Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

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LOL @ people comparing Cloak to SHIELDS. Shields last longer, can be stacked, can be re-applied so many times for Magicka users..... MANY NBs are Stam, without Magicka food you can't cloak that much and such a waste to put points into CP just to reduce the cost of 1 ability that doesn't always work properly.

If you are fighting all of these enemies then all the sudden a shield breaker kills you while you have your shield up... what did you expect? 1 person is not meant to TAKE ON multiple players. The best way to do this is with shields, and shield stacking makes it ridiculous. Shield breaker is the counter, it's that simple. I don't know many people even interested in the set, a few sure but not many because it sacrifices the precious 5 pcs bonus and if people aren't spamming shields it's not going to do a single thing beyond provide 2-4 bonuses.

Many shield users are now running around in Phoenix... so that when they did they actually regain 16k health then do 8k area damage. Oh yeah, let's not talk about that set. I have no problem with any of the new, sets, I'm just pointing out that only shield spammers are affected by shield breaker. If you have so little health that you die before your shield is out, then time to put more points into health or stop standing still, change your tactics, etc... because I DO NOT have this issue on my Sorc, Temp, or DK.

There need to be MORE OPTIONS for removing/bypassing shields in such a way that it can efficiently deal with even the most extreme shield-stacking.

Detect pots, Magelight, etc... there are potions countering NBs and an invisibility potion that works longer, better, and grants a speed boost which makes Cloak look like an afterthought. Where are the anti-Bolt Escape potions? Where are the defuse Daedric mine methods??? Ah that's right,there are only counters and alternatives to NB skills in the form of potions available to all.

Quit crying. I've never supported NBs whining or Sorcs whining... I support a fair and balanced game. This is more fair and balanced than its ever been and now those who used to get easy kills, now have to earn them or become prey to someone better than them. Stop running in trying to take on groups of people because you have shields and healing.

My Sorc = a power house... WITHOUT shield stacking. I use 1 shield and that's not even always, sometimes as needed. Stop relying on cheesy methods and the shield breaker set won't even make a difference. It's specifically to counter people who abuse shields with endless magicka.

Shield stackers are still running rampant, they only flee now when it's someone with shield breaker. Some fight but most keep applying their shields like noobies,instead of realizing to stop it LOL. It's now literally, a L2P issue whether you like to hear that or not.

Cathexis

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LOL @ people comparing Cloak to SHIELDS. Shields last longer, can be stacked, can be re-applied so many times for Magicka users..... MANY NBs are Stam, without Magicka food you can't cloak that much and such a waste to put points into CP just to reduce the cost of 1 ability that doesn't always work properly.

If you are fighting all of these enemies then all the sudden a shield breaker kills you while you have your shield up... what did you expect? 1 person is not meant to TAKE ON multiple players. The best way to do this is with shields, and shield stacking makes it ridiculous. Shield breaker is the counter, it's that simple. I don't know many people even interested in the set, a few sure but not many because it sacrifices the precious 5 pcs bonus and if people aren't spamming shields it's not going to do a single thing beyond provide 2-4 bonuses.

Many shield users are now running around in Phoenix... so that when they did they actually regain 16k health then do 8k area damage. Oh yeah, let's not talk about that set. I have no problem with any of the new, sets, I'm just pointing out that only shield spammers are affected by shield breaker. If you have so little health that you die before your shield is out, then time to put more points into health or stop standing still, change your tactics, etc... because I DO NOT have this issue on my Sorc, Temp, or DK.

There need to be MORE OPTIONS for removing/bypassing shields in such a way that it can efficiently deal with even the most extreme shield-stacking.

Detect pots, Magelight, etc... there are potions countering NBs and an invisibility potion that works longer, better, and grants a speed boost which makes Cloak look like an afterthought. Where are the anti-Bolt Escape potions? Where are the defuse Daedric mine methods??? Ah that's right,there are only counters and alternatives to NB skills in the form of potions available to all.

Quit crying. I've never supported NBs whining or Sorcs whining... I support a fair and balanced game. This is more fair and balanced than its ever been and now those who used to get easy kills, now have to earn them or become prey to someone better than them. Stop running in trying to take on groups of people because you have shields and healing.

My Sorc = a power house... WITHOUT shield stacking. I use 1 shield and that's not even always, sometimes as needed. Stop relying on cheesy methods and the shield breaker set won't even make a difference. It's specifically to counter people who abuse shields with endless magicka.

Shield stackers are still running rampant, they only flee now when it's someone with shield breaker. Some fight but most keep applying their shields like noobies,instead of realizing to stop it LOL. It's now literally, a L2P issue whether you like to hear that or not.

(1) The reason bolt escape and cloak are comparable is not because of their differences, it is because of the one factor they have in common which is an easy out and instant tactical advantage.

(2) Saying magelight is a counter to stealth is and always has been a *** response. Caltrops is a substantially better counter and it costs far too much to cast.

(3) Players shouldn't have to pay out gold in pots every time they fight a nightblade.

(4) Cloak deserves the same nerf roll dodging and bolt got.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Cathexis wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LOL @ people comparing Cloak to SHIELDS. Shields last longer, can be stacked, can be re-applied so many times for Magicka users..... MANY NBs are Stam, without Magicka food you can't cloak that much and such a waste to put points into CP just to reduce the cost of 1 ability that doesn't always work properly.

If you are fighting all of these enemies then all the sudden a shield breaker kills you while you have your shield up... what did you expect? 1 person is not meant to TAKE ON multiple players. The best way to do this is with shields, and shield stacking makes it ridiculous. Shield breaker is the counter, it's that simple. I don't know many people even interested in the set, a few sure but not many because it sacrifices the precious 5 pcs bonus and if people aren't spamming shields it's not going to do a single thing beyond provide 2-4 bonuses.

Many shield users are now running around in Phoenix... so that when they did they actually regain 16k health then do 8k area damage. Oh yeah, let's not talk about that set. I have no problem with any of the new, sets, I'm just pointing out that only shield spammers are affected by shield breaker. If you have so little health that you die before your shield is out, then time to put more points into health or stop standing still, change your tactics, etc... because I DO NOT have this issue on my Sorc, Temp, or DK.

There need to be MORE OPTIONS for removing/bypassing shields in such a way that it can efficiently deal with even the most extreme shield-stacking.

Detect pots, Magelight, etc... there are potions countering NBs and an invisibility potion that works longer, better, and grants a speed boost which makes Cloak look like an afterthought. Where are the anti-Bolt Escape potions? Where are the defuse Daedric mine methods??? Ah that's right,there are only counters and alternatives to NB skills in the form of potions available to all.

Quit crying. I've never supported NBs whining or Sorcs whining... I support a fair and balanced game. This is more fair and balanced than its ever been and now those who used to get easy kills, now have to earn them or become prey to someone better than them. Stop running in trying to take on groups of people because you have shields and healing.

My Sorc = a power house... WITHOUT shield stacking. I use 1 shield and that's not even always, sometimes as needed. Stop relying on cheesy methods and the shield breaker set won't even make a difference. It's specifically to counter people who abuse shields with endless magicka.

Shield stackers are still running rampant, they only flee now when it's someone with shield breaker. Some fight but most keep applying their shields like noobies,instead of realizing to stop it LOL. It's now literally, a L2P issue whether you like to hear that or not.

(1) The reason bolt escape and cloak are comparable is not because of their differences, it is because of the one factor they have in common which is an easy out and instant tactical advantage.

(2) Saying magelight is a counter to stealth is and always has been a *** response. Caltrops is a substantially better counter and it costs far too much to cast.

(3) Players shouldn't have to pay out gold in pots every time they fight a nightblade.

(4) Cloak deserves the same nerf roll dodging and bolt got.

(1)they are not comparable,one work all the time the other not since is counterable by many thing.(bolt is another possible counter to cloak)

(2)magelight is a counter and especially add 50% less dmg from stealth is amazing against NB (and some other stamina build)

(3)people have a choice to pay to get a near free kill,is not the only counter in game to cloak

(4)yeah sure as stamina NB i can cloak 3 time in a row at full magika since i need magika for skill like fear can't even 3 cloak in row sometime,roll dodge nerf/block nerf/stamina regen nerf yeah add another nerf to my defense.

Makkir

Masuimi wrote: »

CC + burst is a counter to shield stacking. Especially with how wonky the CC immunity timers are u can basically chain that ***.

Defensive Rune is friggen amazing

nordickittyhawk

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LOL @ people comparing Cloak to SHIELDS. Shields last longer, can be stacked, can be re-applied so many times for Magicka users..... MANY NBs are Stam, without Magicka food you can't cloak that much and such a waste to put points into CP just to reduce the cost of 1 ability that doesn't always work properly.

If you are fighting all of these enemies then all the sudden a shield breaker kills you while you have your shield up... what did you expect? 1 person is not meant to TAKE ON multiple players. The best way to do this is with shields, and shield stacking makes it ridiculous. Shield breaker is the counter, it's that simple. I don't know many people even interested in the set, a few sure but not many because it sacrifices the precious 5 pcs bonus and if people aren't spamming shields it's not going to do a single thing beyond provide 2-4 bonuses.

Many shield users are now running around in Phoenix... so that when they did they actually regain 16k health then do 8k area damage. Oh yeah, let's not talk about that set. I have no problem with any of the new, sets, I'm just pointing out that only shield spammers are affected by shield breaker. If you have so little health that you die before your shield is out, then time to put more points into health or stop standing still, change your tactics, etc... because I DO NOT have this issue on my Sorc, Temp, or DK.

There need to be MORE OPTIONS for removing/bypassing shields in such a way that it can efficiently deal with even the most extreme shield-stacking.

Detect pots, Magelight, etc... there are potions countering NBs and an invisibility potion that works longer, better, and grants a speed boost which makes Cloak look like an afterthought. Where are the anti-Bolt Escape potions? Where are the defuse Daedric mine methods??? Ah that's right,there are only counters and alternatives to NB skills in the form of potions available to all.

Quit crying. I've never supported NBs whining or Sorcs whining... I support a fair and balanced game. This is more fair and balanced than its ever been and now those who used to get easy kills, now have to earn them or become prey to someone better than them. Stop running in trying to take on groups of people because you have shields and healing.

My Sorc = a power house... WITHOUT shield stacking. I use 1 shield and that's not even always, sometimes as needed. Stop relying on cheesy methods and the shield breaker set won't even make a difference. It's specifically to counter people who abuse shields with endless magicka.

Shield stackers are still running rampant, they only flee now when it's someone with shield breaker. Some fight but most keep applying their shields like noobies,instead of realizing to stop it LOL. It's now literally, a L2P issue whether you like to hear that or not.

(1) The reason bolt escape and cloak are comparable is not because of their differences, it is because of the one factor they have in common which is an easy out and instant tactical advantage.

(2) Saying magelight is a counter to stealth is and always has been a *** response. Caltrops is a substantially better counter and it costs far too much to cast.

(3) Players shouldn't have to pay out gold in pots every time they fight a nightblade.

(4) Cloak deserves the same nerf roll dodging and bolt got.

(1)they are not comparable,one work all the time the other not since is counterable by many thing.(bolt is another possible counter to cloak)

(2)magelight is a counter and especially add 50% less dmg from stealth is amazing against NB (and some other stamina build)

(3)people have a choice to pay to get a near free kill,is not the only counter in game to cloak

(4)yeah sure as stamina NB i can cloak 3 time in a row at full magika since i need magika for skill like fear can't even 3 cloak in row sometime,roll dodge nerf/block nerf/stamina regen nerf yeah add another nerf to my defense.

thank you.... ;-;

Sharee

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

why is the unresistable dmg not effected by the Cyrodiil dmg reduction

Because it was designed specifically for cyrodiil.

Most other player damage is designed to defeat PvE encounters, and those encounters are balanced around players having certain level of damage. This level of damage is however too high when players fight each other. Thus, cyrodiil damage reduction.

Shieldbreaker on the other hand wasn't designed to be used in PvE, and thus could have it's damage set directly to the desired PvP level, without the need to first set it high and subsequently reduce it.

Septimus_Magna

k2blader wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Its all most like a potion that counter your class oh wait its not

Imagine if there was an armor set with a 5-piece bonus that allowed the wearer to see cloaked NBs all the time.

Would you be so lackadaisical about it?

The light armor X-Ray Vision Set from Tel Var merchants:
2) increase max magicka
3) increase magicka regen
4) increase spell damage
5) allows you to see and attack sneaking players in a range of 28m

Tankqull

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LOL @ people comparing Cloak to SHIELDS. Shields last longer, can be stacked, can be re-applied so many times for Magicka users..... MANY NBs are Stam, without Magicka food you can't cloak that much and such a waste to put points into CP just to reduce the cost of 1 ability that doesn't always work properly.

If you are fighting all of these enemies then all the sudden a shield breaker kills you while you have your shield up... what did you expect? 1 person is not meant to TAKE ON multiple players. The best way to do this is with shields, and shield stacking makes it ridiculous. Shield breaker is the counter, it's that simple. I don't know many people even interested in the set, a few sure but not many because it sacrifices the precious 5 pcs bonus and if people aren't spamming shields it's not going to do a single thing beyond provide 2-4 bonuses.

Many shield users are now running around in Phoenix... so that when they did they actually regain 16k health then do 8k area damage. Oh yeah, let's not talk about that set. I have no problem with any of the new, sets, I'm just pointing out that only shield spammers are affected by shield breaker. If you have so little health that you die before your shield is out, then time to put more points into health or stop standing still, change your tactics, etc... because I DO NOT have this issue on my Sorc, Temp, or DK.

There need to be MORE OPTIONS for removing/bypassing shields in such a way that it can efficiently deal with even the most extreme shield-stacking.

Detect pots, Magelight, etc... there are potions countering NBs and an invisibility potion that works longer, better, and grants a speed boost which makes Cloak look like an afterthought. Where are the anti-Bolt Escape potions? Where are the defuse Daedric mine methods??? Ah that's right,there are only counters and alternatives to NB skills in the form of potions available to all.

Quit crying. I've never supported NBs whining or Sorcs whining... I support a fair and balanced game. This is more fair and balanced than its ever been and now those who used to get easy kills, now have to earn them or become prey to someone better than them. Stop running in trying to take on groups of people because you have shields and healing.

My Sorc = a power house... WITHOUT shield stacking. I use 1 shield and that's not even always, sometimes as needed. Stop relying on cheesy methods and the shield breaker set won't even make a difference. It's specifically to counter people who abuse shields with endless magicka.

Shield stackers are still running rampant, they only flee now when it's someone with shield breaker. Some fight but most keep applying their shields like noobies,instead of realizing to stop it LOL. It's now literally, a L2P issue whether you like to hear that or not.

well gimp yourself if you like to but dont believe its the only way to play a Stam-NB

Septimus_Magna

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

why is the unresistable dmg not effected by the Cyrodiil dmg reduction

Because it was designed specifically for cyrodiil.

Most other player damage is designed to defeat PvE encounters, and those encounters are balanced around players having certain level of damage. This level of damage is however too high when players fight each other. Thus, cyrodiil damage reduction.

Shieldbreaker on the other hand wasn't designed to be used in PvE, and thus could have it's damage set directly to the desired PvP level, without the need to first set it high and subsequently reduce it.

Let me get this straight, we have a huge 50% damage and healing reduction when it comes to mitigatable damage to reduce the TTK but there's no reduction for unresistable damage without cool down that does 8-10% direct health damage on each free light attack? 8-10% quite a lot if you see the speed at which you can produce light attacks.

Sharee

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

why is the unresistable dmg not effected by the Cyrodiil dmg reduction

Because it was designed specifically for cyrodiil.

Most other player damage is designed to defeat PvE encounters, and those encounters are balanced around players having certain level of damage. This level of damage is however too high when players fight each other. Thus, cyrodiil damage reduction.

Shieldbreaker on the other hand wasn't designed to be used in PvE, and thus could have it's damage set directly to the desired PvP level, without the need to first set it high and subsequently reduce it.

Let me get this straight, we have a huge 50% damage and healing reduction when it comes to mitigatable damage to reduce the TTK

Yes, because the huge damage reduction is applied to abilities which deal huge damage in the firstplace. Without the reduction, the TTK would be counted in milliseconds.

but there's no reduction for unresistable damage without cool down that does 8-10% direct health damage on each free light attack? 8-10% quite a lot if you see the speed at which you can produce light attacks.

There is no reduction because the damage was set directly to the desired value. 8-10% per attack means it will take 10-12 attacks to kill someone. 10-12 attacks take a lot of time, even when they are fast. You have time to react to the threat. Even without any reduction, the TTK is several seconds.

k2blader

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Its all most like a potion that counter your class oh wait its not

Imagine if there was an armor set with a 5-piece bonus that allowed the wearer to see cloaked NBs all the time.

Would you be so lackadaisical about it?

The light armor X-Ray Vision Set from Tel Var merchants:
2) increase max magicka
3) increase magicka regen
4) increase spell damage
5) allows you to see and attack sneaking players in a range of 28m

Yes please. lol

I still haven't seen one honest set-supporter address the major problems involving magicka builds essentially not being able to use Annulment and morphs, not being able to use the new Armor Master set, and not being able to help allies with Healing Ward.

Septimus_Magna

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

why is the unresistable dmg not effected by the Cyrodiil dmg reduction

Because it was designed specifically for cyrodiil.

Most other player damage is designed to defeat PvE encounters, and those encounters are balanced around players having certain level of damage. This level of damage is however too high when players fight each other. Thus, cyrodiil damage reduction.

Shieldbreaker on the other hand wasn't designed to be used in PvE, and thus could have it's damage set directly to the desired PvP level, without the need to first set it high and subsequently reduce it.

Let me get this straight, we have a huge 50% damage and healing reduction when it comes to mitigatable damage to reduce the TTK

Yes, because the huge damage reduction is applied to abilities which deal huge damage in the firstplace. Without the reduction, the TTK would be counted in milliseconds.

but there's no reduction for unresistable damage without cool down that does 8-10% direct health damage on each free light attack? 8-10% quite a lot if you see the speed at which you can produce light attacks.

There is no reduction because the damage was set directly to the desired value. 8-10% per attack means it will take 10-12 attacks to kill someone. 10-12 attacks take a lot of time, even when they are fast. You have time to react to the threat. Even without any reduction, the TTK is several seconds.

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair? The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce and an entire class has noting to mitigate it.

The damage effect of the shieldbreaker isnt an extra damage effect, its the main damage effect which is why this set needs to change. You dont see people firing meteors with Skoria every second, why should the shieldbreaker be any different?

BalticBlues

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair? The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce and an entire class has noting to mitigate it.

This is why Shield Break spammers will now defend this set with their life.
This is a ring set to rule them all who dare usings shields.

Sharee

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair?

It is not overpowered because that 4.2k damage (which by the way is very small DPS compared to typical PvP damage output) is only applied in a very specific case, one for which you have to use a specialized set, a set whose 5-piece bonus is useless outside of that case. It's a tradeoff for the set user - be strong in this case, weak in others.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce

A specialized attack specifically designed for one special scenario (and useless outside of that scenario) should be stronger in that scenario than anything else. Otherwise, why use it at all?

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The damage effect of the shieldbreaker isnt an extra damage effect, its the main damage effect which is why this set needs to change. You dont see people firing meteors with Skoria every second, why should the shieldbreaker be any different?

Because Skoria effect is universally useful, while shieldbreaker is only useful while the target has a shield.

Rylana

I still have yet to even see this set in my death recap.

Never died to it.

FriedEggSandwich

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair?

It is not overpowered because that 4.2k damage (which by the way is very small DPS compared to typical PvP damage output) is only applied in a very specific case, one for which you have to use a specialized set, a set whose 5-piece bonus is useless outside of that case. It's a tradeoff for the set user - be strong in this case, weak in others.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce

A specialized attack specifically designed for one special scenario (and useless outside of that scenario) should be stronger in that scenario than anything else. Otherwise, why use it at all?

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The damage effect of the shieldbreaker isnt an extra damage effect, its the main damage effect which is why this set needs to change. You dont see people firing meteors with Skoria every second, why should the shieldbreaker be any different?

Because Skoria effect is universally useful, while shieldbreaker is only useful while the target has a shield.

The 5 piece bonus is for a specific use, but set users aren't sacrificing as much as you make out because the 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses are awesome and useful in every situation. So stamina builds sacrifice one piece of armour to get the specialised 5 piece bonus that hard-counters a whole class. Such trade-off. If zos hadn't pigeon-holed sorcs into relying on a shield then sorcs probably wouldn't be so annoyed with this set right now. Having said that; I've been killed by it twice so I'm just pretending it doesn't exist right now.

Sharee

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair?

It is not overpowered because that 4.2k damage (which by the way is very small DPS compared to typical PvP damage output) is only applied in a very specific case, one for which you have to use a specialized set, a set whose 5-piece bonus is useless outside of that case. It's a tradeoff for the set user - be strong in this case, weak in others.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce

A specialized attack specifically designed for one special scenario (and useless outside of that scenario) should be stronger in that scenario than anything else. Otherwise, why use it at all?

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The damage effect of the shieldbreaker isnt an extra damage effect, its the main damage effect which is why this set needs to change. You dont see people firing meteors with Skoria every second, why should the shieldbreaker be any different?

Because Skoria effect is universally useful, while shieldbreaker is only useful while the target has a shield.

The 5 piece bonus is for a specific use, but set users aren't sacrificing as much as you make out because the 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses are awesome and useful in every situation. So stamina builds sacrifice one piece of armour to get the specialised 5 piece bonus that hard-counters a whole class. Such trade-off.

They are not sacrificing one piece of armor, they are sacrificing their 5 piece set bonus. And that's one hell of a sacrifice, considering the other sets have some pretty powerful 5-piece bonuses which are universally useful.

Septimus_Magna

BalticBlues wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair? The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce and an entire class has noting to mitigate it.

This is why Shield Break spammers will now defend this set with their life.
This is a ring set to rule them all who dare usings shields.

Yup, all in the name of "game balance" while only looking at it from their own standpoint.

I havent found a single person that has a v16 pvp sorc that doesnt think this set is OP

Sharee wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

If you compare it to damage abilities that are effected by the battle spirit its basically 4.2k unresistable damage per free light attack, how is that not overpowered, unbalanced and unfair?

It is not overpowered because that 4.2k damage (which by the way is very small DPS compared to typical PvP damage output) is only applied in a very specific case, one for which you have to use a specialized set, a set whose 5-piece bonus is useless outside of that case. It's a tradeoff for the set user - be strong in this case, weak in others.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fact that most shieldbreaker dont even use their damage abilities besides CCs while fighting says enough, just spam light attacks because those are stronger than anything else they can produce

A specialized attack specifically designed for one special scenario (and useless outside of that scenario) should be stronger in that scenario than anything else. Otherwise, why use it at all?

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The damage effect of the shieldbreaker isnt an extra damage effect, its the main damage effect which is why this set needs to change. You dont see people firing meteors with Skoria every second, why should the shieldbreaker be any different?

Because Skoria effect is universally useful, while shieldbreaker is only useful while the target has a shield.

Specialized situation? Oh please, every magicka build uses shields, it also works on blocking targets and you only have to sacrifice 1 gear slot because the 2-4pc boni are useful for stam dps builds in every situation.

Just like sneaking is the only form of mitigation for NBs, shields are the only form of mitigation for sorcs. How can a set be balanced if it punishes the only form of mitigation of an entire class which has not alternative way to defend themselves? Its not like sorcs have useful self-heals or defensive abilities.

Give me a 5 piece light armor set that does the same to sneaking enemies and I'll gladly take it.

BalticBlues

Reading about "sacrifice" here ... read about how Blazing Shields were sacrificed.

Shields as "Blazing Shield" have been nerfed into oblivion. On top of it, Shield Break spammers can now use shields against their owners, inverting this skill.

Sorc's pets already are useless in PVP. Shields now are not only useless but even dangerous.
Totally wasted skills like these are a real "sacrifice".

In terms of skill and balance, the game now is broken.
If this will be released on consoles, it could damage their good perspectives considerably.

zornyan

No one on consoles will care. I don't, shield stacking was a *** take pure and simple. It was easy mode for sorcerers.

Just to add

Light armor.got a 100% buff

You don't have to wear 7 light armor all the time, try using 2 heavy for extra mitigation.

Or you know, use heavy or medium armor? There are tons of viable endgame builds that use heavy instead of light. If you want to be a min/max kind of person that's your choice, but when ive seen heavy armor sorcerers doing endgame and pvp extremely well, it's hard to believe you when you say "we have to wear light armor"

Jaronking

You all are acting like this is a craftable Set or something not everyone will get it.its fine as is so calm down.

Also I found it crazy that I could burst a templar Healer but not a Sorc shields.

Sharee

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Just like sneaking is the only form of mitigation for NBs, shields are the only form of mitigation for sorcs. How can a set be balanced if it punishes the only form of mitigation of an entire class which has not alternative way to defend themselves? Its not like sorcs have useful self-heals or defensive abilities.

Give me a 5 piece light armor set that does the same to sneaking enemies and I'll gladly take it.

Sure, as soon as you give me a potion that will allow me to ignore your shields for 15 seconds.

Xeven

The set has max stamina, stamina regen, and weapon damage. It's really good, and its far, far easier to get than crafted gear. Why would any stamina user NOT use this set? Seriously?

This is the new meta. More and more people are using this set every day. I hate to say it but Magicka Sorc is dying fast. I doubt it will even be viable a month or two from now.

I really wish LA had another option. Id trade my ward for LA with MA mitigation and a magicka vigor morph in a hearbeat at this point.

Mark my words. Magicka Sorc will be dead in PvP in 4-8 weeks max. The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

BalticBlues

Xeven wrote: »

Mark my words. Magicka Sorc will be dead in PvP in 4-8 weeks max.

+1

My daughter already does not want to play her Magicka Sorc anymore because of all the NB's cloaking and shield breaking. She is only a casual player and asked me if she could change her class in a shrine to a NB now. Because the game does not support this yet, she will now probably quit ESO and move to another game instead of buying Orsinium as we planned to. This is how the Shield Breaker set kills a class and damages the commercial success of this game.

Sharee

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

Most of them are doing this,that's why they are crying

Xeven

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

My friends, can you please have a look at my post here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215648/a-smart-and-fair-solution-for-shield-stacking-and-shield-breaker-set-changes#latest with, i guess, some fair solutions for shield stacking and shield breaker set

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

Kobaal

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Talk about being spiteful. Good one.