loot. You should be able to do what you enjoy.

completely agree, i am a pvp player. Within a few hours of early access I hit 10 and went straight into PVP on Wabbajack. There I played 100% of the time and never would leave. I just love the pvp so much and get great enjoyment in the large seiges. I thoroughly enjoy being apart of a small group scouting and capturing resources as the main force prepares to contest the seige on the keep. I love defending fort ash against all odds through coordination of a smaller force as we have EP zergs seigeing from the north and AD zergs seigeing from the south. Holding off just long enough for 2-3 full raids to help counter flank.

The moment I stepped into cyrodiil in beta I realized this is all I want to play out of this game. In most games I play, PVE just is not that enjoyable for me, i like facing opposing human players. Had this game not had such epic PVP I wouldnt be here supporting equality as the PVE side wasnt that enjoyable for me as a player. PvP during early access was amazing, but I wasnt a fan of having to leave the fight to turn in a quest for progression, but I didnt mind it as it allowed me to somewhat stay close to the PVE players. However, after the first week, on a monday I played 10 hours non-stop, the raid and I almost achieved the DC owning all 6 scrolls(AD put up an amazing fight for the last scroll, we just couldnt get it having to deal with both AD and EP attacking us on 2 sides)

Progression for that whole session despite me being apart of, and helping our covenant achieve the scrolls I only got 1/4th a level (had all the quests for the keep captures, and scrolls shared by group) when someone could get 5-9 levels in that same time playing the part of the game that us PVPers do not want to play, as I do not find as much enjoyment from the quest grind as I do the massive epicly enjoyable PVP.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

chris.carr08b16_ESO wrote: »

Hi guys,

I PvE don't go near PvP.. think you are all elitists and up ur own arses even though I don't know any of you, im just here to say that even though PvP doesn't effect me in any way shape or form im happy that the only way to level up is through questing. Im happy, if your not you should find a new game to play, even though you payed £70 for the game and pay a monthly sub you shouldn't really have a say bcz ZOS saiz itz a PVE gaym myn.

deal with it or uninstall cheery bye

I do say, you do appear to be trolling old chap, mm yes, quite.

Funkadelic

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

I really hope that they view the slow leveling in PvP as a problem. In the environment they made keeping as many players active and in Cyrodil will be the only way it will be sustainable.

To put it simply if the best way to get better stats for PvP is to PvE there is a problem. I don't think many serious PvPers will keep up with Cyrodil once they realize how strong veteren rank 10 people who just PvEd really are purely because of gear and stats.

Right now the people with the best stats and gear in PvP are the hardcore PvErs, or PvPers that PvEd just to get gear. I really hope, for the sake of Cyrodil, that the devs see this as a problem.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

We still have had no word from anyone officially about Cyrodiil.

Nothing since the 20kill quest nerf.
2 weeks as of today.

Ramanadjinn

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Funkadelic wrote: »

I really hope that they view the slow leveling in PvP as a problem. In the environment they made keeping as many players active and in Cyrodil will be the only way it will be sustainable.

To put it simply if the best way to get better stats for PvP is to PvE there is a problem. I don't think many serious PvPers will keep up with Cyrodil once they realize how strong veteren rank 10 people who just PvEd really are purely because of gear and stats.

Right now the people with the best stats and gear in PvP are the hardcore PvErs, or PvPers that PvEd just to get gear. I really hope, for the sake of Cyrodil, that the devs see this as a problem.

I just don't think they see it as a problem.

We've seen a couple of patches roll out now where the only changes to XP in PvP was a nerf. Other parts of the game where progress has been completely halted have had priority while we've not received a statement even saying they are so much as looking at it or working on a fix.

There is no way the folks at Zenimax are so dumb or disconnected that they think the XP gains are great or they just don't know we're having this problem.

I gotta conclude it is by design.

Funkadelic

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

If its by design and they continue to think its a good idea, i fear they will be digging their own grave as far as PvP and cyrodil are concerned. I mean if they want this game to be a pure PvE game than that's fine; but they are gonna lose a lot of subs if that's their plan.

On a side note, Swtor thought there PvP was just gonna be a side part of he game; but when the game launched they had *** ton of PvP migrates and they ended up putting way more resources than they planned into PvP because of it.

It was sadly too little to late and many of the PvPers moved on before they could make some real changes.( omgawd Ilum, Swtor's world PvP, was one of the worst/funniest things I've seen for MMO pvp)

Ghenra

I want Gold and Experience

Add veteran quests with real rewards (VR XP for example), add more bounty quest, add more skilltrees for Alliance War, add XP for killing players, add more!!

Magischzwei

I want Gold and Experience

...and I want cryodiil to be entirely removed asap and replaced with a battleground focused system with level brackets.

Ghenra

I want Gold and Experience

Magischzwei wrote: »

...and I want cryodiil to be entirely removed asap and replaced with a battleground focused system with level brackets.

Ok, after take the door and go out, troll.

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Magischzwei wrote: »

...and I want cryodiil to be entirely removed asap and replaced with a battleground focused system with level brackets.

Even though Cyrodiil is technically just a giant warzone, it acts as an open world pvp zone. Open world pvp will always be more enjoyable than battlegrounds. Just the sense of not knowing what may be coming for you is awesome. A small group of 10-20 could be coming, or a giant horde of 100+. This is something that would never happen in battlegrounds. If you want battlegrounds/warzones, SW:TOR is available for you as well as other games like it.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

Still no Official word about Cyradiil.

Ramanadjinn

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

awkwarrd wrote: »

Still no Official word about Cyradiil.

I'll make a bet with you.

Next official announcement regarding Cyrodiil rewards will be that they are going to nerf them a little more. They've got the Xp effectively at 0, but them vet rewards aren't quite bottomed out just yet. Close, but they still have some work to do.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

Well they haven't even talked about fixing the crashes and other issues out there that have nothing to do with the horrible rewards.