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ZoS, we are NOT with you!
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).
Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?
Uhm... It's not really any different from most online games is it?
Sure, when you play a game like Fallout or other single player things, it may be included at some point in the game itself, but, the way I look at it is, who cares? If all this cosmetic stuff is so important to you, then, there ya go. Pay for it.
The whole race change/appearance change/faction change/class change thing is silly anyway. You made your character. Play it. You don't like it. Play a new character.
ZoS is in this to make money. Especially as an online game, they have ongoing maintenance costs that need to be covered (unlike a single player game).
I say. Go for it ZoS. If people are so shallow to spend the money, then charge them.
Business is business. We get enough benefits from having a subscription now. All this extra fluff should be charged for.
I mean, honestly, who really needs to ride a white tiger and have a fairy as a pet?
It sounds like Zos needs to take some business advice from Rockstar then if they want to make some serious cash off of this game.
Rockstar made half a billion dollars off of GTA Online in microtransactions. Here take a look at this article.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5s-online-mode-has-generated-half-a-billion-do/1100-6438765/
Guess what? Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to purchase new cars that gets released... not charging us real life money for new clothing. Heck they're not even charging us real life money to change our hair styles, and changing the color of our hairs. We have the opportunity to use our in-game cash to purchase these items. Oh and Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to change our ingame name. We can change it every 2 years (I think).
Business is indeed business... but remember in business... the customer is always right. In business you are responsible for keeping your customers happy at all times... and that also includes listening to them and learn from them on how to better your relations and products.
You lost me at "GTA Online".
You're equating GTA with ESO? No. Just No. GTA is all about the P2W and microtransactions. If ESO truly goes that way then I'm out. And I'm sure many, many of us semi-casuals will be too.2 -
tonemd✭✭✭✭IMHO all the whining on appearance and name change costs is not important. Those are just cosmetic. ZOS already said that is how they will make their money. You either live with it or you don't.
But race change, that directly affects game play. Some would say that the race stats are not that big a deal but I'm sure ZOS' player data and your own experience says otherwise. Every other gameplay affecting item has an in game equivalent, even if it is nigh unreasonable to actually get. But I haven't heard about some race changing NPC somewhere in-game. Correct me if I'm wrong.0 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭While I do think the prices are bit outrageous, I also think people forget how expensive making, developing and maintaining an mmo actually is, not to mention having to pay those employees.
$100 or even $1000 doesn't go very far. An online game is not like a single player title in its finished form where there is no team developing it.
I mean if you don't want to pay, then don't. Its that simple. No one is forcing you to pull out your credit card and give them your money except yourself.
The less money they make, the less they'll be able to fix and develop. It's a catch 22.
But I do think these prices should be lowered at least by 1/3.
This is why I have no problem subscribing to this game. I became an ESO PLUS member because I enjoy playing the game.raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).
Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?
Uhm... It's not really any different from most online games is it?
Sure, when you play a game like Fallout or other single player things, it may be included at some point in the game itself, but, the way I look at it is, who cares? If all this cosmetic stuff is so important to you, then, there ya go. Pay for it.
The whole race change/appearance change/faction change/class change thing is silly anyway. You made your character. Play it. You don't like it. Play a new character.
ZoS is in this to make money. Especially as an online game, they have ongoing maintenance costs that need to be covered (unlike a single player game).
I say. Go for it ZoS. If people are so shallow to spend the money, then charge them.
Business is business. We get enough benefits from having a subscription now. All this extra fluff should be charged for.
I mean, honestly, who really needs to ride a white tiger and have a fairy as a pet?
It sounds like Zos needs to take some business advice from Rockstar then if they want to make some serious cash off of this game.
Rockstar made half a billion dollars off of GTA Online in microtransactions. Here take a look at this article.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5s-online-mode-has-generated-half-a-billion-do/1100-6438765/
Guess what? Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to purchase new cars that gets released... not charging us real life money for new clothing. Heck they're not even charging us real life money to change our hair styles, and changing the color of our hairs. We have the opportunity to use our in-game cash to purchase these items. Oh and Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to change our ingame name. We can change it every 2 years (I think).
Business is indeed business... but remember in business... the customer is always right. In business you are responsible for keeping your customers happy at all times... and that also includes listening to them and learn from them on how to better your relations and products.
You lost me at "GTA Online".
You're equating GTA with ESO? No. Just No. GTA is all about the P2W and microtransactions. If ESO truly goes that way then I'm out. And I'm sure many, many of us semi-casuals will be too.
That's kinda funny considering the fact that one of the benefits for having ESO Plus is having A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, crafting research, and inspiration and a crafting bag. In fact one of my complaints is that I am leveling up too fast. Oh and ESO is nothing but a microtransactions fest. How can you be so blind not to see it? You should stop playing ESO if you're against P2W and microtransactions.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMHO all the whining on appearance and name change costs is not important. Those are just cosmetic. ZOS already said that is how they will make their money. You either live with it or you don't.
But race change, that directly affects game play. Some would say that the race stats are not that big a deal but I'm sure ZOS' player data and your own experience says otherwise. Every other gameplay affecting item has an in game equivalent, even if it is nigh unreasonable to actually get. But I haven't heard about some race changing NPC somewhere in-game. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm guessing that race change is important for high-end mini/max, end game maybe? But, is race change not something that is purely something for game only? There is no way that, as a character, if it has any development as an individual, could justify a race change.
I would guess that this would really only be a serious issue for high-level players. To the rest of us, it would probably be little more than cosmetic.
I do not agree that race stats are unimportant. I know, even as a very casual player, that I pay attention to my race because those racial perks come in handy.
Am I wrong? Do racial stats honestly have that huge of an impact on most players or is it more of something for our elite players that are just amazing with the mechanics and playing the game? (I've watched the videos and, all I have to say is WOW! I will never be that good!).0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »While I do think the prices are bit outrageous, I also think people forget how expensive making, developing and maintaining an mmo actually is, not to mention having to pay those employees.
$100 or even $1000 doesn't go very far. An online game is not like a single player title in its finished form where there is no team developing it.
I mean if you don't want to pay, then don't. Its that simple. No one is forcing you to pull out your credit card and give them your money except yourself.
The less money they make, the less they'll be able to fix and develop. It's a catch 22.
But I do think these prices should be lowered at least by 1/3.
This is why I have no problem subscribing to this game. I became an ESO PLUS member because I enjoy playing the game.raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).
Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?
Uhm... It's not really any different from most online games is it?
Sure, when you play a game like Fallout or other single player things, it may be included at some point in the game itself, but, the way I look at it is, who cares? If all this cosmetic stuff is so important to you, then, there ya go. Pay for it.
The whole race change/appearance change/faction change/class change thing is silly anyway. You made your character. Play it. You don't like it. Play a new character.
ZoS is in this to make money. Especially as an online game, they have ongoing maintenance costs that need to be covered (unlike a single player game).
I say. Go for it ZoS. If people are so shallow to spend the money, then charge them.
Business is business. We get enough benefits from having a subscription now. All this extra fluff should be charged for.
I mean, honestly, who really needs to ride a white tiger and have a fairy as a pet?
It sounds like Zos needs to take some business advice from Rockstar then if they want to make some serious cash off of this game.
Rockstar made half a billion dollars off of GTA Online in microtransactions. Here take a look at this article.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5s-online-mode-has-generated-half-a-billion-do/1100-6438765/
Guess what? Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to purchase new cars that gets released... not charging us real life money for new clothing. Heck they're not even charging us real life money to change our hair styles, and changing the color of our hairs. We have the opportunity to use our in-game cash to purchase these items. Oh and Rockstar isn't charging us real life money to change our ingame name. We can change it every 2 years (I think).
Business is indeed business... but remember in business... the customer is always right. In business you are responsible for keeping your customers happy at all times... and that also includes listening to them and learn from them on how to better your relations and products.
You lost me at "GTA Online".
You're equating GTA with ESO? No. Just No. GTA is all about the P2W and microtransactions. If ESO truly goes that way then I'm out. And I'm sure many, many of us semi-casuals will be too.
That's kinda funny considering the fact that one of the benefits for having ESO Plus is having A 10% bonus to XP and gold gain, crafting research, and inspiration and a crafting bag. In fact one of my complaints is that I am leveling up too fast. Oh and ESO is nothing but a microtransactions fest. How can you be so blind not to see it? You should stop playing ESO if you're against P2W and microtransactions.
Well... considering that I'm a lousy player, the 10% doesn't really mean anything to me (I still level WAAAYYYY too slowly for my taste
) and the, despite being a subscriber, I never buy anything in the crown store (thus the 21K+ balance), I guess I'm only really a subscriber to support ZoS. Maybe I'm just a fool. 
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: ».
Let me ask you a question . Do you go to Shopping malls and yell at stores that throw sales ? Do you yell at people that look for sales ?
No i dont. I act irl much like i act online.
Now do you irl go to stores that dont offer sales frequently enough or you think are over priced and publicslly rant and scream about it?
Or is your behavior online in these forums somehow different as far ad how you react to vendor choices?
Same question to the OP. IS this how you handle vendors selling non-necessity items at ridiculous prices IRL ie face-to-face?
IRL i buy what i want and can afford. Same here. That will put actual pressure on vendors, not rants. Sometimes rants can irl but it requires mass public involvement and outrage like with that AIDS drug price hike. Good luck with that approach.
This is making me want to go buy a race change name change bundle as a counter-protest that means something.
@STEVIL
I wouldn't call anything I've said a rant . I do go into stores and show managers comparative prices at other locations if the price of something is marked too high . Most managers have no problem marking something equally to a legitimate sales price at a rivals location and appreciate being informed . It's called good business . The other costumers are usually happy too as no one likes to drive around and take their business elsewhere when shopping at a place they like . I haven't met one in real life upset at finding a bargain and keeping my business at that store . lol
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tonemd✭✭✭✭IMHO all the whining on appearance and name change costs is not important. Those are just cosmetic. ZOS already said that is how they will make their money. You either live with it or you don't.
But race change, that directly affects game play. Some would say that the race stats are not that big a deal but I'm sure ZOS' player data and your own experience says otherwise. Every other gameplay affecting item has an in game equivalent, even if it is nigh unreasonable to actually get. But I haven't heard about some race changing NPC somewhere in-game. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm guessing that race change is important for high-end mini/max, end game maybe? But, is race change not something that is purely something for game only? There is no way that, as a character, if it has any development as an individual, could justify a race change.
I would guess that this would really only be a serious issue for high-level players. To the rest of us, it would probably be little more than cosmetic.
I do not agree that race stats are unimportant. I know, even as a very casual player, that I pay attention to my race because those racial perks come in handy.
Am I wrong? Do racial stats honestly have that huge of an impact on most players or is it more of something for our elite players that are just amazing with the mechanics and playing the game? (I've watched the videos and, all I have to say is WOW! I will never be that good!).
I can get by going magicka on my Redguard but none of my race stats really help that build. A 5 or 10% increase in one stat making a character favorable to a certain build is probably not THAT important for the majority of players. This is probably why they thought of it as just cosmetic. But most build videos usually include a preferred race. I primarily PVP so small things like that can explain a particular edge or weakness a certain build may have (that argonian healing emp comes to mind).
I am mainly concerned about that slippery slope. Crossing that game play line even a little opens the door to true pay 2 win items only available in the store. So far the community and ZOS have policed that pretty well.Edited by tonemd on 2 August 2016 16:430 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭Johngo0036 wrote: »lmfao at this post... did you think it would be for free... lmfao...
"Your race, name, class, and appearance wisely you must choose!!"- Voice of Yoda...
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMHO all the whining on appearance and name change costs is not important. Those are just cosmetic. ZOS already said that is how they will make their money. You either live with it or you don't.
But race change, that directly affects game play. Some would say that the race stats are not that big a deal but I'm sure ZOS' player data and your own experience says otherwise. Every other gameplay affecting item has an in game equivalent, even if it is nigh unreasonable to actually get. But I haven't heard about some race changing NPC somewhere in-game. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm guessing that race change is important for high-end mini/max, end game maybe? But, is race change not something that is purely something for game only? There is no way that, as a character, if it has any development as an individual, could justify a race change.
I would guess that this would really only be a serious issue for high-level players. To the rest of us, it would probably be little more than cosmetic.
I do not agree that race stats are unimportant. I know, even as a very casual player, that I pay attention to my race because those racial perks come in handy.
Am I wrong? Do racial stats honestly have that huge of an impact on most players or is it more of something for our elite players that are just amazing with the mechanics and playing the game? (I've watched the videos and, all I have to say is WOW! I will never be that good!).
I can get by going magicka on my Redguard but none of my race stats really help that build. A 5 or 10% increase in one stat making a character favorable to a certain build is probably not THAT important for the majority of players. This is probably why they thought of it as just cosmetic. But most build videos usually include a preferred race. I primarily PVP so small things like that can explain a particular edge or weakness a certain build may have (that argonian healing emp comes to mind).
I am mainly concerned about that slippery slope. Crossing that game play line even a little opens the door to true pay 2 win items only available in the store. So far the community and ZOS have policed that pretty well.
Good thoughts and thank you!0 -
medusasfolly✭✭✭While I do think the prices are bit outrageous, I also think people forget how expensive making, developing and maintaining an mmo actually is, not to mention having to pay those employees.
$100 or even $1000 doesn't go very far. An online game is not like a single player title in its finished form where there is no team developing it.
That's all fine and well, but what is being put out in the crown store is half-a$$ed and repetitive. All the new style stuff that came with the latest patch is not new stuff. It's regurgitated art. Most of the existing costumes are meh. There really hasn't been one thing in the crown shop that's blown me away either with it's awesome quality or uniquely new features. Yet the prices keep getting higher and higher for the same meh stuff. Meh meh meh for more more more crowns.
If ZOS wants to be a McDonald's and serve cheap burgers, then they should charge cheap burger prices. If ZOS wants to be a Morton's and sever high caliber steak, they need to deliver a freaking good meal.
Currently, ZOS is doing neither.2 -
LeDave✭✭✭Hey, it's small things that does not affect game play that you pay for, hairstyle and appearance and names, etc. It's not like you pay for a better weapon or anything. Chill out.3 -
Lafer✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »Come on, Zos! Charging us real life money to change our appearance? To charge us real life money for changing our hairstyles because were getting bored with the current style that our avatars has already? To charge us to purchase dyes? To even go as far as to charge us real life money to change our in-game names?!?!?!??!?! Wow just WOW! How low can your company go??!??!! This is coming from someone who is subscribed to ESO Plus so I'm not just asking for a free handout because I'm financially supporting you already. This does not encourage me to further financially support your company when you do stuffs like this because it's a sign of greed. Even Rockstar wouldn't go this far below in their current golden game (GTA V/Online).
Instead of charging us real life money for these why not allow us to use our gold to get a hair cut or to change our appearance? Heck back in Skyrim each time we want to change our appearance (non vampire) all we had to do is go to Riften in the The Ragged Flagon, and speak with the woman Altmer (Galathil), and give her 1000 gold each time we want to change our appearance. Why not do the same in this game? Each time we want to change our appearance we need to speak with a NPC, and give him/her 1,000 gold for each appearance change? Why must you charge us real life money for it?
Why would you even complain about something minimal like you hair style , your character name etc i mean this is how they make their money there is no subscribtion fee and thats how they make their money apperance / mount etc .If you are tired of your style creat a new character it take 1-2 days max to get it level 50 .I mean seriously there are tons of mmo out there that charge for server swap , chacter name change ,hair style etc don't act like they are the first that came out with this concept .This is what you have to expect from a free to pay game.Healordiet templar healer
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AClockworkLime✭✭✭
Actually, what would make the most sense is for it to be EITHER. You know, like mount training and bag space. You can pay an escalating amount of in-game Gold (perhaps based on the number of changes you make and/or how drastic they are), or pay a flat fee of Crowns to get a full-spectrum change.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »They need to make the barber shop cost INGAME GOLD, if they want to charge crowns for something then they can charge crowns for new dye packs and Hairstyles and Tattoos.
No one's (well, no one sane) is asking for things like Race or Name Changes to be available in-game -- it's more than fair to leave something like *that* as a Crown-only option. But Appearance? That's not something MOST players are only going to do as a one-time thing¹, especially since the screen in which you create your character does NOT reflect what you get in the final product. Especially when you want to change your appearance to match an outfit or something.
And seriously, why the heck do we get unlimited hairstyle changes if we buy that pack... but no option to change hair COLOR, or match it to FACIAL hair or jewelry? It's... it's just nonsensical. Who on earth over there thought this was a good idea?!?
¹ Addendum: That's not something most players are only going to do as a one-time thing BY CHOICE. Forcing it to be a one-time thing by putting it behind a ridiculous -- and yes, $15.00 is a ridiculous amount of money, since that's the minimum you can pay to get the option by either subscribing for one month or buying 1,500 Crowns (there is no 1,000 Crown option) -- is exactly that: Forcing it. And it's a one-time thing people are NOT going to buy more than once, not after they realize how absolutely absurd it is. If it were actually an OPTION, as described in my first paragraph, that would tempt more people in the same way paying Crowns for bag space or mount training does. Because then it's about saving in-game gold for other uses, and becomes a genuine CHOICE for the player, not a slap across the face that it currently is.Edited by AClockworkLime on 2 August 2016 17:430 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?2 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?
Are you a ZOS accountant ? Are they in the red and need to charge more money to keep the lights on ? Tell Us how bad it is at ZOS . Are paychecks on hold until crown store credit card payments hit the bank on Thursday ? Do you even know if ZOS makes record profits or record losses ? And if not why is this your argument against people wanting a little more reasonably priced crown store ?Edited by Rohamad_Ali on 2 August 2016 17:504 -
Smasherx74✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?
Are you a ZOS accountant ? Are they in the red and need to charge more money to keep the lights on ? Tell Us how bad it is at ZOS . Are paychecks on hold until crown store credit card payments hit the bank on Thursday ? Do you even know if ZOS makes record profits or record losses ? And if not why is this your argument against people wanting a little more reasonably prices crown store ?
Also there are many MMOs that don't charge for appearance changes. WoW being the most notable since adding barber shop like half a decade ago.Master Debater2 -
Mix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't most games charge for such character changes? and Name changes?
Perhaps the base styles could have been available for a gold price at an in-game npc, but their method of "equipping" hair styles etc is quite different and they would have to award everyone the base styles..idk seems like a perk to be able to change appearance and at least once you buy your desired appearance you only do so once, if you want to change your entire appearance/race/etc then you pay the hefty fee for that token.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?
Are you a ZOS accountant ? Are they in the red and need to charge more money to keep the lights on ? Tell Us how bad it is at ZOS . Are paychecks on hold until crown store credit card payments hit the bank on Thursday ? Do you even know if ZOS makes record profits or record losses ? And if not why is this your argument against people wanting a little more reasonably priced crown store ?
You could actually answer your own question with a little research. While Zenimax is a privately held company, Hoover's or any other reporting entity has access to all their information.
I agree with @KaiVox22. Do you have any idea what it costs to host servers and keep staff (not to mention all the coders and developers and troubleshooters) for a game as intricate and expansive as ESO?
Besides, what's unreasonable about any of the crown store prices? Seem pretty reasonable to me. You want cosmetic surgery it isn't going to be cheap, why would you expect ZoS to give anything away cheaply. They know full well that people shallow enough to purchase junk (and, yes, it is either junk, purely cosmetic or P2W stuff in the Crown Store) are certainly suckers enough to use their own credit cards (if they have them) to purchase stuff that is well beyond their means in the first place rather than do the simply thing of having a little patience and "saving up" for what they want. An alien concept to our "let's be in debt up to our eyeballs so that we can have instant gratification" culture.3 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.
However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.
I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.Sweetrolls for all!
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Comparing ESO to Skyrim is ridiculous. Do you realise how much money it costs to host a server for everyone who plays ESO just for 1 month?
Are you a ZOS accountant ? Are they in the red and need to charge more money to keep the lights on ? Tell Us how bad it is at ZOS . Are paychecks on hold until crown store credit card payments hit the bank on Thursday ? Do you even know if ZOS makes record profits or record losses ? And if not why is this your argument against people wanting a little more reasonably priced crown store ?
You could actually answer your own question with a little research. While Zenimax is a privately held company, Hoover's or any other reporting entity has access to all their information.
I agree with @KaiVox22. Do you have any idea what it costs to host servers and keep staff (not to mention all the coders and developers and troubleshooters) for a game as intricate and expansive as ESO?
Besides, what's unreasonable about any of the crown store prices? Seem pretty reasonable to me. You want cosmetic surgery it isn't going to be cheap, why would you expect ZoS to give anything away cheaply. They know full well that people shallow enough to purchase junk (and, yes, it is either junk, purely cosmetic or P2W stuff in the Crown Store) are certainly suckers enough to use their own credit cards (if they have them) to purchase stuff that is well beyond their means in the first place rather than do the simply thing of having a little patience and "saving up" for what they want. An alien concept to our "let's be in debt up to our eyeballs so that we can have instant gratification" culture.
I have done some of my own research . ZOS has no share holders because they don't need help . They don't make public reports of subs or a games profits because they don't have too . ZOS makes damn good money and is a very rare game company on the market today in financial stressful times . Do you even know how rare that is to not need share holders in a game company these days ? The thought that anyone needs to insinuate ZOS might be low on money is comical at the least and hysterical when posted seriously ...lolEdited by Rohamad_Ali on 2 August 2016 18:033 -
petraeus1✭✭✭✭It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.
However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.
I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.
How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.
Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?0 -
Pops_ND_Irish✭✭✭✭✭One way to get even, quit !
Doesnt matter what ZOS does there will be a complaint that its too much, its too easy, its too hard.
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would have been nice had they implemented a barber shop a la WoW. Actually in towns and on a sliding scale with regards to how much in game gold you pay. At least for old styles anyway.
However, here we are. They said from the inception of the crown store that it would be mainly for cosmetics, and these fall under cosmetic fluff. Is it right? Likely not. However I'm quite glad race change is quite expensive as it prevents FOTM race changes.
I have no use of it, I won't be using it. But it does make me wonder what they shall do with housing. That's also cosmetic really.
How do you distinguish the 'cosmetic' from the game? It's a RPG - making cosmetic changes to my character is most definitely part of the game to me (and to ZOS as well: why else would they have introduced various sorts of crafting styles in the first place), and buying and editing/decorating virtual real estate similarly has been a source for a large amount of gameplay in (MMO)RPGs I've played previously.
Also, why do you or ZOS care if anyone wants to change his character's race to whatever the flavour of the month is? It doesn't affect anyone but the player in question? Why would this influence ZOS' pricing practices?
Cosmetics, whilst important to some, aren't important to others. It just depends on who you ask.
And their pricing is close to other MMO's when it comes to race change. For example, in WoW a race change is a flat fee of £17 (in British pounds) 3000 crowns is around the same price. Depending on where you go and on sales on crowns etc. I'm guessing that's what influenced their pricing.
Sweetrolls for all!
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✭✭✭✭✭ZeniMax was reportedly valued at $1.2 billion, in 2007[10] and later speculated to be valued at $2.5 billion or more in 2016."[1]
I'd say the company is doing great financially .1 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭I think hairstyles should be purchaseable with gold and be done in-game
Appearance change and name change for crowns is fine for me and I don't want them to be cheap.
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LeDave✭✭✭If you don't like it, then quit, okay? Now why don't you all do us a favor and quit so we don't have to hear your cry about your personal problems with the game.
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