ZoS, we are NOT with you!

Pops_ND_Irish

Hehe

Graydon

I can't inagine throwing a tantrum will lower prices.

If you don't like the prices then don't buy.

If ZOS agrees the cosmetic features are too pricey and sales are poor, then they will lower them.

Very simple.

petraeus1

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.

However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.

I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.

How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.

Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?

Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.

And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.

People having different tastes can be said of everything in this game, to be honest.

The thing with cosmetics is, it was often encouraged to monetize these rather than selling advantages for real money in competitive games, which is fair. Competitive games are no good when people can buy their way to the top, so rather sell items that do not influence this.

While there are competitive aspects to ESO, it's also very much a roleplaying game. And if you look at about any roleplaying game, character customization is recognized as a huge part of these games. Developers spend enormous amounts of resources modelling equipment and players show off their characters in screenshots, both in single player games and MMOs.

That ZOS wants a part of that pie by selling stuff on the Crown Store - fine. But to say that anything and everything cosmetic goes: I strongly disagree. It takes away from the game if all the cool stuff can only be bought with a credit card. The sense of achievement from finally looking badass is entirely annihilated. For many people, cosmetics isn't just flavour, it's part of their character and part of what they enjoy to do in playing these RPGs.

To have ZOS put everything cosmetic in the Crown Store apart from DLC loyalty rewards (which are also kind of in the Crown Store) and some motifs (which are increasingly a grind to get), is detrimental to the experience of a part of the community, and the price range is not creating goodwill either. People saying 'it's only cosmetic' only betray their own preferences.

As to race change prices, you did not explain the issue with flavour of the month changes?

RocDonald

While a race change or name change is justifiable, charging real money/crowns for appearance/hair style changes however should just cost in-game currency, imho.

JD2013

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.

However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.

I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.

How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.

Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?

Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.

And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.

People having different tastes can be said of everything in this game, to be honest.

The thing with cosmetics is, it was often encouraged to monetize these rather than selling advantages for real money in competitive games, which is fair. Competitive games are no good when people can buy their way to the top, so rather sell items that do not influence this.

While there are competitive aspects to ESO, it's also very much a roleplaying game. And if you look at about any roleplaying game, character customization is recognized as a huge part of these games. Developers spend enormous amounts of resources modelling equipment and players show off their characters in screenshots, both in single player games and MMOs.

That ZOS wants a part of that pie by selling stuff on the Crown Store - fine. But to say that anything and everything cosmetic goes: I strongly disagree. It takes away from the game if all the cool stuff can only be bought with a credit card. The sense of achievement from finally looking badass is entirely annihilated. For many people, cosmetics isn't just flavour, it's part of their character and part of what they enjoy to do in playing these RPGs.

To have ZOS put everything cosmetic in the Crown Store apart from DLC loyalty rewards (which are also kind of in the Crown Store) and some motifs (which are increasingly a grind to get), is detrimental to the experience of a part of the community, and the price range is not creating goodwill either. People saying 'it's only cosmetic' only betray their own preferences.

As to race change prices, you did not explain the issue with flavour of the month changes?

I did not explain as I wasn't sure it needed explaining. However;

As more changes are made to the game, you can bet that racial passives will be changed again etc, there'll always be races with better passives than others in the eyes of the players, and as these things change you'll see everyone changing to Argonian or Nord or Altmer etc, and to me this is a silly thing. Following the meta. It'll make fights in cyrodiil very boring if everyone is running exactly the same meta, don't you think? Variety is the spice of life!

This is why I'm personally glad the price is quite high. Seeing everyone rush to the latest meta is dull, and makes for a less interesting game.

If people want to pay for that then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's their business. There's better things to spend money on to me. But it certainly makes for a less interesting game experience.

Also would you rather ZOS sells cosmetics or P2W items?

petraeus1

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.

However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.

I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.

How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.

Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?

Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.

And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.

People having different tastes can be said of everything in this game, to be honest.

The thing with cosmetics is, it was often encouraged to monetize these rather than selling advantages for real money in competitive games, which is fair. Competitive games are no good when people can buy their way to the top, so rather sell items that do not influence this.

While there are competitive aspects to ESO, it's also very much a roleplaying game. And if you look at about any roleplaying game, character customization is recognized as a huge part of these games. Developers spend enormous amounts of resources modelling equipment and players show off their characters in screenshots, both in single player games and MMOs.

That ZOS wants a part of that pie by selling stuff on the Crown Store - fine. But to say that anything and everything cosmetic goes: I strongly disagree. It takes away from the game if all the cool stuff can only be bought with a credit card. The sense of achievement from finally looking badass is entirely annihilated. For many people, cosmetics isn't just flavour, it's part of their character and part of what they enjoy to do in playing these RPGs.

To have ZOS put everything cosmetic in the Crown Store apart from DLC loyalty rewards (which are also kind of in the Crown Store) and some motifs (which are increasingly a grind to get), is detrimental to the experience of a part of the community, and the price range is not creating goodwill either. People saying 'it's only cosmetic' only betray their own preferences.

As to race change prices, you did not explain the issue with flavour of the month changes?

I did not explain as I wasn't sure it needed explaining. However;

As more changes are made to the game, you can bet that racial passives will be changed again etc, there'll always be races with better passives than others in the eyes of the players, and as these things change you'll see everyone changing to Argonian or Nord or Altmer etc, and to me this is a silly thing. Following the meta. It'll make fights in cyrodiil very boring if everyone is running exactly the same meta, don't you think? Variety is the spice of life!

This is why I'm personally glad the price is quite high. Seeing everyone rush to the latest meta is dull, and makes for a less interesting game.

If people want to pay for that then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's their business. There's better things to spend money on to me. But it certainly makes for a less interesting game experience.

Also would you rather ZOS sells cosmetics or P2W items?

P2W. I couldn't care less if anyone is 'better' than me, I ain't competing with nobody. I just wanna look fancy.

Edit: which just goes to show how different outlooks can be. P2W is like this thing you have to hate on the internet, but honestly to me it completely depends on the game involved. Just as no one cares when someone cheats in a singleplayer game, similarly I don't care if anyone can buy a max level potion and epic gear in a roleplaying game.

Edit2: as to flavour of the month changes - even if it were 500 Crowns, I sincerely doubt people would be changing it all the time. Racial passives will only ever so often be changed sufficiently to warrant a change for min maxers, and frankly if it were ZOS' incentive to prevent people just changing to whatever the meta prescribes, they should have gotten rid of racial passives or disable them in PvP rather than asking 30$ for a race change, imo.

Karius_Imalthar

I don't have a problem with it.

Lysette

To me race change does not matter, because I chose the race, because I wanted to play it and not because it is just a bunch of passives - like it seems to be for high-end players, if they can just easily move from one race to the other. I would rather prefer a class change, which would make more sense to me, to change the profession of a character rather than it's race. But what makes sense in a role play context, seems to be OP seen from the high-end crowd and by ZOS - oh, well, so be it.

JD2013

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.

However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.

I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.

How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.

Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?

Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.

And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.

People having different tastes can be said of everything in this game, to be honest.

The thing with cosmetics is, it was often encouraged to monetize these rather than selling advantages for real money in competitive games, which is fair. Competitive games are no good when people can buy their way to the top, so rather sell items that do not influence this.

While there are competitive aspects to ESO, it's also very much a roleplaying game. And if you look at about any roleplaying game, character customization is recognized as a huge part of these games. Developers spend enormous amounts of resources modelling equipment and players show off their characters in screenshots, both in single player games and MMOs.

That ZOS wants a part of that pie by selling stuff on the Crown Store - fine. But to say that anything and everything cosmetic goes: I strongly disagree. It takes away from the game if all the cool stuff can only be bought with a credit card. The sense of achievement from finally looking badass is entirely annihilated. For many people, cosmetics isn't just flavour, it's part of their character and part of what they enjoy to do in playing these RPGs.

To have ZOS put everything cosmetic in the Crown Store apart from DLC loyalty rewards (which are also kind of in the Crown Store) and some motifs (which are increasingly a grind to get), is detrimental to the experience of a part of the community, and the price range is not creating goodwill either. People saying 'it's only cosmetic' only betray their own preferences.

As to race change prices, you did not explain the issue with flavour of the month changes?

I did not explain as I wasn't sure it needed explaining. However;

As more changes are made to the game, you can bet that racial passives will be changed again etc, there'll always be races with better passives than others in the eyes of the players, and as these things change you'll see everyone changing to Argonian or Nord or Altmer etc, and to me this is a silly thing. Following the meta. It'll make fights in cyrodiil very boring if everyone is running exactly the same meta, don't you think? Variety is the spice of life!

This is why I'm personally glad the price is quite high. Seeing everyone rush to the latest meta is dull, and makes for a less interesting game.

If people want to pay for that then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's their business. There's better things to spend money on to me. But it certainly makes for a less interesting game experience.

Also would you rather ZOS sells cosmetics or P2W items?

P2W. I couldn't care less if anyone is 'better' than me, I ain't competing with nobody. I just wanna look fancy.

Edit: which just goes to show how different outlooks can be. P2W is like this thing you have to hate on the internet, but honestly to me it completely depends on the game involved. Just as no one cares when someone cheats in a singleplayer game, similarly I don't care if anyone can buy a max level potion and epic gear in a roleplaying game.

Hm. See I don't care much for cosmetics. But P2W, despite my complete lack of competitive streak, would bother me. I do find it very interesting how different opinions can be on such things. Though I always respect different opinions, however polar opposite they are from mine.

AClockworkLime

Mix wrote: »

Don't most games charge for such character changes? and Name changes?

Perhaps the base styles could have been available for a gold price at an in-game npc, but their method of "equipping" hair styles etc is quite different and they would have to award everyone the base styles..idk seems like a perk to be able to change appearance and at least once you buy your desired appearance you only do so once, if you want to change your entire appearance/race/etc then you pay the hefty fee for that token.

Translation: "Herp a derp, I don't understand AT ALL why people were clamoring for the option to change their appearance!"

The above translation is true for the vast majority of sycophants desperately trying to win brownie points with the community moderators for reasons that boggle the mind. If you actually don't care, then it wouldn't actually matter if the change was made. It wouldn't have any impact on you whatsoever. Save that you'd use the hell out of it, just like everyone else would -- you're just too proud (or oblivious) to admit it to yourself, let alone anyone else. I mean, I'm sure you never dye your armor either, amirite?

rootimus

Nifty2g wrote: »

As Rich once said, you know you don't have to be here right?

Something he, and Zenimax, would do well to remember.

Bromburak

/lurk

Rohamad_Ali

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

Don't most games charge for such character changes? and Name changes?

Perhaps the base styles could have been available for a gold price at an in-game npc, but their method of "equipping" hair styles etc is quite different and they would have to award everyone the base styles..idk seems like a perk to be able to change appearance and at least once you buy your desired appearance you only do so once, if you want to change your entire appearance/race/etc then you pay the hefty fee for that token.

Translation: "Herp a derp, I don't understand AT ALL why people were clamoring for the option to change their appearance!"

The above translation is true for the vast majority of sycophants desperately trying to win brownie points with the community moderators for reasons that boggle the mind. If you actually don't care, then it wouldn't actually matter if the change was made. It wouldn't have any impact on you whatsoever. Save that you'd use the hell out of it, just like everyone else would -- you're just too proud (or oblivious) to admit it to yourself, let alone anyone else. I mean, I'm sure you never dye your armor either, amirite?

LMAO !

On behalf of all cognitive species in existence , thank you for this .

juhasman

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

@Juhasman, pretty sure you are actually read the EULA.. you are basically just renting space in their game

So? If i rent house I want to have water, gas and electricity because i pay for it and when I am renting space here i cant demand anything and accept everything ?

Voxicity

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?

Are you a ZOS accountant ? Are they in the red and need to charge more money to keep the lights on ? Tell Us how bad it is at ZOS . Are paychecks on hold until crown store credit card payments hit the bank on Thursday ? Do you even know if ZOS makes record profits or record losses ? And if not why is this your argument against people wanting a little more reasonably priced crown store ?

Mate





just no

bedlom

Oh yeah because Zeni are the only company that charge for a name change (sarcasm)
Give me a flipping break pls. God only knows how they feel.
I'd charge the **** out of you too.

Valn

Graydon wrote: »

I can't inagine throwing a tantrum will lower prices.

If you don't like the prices then don't buy.

If ZOS agrees the cosmetic features are too pricey and sales are poor, then they will lower them.

Very simple.

You are the problem with this MMO industry. "Accept it and move on" is a harmful attitude.

Kronuxx

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

I do stand by ZOS that race change should continue to cost crowns as they currently are and at their current price.

BUT, I do agree with you that dyes, appearance changes (as in changing your eyes, chin, lips, nose, etc.), and simple cosmetic changes such as hairstyles, heck even new tattoos should be paid with in-game gold. I feel that paying in-game gold for those simple cosmetic items such as hair, tattoos, and dyes would be much more immersive if let's say you visit a barber shop, as opposed to visiting some ethereal entity known as the "crown store" to have your hair magically changed.

Tonnopesce

Personally i believe the Prices are insane (name token) and i'll never buy them.

On the other side i like the game and i'm happy to pay for core features like dungeons, zones, trial revamp, and the game itself (servers, and dev's months income) for this reason i'm a eso+.

Btw if you see the whole scenario we have a change your character hair/something wherever you want via a 1k crown pakage, and i believe is nice as a feature and not overpriced.

Roechacca

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Mix wrote: »

Don't most games charge for such character changes? and Name changes?

Perhaps the base styles could have been available for a gold price at an in-game npc, but their method of "equipping" hair styles etc is quite different and they would have to award everyone the base styles..idk seems like a perk to be able to change appearance and at least once you buy your desired appearance you only do so once, if you want to change your entire appearance/race/etc then you pay the hefty fee for that token.

Translation: "Herp a derp, I don't understand AT ALL why people were clamoring for the option to change their appearance!"

The above translation is true for the vast majority of sycophants desperately trying to win brownie points with the community moderators for reasons that boggle the mind. If you actually don't care, then it wouldn't actually matter if the change was made. It wouldn't have any impact on you whatsoever. Save that you'd use the hell out of it, just like everyone else would -- you're just too proud (or oblivious) to admit it to yourself, let alone anyone else. I mean, I'm sure you never dye your armor either, amirite?

It's some kind of strange stockholm syndrome on the forums. Baffles the imagination and one of the main reasons I limit my time here.

Kronuxx

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.

However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.

I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.

How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.

Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?

Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.

And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.

People having different tastes can be said of everything in this game, to be honest.

The thing with cosmetics is, it was often encouraged to monetize these rather than selling advantages for real money in competitive games, which is fair. Competitive games are no good when people can buy their way to the top, so rather sell items that do not influence this.

While there are competitive aspects to ESO, it's also very much a roleplaying game. And if you look at about any roleplaying game, character customization is recognized as a huge part of these games. Developers spend enormous amounts of resources modelling equipment and players show off their characters in screenshots, both in single player games and MMOs.

That ZOS wants a part of that pie by selling stuff on the Crown Store - fine. But to say that anything and everything cosmetic goes: I strongly disagree. It takes away from the game if all the cool stuff can only be bought with a credit card. The sense of achievement from finally looking badass is entirely annihilated. For many people, cosmetics isn't just flavour, it's part of their character and part of what they enjoy to do in playing these RPGs.

To have ZOS put everything cosmetic in the Crown Store apart from DLC loyalty rewards (which are also kind of in the Crown Store) and some motifs (which are increasingly a grind to get), is detrimental to the experience of a part of the community, and the price range is not creating goodwill either. People saying 'it's only cosmetic' only betray their own preferences.

As to race change prices, you did not explain the issue with flavour of the month changes?

I did not explain as I wasn't sure it needed explaining. However;

As more changes are made to the game, you can bet that racial passives will be changed again etc, there'll always be races with better passives than others in the eyes of the players, and as these things change you'll see everyone changing to Argonian or Nord or Altmer etc, and to me this is a silly thing. Following the meta. It'll make fights in cyrodiil very boring if everyone is running exactly the same meta, don't you think? Variety is the spice of life!

This is why I'm personally glad the price is quite high. Seeing everyone rush to the latest meta is dull, and makes for a less interesting game.

If people want to pay for that then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's their business. There's better things to spend money on to me. But it certainly makes for a less interesting game experience.

Also would you rather ZOS sells cosmetics or P2W items?

P2W. I couldn't care less if anyone is 'better' than me, I ain't competing with nobody. I just wanna look fancy.

Edit: which just goes to show how different outlooks can be. P2W is like this thing you have to hate on the internet, but honestly to me it completely depends on the game involved. Just as no one cares when someone cheats in a singleplayer game, similarly I don't care if anyone can buy a max level potion and epic gear in a roleplaying game.

Edit2: as to flavour of the month changes - even if it were 500 Crowns, I sincerely doubt people would be changing it all the time. Racial passives will only ever so often be changed sufficiently to warrant a change for min maxers, and frankly if it were ZOS' incentive to prevent people just changing to whatever the meta prescribes, they should have gotten rid of racial passives or disable them in PvP rather than asking 30$ for a race change, imo.

This is odd, as to me also I find P2W a very bad prognostic factor in MMO's. You ever play Neverwinter online? Extreme P2W and hence why the steam reviews for the game are *** poor. Despite the game having some amazing combat mechanics just like ESO. I'd have to agree with @JD2013 that race change should stay at it's current crown price. On the other hand, as I stated in a previous post, cosmetic changes like appearances (such as nose, eyes, lips, hair, chin, etc.), new dyes and tattoos should be in-game gold.

nimander99

Oh mer gerd...

Katahdin

Race change and name change are already available in game for free.

It's called "roll a new character"

The tokens in the crown store are for those who want the convenience of not leveling a new character.

It is not P2W, you can do it any time in game for free.

I have no problems paying for the convenience of changing an existing max level character's name and race. I am also ok with paying to change the appearance of that character. Guild Wars 1 and 2 also charge for these options.

I don't agree with paying for a one time use dye instead of unlocking the dye for my whole account to use forever.

natewook

Valn wrote: »

Graydon wrote: »

I can't inagine throwing a tantrum will lower prices.

If you don't like the prices then don't buy.

If ZOS agrees the cosmetic features are too pricey and sales are poor, then they will lower them.

Very simple.

You are the problem with this MMO industry. "Accept it and move on" is a harmful attitude.

i mean think about it, if we let is fly and be quiet what do you think player housing will be like?

Moonscythe

wookikiller95 wrote: »

U dont HAVE TO buy new Hairs or costumes

And in GTA u can buy Credit Cards for real Money to get ingame money ,
So do u prefer new OPTIANAL hats, costumes, hair, or a P2W model???

And if u are eso+ u get 1500 crowns, so u can change every 2 months your appearence, with not spending additional Money.


Im sick of these posts

Me, too, including yours (and really including your grammar, spelling and typing). Since when is optional cosmetic change paid for in real or game money equal to Pay to Win? Are you saying that if I spend $50 on a new hairstyle or different race I'll win? I already spent $60 on the game and another $20 for Thieves Guild and I haven't won.

natewook

Katahdin wrote: »

Race change and name change are already available in game for free.

It's called "roll a new character"

The tokens in the crown store are for those who want the convenience of not leveling a new character.

It is not P2W, you can do it any time in game for free.

I have no problems paying for the convenience of changing an existing max level character's name and race. I am also ok with paying to change the appearance of that character. Guild Wars 1 and 2 also charge for these options.

I don't agree with paying for a one time use dye instead of unlocking the dye for my whole account to use forever.

you know, some people have lives. and when you have a life out side game you don't have time to level an new character to 50 and re-level enchanting, woodworking, clothing, blacksmithing, alchemy, AND provisioning. not to mention skills within a few weeks.
in fact, if you don't live in your moms basement I'd say all that would take a year to do.

WhitePawPrints

Alliance, Race and Class changes I expected would cost real money.

The majority of the players that want to change appearances are for minor adjustments, to try something new or to correct a mistake that was not so easily visible on the character creation screen. Charging an average of $10.00 for making appearance adjustments is flat out insulting.

I have no quarrels paying money for quality goods, but I do have quarrels at throwing my money away. That is what this is: throwing money away. No gamer who has the self-control to manage their finances would dare waste their money on the Service Tokens.

ZoS may expect that the blindly faithful players lack those management skills of their own finances. They are trying to make money so what is the problem with that? ZoS preys on the poor gamers, while pissing off those who actually make a decent living and make us not want to spend any money with such a shady business.

natewook

natewook wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Race change and name change are already available in game for free.

It's called "roll a new character"

The tokens in the crown store are for those who want the convenience of not leveling a new character.

It is not P2W, you can do it any time in game for free.

I have no problems paying for the convenience of changing an existing max level character's name and race. I am also ok with paying to change the appearance of that character. Guild Wars 1 and 2 also charge for these options.

I don't agree with paying for a one time use dye instead of unlocking the dye for my whole account to use forever.

you know, some people have lives. and when you have a life out side game you don't have time to level an new character to 50 and re-level enchanting, woodworking, clothing, blacksmithing, alchemy, AND provisioning. not to mention skills within a few weeks.
in fact, if you don't live in your moms basement I'd say all that would take a year to do.

oh, and i almost forgot to mention learning traits.

missjackieb14_ESO

ADarklore wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

And how many of those 7M accounts actually pay or use the Crown Store? 7M account =/= active/paying accounts.

tonemd

Katahdin wrote: »

Race change and name change are already available in game for free.

It's called "roll a new character"

The tokens in the crown store are for those who want the convenience of not leveling a new character.

It is not P2W, you can do it any time in game for free.

I have no problems paying for the convenience of changing an existing max level character's name and race. I am also ok with paying to change the appearance of that character. Guild Wars 1 and 2 also charge for these options.

I don't agree with paying for a one time use dye instead of unlocking the dye for my whole account to use forever.

Y'know I guess that kinda sorta answers my concerns as well about having an in game equivalent to game play affecting crown store items. A re-roll would be in line with a free, difficult option for race change.

It's blah but it's there.