PVP rewards

limeli8

I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily.

awkwarrd wrote: »

limeli8 wrote: »

My GM only does pvp and he is vr1

Well spending 10+ hours in PVP a day, i can see how you can see what you said as making a point.
But i very much doubt you speak for everyone who cannot spend 10+ hours a day playing a game.

If you were to take all them hours spent in PVP, and put them into PVE..
Would you say you would be a much higher level, with better gear and more gold?
In a drastically massive kind of way.

I just can't believe you when you talk about your friends and GM, you probably don't care, but im pretty sure at this point you're making it all up, or atleast not telling majority of the details on purpose, like how you must have followed him around for his entire game time and know 100% that he is always in PVP.

And i don't mean after he hit VR1.
That and the PVE requirement side of getting VR1.. and getting VR6.

There is no requirement to get VR, There is no lvl 50 in the game, you go from 49 to vr1 and you do it by getting exp same for vr6 and vr10. In pve there are requirements to go to VR area and then to vr6+ area. In pvp you just get exp, now this might be new to you but you get exp based on level, so a high level character will get more than a low level one from doing SOME of same things but higher level also needs more so its about even. Same goes for VR, a vr1 would get less vet points from pvp than a vr9. I'll give you an example from pve vr1 gets 42exp per kil and needs around 450k a vr9 gets over 400exp per kill and needs 4.1mil. This way both would need to kill around 10000 of those mobs to get a level.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

limeli8 wrote: »

There is no requirement to get VR, There is no lvl 50 in the game, you go from 49 to vr1 and you do it by getting exp same for vr6 and vr10. In pve there are requirements to go to VR area and then to vr6+ area. In pvp you just get exp, now this might be new to you but you get exp based on level, so a high level character will get more than a low level one from doing SOME of same things but higher level also needs more so its about even. Same goes for VR, a vr1 would get less vet points from pvp than a vr9. I'll give you an example from pve vr1 gets 42exp per kil and needs around 450k a vr9 gets over 400exp per kill and needs 4.1mil. This way both would need to kill around 10000 of those mobs to get a level.

Ok so you read what i wrote.. and chose to ignore all of it to make a fat paragraph reply about the 1 line i had at the bottom about PVE requirements?

That part didn't even have anything to do with what we were talking about..
I just threw it in because i asked you a question in the middle of my comment..

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

awkwarrd wrote: »

limeli8 wrote: »

There is no requirement to get VR, There is no lvl 50 in the game, you go from 49 to vr1 and you do it by getting exp same for vr6 and vr10. In pve there are requirements to go to VR area and then to vr6+ area. In pvp you just get exp, now this might be new to you but you get exp based on level, so a high level character will get more than a low level one from doing SOME of same things but higher level also needs more so its about even. Same goes for VR, a vr1 would get less vet points from pvp than a vr9. I'll give you an example from pve vr1 gets 42exp per kil and needs around 450k a vr9 gets over 400exp per kill and needs 4.1mil. This way both would need to kill around 10000 of those mobs to get a level.

Ok so you read what i wrote.. and chose to ignore all of it to make a fat paragraph reply about the 1 line i had at the bottom about PVE requirements?

That part didn't even have anything to do with what we were talking about..
I just threw it in because i asked you a question in the middle of my comment..

Careful now, don't confuse the lad.

Censorious

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

I bought this game for the PvP. It's supposed to have the most sophisticated battle simulation of any MMO and from what I've seen that may well be true.

BUT:- (note it's a massive but)
It's horribly painful wading through all the tedious, tedious PvE to get into the battle.
Right now I'm just plugging along at level 30 and making the best of it, Occasionally, when I can bear it, I pop into the PvE and try to make a level or two.(I have to turn off the sound so I don't rip my own ears off at the sound of those appalling NPC scripts).
It's an uphill struggle and I'm seriously losing the will to continue.

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Censorious wrote: »

I bought this game for the PvP. It's supposed to have the most sophisticated battle simulation of any MMO and from what I've seen that may well be true.

BUT:- (note it's a massive but)
It's horribly painful wading through all the tedious, tedious PvE to get into the battle.
Right now I'm just plugging along at level 30 and making the best of it, Occasionally, when I can bear it, I pop into the PvE and try to make a level or two.(I have to turn off the sound so I don't rip my own ears off at the sound of those appalling NPC scripts).
It's an uphill struggle and I'm seriously losing the will to continue.

It aint all that bad, the pve. The combat, though repetitive at times, is enjoyable. No where near as enjoyable as fighting an actual player, but still enjoyable. I would MUCH rather be able to level my character, at a good rate compared to pve, than actually having to PvE. But, right now that's not the most efficient way to do it. Wish it was, but right now it's not. I'm VR4 now, I PvP almost every day for a few hours, then do a few hours of pve to get closer to VR5. Just have to bite down and stomach it is all.

limeli8

I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily.

awkwarrd wrote: »

Ok so you read what i wrote.. and chose to ignore all of it to make a fat paragraph reply about the 1 line i had at the bottom about PVE requirements?

That part didn't even have anything to do with what we were talking about..
I just threw it in because i asked you a question in the middle of my comment..

Well there were only 2 other things that i didn't talk about, one was you calling me a lair and the other that pve gives more exp. I already said that biggest reason pve gives more exp is because you can grind it 24/7 and pvp doesnt always go in your favor. There are 2 many variables that affect your pvp exp. If you want i can compare it to having a 9-5 job vs playing black jack/poker at the casino to make money. If you are a dam good at black jack/poker you can pretty much make a living but you have to be good and even then you don't always win and a 9-5 always pays even if its minimum wage. So the point i'm trying to make is that anyone can do pve with similar results but only people that put in the most effort/skill/talent will get the pvp rewards/exp that are "close" to what everyone wants. A lot of people are so sure of their awesome pvp skills that they feel entitled to rewards based on simply being in the area where some poor guy riding his horse made a wrong turn and died of a heart attack seeing like 40 people charge at him screaming "bloody murder"! Yay! +1 kill count or maybe you even hit the guy for like 100 damage out of his 2000k hp!!! You sure should get rewarded! Well most of pvp exp is rewarded based on your personal contribution to w/e it is that was accomplished. You went out there with your "leet" skills and killed like 30 people with like 2-3 friends you get one reward and if you went pew pew on some guards when a keep got taken and you ran along with the rest of the massive zerg.. well your reward will be different i assure you.

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

limeli8 wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

Ok so you read what i wrote.. and chose to ignore all of it to make a fat paragraph reply about the 1 line i had at the bottom about PVE requirements?

That part didn't even have anything to do with what we were talking about..
I just threw it in because i asked you a question in the middle of my comment..

Well there were only 2 other things that i didn't talk about, one was you calling me a lair and the other that pve gives more exp. I already said that biggest reason pve gives more exp is because you can grind it 24/7 and pvp doesnt always go in your favor. There are 2 many variables that affect your pvp exp. If you want i can compare it to having a 9-5 job vs playing black jack/poker at the casino to make money. If you are a dam good at black jack/poker you can pretty much make a living but you have to be good and even then you don't always win and a 9-5 always pays even if its minimum wage. So the point i'm trying to make is that anyone can do pve with similar results but only people that put in the most effort/skill/talent will get the pvp rewards/exp that are "close" to what everyone wants. A lot of people are so sure of their awesome pvp skills that they feel entitled to rewards based on simply being in the area where some poor guy riding his horse made a wrong turn and died of a heart attack seeing like 40 people charge at him screaming "bloody murder"! Yay! +1 kill count or maybe you even hit the guy for like 100 damage out of his 2000k hp!!! You sure should get rewarded! Well most of pvp exp is rewarded based on your personal contribution to w/e it is that was accomplished. You went out there with your "leet" skills and killed like 30 people with like 2-3 friends you get one reward and if you went pew pew on some guards when a keep got taken and you ran along with the rest of the massive zerg.. well your reward will be different i assure you.

Paragraphs, they are your friend.

limeli8

I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily.

Cydone wrote: »

Paragraphs, they are your friend.

indeed...

joshisanonymous

One thing that keeps coming up in this thread is the claim that the devs said you could level in PvP just as fast and with equal rewards to PvE. This is the only response when I asked pages ago for someone to verify:

awkwarrd wrote:

No ZOS, said you should be able to PVE and PVP at the same pace with good rewards in both, and be able to jump between the 2.

Of course, that doesn't verify anything, it just repeats something that is actually a false belief. I have actual evidence that says the opposite:

WILL I BE ABLE TO LEVEL FROM 10 TO 50 IN CYRODIIL AT A COMPARABLE PACE TO SOMEONE WHO LEVELS DOING PVE?

Leveling speed in PvP is not as consistent as leveling through PvE due to the nature of enemy player population. However, there are lots of activities in Cyrodiil that can supplement PvP combat, like questing and exploring. Players can encounter other players from the enemy Alliances throughout Cyrodiil, so there’s always potential for conflicts.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1465/kw/

Notice that the last update was also late March, meaning this isn't just what they said a year ago, it's what they said right at launch.

It's fine if some of you still think leveling in PvP should be just as fast as leveling in PvE, but you can't use the trump card of, "Well, that's what the devs said!" In reality, the results described by @limel8 represent exactly the way Zenimax describes their intent.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

Well, damn, i guess that video was taken off the site for a reason, looks like this was it.

I guess they changed their minds.

So back to PVE to level up, then go kill low level newbies as a vr10 without any problems.

It's a shame that majority of the people who voted on here want something better, and will probably never get it, always another game around the corner though.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

I noticed this was rather vague.

The only mention of the PVE vs PVP exp difference is the enemy consistency.
It should say "No. VR10 players will Wreck you, go PVE"
Unless you count scout quest spamming as officially viable.

It tries to say you can do some PVE stuff out in Cyradiil to compensate, but those of us that have done that, know those objectives are not a compensation.

This is also posted before the kill quest got turned into a daily, i don't think some of what is in that answer is even relevant now.

So i guess this can be updated at anytime they want, with whatever info they want.
They just haven't updated it since the changes, and probably don't even realize this Q&A is there.

Ramanadjinn

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

Censorious wrote: »

I bought this game for the PvP. It's supposed to have the most sophisticated battle simulation of any MMO and from what I've seen that may well be true.

BUT:- (note it's a massive but)
It's horribly painful wading through all the tedious, tedious PvE to get into the battle.
Right now I'm just plugging along at level 30 and making the best of it, Occasionally, when I can bear it, I pop into the PvE and try to make a level or two.(I have to turn off the sound so I don't rip my own ears off at the sound of those appalling NPC scripts).
It's an uphill struggle and I'm seriously losing the will to continue.

Try mob grinding.

I was in a similar situation as you where I enjoyed the pvp but detest the quest grind. I was stuck at level 20 because of the pvp XP being so low but finally gave in and started grinding mobs in PVE zones.

Went from 20 to 50 in a couple of nights.

Personally I would say its only a tiny bit more fun than questing, but a lot faster.
Its all about your personal preference though.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

Leveling speed in PVP is not as consistent as leveling through PVE due to the nature of enemy player population.
REWORDED:
If no enemy, then no exp.

So.. capturing towers.. will never be a way of legit exp? sustainable exp?
That's silly.

Ramanadjinn

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

awkwarrd wrote: »

Leveling speed in PVP is not as consistent as leveling through PVE due to the nature of enemy player population.
REWORDED:
If no enemy, then no exp.

So.. capturing towers.. will never be a way of legit exp? sustainable exp?
That's silly.

Its BS anyways.

Zenimax either doesn't understand the meaning of the word "consistent" or they are flat out lying.

Are they implying that the mean XP rates are comparable between PVP and PVE and it is just the variance that is wide in PVP as compared with PVE?

Either way their statement is provably false as the mean XP per hour for a level 1-49 character in PVP is close to zero (unless you do the quests at which point your mean is Xp from quests divided by number of hours played) and the variance is very small.

PVP XP is vastly less variant and MUCH MORE consistent than PVE XP. I can log in any time, any day, and I know almost for certain how much XP I am going to get from my time in PVP.

Anyone with excel and high school statistics can show Zenimax' statement is false.

limeli8

I don't want Experience, it's great now that quest is a daily.

Ramanadjinn wrote: »

Zenimax either doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ocnsistent" or they are flat out lying.

I don't understand that word ether lol

Ramanadjinn

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

limeli8 wrote: »

Ramanadjinn wrote: »

Zenimax either doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ocnsistent" or they are flat out lying.

I don't understand that word ether lol

You couldn't figure out what word I was referring to from the context?

In case you could match that word with the typo up against the statement from Zenimax and see there is a word they used that is almost identical to the one I had in quotations, and you just don't know what it means.

It means something doesn't change much, has little variance, or produces reliable and predictable output.

To use it in a sentence, "The amount of experience I gain from hour to hour in Cyrodiil is very consistent as compared to my time doing PVE content."

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3oOxP75aw

50 second video.
1 Lap = 10+ tower captures in Cyradiil worth of EXP.

Cydone

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

awkwarrd wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3oOxP75aw

50 second video.
1 Lap = 10+ tower captures in Cyradiil worth of EXP.

Loved doing this! Not me in the video, but I did get into one of those groups. Got from 49-50 in less than an hour, otherwise being 143k xp in probably about 45mins.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

That loot tho..

skarvika

I want Gold and Experience

I enjoy pve for the most part, but I think xp should also be given because we are still achieving things in-game. A little gold never hurt either...I noticed my gold has stayed more or less the same since I first started playing...questing just doesn't churn out enough of a profit. It's sort of like minimum wage. I've had to farm bosses in order to get ahead.

Gisgo

I want Gold and Experience

awkwarrd wrote: »

Roman? Rome?
You know that place is dead and ruins now right?

Im sorry i am aware i am offtopic but i couldnt let this go...
What the hell are you talking about? Three millions people are living in Rome right now. Dead and ruins? It has been alive for more than two and a half thousands years.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

Gisgo wrote: »

Im sorry i am aware i am offtopic but i couldnt let this go...
What the hell are you talking about? Three millions people are living in Rome right now. Dead and ruins? It has been alive for more than two and a half thousands years.

Haha yeah.
At the time i thought you were talking about ancient rome.

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

I noticed each patch notes, that they are slowly getting ontop of all the bugged quests.

I hope they turn their attention to Cyradiil after that.

Daracon_Rage

I want Gold and Experience

/signed just in case I haven't already given this one the +1

Ghenra

I want Gold and Experience

All of us are waiting a big pvp patch. Balancing the fukcing OP skills, adding real rewards and turning Cirodiil more interesting battle field.

But, when?

awkwarrd

I want Gold and Experience

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

All of us are waiting a big pvp patch. Balancing the fukcing OP skills, adding real rewards and turning Cirodiil more interesting battle field.

But, when?

Winter is coming..

Ghenra

I want Gold and Experience

awkwarrd wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

All of us are waiting a big pvp patch. Balancing the fukcing OP skills, adding real rewards and turning Cirodiil more interesting battle field.

But, when?

Winter is coming..

Hahaha!

If ZOS takes more than one month to balance the game and adding rewards, this game will die fast. People have not patience this days.

Cheatingdeath23

I want Gold and Experience

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

All of us are waiting a big pvp patch. Balancing the fukcing OP skills, adding real rewards and turning Cirodiil more interesting battle field.

But, when?

Winter is coming..

Hahaha!

If ZOS takes more than one month to balance the game and adding rewards, this game will die fast. People have not patience this days.

I'll be honest, I don't like that I can spend a day in PvP and not level up, but I can spend two hours in PvE and go up two levels.

But whenever I hear someone say "the game will die fast" due to one issue, I have to laugh-- this affects only a percentage of users, just like the inventory issue is an issue only for certain users. I'm more than happy to continue leveling up in PvE before getting back to PvP, and I find that I have plenty of space (give all mats I don't need to guildmates to make room).

I hope they improve things, but I hope people don't leave for minor reasons either.

beravinprb19_ESO

I want Gold and Experience

Cheatingdeath23 wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

awkwarrd wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

All of us are waiting a big pvp patch. Balancing the fukcing OP skills, adding real rewards and turning Cirodiil more interesting battle field.

But, when?

Winter is coming..

Hahaha!

If ZOS takes more than one month to balance the game and adding rewards, this game will die fast. People have not patience this days.

I hope they improve things, but I hope people don't leave for minor reasons either.

Not to sound rude, but these problems are not exactly minor to most PvP players. You cant level up, the gear you can buy is terrible, you get very little gold, servers have no balance, little access to soul gems, and the rewards are useless. All of that without even using the word "balance." I'll give them some time to fix things, and to show they are actually doing something, but don't expect patience when the game has a subscription fee.

holmen_89b16_ESO

I want Experience, so i don't have to go PVE to level up.

One argument that wins over all: "This is an Elder Scrolls game first, then an MMO"

There is such a rich world, yet some of you want to skip it? What is up with you?! Go play one of the other games if you like grinding the same *** over and over.