PVP rewards

lao · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

SuperJChat wrote: »

Considering they had to NERF the pvp quest for 20 player kills because people were getting to level 50+ off it in no time, i would say that PvP is fine the way it is, reward wise.

elaborate how thats a bad thing pls. pvp IS the game afterall. pve is just a nessecary evil in order to get viable for pvp.

Cheatingdeath23 · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

lao wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Considering they had to NERF the pvp quest for 20 player kills because people were getting to level 50+ off it in no time, i would say that PvP is fine the way it is, reward wise.

elaborate how thats a bad thing pls. pvp IS the game afterall. pve is just a nessecary evil in order to get viable for pvp.

I feel stupid replying so much, but I disagree that PvP is the game.

My wife and I were looking for an "online Skyrim" that we could play together. We do quests together, dungeons together and spend way too much time running around collecting and harvesting things. We have now expanded to include several friends and enjoy the interactions and "helping each other" elements to the game.

I recognize not everyone wants to play ESO that way, but I hope that you also recognize that some people have no interest in PvP. I have interest and enjoy both PvE and PvP, but when I think of the "Elder Scrolls Universe," I consider it to be more PvE than the PvP element.

[PvP could be modified to fit within the typical Elder Scrolls Universe, but in my experience playing PvP it hasn't managed this to any extent. I've played Oblivion and Skyrim for countless hours and the solitude/exploration/leveling that is part of the gameplay is not really included in current PvP. PvP is more akin to raiding the same dungeon over and over to kill things.]

beravinprb19_ESO · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

PvErs have their cake already, throw a bone to the PvP players. Thats basically all it comes down to. We don't want to ruin PvE for you, we just want our style of game play, PvP, to be more accessible. Even small quality of life changes would go a long way right now.

Besides, as someone who has already completed the majority of the PvE content, I sure as hell do not want to level my alts doing the same quests and story that I have already done. If I want to level up my other characters in PvP, then why prevent me from doing so?

Varivox9 · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

It's a real shame there is such little xp in PvP. I LOVE PvP in ESO, but since I'm leveling, I have absolutely no want to PvP since I will get almost nothing from it (unless I monstergrind in one of the dungeons, which isn't PvP....).

I'm not asking for the "best" possible loot/xp to make PvE needless, I just want something that is comparable...

lao · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Considering they had to NERF the pvp quest for 20 player kills because people were getting to level 50+ off it in no time, i would say that PvP is fine the way it is, reward wise.

elaborate how thats a bad thing pls. pvp IS the game afterall. pve is just a nessecary evil in order to get viable for pvp.

I feel stupid replying so much, but I disagree that PvP is the game.

My wife and I were looking for an "online Skyrim" that we could play together. We do quests together, dungeons together and spend way too much time running around collecting and harvesting things. We have now expanded to include several friends and enjoy the interactions and "helping each other" elements to the game.

I recognize not everyone wants to play ESO that way, but I hope that you also recognize that some people have no interest in PvP. I have interest and enjoy both PvE and PvP, but when I think of the "Elder Scrolls Universe," I consider it to be more PvE than the PvP element.

[PvP could be modified to fit within the typical Elder Scrolls Universe, but in my experience playing PvP it hasn't managed this to any extent. I've played Oblivion and Skyrim for countless hours and the solitude/exploration/leveling that is part of the gameplay is not really included in current PvP. PvP is more akin to raiding the same dungeon over and over to kill things.]

thats cool that you and ur wife enjoy the pve part. but then explain pls why everyone has to suffer through what u appearantly enjoy? for us pvpers the pve is a royal pain in the butt. i dont see how it interferes with ur gameplay when ppl who dont like the pve can level faster in pvp.

Digerati · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Currently, there are 329 votes for increasing PvP rewards and 78 votes against.

Jonnymorrow · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

I still think pve needs to remain the main way and fastest way to level a character. But the pvp rewards do need some serious work.

I would of liked to of seen the kill quest scale up the kills required each time you hand it in. Rather than be a daily. So 20 kills 30 kills etc. then it could reset the next day at 20 kills again maybe. This in my opinion would of been a great fix for that pvp quest.

Also making a little gold from capping objectives and keeps would be nice.

lao · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

Jonnymorrow wrote: »

I still think pve needs to remain the main way and fastest way to level a character. But the pvp rewards do need some serious work.

I would of liked to of seen the kill quest scale up the kills required each time you hand it in. Rather than be a daily. So 20 kills 30 kills etc. then it could reset the next day at 20 kills again maybe. This in my opinion would of been a great fix for that pvp quest.

Also making a little gold from capping objectives and keeps would be nice.

no the logical approach would be that pvp is minimum 3-5 times faster than pve. why u ask? well simple, us pvpers dont enjoy pve (at all) we do it cos we have no choice. that way we get our preferred playstyle without having to endure the torture called pve. it wouldnt interfere with the gameplay of pve ppl either as obviously they arent into pvp anyway.

best for both worlds. we can get proper pvp quicker and the pve ppl can keep whacking their npc´s just like they always did and everyone is happy.

Cheatingdeath23 · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

lao wrote: »

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Considering they had to NERF the pvp quest for 20 player kills because people were getting to level 50+ off it in no time, i would say that PvP is fine the way it is, reward wise.

elaborate how thats a bad thing pls. pvp IS the game afterall. pve is just a nessecary evil in order to get viable for pvp.

I feel stupid replying so much, but I disagree that PvP is the game.

My wife and I were looking for an "online Skyrim" that we could play together. We do quests together, dungeons together and spend way too much time running around collecting and harvesting things. We have now expanded to include several friends and enjoy the interactions and "helping each other" elements to the game.

I recognize not everyone wants to play ESO that way, but I hope that you also recognize that some people have no interest in PvP. I have interest and enjoy both PvE and PvP, but when I think of the "Elder Scrolls Universe," I consider it to be more PvE than the PvP element.

[PvP could be modified to fit within the typical Elder Scrolls Universe, but in my experience playing PvP it hasn't managed this to any extent. I've played Oblivion and Skyrim for countless hours and the solitude/exploration/leveling that is part of the gameplay is not really included in current PvP. PvP is more akin to raiding the same dungeon over and over to kill things.]

thats cool that you and ur wife enjoy the pve part. but then explain pls why everyone has to suffer through what u appearantly enjoy? for us pvpers the pve is a royal pain in the butt. i dont see how it interferes with ur gameplay when ppl who dont like the pve can level faster in pvp.

I guess that is what I was getting at with my post-- PvE is the point of the game, based on the heritage and previous iterations of Elder Scrolls. PvP is a new thing they added to make it an MMO, and people seem to like it.

But PvP is not the game and is not the Elder Scrolls heritage. It uses the Elder Scrolls world effectively and is interesting, but if the developers had to cut the game in two and discard half, they would discard PvP.

That isn't to say it isn't important, and I do like it. But think about it-- if people could level up with PvP FASTER than PvE, as others have suggested, don't you think the majority of players would level up in PvP first before switching over to PvE? Even players that like PvE would probably power-boost their character in PvP and play PvE, because that is what people seem to do.

While I can see increasing XP and gold a bit for PvP, I don't think there is any way that PvP will ever level faster than PvE or that there is reason to do so. If all anyone cares about is being the highest level, then the developers should have everyone boost to VR10 (and let you select all of the corresponding skill points) in PvP. That way nobody cares about leveling and it doesn't bastardize the PvE element of the game. Just like now, when the player switches back to PvE, they would be their appropriate level.

lao · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

lao wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Considering they had to NERF the pvp quest for 20 player kills because people were getting to level 50+ off it in no time, i would say that PvP is fine the way it is, reward wise.

elaborate how thats a bad thing pls. pvp IS the game afterall. pve is just a nessecary evil in order to get viable for pvp.

I feel stupid replying so much, but I disagree that PvP is the game.

My wife and I were looking for an "online Skyrim" that we could play together. We do quests together, dungeons together and spend way too much time running around collecting and harvesting things. We have now expanded to include several friends and enjoy the interactions and "helping each other" elements to the game.

I recognize not everyone wants to play ESO that way, but I hope that you also recognize that some people have no interest in PvP. I have interest and enjoy both PvE and PvP, but when I think of the "Elder Scrolls Universe," I consider it to be more PvE than the PvP element.

[PvP could be modified to fit within the typical Elder Scrolls Universe, but in my experience playing PvP it hasn't managed this to any extent. I've played Oblivion and Skyrim for countless hours and the solitude/exploration/leveling that is part of the gameplay is not really included in current PvP. PvP is more akin to raiding the same dungeon over and over to kill things.]

thats cool that you and ur wife enjoy the pve part. but then explain pls why everyone has to suffer through what u appearantly enjoy? for us pvpers the pve is a royal pain in the butt. i dont see how it interferes with ur gameplay when ppl who dont like the pve can level faster in pvp.

I guess that is what I was getting at with my post-- PvE is the point of the game, based on the heritage and previous iterations of Elder Scrolls. PvP is a new thing they added to make it an MMO, and people seem to like it.

But PvP is not the game and is not the Elder Scrolls heritage. It uses the Elder Scrolls world effectively and is interesting, but if the developers had to cut the game in two and discard half, they would discard PvP.

That isn't to say it isn't important, and I do like it. But think about it-- if people could level up with PvP FASTER than PvE, as others have suggested, don't you think the majority of players would level up in PvP first before switching over to PvE? Even players that like PvE would probably power-boost their character in PvP and play PvE, because that is what people seem to do.

While I can see increasing XP and gold a bit for PvP, I don't think there is any way that PvP will ever level faster than PvE or that there is reason to do so. If all anyone cares about is being the highest level, then the developers should have everyone boost to VR10 (and let you select all of the corresponding skill points) in PvP. That way nobody cares about leveling and it doesn't bastardize the PvE element of the game. Just like now, when the player switches back to PvE, they would be their appropriate level.

first of all heritage doesnt mean anything. whatever the game was before it is an mmo now and mmos endgame always was and always will be pvp. thats simply due to the nature of mmos. pve will always end at some point (when u have the best possible gear normally) the nature of pvp is however endless. theres no point when u have archieved everything there is.

you say if pvp was faster than pve then all the pve ppl would do pvp even tho its not their preferred playstyle cos its faster? well guess what. we pvpers sit in that boat right now. so how is something that is wrong for us somehow right for you?

the difference is u can choose to do pve without any penalty to it. we cant choose to lvl in pvp cos pvers will obviously win at pvp aswell cos they are higher level. while us beeing high level due to pvp wouldnt penalize the pve ppl in any way.

this isnt exactly rocket science, just common logic. shouldnt be hard to understand.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

@Cheatingdeath23
Im not sure i understand you.

You enjoy the PVE and story.. and know this is set 1000+ years behind skyrim.
And understand the 3 factions that are at constant war..

Even some of the main story quest line shows you the PVP side of things.

My point in this argument, is that even in PVE, the PVP is still visable, you can't do it, but you can see the conflict, you know from the previous games that war is inevitable.

The PVP zone, cannot be found by simply exploring in PVE.
The rewards you gain in PVP don't enhance your character in PVE.
The rewards you gain in PVE do enhance your character in PVP.

What everyone is looking for is equality between the PVE and PVP, everyone can see the gains in PVP being horrible.
For someone to want to PVP, and subscribe because of PVP, they will just not get everything they should.

Ghenra · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

awkwarrd wrote: »

@Cheatingdeath23
Im not sure i understand you.

You enjoy the PVE and story.. and know this is set 1000+ years behind skyrim.
And understand the 3 factions that are at constant war..

Even some of the main story quest line shows you the PVP side of things.

My point in this argument, is that even in PVE, the PVP is still visable, you can't do it, but you can see the conflict, you know from the previous games that war is inevitable.

The PVP zone, cannot be found by simply exploring in PVE.
The rewards you gain in PVP don't enhance your character in PVE.
The rewards you gain in PVE do enhance your character in PVP.

What everyone is looking for is equality between the PVE and PVP, everyone can see the gains in PVP being horrible.
For someone to want to PVP, and subscribe because of PVP, they will just not get everything they should.

What the ***! If they do this, this game becomes the worst *** ever seen. Players need progression in their chars, if a player plays pve, he need the objects adquired in pvp and vice versa. ZOS, add real content and rewards in Cirodiil althought for veterans.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

What the ***! If they do this, this game becomes the worst *** ever seen. Players need progression in their chars, if a player plays pve, he need the objects adquired in pvp and vice versa. ZOS, add real content and rewards in Cirodiil althought for veterans.

What do you mean "if" ?
This is how it is currently.

Digerati · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Digerati wrote: »

Currently, there are 329 votes for increasing PvP rewards and 78 votes against.

Now 340 for, 79 against.

Digerati · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Terminus wrote: »

Poll seems a little biased to me.
You already get gold and experience from PvP.

I would highly advise all players to not level through pvp.
The reason? Skillpoints.

The skyshards and quests you complete in your Alliance zone have a dramatic impact on the development of your character. Going for more than 3-5 levels in Cyrodiil will push you past content that is absolutely vital to making your character as effective as possible.

Making Cyrodiil the best way to gain experience in the game would render the Alliance zones, and the story of the game, pointless.
Do you really want an Elder Scrolls game where people ignore the story?

I've leveled exclusively through PvE (I have no choice) and I'm at least 3-5 levels above content... Quests have all been extremely easy.. I'm kinda OK with that, the reason to play quests is the story, not the challenge.. Dungeons and PvP are the challenge.

And the point is, I HAVE NO CHOICE but to level via questing and so when I want to level, I SKIP ALL DIALOGUE IN THE QUESTING JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FASTER ADVANCEMENT.

Let me level in PvP and I will seek quests with an interesting story. I will listen to the narrative.. I will enjoy and savor the story... Unfortunately, I can't enjoy the questing because it's mandatory in order to level.

Delink questing and character advancement in a small way, via giving decent exp in PvP, and questing will become valuable on its own merit, rather than being the only way to level.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

The POLL grows, as each day more people come on the forums to talk about the lack of EXP gain in Cyradiil.

You can see alot of posts and votes from PVE players who just don't know, and are going off of the "someone told me".

You can see the many players who do PVP posting aswell, and that shows in the votes for the "I would like to gain enough exp to level up via PVP only"

The comments about "this post is biased" generally comes from people who say they PVP but really only PVE, and can't already see that the game is biased when it comes to EXP in PVP, those that PVP can make their choices easily.

If ever they give Cyradiil some TLC, lets hope they look into the exp gains from Capturing Towers and the group exp split, and have the daily quests scale with player level, and we can pray they look into the kill quest and make it repeatable once more, but give it a new face and mechanic.

Digerati · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Whether or not I resub is hinged on whether or not they adjust PvP rewards to make it a viable modus for character advancement.

Do I want it to be equal to or better than PvE? Not necessarily.. I still think that the top-end gear should only be available through PvE.. But if I do exceptionally well during PvP, I should see some significant progress and it should keep me in solid baseline gear.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

@Digerati
I agree.

You should be able to take a break from PVE to PVP and still be able to progress.

Varivox9 · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

PvP is, imo, the biggest strength ESO has atm. I'm normally not that sad that I have to go through PvE, but the quests in this game don't have anything "great" to offer me. The NPC's I interact with give me no reason to care about them (guess what? Queen whatsherface is in danger....again....again....again....), A ton of different side quests that kinda relate to a main quest I'm never given a reason to care about, quest designed for Fido, man's best friend (aka, Fido likes to fetch because he's a dog), and very few "good" stories in quests. Add in the illusion of choice (since every "choice" I've made thus far has had 0 influence on anything), and I find myself feeling harder and harder to log in JUST to get through PvE, so that one day, I can be vet 10 and enjoy PvP finally...

PvP seiges are awesome, and it's some of the best PvP i've had in MMO's, while the PvE is exactly as compelling as every other MMO on the market, if not less.

As long as I get no xp for my contributions in PvP though, I'm forced to PvE or feel underpowered for eternity. I'm on the fence as it is about paying the sub, and I think redoing the PvP xp rewards to something sort of comparable is a good first step toward getting me to pay that sub fee.

Ghenra · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

PvP is boring and repetitive atm. Players need real content, real rewards and real challenges, not a zerg fest and unbalanced fights. Of course, helping their Alliance for better bufs and trying to assault the imperial city.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

PvP is boring and repetitive atm. Players need real content, real rewards and real challenges, not a zerg fest and unbalanced fights. Of course, helping their Alliance for better bufs and trying to assault the imperial city.

Yeah the thrill slowly wears off when you know you gain bugger all.

JexTex · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

This has been a HUGE bump in the road for me as I really am not one to quest and quest and quests.....

I got into this game for some pvp/ava...and some endgame...

I rescently hit VR1 and really wanted to pvp but can see that to be at my best I need to be atleast vr5+...

As a sub based mmo the option to level in both pve and pvp should be there and its very lame that it isn't...im really about to hang my hat up as I really dnt have the time or intrest to quests my way to vr10 just boring...

Cheatingdeath23 · April 2014

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JexTex wrote: »

This has been a HUGE bump in the road for me as I really am not one to quest and quest and quests.....

I got into this game for some pvp/ava...and some endgame...

I rescently hit VR1 and really wanted to pvp but can see that to be at my best I need to be atleast vr5+...

As a sub based mmo the option to level in both pve and pvp should be there and its very lame that it isn't...im really about to hang my hat up as I really dnt have the time or intrest to quests my way to vr10 just boring...

Please explain why you need to be at VT5+ to be better at PvP?

I'm not VR1 yet, so I'm just wondering-- what makes it so different?

Censorious · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

I decided to be fair I'd take the 3 month sub and give them time to fix it up.
Nearly a month in and it's not looking good.

Right now I'm looking at the Cyrodiil loading screen, having been DCd again. No XP, no rewards and now not even a fight.

aeroch · April 2014

How good is the experience from the various daily quests? Are the "Cyrodiil exp is too low" crowd doing those quests? The experience at VR1 was disappointing but it didn't seem like it would be too bad for the pre-50 folks.

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

I'm not VR1 yet, so I'm just wondering-- what makes it so different?

VR5+ is where u get the new gear from the first line of dungeons.
Being a VR1+ you no longer get the scale buff in Cyradiil, so all gear you get from VR1+ is stronger than a new player who is below VR1 level.

Censorious wrote: »

I decided to be fair I'd take the 3 month sub and give them time to fix it up.
Nearly a month in and it's not looking good.

Right now I'm looking at the Cyrodiil loading screen, having been DCd again. No XP, no rewards and now not even a fight.

I have exactly the same mindset atm.
Im keeping my sub to support them to fix things and not end up like SWTOR.
What im hoping for is that Craglorn won't be garbage and broken and break everything else.
And that i hope they turn their attention to Cyradiil for some TLC after that is released.
I just hope they don't spend all their time on Craglorn for the next 3 months fixing things after its released.

Im upset that the "Free 30 days game time" is basically "CLOSED BETA"

awkwarrd · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

aeroch wrote: »

How good is the experience from the various daily quests? Are the "Cyrodiil exp is too low" crowd doing those quests? The experience at VR1 was disappointing but it didn't seem like it would be too bad for the pre-50 folks.

The EXP scales horribly.
And yes it is Bad, leveling from 10+ is just a horrible experience in PVP.

Ghenra · April 2014

I want Gold and Experience

JexTex wrote: »

This has been a HUGE bump in the road for me as I really am not one to quest and quest and quests.....

I got into this game for some pvp/ava...and some endgame...

I rescently hit VR1 and really wanted to pvp but can see that to be at my best I need to be atleast vr5+...

As a sub based mmo the option to level in both pve and pvp should be there and its very lame that it isn't...im really about to hang my hat up as I really dnt have the time or intrest to quests my way to vr10 just boring...

100% agree, I think that we should hit VR10 doing PvP and special quests and objectives in Cirodiil at same time than a PvE player. This will improve a lot the game experience for all of us.

Ramanadjinn · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

aeroch wrote: »

How good is the experience from the various daily quests? Are the "Cyrodiil exp is too low" crowd doing those quests? The experience at VR1 was disappointing but it didn't seem like it would be too bad for the pre-50 folks.

edit: I misread your post and addressed the town quests rather than the PVP daily quests. My bad. The PVP daily quests aren't good for even a level. Maybe if you can do them all every day it would be a level every 3 days or so? I don't usually get them all done so i'm not sure.

About the town quests though:

Tried at level 20. The hours you have to invest to get a level or two just isnt worth it. And there is a finite number of quests you can run in Cyrodiil in a day.

Each town will give you 10 or so quests that are good for about half a level of XP. Many require you to run long distances across this PVP map. And then they stop giving you quests.

I would say they can be useful and fun for ganking people who are trying to run the quests, but the quests are so unrewarding very few people actually care to try running them. it is mostly just people who haven't learned yet that they need to just go PVE instead.

Digerati · April 2014

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Digerati wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

Currently, there are 329 votes for increasing PvP rewards and 78 votes against.

Now 340 for, 79 against.

Now 381 for, 87 against.

I don't understand the against argument..