ZoS, we are NOT with you!

Daemons_Bane

sadownik wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I think most of us can agree that maybe the prices are a little higher than expected.. maybe that will change though.. but expecting it to be gold cost is lunacy

@TheShadowScout I think the subscriber bonus in this patch is meant to be the free costume coloring

How is it "lunacy" to expect a simple appearance changes to be for in game currency? It is fully in ZOS right to make it crown store feature, its fully in rights of customers to disagree with that decision. Furthermore is ESO one of the f2p products? Then dont charge for the game.

You said it yourself here it's a f2p game, so they have to make their money elsewhere.. so they did.. I could MAYBE see the hair thing become free someday, but not the rest.. Neither should it be.. cheaper maybe, but not free

jedtb16_ESO

actually its b2p

but a business trying to make money....outrageous

that was sarcasm btw

zos we are with you

Wow

Pssst, ZoS, do you know that cheap items sell more?

*speaks in low voice then disappears*

missjackieb14_ESO

Johngo0036 wrote: »

lmfao at this post... did you think it would be for free... lmfao...

"Choose your race, class, name and appearances carefully, wise one!!" - Voice of Yoda...

Because a 10 year old MMO like EverQuest 2 doesn't even charge you real life money to change things like your appearance?

Tandor

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Johngo0036 wrote: »

lmfao at this post... did you think it would be for free... lmfao...

"Choose your race, class, name and appearances carefully, wise one!!" - Voice of Yoda...

Learn how to read, son. I didn't say........ free. I said we should be able to use our GOLD. Why do you struggle with that concept? Do you actually agree with what Zos is doing? If so why? what is the justification to overcharge us with real life money for these items?

I for one agree totally with what ZOS are doing. I think it's right to offer these kinds of services that no-one absolutely needs as a paid-for extra that earns significant revenue for the game from those who both want the services and consider them a reasonable purchase. As to the amount, there isn't a price that everyone would agree with but I don't personally see a problem with the current price. The whole concept of appearance change is pure fluff and I'd rather they charged for that than for more essential stuff. The question of whether they're overcharging is purely subjective, I don't need to provide any justification for them overcharging because I don't believe they are.

So far as the Crown Store generally is concerned I think they have it spot on, there isn't a single thing anybody needs to buy except DLCs for which the price is fine and which you get if you subscribe anyway, and the Crown Store is also a lot less intrusive than in most MMOs that have a cash shop. ZOS have improved greatly the benefits of subscribing but they also have to have ways of earning revenue from those who choose not to subscribe. There's an argument for making more things like appearance change free to subscribers but they have given them costume dyes and the balance could easily be tipped too far if they make it almost essential to subscribe. I think the balance is about right at the moment.

STEVIL

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

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Let me ask you a question . Do you go to Shopping malls and yell at stores that throw sales ? Do you yell at people that look for sales ?

No i dont. I act irl much like i act online.

Now do you irl go to stores that dont offer sales frequently enough or you think are over priced and publicslly rant and scream about it?

Or is your behavior online in these forums somehow different as far ad how you react to vendor choices?

Same question to the OP. IS this how you handle vendors selling non-necessity items at ridiculous prices IRL ie face-to-face?

IRL i buy what i want and can afford. Same here. That will put actual pressure on vendors, not rants. Sometimes rants can irl but it requires mass public involvement and outrage like with that AIDS drug price hike. Good luck with that approach.

This is making me want to go buy a race change name change bundle as a counter-protest that means something.

Preyfar

My biggest issue is my character appearance was permanently changed by a bug. So I have to pay $10 to fix a minor issue that changed my character through no fault of my own?

ADarklore

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

How many MMOs have you played?!? You mention GTA Online but that is not a 'real' MMO. What ZOS charges for is common in almost every true MMO, as they need a constant supply of revenue and subscriptions don't go far enough to keep the doors open. Also, if you're an ESO+ subscriber as you say, than you don't need to purchase dye packs since subscribers can dye for free and there is nothing available in dye packs that you cannot attain through achievements and also the dye packs do not include rare dyes.

JaJaLuka

Let's be serious for a second. This is a company, no cash flow = no ESO.
From a moral stand point I agree with the original post and think it's silly to have to pay for making my character pretty, but if I were in their shoes, I'd probably do something similar (though probably not the exact same thing) if I needed to so the company and game didn't sink. I doubt there are enough loyal subscribers still to keep this game going by themselves and comparing Skyrim to ESO is completely unfair. Skyrim was a single player game so it didn't need as regular content updates and continual cash flow to make it viable, ESO being a live community and ever changing does need that, hence it needs a different kind of revenue.
The sad truth, but true.

Funkopotamus

People need to understand this is a MMO.

They run on servers..
Servers cost money..

Employees need to get paid to program DLC/Patches..


I was not happy to see the SUB fee get scrapped because I knew the quality would take a huge hit.. Look where we are now.. Loading screens are horrid.. Sound issues... Crashing loops..

People wanted a sub free MMO
well you got it..

What do you expect ZOS to sell in the crown store to make money?

Rocks?

It seems like you are happy to let some other sucker buy stuff from the crown store to keep this game going as long as it is things you do not/never would want to buy..

How DARE they actually try to sell something people would actually desire..

I am ESO+ and other than a mount and one pet I have a crap load of crowns saved up because there is simply nothing I want in the crown store

BUT I STILL SUPPORT THIS GAME THROUGH MY ESO+

Why not just pay for the "Convenience" of Hairstyle+ Race changes?

Daemons_Bane

A rock of joy that we can throw after each other in pvp the team with the most rocks in their inventory loses

Ch4mpTW

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).

Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with an NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

I completely agree , especially with the fact Rockstar wouldn't even do it lol . An let's not lose perspective on the amount . Say you just want to change the age of your character , maybe make them a little older now , that's $10 . Say you have 8 characters and want to make small changes , that's $80 . That's the price of a family cell phone plan for a month . ZOS should think about that for a minute .

If they wanted to charge like $5 , I'd still not use it often but I may use it once . Minor changes in most games are free . They could probably milk a lot more out of everyone buy charging a dollar for basic appearance changes . I'd drop $10 to do small things to all my old characters and Im sure a lot more people would use it more often too .

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

ADarklore

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!? Because trying to compare a game that is 'like an MMO' but not real MMO to actual real MMOs is no comparison. There are HUGE cost differentials in operation... and ZOS is operating ESO exactly like most other real MMOs operate.

DeadDealer

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ADarklore

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

DeadDealer

ADarklore wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

it doesnt tell anything about online

average online in steam 2000 players
this is some kind of statistic
not bought accounts lol

FACEPALM
@ADarklore

Wolfshead

To be total honest i believe when 1st read about hairstyle and so on come to ESO that would introduce barbershop and it would pay by gold in game and was super happy about but the more i read i realize we have pay with real money ok fine i get it that we maybe need to unlock hairstyle and so on to barbershop for real money but like a symbol sum but the close we get to patch day the more disappointed i become and today in game i just become super disappointed honest this type off "make over" honest feel more like damn facebook game.

Honest ZoS why are you guys take easy way out why not put in some effort to make feel RPG thing you have great game why do like this it feel sssssssssoooooooo cheap honest and you do samething with player house when it coming out you should be ashame serious look at some of MMO how the have done i have say WoW barbershop is mostlike the best out there and you see change on char while you doing change hairstyle in ESO is ssssooooo bad you have found place with good light preferred daytime and then open and close windows so you can see who it look.

Honest ZoS shame on you to be so badly you guys at ZoS have shape up i really disappointed and i have been subscribe since it went live but i start to feel why should a support a company that dont even care of make thing work better then this if i want to play facebook game and will do on facebook and not in a MMORPG.

MaxwellC

A game called "Runescape" doesn't even do this and their membership based. They do have micro transactions built into the game but they still allow you to change your name for free/ appearance (name change only works once every 24hours+).

GreenhaloX

I know the OP is just voicing his opinion and disagreement, and I wouldn't spend real money to change my hairstyle in ESO, even though, the dual-pony tails do that my DK is sporting is outright ridiculous, but it is not so much of a thing to complain at this level about. When I create a new character, I'll get to put on a better acceptable looking do.. I hope.

ADarklore

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I know the OP is just voicing his opinion and disagreement, and I wouldn't spend real money to change my hairstyle in ESO, even though, the dual-pony tails do that my DK is sporting is outright ridiculous, but it is not so much of a thing to complain at this level about. When I create a new character, I'll get to put on a better acceptable looking do.. I hope.

The new hairstyles and even the original hairstyle 'pack' doesn't work with the character creator, you have to put them on afterward.

Lumenn

ADarklore wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

Not arguing either way on OP but Zos has sold 7m copies since launch, not has 7m active accounts.

ADarklore

Lumenn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

Not arguing either way on OP but Zos has sold 7m copies since launch, not has 7m active accounts.

Actually they said 7M ACCOUNTS... not copies.

anitajoneb17_ESO

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?

Because Skyrim did not require servers, ESO does, servers are costly and ZOS needs money to run them and make profit ?

L2economics.

WacArnold

ZOS is going to set back and watch this feature be used just as much dye stations. You may think its too expensive, but that flaw on your character is going to grind and grind at you until you submit.

But I will say this, it would be cool if hair styles/adornments and paint markings cost in game gold just to up the immersive aspect. But overall appearance, name, and especially race change you had to know it was not going to be cheap.

On the upside they might have sales someday.

BalticBlues

Apart from the fact that the latest Crown prices are coming from pure greed.
It looks like all the new Crown Stuff is ruining the performance on consoles.
In its current state, the console version is close to being unplayable.

Bisenberger96 wrote: »

You could just keep all your gear and reroll a char instead. It doesn't take that long to get to level 50. [...] this thread is just toxic

Level 50 alone is useless, and you know that.
It takes months to level up all skills [Undaunted, Mages Guild etc.]
Guys like you are "toxic", using screwed arguments for defending pure company greed.

Are you really not aware of it? Currently, the console version is dying. Dying between a crippled performance with invisible mobs and loading screens even during dungeons fights while Crown Store prices are introduced killing all the fun in being a customer.

sekou_trayvond

OP asks...

"Why must you charge us real life money for it?"

Well, see...ZoS is a business! They need to recoup the cost (and then some) of the products they make.

Weird, eh?

And seeing as this, um, community would scream bloody murder if (or did, come to think of it) if subs were mandatory, or if they charged for anything sniffing of PTW, they're left to make money on cosmetic things like this in order to not offend your delicate sensibilities regarding, gasp, a business needing to pay the bills, its employees and keep investors happy.

ADarklore

WacArnold wrote: »

ZOS is going to set back and watch this feature be used just as much dye stations. You may think its too expensive, but that flaw on your character is going to grind and grind at you until you submit.

But I will say this, it would be cool if hair styles/adornments and paint markings cost in game gold just to up the immersive aspect. But overall appearance, name, and especially race change you had to know it was not going to be cheap.

On the upside they might have sales someday.

It was Paul Sage's original idea to have this be some part of the in-game experience, but after Paul left, ZOS probably found itself needing to cater more towards the 'need revenue' than cater towards 'player immersion'.

Neirymn

I'm ok with everything costing real money (full appearance change, name change and race change), this is a common practice in MMO's I played, I am not asking to lower the prices BUT. What disappoints me is that nothing was added to the game itself in terms of immersion and lore, like it could have been with a face sculptor like Galathil in Skyrim, she has interesting lines like:

I once practiced my art in the salons and manors of Tamriel's great and good.

I learned my art from the masters of the art of flesh sculpture. I studied with the Faculty of Chirurgeons in Cloudrest. I walked with the Hollow-Faced Men of Nohotogrha for three years. I count the nobility of both the Empire and the Dominion among my clients.

In FFXIV, for example, we can do basic changes like hair cuts and colors, make up and such for 2k gils but we have to pay real money to fully change our appearance. I'd like to have the same possibilities in ESO, with a face sculptor, not a barber, that allows us to change whatever we want but not the voice, gender and some other things so that paying a full appearance change token stay justified.

Besides, why not give us a face sculptor assistant for basic appearance changes purchasable in the Crown Store? I would gladly buy it for 5k crowns without a blink. But I'd rather reroll than paying 1k crowns to only change the adornments or my hair color once in a while.

Lumenn

ADarklore wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Rohamad_Ali
Bruh, R* is on a whole other level than ZOS. Plus they aren't as greedy. Sure they price the content of their new DLC's high (e.g. $10M for the most lavish yacht), but R* actually provides numerous means for you as a player to earn that cash. In a single sitting, if you play your cards right in heists — you can walk away with over $7M. I kid you not. And that's in a typical single sitting. ZOS ain't on no level like that, because the things used to change appearances and all that costs crowns rather than in-game gold. As well as "limited edition" mounts and other things like race change and what not. Rockstar is a company that KNOWS "the game", but also knows it's player base. Other successful companies like Blizzard as well knows "the game" too.

TL;DR Version: ZOS has not yet learned "the game".

And how many real MMOs with megaservers that include hundreds of players at the same time do Rockstar or Blizzard operate?!?

what?
mirror system is not only in teso
and the population of teso not so big as in other mmos, until no official statistic about online except steam

ESO has recently stated they have over 7M accounts.

Not arguing either way on OP but Zos has sold 7m copies since launch, not has 7m active accounts.

Actually they said 7M ACCOUNTS... not copies.

You can't have an account w/o buying a copy of the game so I don't see your point. You claimed 7 million when eso population was brought up. I pointed out they said 7 million from launch, not 7m active.

But if you want to get nitty at 2016 E3 the exact wording was eso has had "7 million players since launch" so again, not active(my point. They didn't say active. Just 7 million. Since launch. But who knows. Maybe I'm way off base here and EVERY single solitary player from launch is still playing.....

Bisenberger96

Sengra wrote: »

Bisenberger96 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Bisenberger96 wrote: »

You know.. You could just keep all your gear and reroll a char instead. It doesn't take that long to get to level 50. And it's FREE! Like @Nifty2g said, this thread is just toxic. Pls stahp.

Hm, I estimated to have my first character at level 50 in about 1.5 years, and I am playing already since 8 months. i would not consider that fast - ok, I play 12 characters and am a casual player, but even if I would spend more time to play and play just one character, it would certainly take me a year at least - because I am not grinding, I am actually playing the game.

If you're casual then why do you care about nitpicky details like how your character looks? Don't spend time moping about a crooked whisker on your khajit, just play the game like you said.

You've got to be kidding. It's still a roleplaying game and for people who don't only play the game for the combat mechanics and the theorycrafting (=winning) their character probably matters a lot.

They said they were casual. I don't know if I'd call RP casual. It is structured and requires you to play your character a certain way, just as playing endgame content does.