Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
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I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

Tankqull

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

BalticBlues

Shields are meant to PROTECT you from damage.
With the Shield Breaker set, shields become a MAGNET for damage.

This turns entire skills and classes if not even the game UPSIDE DOWN.
It's like ZOS recommending going naked now instead of using protection.

Shields become USELESS, if you cannot risk using them
because the "attracted damage" kills you within a second.

The current DAMAGE OUTPUT of the Shield Breaker set is beyond belief.
Make it 10% of the current value, then we may have a foundation to work with.

FriedEggSandwich

ViciousWayz wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

I play on each class, equally. Right now my Sorc is the most powerful of my characters in PVP if I decide to shield stack, followed by my Templar a close second. The most annoying thing I can do with my DK is keep people in talons, which a tiny bit of distance fixes. My NB has no shield built into the class and most people who choose NB, don't want to run Magicka or else they would've went with something else. Keep in mind I am saying most and talking from experience as well as others I know. Magicka NB is damn good, but it's just not as fun.

Try to fight someone without as much shield as your health and maybe people won't have to dedicate their sets specifically to keeping you from what many here seem to feel is exploiting.

If it's exploiting then it's one of the oldest exploits in the game. I'm still running the same pvp skill setup I was in august 2014, and it involves stacking hardened ward with harness magicka. It definitely didn't feel like exploiting then, at what point did it become an exploit? The only major change I've made since then is switching out double resto staff for destro/resto when the 10% damage buff was removed from resto staff. My point is I'm now being classed as an exploiter for running the same build I always have. CP and no softcaps have a lot to answer for.

While light armour offers 1/4 of the mitigation of heavy, shield stacking will be necessary against the hardest hitters unless individual shields are buffed. Sure I could spec a bit more into hp and run about with no shields and I'd probably be able to take out a few clueless players, but I would still be wearing light armour and would still have no chance against high dps builds and battle-hardened players. I might play with heavy armour and bound aegis to see what happens but I have a suspicion I will just be a tank with poor dps, regen and penetration. I would like to remain competetive please.

As for this set; well it's a lot to give up just to counter sorcs, and I know that good players know plenty of other counters, so I can't see that many players using it in the long run. Seems like a gimmick or novelty. I can see how it would be attractive to sorc haters though, but to hate sorcs that much you can't be any good so I hope they enjoy the crutch.

Cloak has been broken for over a year, does that make it okay? Shield stacking was not so common a year ago, it's blown up over the last several months to the point it's being heavily relied upon and abused... by 3 out of 4 classes and by Sorcs the absolute worst.

If I put up a shield on my Sorc/DK/Temp, which I do.... it will be 1 shield. Why you MIGHT ask? Well, just because something is commonly being done doesn't mean it is right. It feels like a cheap move to me. It's sad to see how many rely on such nonsense that there is literally 1 DIRECT counter to those shields in the game and the tears are being shed by about 12 people over and over.

As you say shield stacking is necessary versus the hardest hitters all the other shield stackers are talking about how they can no longer deal with a person who uses a shield breaker set while fighting 3 other people!!!!!!!!! The proof that shield stacking is a problem and has been abused to the point it's being recognized as an exploit is all over Youtube and these forums. Shield breaker does nothing but make it a real fight between shield stackers and shield breakers. It's not a guaranteed win unless the shield stacker is inexperienced in actual combat without shields that are almost equal to their entire health.

Here's the thing. Imagine if you could instantly re-apply your health to full over and over and over and over thanks to low cost Magicka and many options to get great magicka regen? That's what it's like with shield stackers.

Refer to the video again and watch that guy take on a whole bunch of people, not from skill, but because his health wouldn't move. Sure they could've done some things better, but his health was always high. That's beyond an exploit, that's ridiculous. I also never do the Twice-Born Star trick, I don't shield stack, and I didn't use Nirnhoned when it was found out to be doing something that we all knew it shouldn't. But that's just me, I like a good fight, not the next easy win which shield stacking has become for a while now and so now here we are.. with a counter like there should've been a long time ago.

This is called balancing and making things right.

You can't tell me shield stacking is an exploit when zos had the opportunity to do something about it in 1.6 with the major and minor buffs, but didn't. You really do sound sore and I believe your perspective is distorted. The patch has been live less than a week, nobody can tell what is too strong or too weak yet, things will take a while to settle, some people have v16 gear some don't and this really makes a difference. I can't take you that seriously because I stack 2 shields, 3 when low hp, and plenty of non-sorcs can kill me 1v1. I also have the 1vX experiences where I'm just kiting groups around and picking off individuals. How can these two thing be possible? Because some people know how to kill a sorc but more don't. Hardly any templars use eclipse on me, they just run spamming bol and turning to jab me occasionally. Eclipse really spoils my day. As does fear, fossilize, talons (because I can't turn around), whips (used to - rip), reflective scales, absorb magic, dark flare, spear, mark target, snipe, lotus fan and any burst damage. Get sorcs on the defensive more.

Edit: I also never once had more than one mundus, or any toggles on my overload bar. I was proud not to be one of the exploiters. Another reason I can't take your exploit claim seriously.

Domander

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Where are the light attacks on that recap?

Absorbed.

ah, heh.

Thanks, yeah, that makes sense.

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
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I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

ThisOnePosts

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

I play on each class, equally. Right now my Sorc is the most powerful of my characters in PVP if I decide to shield stack, followed by my Templar a close second. The most annoying thing I can do with my DK is keep people in talons, which a tiny bit of distance fixes. My NB has no shield built into the class and most people who choose NB, don't want to run Magicka or else they would've went with something else. Keep in mind I am saying most and talking from experience as well as others I know. Magicka NB is damn good, but it's just not as fun.

Try to fight someone without as much shield as your health and maybe people won't have to dedicate their sets specifically to keeping you from what many here seem to feel is exploiting.

If it's exploiting then it's one of the oldest exploits in the game. I'm still running the same pvp skill setup I was in august 2014, and it involves stacking hardened ward with harness magicka. It definitely didn't feel like exploiting then, at what point did it become an exploit? The only major change I've made since then is switching out double resto staff for destro/resto when the 10% damage buff was removed from resto staff. My point is I'm now being classed as an exploiter for running the same build I always have. CP and no softcaps have a lot to answer for.

While light armour offers 1/4 of the mitigation of heavy, shield stacking will be necessary against the hardest hitters unless individual shields are buffed. Sure I could spec a bit more into hp and run about with no shields and I'd probably be able to take out a few clueless players, but I would still be wearing light armour and would still have no chance against high dps builds and battle-hardened players. I might play with heavy armour and bound aegis to see what happens but I have a suspicion I will just be a tank with poor dps, regen and penetration. I would like to remain competetive please.

As for this set; well it's a lot to give up just to counter sorcs, and I know that good players know plenty of other counters, so I can't see that many players using it in the long run. Seems like a gimmick or novelty. I can see how it would be attractive to sorc haters though, but to hate sorcs that much you can't be any good so I hope they enjoy the crutch.

Cloak has been broken for over a year, does that make it okay? Shield stacking was not so common a year ago, it's blown up over the last several months to the point it's being heavily relied upon and abused... by 3 out of 4 classes and by Sorcs the absolute worst.

If I put up a shield on my Sorc/DK/Temp, which I do.... it will be 1 shield. Why you MIGHT ask? Well, just because something is commonly being done doesn't mean it is right. It feels like a cheap move to me. It's sad to see how many rely on such nonsense that there is literally 1 DIRECT counter to those shields in the game and the tears are being shed by about 12 people over and over.

As you say shield stacking is necessary versus the hardest hitters all the other shield stackers are talking about how they can no longer deal with a person who uses a shield breaker set while fighting 3 other people!!!!!!!!! The proof that shield stacking is a problem and has been abused to the point it's being recognized as an exploit is all over Youtube and these forums. Shield breaker does nothing but make it a real fight between shield stackers and shield breakers. It's not a guaranteed win unless the shield stacker is inexperienced in actual combat without shields that are almost equal to their entire health.

Here's the thing. Imagine if you could instantly re-apply your health to full over and over and over and over thanks to low cost Magicka and many options to get great magicka regen? That's what it's like with shield stackers.

Refer to the video again and watch that guy take on a whole bunch of people, not from skill, but because his health wouldn't move. Sure they could've done some things better, but his health was always high. That's beyond an exploit, that's ridiculous. I also never do the Twice-Born Star trick, I don't shield stack, and I didn't use Nirnhoned when it was found out to be doing something that we all knew it shouldn't. But that's just me, I like a good fight, not the next easy win which shield stacking has become for a while now and so now here we are.. with a counter like there should've been a long time ago.

This is called balancing and making things right.

You can't tell me shield stacking is an exploit when zos had the opportunity to do something about it in 1.6 with the major and minor buffs, but didn't. You really do sound sore and I believe your perspective is distorted. The patch has been live less than a week, nobody can tell what is too strong or too weak yet, things will take a while to settle, some people have v16 gear some don't and this really makes a difference. I can't take you that seriously because I stack 2 shields, 3 when low hp, and plenty of non-sorcs can kill me 1v1. I also have the 1vX experiences where I'm just kiting groups around and picking off individuals. How can these two thing be possible? Because some people know how to kill a sorc but more don't. Hardly any templars use eclipse on me, they just run spamming bol and turning to jab me occasionally. Eclipse really spoils my day. As does fear, fossilize, talons (because I can't turn around), whips (used to - rip), reflective scales, absorb magic, dark flare, spear, mark target, snipe, lotus fan and any burst damage. Get sorcs on the defensive more.

Edit: I also never once had more than one mundus, or any toggles on my overload bar. I was proud not to be one of the exploiters. Another reason I can't take your exploit claim seriously.

Just because ZOS didn't "fix" it doesn't mean they won't. Now with all of this attention on it, I wouldn't be surprised if shields get limited down the line. If you think the handful of people are crying now, just wait until they see the attention they brought to their shields. ZOS implemented a counter, plain and simple. If you aren't spamming your shields you're not going to keep getting hit with the shield breaker 5 pcs bonus, simple.

Sore? Nah, but the people QQing in this thread about SB are apparently if you look through the thread. I have A SORC. It's the 2nd character I maxed out. I use it just about every day. However, playing each and every class both PVE end-game and PVP has given me a perspective that sees very clearly when people are QQing over cheap methods being fixed one way or another (in this case a counter was added to discourage it instead of them placing hard limits, which will most likely be the next step if there is one).

I remember when Sorcs were on the forums crying about DKs and Temps. No class can shield stack like a Sorc. Also I never said every single Sorc is using 2x Mundus without keeping the Twice-Born Star set on. Many people do this, I also pointed out that I NEVER do this on my Sorc nor do I shield stack. You can think whatever helps you sleep better at night, but if shield stacking was not to be discouraged in ZOS' eyes, there would be no counter to it. It should've had a counter long ago and there should be more options for all classes to counter it whether magicka or stam, just like there is for basically everything.

Watch that video I showed you again... then type in Sorc 1vX into Youtube and look at all the damn videos. Find me more videos where a Sorc isn't shield stacking that isn't from the pre-Vamp nerf days or that the Sorc isn't an Emp than where Sorcs are shield stacking to achieve that.

ThisOnePosts

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

ThisOnePosts

Sublime wrote: »

As you probably realized, the last patch contained a set that makes shields useles as only defensive tool. In that regard I'd like to encourage my fellow class-mates (not correlation intended, seriously) to produce and share ideas on how to successfully 1vX as 2.1 sorcerer.

To start it off I'd like to share an idea that I had some days ago:

I'm still going to use the triple shield combo as it still is really strong against anybody that doesn't use shieldbreaker.

Now to avoid shieldbreaker I have to either find a way to eat less light attacks or get more consistent heals.

As combat basically got slowed down by 50%, having 20k HP isn't that important anymore, which allows me to go for stam/magicka regen drinks.

......................

That's a quote from another thread (it's a long, theory-crafting post) but as you can see, the bolded part. They say: "triple shield combo is really strong against anybody that doesn't use shieldbreaker".

I have a Sorc. I know this to be true. Who are you fooling by trying to dismiss this? There it is, another Sorc actually admitting that it's very strong against anybody not using that set. If you keep trying to apply your shields while fighting someone using that set, all you are doing is wasting your magicka while they get to damage you, AS INTENDED. So... BATTLE IT OUT. Like PVP is supposed to. Oh, shield breaker??? Don't spam your triple shields, simple. If your setup is entirely for the purpose of relying on that, you can't expect a 100% fool-proof system. Let's say 10% of all players start using shield breaker (which is a very high number atm), that would mean against 90% of the player base you'll have a severe advantage, if let's say all skills are equal (player skills). Do you really think that it's not ridiculous? And you cry that a very small percent of the player base can keep you from doing the same routine you will do versus every single person? Every class has to mix it up depending on who they are fighting, why should 1 class have an exception? And yes I know you can shield stack on Temps/DKs but on a Sorc you can do it on a whole other level especially since most are running resto on at least one of their bars and getting that third shield + healing.

Angarato

Force-Siphon wrote: »

To me when fighting someone with shield breaker sometimes the best defense is good offense...as in putting pressure on them and dictating the terms of the fight where you make it as hard as possible for them to just sit there and light attack you. This is easier said then done and we will all get plenty of practice I'm sure...but I don't feel like just trying to heal through the dmg with numerous heals is always going to be the trick...

Also I feel like we don't have a grasp yet of how many people are even going to run this set...I can see stam NBs running it but it seems the stam meta might be going toward heavy armor with black rose for example. ATM I don't think many DKs are running it bc there are heavy armor builds that provide tankiness with good burst (sribes' build for example seems to be part of the early meta). Again who knows how this will shape out.

I've found that while trying to figure out builds, Sorc still offers great potential because of the class utility. Potential to me is the key word and I hope Sorc becomes less of a fotm roll that someone makes for instant god mode and more of a roll that someone makes because they see it as a skilled craft that takes dedication and experience to master. With this update if I wanna just run around 3 shot bursting I'm not going to roll Sorc and I think that speaks to a move toward more balance.

Also: 10/10 on the death recap shield breaker icon, I lol'd when I saw it.

this. alot of sorcs just kinda stand there and let me hit them without defending themselves in any way. they die to shieldbreaker. but i fought this 1 sorc with 20k health and i couldnt hurt him. he was very mobile and did a fuckton of damage putting me on the defensive barely giving me a chance to attack him. offense is the best defense for a sorc as far as my experience.

rfennell_ESO

For the most part you have to make the decision to go shield breaker and be only at the advantage versus shield stackers and be weaker versus everyone else than you could be.

Of course the real problem was infinite magicka due to crazy regen and CP's.

So ZOS came up with a solution, but it really wasn't the right one.

I didn't think shields were going to be the problem they ended up being, but overall they ended up being a pretty big problem as it created a defensive powerhouse with great offensive capability with nearly unlimited escapability. The solutions gave a weakness to shield stacking for only those wearing the medium armor shield breaker set and curtailed (somewhat) the unlimited escapability issue.

The flaw to these threads is they pretend sorcerer's weren't a problem and only focus on trying to nerf shieldbreaker.

Overall I guess they could have stopped magicka regen while shields were active... or made shields double in cost for every shield currently active.

Tankqull

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

ThisOnePosts

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

For the most part you have to make the decision to go shield breaker and be only at the advantage versus shield stackers and be weaker versus everyone else than you could be.

Of course the real problem was infinite magicka due to crazy regen and CP's.

So ZOS came up with a solution, but it really wasn't the right one.

I didn't think shields were going to be the problem they ended up being, but overall they ended up being a pretty big problem as it created a defensive powerhouse with great offensive capability with nearly unlimited escapability. The solutions gave a weakness to shield stacking for only those wearing the medium armor shield breaker set and curtailed (somewhat) the unlimited escapability issue.

The flaw to these threads is they pretend sorcerer's weren't a problem and only focus on trying to nerf shieldbreaker.

Overall I guess they could have stopped magicka regen while shields were active... or made shields double in cost for every shield currently active.

Having only 1 shield at a time would be more appropriate along with the no or half regen. Can't regen stamina while blocking, why 100% magicka regen when using a shield? Both are defensive.

Regardless, I think it's a good step forward to at least have a set that can counter it, although as you said... people need to decide if they are going to want to setup specifically to counter those that shield stack at the cost of all of the other bonuses that are out there. Really it's like a new role in PVP, shield-breaking. Keeping one in the group (if you're in a group) to focus on shield-stackers just like healers, tanks, etc.. although not all PVP groups look for "roles", but I notice in IC people asking specifically for such roles in their groups in Zone chat so apparently with PVE/PVP both being in the same area in IC, it's becoming more of a thing. Although having a healer is always a plus whether in regular Cyrodiil or Imperial City.

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
[...]

I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

Angarato

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

wow @ the video. thats insane. they didnt even dent his hp. he wasnt doing anything skilled. he didnt even have to dodge or do anything. just run around and dps. so glad this set exists now.

ToRelax

Angarato wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

wow @ the video. thats insane. they didnt even dent his hp. he wasnt doing anything skilled. he didnt even have to dodge or do anything. just run around and dps. so glad this set exists now.

There was not a single max level enemy in that video. ffs

Tankqull

ToRelax wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

wow @ the video. thats insane. they didnt even dent his hp. he wasnt doing anything skilled. he didnt even have to dodge or do anything. just run around and dps. so glad this set exists now.

There was not a single max level enemy in that video. ffs

6 players were able to attack him 6 times within a 50+sec timeframe thats 1attack per minute for each of them - these players are awesomely good. they will probbably die to a crab...

ThisOnePosts

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
[...]

I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

I know exactly what a good player is, we game daily. If I could make a list by names I would, however we know that's not permissible and don't start acting like it's rare.. there are a lot more good players than you think, sure there are plenty who are clueless but I know a pretty average Sorc that shield stacks that takes on some of the most popular leader board names. You can find some videos if you go search Youtube.

That doesn't change the topic however, the topic is about shield breaker vs shield stacking and shield stacking is viable in many more ways than shield breaker. Shield breaker has 1 purpose for it's 5 pcs bonus, shield stacking goes a veryyyyyyyyyy long way and becomes ridiculous.

Tankqull

ViciousWayz wrote: »

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

just watched the first clip of that vid - so you are basing your conclusion that shields stacking is overpowered on total incompetence (1. vid) and 4 sorcs beeing unable to kill another sorc [1. clip second vid]. [beside the issue that it seems he is actually cheating using the overload exploit inflating his mana and recieving aditional buffs(3x shields+ 5x attacks+ BE+mines+2x magelight = 12 that doesent fit...]

hmm for me its a only indicating that player skill(experience) actually matters alot more than most people think...

and before you might start to assume otherwise - i´m totaly agreeing that shield stacking needs to be addressed but this defensefuc.ker set is not the proper solution.

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

ThisOnePosts

Tankqull wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

wow @ the video. thats insane. they didnt even dent his hp. he wasnt doing anything skilled. he didnt even have to dodge or do anything. just run around and dps. so glad this set exists now.

There was not a single max level enemy in that video. ffs

6 players were able to attack him 6 times within a 50+sec timeframe thats 1attack per minute for each of them - these players are awesomely good. they will probbably die to a crab...

Oh, so in some threads we have people complaining about lower levels killing them because of the buff they get, but then here that doesn't apply... also what level is this guy? Oh, that's right.. assumptions. Regardless, NOT A SINGLE GOOD DENT INTO HIS HEALTH. 1x per minute? You must've watched the video in slow-mo

ThisOnePosts

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

just watched the first clip of that vid - so you are basing your conclusion that shields stacking is overpowered on total incompetence (1. vid) and 4 sorcs beeing unable to kill another sorc.

hmm for me its a only indicating that player skill(experience) actually matters alot more than most people think...

and before you might start to assume otherwise - i´m totaly agreeing that shield stacking needs to be addressed but this defensefuc.ker set is not the proper solution.

There's the same few names that keep defending shield stacking as if it's their only way to get a kill. It's a sadder situation than I thought.

I'm basing it off of many things. For starters, I HAVE A SORC. I'VE TRIED SHIELD STACKING. I can mop the floor with players in almost every 1vX situation unless we are talking a zerg I can usually get out of there and sometimes get some strays to follow me and take them on away from the zerg. I don't do it anymore, I've tested it plenty as I wanted to see what it was all about. I get it, you like having an easy mode. However, it wasn't long ago Sorcs crying nerf for DKs, etc... the circle goes round and round. Now Sorcs are crying because there's a counter to their 1 dimensional strategy: Relying on shield stacking.

Let's not state the obvious here. OF COURSE player skill matters, but YOU DON'T NEED THAT SKILL to shield stack. All you need to learn how to do is shield stack properly, then the rest is cake.

That IS the problem. A truly skilled player won't need to do this. So maybe there are fewer skilled sorcs than is expected, who knows. I know I sure as heck don't need to shield stack on my Sorc and I play fast & aggressively.

The bottomline is, shield stacking could've been severely nerfed, limited, etc... all ZOS did was put out a set to specifically counter that. Still 90%+ of the population is going to be lawn to be mowed for shield stackers unless they all zerg together. This set was the LEAST ZOS could do, they still need to add more options to counter it but the set is a start.

Signed,

Someone who plays a Sorc, Temp, NB, and DK

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

I am basing my opinions on what I see combined with my own experiences. I fought German on PTS during 2.0 and without trying to brag, I am a very good Sorc myself. I see the mistakes the enemies are doing in 1vX videos.

Compare that to your claim that shieldstacking would be as rediculous as vampirism once was. I have never seen a video of a shieldstacker who was fighting an enemy zerg solo and chatting meanwhile...

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
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I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

I know exactly what a good player is, we game daily. If I could make a list by names I would, however we know that's not permissible and don't start acting like it's rare.. there are a lot more good players than you think, sure there are plenty who are clueless but I know a pretty average Sorc that shield stacks that takes on some of the most popular leader board names. You can find some videos if you go search Youtube.

That doesn't change the topic however, the topic is about shield breaker vs shield stacking and shield stacking is viable in many more ways than shield breaker. Shield breaker has 1 purpose for it's 5 pcs bonus, shield stacking goes a veryyyyyyyyyy long way and becomes ridiculous.

LMAO, who cares for the leaderboard?
Bring me some of those "good" players for some duels, either on EU or on PTS if you're playing on NA.
Very curious what "good" means in your opinion, srsly.

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
[...]

I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

I know exactly what a good player is, we game daily. If I could make a list by names I would, however we know that's not permissible and don't start acting like it's rare.. there are a lot more good players than you think, sure there are plenty who are clueless but I know a pretty average Sorc that shield stacks that takes on some of the most popular leader board names. You can find some videos if you go search Youtube.

That doesn't change the topic however, the topic is about shield breaker vs shield stacking and shield stacking is viable in many more ways than shield breaker. Shield breaker has 1 purpose for it's 5 pcs bonus, shield stacking goes a veryyyyyyyyyy long way and becomes ridiculous.

LMAO, who cares for the leaderboard?
Bring me some of those "good" players for some duels, either on EU or on PTS if you're playing on NA.
Very curious what "good" means in your opinion, srsly.

For starters, I've never heard of you. LMAO @ PTS.... maybe EU has a shortage good players but NA has a reasonable amount. What do you consider "good"? Do you know that good is not great but better than average? But yes, feel free to come on NA live servers and experience the players we have. I'm sure there are some good players on EU, I just doubt you are one of them.

I'll be looking for your non-shield stacking montage however.

Edit: And yes leaderboard isn't always an indicator as we all know how that can be rigged or attained, however at least in NA, there are some consistencies with some of them... I can't speak for EU but I can for NA. Maybe you just all choose to Emp farm more than we do (although we've had our fair share of it, but not anywhere close to as much these days).

Tankqull

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Angarato wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

wow @ the video. thats insane. they didnt even dent his hp. he wasnt doing anything skilled. he didnt even have to dodge or do anything. just run around and dps. so glad this set exists now.

There was not a single max level enemy in that video. ffs

6 players were able to attack him 6 times within a 50+sec timeframe thats 1attack per minute for each of them - these players are awesomely good. they will probbably die to a crab...

Oh, so in some threads we have people complaining about lower levels killing them because of the buff they get, but then here that doesn't apply... also what level is this guy? Oh, that's right.. assumptions. Regardless, NOT A SINGLE GOOD DENT INTO HIS HEALTH. 1x per minute? You must've watched the video in slow-mo

you will never see me complain about battlelvled players - they are at best a nuisence but thats all as it takes longer to get rid of them due to their high health pools but because of their horrible offensive resources they are unable to get through my vigor.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

here is a bunch of DKs:
https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=1RLsVZX5Coir8weEg4TwAw#tbm=vid&q=ESO+DK+1vx

Templar(even more vids than sorcs^^ temps are cleary out of whack):
https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=1RLsVZX5Coir8weEg4TwAw#tbm=vid&q=ESO+templar+1vx

and NBs:
https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=1RLsVZX5Coir8weEg4TwAw#tbm=vid&q=ESO+NB+1vx


so what again was your point all 4 classes are capable of rocking the *** out of noobs who are needed in case of 1vsX as two or more good players whipe the floor with any opponents class.

Stikato

Hmm. So shield stackers are vulnerable to shield breaker. They don't like it.

Is there another counter to the max magicka shield stack build? Don't tell me to attack the stamina pool. Don't tell me to L2P. Don't tell me to just leave sorcs alone.

We all tried all of that *** for six months. Six months of you guys face tanking unholy amounts of dps.

Meanwhile, how many sorc forum superheroes have we had to see post 1vx vids of them exploiting with double mundus and overload bug? And there was only a smattering of criticism. None of you ever offered a real solution to the problem of shield stacking. And those damn exploiters only made the perception worse.

Now there is 1! set, that is suboptimal against literally everything else, and is only for medium armor users that counters shield stacking.

So you are pissed. What should you do?

Try attacking the stamina pool? Leave those with shield breaker alone? L2P?

I'm at a loss here.

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

I am basing my opinions on what I see combined with my own experiences. I fought German on PTS during 2.0 and without trying to brag, I am a very good Sorc myself. I see the mistakes the enemies are doing in 1vX videos.

Compare that to your claim that shieldstacking would be as rediculous as vampirism once was. I have never seen a video of a shieldstacker who was fighting an enemy zerg solo and chatting meanwhile...

No, comparing it to Vampirism is exactly right. Answer this, are you able to make your way into a zerg and get on out with maybe a kill or two without shield stacking? What about with?

Sure the batswarm thing was more intense when more noobs were present because they'd stand right in it, but that's a whole other issue. There is no standing in shields. It's you stacking them on yourself.

You are on here fighting really hard on behalf of shield stacking. It must be really your one dimension.

Pro tip: L2P without shield stacking or find a way to avoid shield breakers, because either ZOS is going to continue with making counters for things or they'll nerf shield stacking into the ground which hopefully isn't the case as no one likes nerfs. At least counters provide more initiative to play and adapt, becoming a better player. You choose instead to cling on to shield stacking being 100% viable instead of looking through unbiased eyes and seeing just how one-sided it is... now while non-shield breakers are still having a hard time with shield-stackers, shield stackers will have a battle on their hand with those geared to take them on. Stop the crying already, it's beginning to look desperate.