Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

trimsic_ESO

Xeven wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Sorcs are mad cause now they need more than 15k health.

Every single PvP samina build is also rolling with 15k health. Can I get a Medium Armor breaker set?

A player would be mad to play a stamina build with only 15k health. I've never seen any of them.

Derra

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

ThisOnePosts

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

Here's an idea. Look at the Resto Staff skill line, there's a few other options for ya right in front of your eyes when you're healing. I never said burst heals. But given nothing takes away from Magicka (like sprinting, blocking, etc..) except magicka abilities, as well as the vast amount of ways to get your Magicka and Magicka Recovery to ridiculous levels... not to mention lowering the costs, etc.. with CP... you'll be able to spam heals on people. A group of 4 of us took down a district boss earlier with such a healer. FOUR OF US. No one using shields. We had 2 sorcs and 2 nbs in our group, and no the sorcs weren't shield stacking. I don't primarily heal, I find it a bit too relaxed for my taste but I know there are some great healers on these forums who can give you some tips on healing if all you do is make a post and ask (or if you get lucky and they see your post here).

If you are trying to match the healing of a Templar, then make a Templar. Templar's can't match a Sorc's quick escape, can they? No, they can't.

Sharee

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

I use rally.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

Here's an idea. Look at the Resto Staff skill line, there's a few other options for ya right in front of your eyes when you're healing. I never said burst heals. But given nothing takes away from Magicka (like sprinting, blocking, etc..) except magicka abilities, as well as the vast amount of ways to get your Magicka and Magicka Recovery to ridiculous levels... not to mention lowering the costs, etc.. with CP... you'll be able to spam heals on people. A group of 4 of us took down a district boss earlier with such a healer. FOUR OF US. No one using shields. We had 2 sorcs and 2 nbs in our group, and no the sorcs weren't shield stacking. I don't primarily heal, I find it a bit too relaxed for my taste but I know there are some great healers on these forums who can give you some tips on healing if all you do is make a post and ask (or if you get lucky and they see your post here).

If you are trying to match the healing of a Templar, then make a Templar. Templar's can't match a Sorc's quick escape, can they? No, they can't.

So basically only templar's should have access to a strong burst heal that doesn't condemn their allies? You seem to think i'm a shield stacker looking for easy mode, and I only think that perhaps once did I ever use two shields at the same time. This isn't about shield stacking, its about a horribly designed set that is so widely changing things but so many people, such as yourself, are so caught up in the "KILL THE EVIL SHIELD STACKERS" mentality that anyone who says otherwise just must be one of these oh so hated people.

There need to be options and by making this set I feel zos is just looking for quick fixes. Did they give sorcerer's an in class means of surviving that can take the place of their wards for when this set is used? If anything they nerfed their alternatives. When playing against someone with this set do I have a way to negate it, or do I just have to accept the new all powerful meta of rock paper scissors until I die and can change my bars to remove shields? This is a lazy fix that goes beyond its intended purpose without adding depth to the game, and if anything it discourages many abilities, passives, and synergies.

byrom101b16_ESO

Why is there a general, and entirely misinformed assumption that there is a viable magician sorcerer build WITHOUT shields?

You have to wear LA to make magicka work, and if you cannot use your sheild, your stamina won't acheive anything whatsoever.

Nothing close to even a second rate viable defence remains once you stop using your shield.

So why don't one of you 'geniuses' inform the magicka using Sorcerer players how to build this 'new meta' shieldless sorcerer or else just stop posting useless drivel.

I don't personally think the SB set is a disaster for sorcerers, but it is unbalanced in conjunction with the other nerds to survivability in the skill set.

But suggesting a shieldless sorcerer build is the answer is utter garbage.

rfennell_ESO

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

But suggesting a shieldless sorcerer build is the answer is utter garbage.

True dat.

Thing that sometimes gets lost in translation to non sorcs is that as a magicka sorc your options are stack shields OR die constantly.

Now if shield breaker is truly so overpowered versus shields (is it?) and it makes it so magicka sorcs are dead on arrival there is a problem.

It's hard to compute as every nerf shield breaker post is full of hyperbole and vitriol. My guess is a whole lot of it is "I got taken down low on health and reapplied my shields and still died". The issue of running around with 13k health and 49k magicka is likely more the problem than shield breaker is. It sounds more like the issue of being vulnerable when low on health and trying to escape and dying is causing the complaintfest.

If reality is that sorcs can't afford to stack magicka to max and might have to actually invest in some health and actually play the game like every other class does and not run full max shields builds... well, with the buff to light armor's defenses coupled with lightning form and possible 2 heavy armor pieces, the light armor sorc ought be higher armor than a medium user is. It's not like shield breaker actually prevents the use of healing ward as it's been used. It's just you can't just healing ward as 10% health, conjured ward, harness with a streak thrown in there and be back at full health gibbing people.

Tankqull

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

But suggesting a shieldless sorcerer build is the answer is utter garbage.

True dat.

Thing that sometimes gets lost in translation to non sorcs is that as a magicka sorc your options are stack shields OR die constantly.

Now if shield breaker is truly so overpowered versus shields (is it?) and it makes it so magicka sorcs are dead on arrival there is a problem.

It's hard to compute as every nerf shield breaker post is full of hyperbole and vitriol. My guess is a whole lot of it is "I got taken down low on health and reapplied my shields and still died". The issue of running around with 13k health and 49k magicka is likely more the problem than shield breaker is. It sounds more like the issue of being vulnerable when low on health and trying to escape and dying is causing the complaintfest.

If reality is that sorcs can't afford to stack magicka to max and might have to actually invest in some health and actually play the game like every other class does and not run full max shields builds... well, with the buff to light armor's defenses coupled with lightning form and possible 2 heavy armor pieces, the light armor sorc ought be higher armor than a medium user is. It's not like shield breaker actually prevents the use of healing ward as it's been used. It's just you can't just healing ward as 10% health, conjured ward, harness with a streak thrown in there and be back at full health gibbing people.

the problem is its dmg (DPS) is > than all restostaff heals (HPS) combined provide. (you´ll need 4stacked healing springs to compensate 5+ to reg slightly wich with 6sec duration is eaqual to be unable to deal any dmg at all...and thx to the change of springs you are stuck to a rather small area as its hot drops of once you leave its area of effect...)

so on top of that it made any non templar healer in PvP useless.

rfennell_ESO

Tankqull wrote: »

the problem is its dmg (DPS) is > than all restostaff heals (HPS) combined provide. (you´ll need 4stacked healing springs to compensate 5+ to reg slightly wich with 6sec duration is eaqual to be unable to deal any dmg at all...and thx to the change of springs you are stuck to a rather small area as its hot drops of once you leave its area of effect...)

so on top of that it made any non templar healer in PvP useless.

In truth from using shield breaker set all night, it's really only powerful versus no health scrubs. It's about right versus everyone else.

It's not insane damage. Why people are saying it is defies logic. Then again, I guess the logic is mostly "I got killed at 10% health with shields up, RAGE RAGE RAGE".

Derra

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

Here's an idea. Look at the Resto Staff skill line, there's a few other options for ya right in front of your eyes when you're healing. I never said burst heals. But given nothing takes away from Magicka (like sprinting, blocking, etc..) except magicka abilities, as well as the vast amount of ways to get your Magicka and Magicka Recovery to ridiculous levels... not to mention lowering the costs, etc.. with CP... you'll be able to spam heals on people. A group of 4 of us took down a district boss earlier with such a healer. FOUR OF US. No one using shields. We had 2 sorcs and 2 nbs in our group, and no the sorcs weren't shield stacking. I don't primarily heal, I find it a bit too relaxed for my taste but I know there are some great healers on these forums who can give you some tips on healing if all you do is make a post and ask (or if you get lucky and they see your post here).

If you are trying to match the healing of a Templar, then make a Templar. Templar's can't match a Sorc's quick escape, can they? No, they can't.

Dude you´re so full of yourself. I´ve asked about pvp. Healing IN PVP AS I STATED IN MY POST as a non templar was not even close to a templar before the healing ward nerf and shieldbreaker. Now i´m still waiting for you to show me an option to do so on my sorc bc i see none vaible currently.
I´ve played the main healer in a small grp for all of 1.6. So i know what i´m talking about. You stated you do not. So thanks for your opinion but you´re clearly a jon snow kinda guy in this case.

Araxleon

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

Here's an idea. Look at the Resto Staff skill line, there's a few other options for ya right in front of your eyes when you're healing. I never said burst heals. But given nothing takes away from Magicka (like sprinting, blocking, etc..) except magicka abilities, as well as the vast amount of ways to get your Magicka and Magicka Recovery to ridiculous levels... not to mention lowering the costs, etc.. with CP... you'll be able to spam heals on people. A group of 4 of us took down a district boss earlier with such a healer. FOUR OF US. No one using shields. We had 2 sorcs and 2 nbs in our group, and no the sorcs weren't shield stacking. I don't primarily heal, I find it a bit too relaxed for my taste but I know there are some great healers on these forums who can give you some tips on healing if all you do is make a post and ask (or if you get lucky and they see your post here).

If you are trying to match the healing of a Templar, then make a Templar. Templar's can't match a Sorc's quick escape, can they? No, they can't.

Dude you´re so full of yourself. I´ve asked about pvp. Healing IN PVP AS I STATED IN MY POST as a non templar was not even close to a templar before the healing ward nerf and shieldbreaker. Now i´m still waiting for you to show me an option to do so on my sorc bc i see none vaible currently.
I´ve played the main healer in a small grp for all of 1.6. So i know what i´m talking about. You stated you do not. So thanks for your opinion but you´re clearly a jon snow kinda guy in this case.

Can i be little finger?

mr_wazzabi

Question.
Does shield breaker also trigger on powers that have major resolve? Like immovable, spiked armour and shadow barrier?

Major resolve is technically not a shield, but increases physical resistance.

Sharee

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Question.
Does shield breaker also trigger on powers that have major resolve? Like immovable, spiked armour and shadow barrier?

Major resolve is technically not a shield, but increases physical resistance.

Of those three, only on spiked armor that has been morphed to give a shield on activation. It has to be a damage-absorbing shield, not damage resistance.

Makkir

Dear tunnel vision sorcs,

5pc Twilights Embrace, 3 jewelry set majicka/spell dmg, 2 pc torug pacts (sword and board), resto staff on bar 2.
Power Overload on your DPS bar (your S&B bar), atronach or negate on your resto bar

dps bar- Crit Surge (the one that heals you), Frags, Wrath, Vel Curse, streak (I use def stance and put streak on my resto bar)


On resto bar use Rapid Regen, Def Rune, struct enthropy, Force Siphon (whatever the hell that resto ability is called that restores health when you attack target), Streak (or boundless storm)

Power Overload Bar- Daedric Mines, Streak, struct entrophy, crit surge, Frags

62 attrib pts into health
spell power mundus stone
mix of health/majicka enchants
Tri stat food


Shield Breaker problem solved

CP5

Makkir wrote: »

Dear tunnel vision sorcs,

5pc Twilights Embrace, 3 jewelry set majicka/spell dmg, 2 pc torug pacts (sword and board), resto staff on bar 2.
Power Overload on your DPS bar (your S&B bar), atronach or negate on your resto bar

dps bar- Crit Surge (the one that heals you), Frags, Wrath, Vel Curse, streak (I use def stance and put streak on my resto bar)


On resto bar use Rapid Regen, Def Rune, struct enthropy, Force Siphon (whatever the hell that resto ability is called that restores health when you attack target), Streak (or boundless storm)

Power Overload Bar- Daedric Mines, Streak, struct entrophy, crit surge, Frags

62 attrib pts into health
spell power mundus stone
mix of health/majicka enchants
Tri stat food


Shield Breaker problem solved

Resto staff mandatory as well? Love the possibilities for different builds with all the options the sorcerer class has to heal themselves to work around this set, let alone the implications this set has on the entire game. Dear tunnel vision people who hate shield stackers, this set does so much more and is a poor fix to the problem.

Makkir

CP5 wrote: »

Shield Breaker problem solved

Resto staff mandatory as well? Love the possibilities for different builds with all the options the sorcerer class has to heal themselves to work around this set, let alone the implications this set has on the entire game. Dear tunnel vision people who hate shield stackers, this set does so much more and is a poor fix to the problem.

I could post my stamina sorc build as well but that's my secret for now.
If multiple builds could destroy one item set then I would call that set broken. Every single sorc build should NOT be effective against shield breaker. Instead of crying on the forums I have learned to adapt. I don't like the set either, but I played a ret paladin in WoW for 10 years and with every expac I learned to adapt and change my gear/stats/rotation/etc.

On an added note...I have yet to see the shield breaker proc on any of my death recaps. Not everyone is using it. And the people who are using it and not getting a proc (because some of us are not running shields) then they are gimping themselves of a 5pc bonus. Yes it could be toned down a bit, but it's really not that hard to build something effective if you are specifically looking for the opposition to that set.

Xeven

Makkir wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Shield Breaker problem solved

Resto staff mandatory as well? Love the possibilities for different builds with all the options the sorcerer class has to heal themselves to work around this set, let alone the implications this set has on the entire game. Dear tunnel vision people who hate shield stackers, this set does so much more and is a poor fix to the problem.

I could post my stamina sorc build as well but that's my secret for now.
If multiple builds could destroy one item set then I would call that set broken. Every single sorc build should NOT be effective against shield breaker. Instead of crying on the forums I have learned to adapt. I don't like the set either, but I played a ret paladin in WoW for 10 years and with every expac I learned to adapt and change my gear/stats/rotation/etc.

On an added note...I have yet to see the shield breaker proc on any of my death recaps. Not everyone is using it. And the people who are using it and not getting a proc (because some of us are not running shields) then they are gimping themselves of a 5pc bonus. Yes it could be toned down a bit, but it's really not that hard to build something effective if you are specifically looking for the opposition to that set.

No *** captain obvious. We're already running builds specifically to counter night blades and dragon knights and templars, oh my! Now we should squeeze more *** into our 10 slots? We can't.

Your post is not helpful.

Makkir

Xeven wrote: »

No *** captain obvious. We're already running builds specifically to counter night blades and dragon knights and templars, oh my! Now we should squeeze more *** into our 10 slots? We can't.

Your post is not helpful.

Neither is your whining all over the forums because you can't win.

Basically you want a "one fit for all" type of build. Good luck. By the way, before I swapped to stamina this week, I ran the set up I posted above and was fine against DKs, NBs, etc. So I don't understand what else you want to squeeze into your ten slots.

Xeven

Makkir wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

No *** captain obvious. We're already running builds specifically to counter night blades and dragon knights and templars, oh my! Now we should squeeze more *** into our 10 slots? We can't.

Your post is not helpful.

neither is your whining all over the forums because you can't win.

LOL I tell you what there Makkir. Bring your super secret Stork build on over to my house and I'll make you look stupid. We'll post it on youtube for all the world to see. Name the time and the place.

Makkir

Makkir

Should probably let you know I am running shield breaker on my stork, get your tissues ready.

Xeven

That's what I thought. lol. All talk.

Makkir

Xeven your repair bills fully fund the war effort in Cyrodiil

Xeven

I'm just waiting for that time and that place.

ToRelax

Makkir wrote: »

Dear tunnel vision sorcs,

5pc Twilights Embrace, 3 jewelry set majicka/spell dmg, 2 pc torug pacts (sword and board), resto staff on bar 2.
Power Overload on your DPS bar (your S&B bar), atronach or negate on your resto bar

dps bar- Crit Surge (the one that heals you), Frags, Wrath, Vel Curse, streak (I use def stance and put streak on my resto bar)


On resto bar use Rapid Regen, Def Rune, struct enthropy, Force Siphon (whatever the hell that resto ability is called that restores health when you attack target), Streak (or boundless storm)

Power Overload Bar- Daedric Mines, Streak, struct entrophy, crit surge, Frags

62 attrib pts into health
spell power mundus stone
mix of health/majicka enchants
Tri stat food


Shield Breaker problem solved

You are aware this build hits like a wet noodle and you need more damage now to kill people, not less?

Xeven

Makkir wrote: »

62 attrib pts into health
spell power mundus stone
mix of health/majicka enchants
Tri stat food


Shield Breaker problem solved

Lol, c'mon now. Why are we even entertaining this BS?

62 points into health. Problem solved. LMFAO! This dude is special.

Tonturri

Fight, fight, fight!

Makkir

ToRelax wrote: »

You are aware this build hits like a wet noodle and you need more damage now to kill people, not less?

I wouldn't call it a wet noodle but it's certainly not glass cannon. Build was focused around Power Overload light attacks and being able to sustain resources longer than my opponent. I understand someone in Shield Breaker set spamming light attacks isn't draining resources but the fact I am not procc'ing his 5pc bonus means he needs to hit me with something other than LA's.

When you are rolling around with 18k health doing X amount of damage versus 27k health doing X minus 900-ish damage, the sacrifice for larger health pool was worth while. I rolled with glass cannon for 2 weeks and since the regen has changed, we are running out of resources faster especially if you are stacked for glass cannon. I played around with some stats and I "Felt" much better rolling around with 27k health doing slightly less damage. I made up for the majikca loss by picking up torugs pact (S&B) 2 piece for spell dmg increase. When I get Molag Kena 2 piece, the power overload light attacks would become more powerful, assuming I decide to drop stamina build. Sorry for the grammar and the arbitrary numbers...my 20 month old has a cold and I literally got about an hour of sleep last night.

Xeven didn't mean to pick on you, but get tired of same posts over and over again. I found a way to adapt and it has been working for me. Maybe I have been lucky and going up against bads...

Oh BTW..,..On PTS my stamina build is close to 50k health. Not much PvP going on right now but I am like 15-0 in 1v1 situations and it is insane in PvE situations in IC. On live I am not quite to those stats yet, jewelry set is a bit out of reach for another few wks.

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

No *** captain obvious. We're already running builds specifically to counter night blades and dragon knights and templars, oh my! Now we should squeeze more *** into our 10 slots? We can't.

Your post is not helpful.

neither is your whining all over the forums because you can't win.

LOL I tell you what there Makkir. Bring your super secret Stork build on over to my house and I'll make you look stupid. We'll post it on youtube for all the world to see. Name the time and the place.

Why are you talking trash to someone?

Makkir

Yeah I could have just kept my mouth shut instead of sharing some info on what has been working for me but I guess some will be stuck in their ways.