Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

Waffennacht

I don't see it killing all sorcs, but it does effect all sorcs.

I'm against shieldbreaker because I would have much preferred a tweak to the mechanics than this. A mechanic change I have control over my playstyle and make adjustments.

This is completely dependent on my opponent removing any consistency on my part.

Im more theorizing here as no update for us yet, I can't wait to get my adjustments done.

ToRelax

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

The best sorcs who played sorc since launch and have always been good players created the builds that became fotm in 1.6... ._.

Xeven

I am a poor candidate to stand up for Sorc balance as you can see, I am one of the most hated Sorcs on Haderus.

Haters gon' hate.

I encourage all magicka sorcs to stand up and speak out before they kill this class.

Rylana

ToRelax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

The best sorcs who played sorc since launch and have always been good players created the builds that became fotm in 1.6... ._.

I cant help it if someone makes something good, a hundred others copy it and then use it themselves

What I do despise are the masses throwing a bitchfit when their toy they had no hand in creating, but rather they abused liberally while they could, is no longer alpha-class level.

So they make threads like this, crying foul because they never learned to play, they just copied someone else.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Xeven wrote: »

I am a poor candidate to stand up for Sorc balance as you can see, I am one of the most hated Sorcs on Haderus.

Haters gon' hate.

I encourage all magicka sorcs to stand up and speak out before they kill this class.

Sorc always scream this"X change" will be the death of the sorc class!!but for some reason they are always at the top im sure is because every sorc player is amazing.

The sky isn't falling not for sorc atleast

Xeven

Rylana wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

The best sorcs who played sorc since launch and have always been good players created the builds that became fotm in 1.6... ._.

I cant help it if someone makes something good, a hundred others copy it and then use it themselves

What I do despise are the masses throwing a bitchfit when their toy they had no hand in creating, but rather they abused liberally while they could, is no longer alpha-class level.

So they make threads like this, crying foul because they never learned to play, they just copied someone else.

Wtf are you talking about. Ive been around since the beginning of 1.5 and theorycrafted max magicka build.

In fact anyone with half a brain would come up with it on their own. This game is not that deep.

You are soooo mad lol. I love it. You dont even play sorc. You jumped on the bandwagon in 1.6.

BalticBlues

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc always scream this"X change" will be the death of the sorc class!!

I do not see Sorcs "screaming" in this forum, their criticism is very civil. However, when NBs answer to this criticism there are regularly personal attacks instead of arguments, involving "weeping", "screaming", "L2P" and so on. If ZOS would bring a similar Cloak Breaker set against NBs, this forum would burn. I do not play a Sorc, but I see the health of this game deteriorating because of the Shield Breaker set. On PC, the educated players will come here to discuss this. On console, many players will just silently quit. Is this totally unbalanced set really worth the risk? The SB set creates a much larger imbalance than it was meant to fix. This is like killing a patient suffering from a disease. ZOS, please rethink this set before it gets live on consoles.

rfennell_ESO

The SB issue is real, but it only requires a slight change in behavior for it not to be op versus you.

If you still think you can streak in and stand in melee and harass like you did pre-SB. Well with SB your chance of getting away are greatly diminished. The pre-SB mindset of sorc play is dead unless you are really careful now. Any bow user can plink you down with light attacks when you overextend.

It's certainly not just NB's using this set, In many ways a stamina DK will be an even bigger problem for you; particularly with reflective scales making your offense their offense.

Waffennacht

I willre post this here

Your light attack does damage to a shielded sorc... your abilities do damage to a non shielded sorc.

I do not understand how dealing more damage to a non shielded sorc doesn't help.

I really doubt snipe does less dmg than a light attack with SB.

Spam light attack with ward up, spam abilities when down. I don't understand how you would deal less damage with a shield being down.

I also love how the argument is, "this single set destroys all but the BEST sorcerers " so just having this armor set instantly puts you in the BEST category and you don't think that's OP?

Not like I can equip anything that suddenly destroys all but the BEST Nbs, or templars, or DKs.

Just by reading the pro SB posts I can tell its OP. Your build does not matter, any build with any setup can deal this damage. This alone is crazy. Oh your a tank DK, well don't worry about sorcs, just put this on! Oh you are a healer? Well just put this on and I guarantee only the BEST sorcs will give you troubles.

Completely illogical

ZOS_Tarina

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killingspreeb16_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc always scream this"X change" will be the death of the sorc class!!

I do not see Sorcs "screaming" in this forum, their criticism is very civil. However, when NBs answer to this criticism there are regularly personal attacks instead of arguments, involving "weeping", "screaming", "L2P" and so on. If ZOS would bring a similar Cloak Breaker set against NBs, this forum would burn. I do not play a Sorc, but I see the health of this game deteriorating because of the Shield Breaker set. On PC, the educated players will come here to discuss this. On console, many players will just silently quit. Is this totally unbalanced set really worth the risk? The SB set creates a much larger imbalance than it was meant to fix. This is like killing a patient suffering from a disease. ZOS, please rethink this set before it gets live on consoles.

Cloak breaker set when there are alredy some counter to cloak?where is is the counter to Shieldstacking?(if we remove this set)

and sorc are doing the same about L2P(look a this topic and some other about shieldbreaker)etc not just NB,open a thread about how DK are OP for you and every DK will say L2P nothign strange every class do it.

but i remeber in 1.6 some post about how 1.6 will kill the sorc(can't remeber well now maybe they were only for pve reason),even 1.7 i remeber a post about how nerf Bolt escape was the death of the sorc,and now this set is the death of the sorc class.

As i said alredy many time:this set need a change?yes but followed by a change to shieldstacking.

And how a cloak breaker set will work?im curious

Waffennacht

Im all for a tweak to shield stacking over this set. I would settle for a 1.5 sec cool down. I would settle for a max damge from SB set below 2k damage. I would settle for a reduced shield when stacking or increased cost or the new shield replaces old.

Everything I can work around, I cannot work around this set because its unknown in combat.

When (as a sorc) you get hit from something you did or do not see. You put up your shield because 1 you don't know what is hitting you, 2 your life is low 3 you don't have a self heal.

So now you get dropped of your horse and you aren't suppose to shield? Either way you are in a lose lose situation. You don't ward and they have a huge health advantage, you do ward and they spam the last amount of your health before you even know whats going on

Kobaal

ZOS_Tarina wrote: »

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I'm surprised it took 12 pages of QQ for this to appear.

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

The best sorcs who played sorc since launch and have always been good players created the builds that became fotm in 1.6... ._.

I cant help it if someone makes something good, a hundred others copy it and then use it themselves

What I do despise are the masses throwing a bitchfit when their toy they had no hand in creating, but rather they abused liberally while they could, is no longer alpha-class level.

So they make threads like this, crying foul because they never learned to play, they just copied someone else.

Wtf are you talking about. Ive been around since the beginning of 1.5 and theorycrafted max magicka build.

In fact anyone with half a brain would come up with it on their own. This game is not that deep.

You are soooo mad lol. I love it. You dont even play sorc. You jumped on the bandwagon in 1.6.

Yeah im pretty sure I didnt roll my EP sorc right at the end of Dawnbreaker 2.0 because some EP friends of mine recruited me over to that side or anything... you know, totally wasnt the first emp of Blackwater for EP, totally didnt play Sorc all through 1.3/1.4/1.5/1.6/2.0/and now 2.1 You got me all figured out man




I didnt start right at launch as a sorc, it was a char I rolled and then didnt play much until about 3 months into the game cause I was focusing on my Nightblade and DK. But I still to this day remember being V1 and fighting Ezareth as emperor on Haderus long before he took his long break from the game. Care to assume some more. Oh here, lets post a screencap of my first emp date. August 12 2014, over a year ago. Yeah, totally didnt start playing sorc til 1.6. gg

Kobaal

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

The best sorcs who played sorc since launch and have always been good players created the builds that became fotm in 1.6... ._.

I cant help it if someone makes something good, a hundred others copy it and then use it themselves

What I do despise are the masses throwing a bitchfit when their toy they had no hand in creating, but rather they abused liberally while they could, is no longer alpha-class level.

So they make threads like this, crying foul because they never learned to play, they just copied someone else.

Wtf are you talking about. Ive been around since the beginning of 1.5 and theorycrafted max magicka build.

In fact anyone with half a brain would come up with it on their own. This game is not that deep.

You are soooo mad lol. I love it. You dont even play sorc. You jumped on the bandwagon in 1.6.

Yeah im pretty sure I didnt roll my EP sorc right at the end of Dawnbreaker 2.0 because some EP friends of mine recruited me over to that side or anything... you know, totally wasnt the first emp of Blackwater for EP, totally didnt play Sorc all through 1.3/1.4/1.5/1.6/2.0/and now 2.1 You got me all figured out man




I didnt start right at launch as a sorc, it was a char I rolled and then didnt play much until about 3 months into the game cause I was focusing on my Nightblade and DK. But I still to this day remember being V1 and fighting Ezareth as emperor on Haderus long before he took his long break from the game. Care to assume some more. Oh here, lets post a screencap of my first emp date. August 12 2014, over a year ago. Yeah, totally didnt start playing sorc til 1.6. gg

Rylana

BalticBlues wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc always scream this"X change" will be the death of the sorc class!!

I do not see Sorcs "screaming" in this forum, their criticism is very civil. However, when NBs answer to this criticism there are regularly personal attacks instead of arguments, involving "weeping", "screaming", "L2P" and so on. If ZOS would bring a similar Cloak Breaker set against NBs, this forum would burn. I do not play a Sorc, but I see the health of this game deteriorating because of the Shield Breaker set. On PC, the educated players will come here to discuss this. On console, many players will just silently quit. Is this totally unbalanced set really worth the risk? The SB set creates a much larger imbalance than it was meant to fix. This is like killing a patient suffering from a disease. ZOS, please rethink this set before it gets live on consoles.

Pretty much this. Ive been through the nerf-wringer too many times to count. About 10 nerfs to DK, six or seven to sorc... but hey my nightblade just keeps on getting buffed up.

Magicka nightblade is a complete joke right now, 12 second detection potions vs virtually unlimited recloaking = LOL, throw on a healing ward and good luck dying as one unless youre really stupid or try to push your limits too far.

Ive chosen to stay stamblade in 2.1, mostly because ive always been a stamblade and hate FOTM shifting, still very strong, but tends to die in situations where a magicka nightblade would just lolcloak and spam heals and live to fight another day. At least the damage is balanced for both flavors, but survival strongly favors magicka now.

Xeven

Can we kill this BS Rylana? You made up some **** about me, about double mundus and rage tells that just aren't true. You don't know anything about me exept I'm annoying as **** on the battlefield. You must have me confused. I am Xevenex. Also former solo Emperor. Also a Sorc. Really, what is the point? Leave it on the battlefield. Take it out on me there.

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Can we kill this BS Rylana? You made up some *** about me, about double mundus and rage tells that just aren't true. You must have me confused. I am Xevenex. Also former solo Emperor. Also a Sorc. Really, what is the point? Leave it on the battlefield. Take it out on me there.

I know exactly who you are, which is why when you came up in this thread and attacked me you opened a can of worms, because youre a typical fotm shieldstack sorc with low damage, all sustain, and go into the category i call 'troll bolters" that are rarely if ever a real threat.

I also remember quite vividly a few of my guildmates saying you were angry you died and were challenging people to duels all of the time as an unkillable fotm stacksustain spec. Just shows the kind of player you are, have all the i-win, hope and pray the person that actually is dumb enough to chase you cant survive your weak curse spam. You claimed to have killed me over and over, and youve never killed me dude, not even once. In fact my killcounter doesnt even show your name in it (kills or killed), because youve always ran away from me and i got bored of chasing you all over.

I get it you dont like your toy being broken because you cant just annoy someone from range and bolt away all day, and a ranged bow spammer could actually hurt you now, but lets be real about it, you had/have no business whatsoever calling me bad or uninformed about the class that has become my main over the last year.

Xeven

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Can we kill this BS Rylana? You made up some *** about me, about double mundus and rage tells that just aren't true. You must have me confused. I am Xevenex. Also former solo Emperor. Also a Sorc. Really, what is the point? Leave it on the battlefield. Take it out on me there.

I know exactly who you are, which is why when you came up in this thread and attacked me you opened a can of worms, because youre a typical fotm shieldstack sorc with low damage, all sustain, and go into the category i call 'troll bolters" that are rarely if ever a real threat.

I get it you dont like your toy being broken because you cant just annoy someone from range and bolt away all day, and a ranged bow spammer could actually hurt you now, but lets be real about it, you had/have no business whatsoever calling me bad or uninformed about the class that has become my main over the last year.

That's funny because I didn't remember you until I saw your sig, and the names rang a bell. If you want to continue this we can.

I remember killing you over, and over, and over, in 1.6. You would rage and send tells about how terrible I was ect ect. I remember you clearly now. You hate me because I am better than you are. That is the truth of it.

And for the record. I do not stack, never have. Don't even have harness on my bar, and only used healing ward for, well, heals.

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Can we kill this BS Rylana? You made up some *** about me, about double mundus and rage tells that just aren't true. You must have me confused. I am Xevenex. Also former solo Emperor. Also a Sorc. Really, what is the point? Leave it on the battlefield. Take it out on me there.

I know exactly who you are, which is why when you came up in this thread and attacked me you opened a can of worms, because youre a typical fotm shieldstack sorc with low damage, all sustain, and go into the category i call 'troll bolters" that are rarely if ever a real threat.

I get it you dont like your toy being broken because you cant just annoy someone from range and bolt away all day, and a ranged bow spammer could actually hurt you now, but lets be real about it, you had/have no business whatsoever calling me bad or uninformed about the class that has become my main over the last year.

That's funny because I didn't remember you until I saw your sig, and the names rang a bell. If you want to continue this we can.

I remember killing you over, and over, and over, in 1.6. You would rage and send tells about how terrible I was ect ect. I remember you clearly now. You hate me because I am better than you are. That is the truth of it.

And for the record. I do not stack, never have. Don't even have harness on my bar, and only used healing ward for, well, heals.

Keep deluding yourself to try to save face man, thus far ive posted proof of my claims, now post yours. Otherwise its just bluster.

Also, ive never spoken to you in game.

Xeven

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Can we kill this BS Rylana? You made up some *** about me, about double mundus and rage tells that just aren't true. You must have me confused. I am Xevenex. Also former solo Emperor. Also a Sorc. Really, what is the point? Leave it on the battlefield. Take it out on me there.

I know exactly who you are, which is why when you came up in this thread and attacked me you opened a can of worms, because youre a typical fotm shieldstack sorc with low damage, all sustain, and go into the category i call 'troll bolters" that are rarely if ever a real threat.

I get it you dont like your toy being broken because you cant just annoy someone from range and bolt away all day, and a ranged bow spammer could actually hurt you now, but lets be real about it, you had/have no business whatsoever calling me bad or uninformed about the class that has become my main over the last year.

That's funny because I didn't remember you until I saw your sig, and the names rang a bell. If you want to continue this we can.

I remember killing you over, and over, and over, in 1.6. You would rage and send tells about how terrible I was ect ect. I remember you clearly now. You hate me because I am better than you are. That is the truth of it.

And for the record. I do not stack, never have. Don't even have harness on my bar, and only used healing ward for, well, heals.

Keep deluding yourself to try to save face man, thus far ive posted proof of my claims, now post yours. Otherwise its just bluster.

Also, ive never spoken to you in game.

Proof of what? That you're a Sorc? You havent proven any of your claims against me. I do seek 1v1 all the time. If someone talks trash, I will invite them to 1v1. Also, for the record, I'm calling you out. Lets do it. 1v1?

Waffennacht

Hey guys, im assuming you both know how to play.

We are all in this together (esp sorcs)

We want balance to the game. To assume that (even if a noob) their opinion doesn't matter is silly.

Imagine... no SB... this all would've been avoided lol.

I was getting pretty annoyed by some posts though. The arrogance of some rub me the wrong way, time to let it go.

ZOS_Racheal

Greetings everyone,

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Kobaal

ZOS_Racheal wrote: »

Greetings everyone,

We have removed several recent comments from this thread for spamming and derailing content. Please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums.

Star trek facepalms got removed but the 2 people bashing each other over multiple pages is not considered derailing lol.

Those facepalms where the only thing bringing humor to this thread and keeping it from imploding!

Derra

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

So which burstheal do non templar healers have access too apart from healing ward? - Would you mind enlightening me? Because you need a burstheal with smarthealing to outheal some of the incoming dmg in pvp.

Don´t dare telling me blessing of restoration. A heal that critheals less than a templars BOL noncrit while also not being a smartheal but a cone (thats useless when rooted and influenced by line of sight) does not meet the requirements.

Here's an idea. Look at the Resto Staff skill line, there's a few other options for ya right in front of your eyes when you're healing. I never said burst heals. But given nothing takes away from Magicka (like sprinting, blocking, etc..) except magicka abilities, as well as the vast amount of ways to get your Magicka and Magicka Recovery to ridiculous levels... not to mention lowering the costs, etc.. with CP... you'll be able to spam heals on people. A group of 4 of us took down a district boss earlier with such a healer. FOUR OF US. No one using shields. We had 2 sorcs and 2 nbs in our group, and no the sorcs weren't shield stacking. I don't primarily heal, I find it a bit too relaxed for my taste but I know there are some great healers on these forums who can give you some tips on healing if all you do is make a post and ask (or if you get lucky and they see your post here).

If you are trying to match the healing of a Templar, then make a Templar. Templar's can't match a Sorc's quick escape, can they? No, they can't.

Dude you´re so full of yourself. I´ve asked about pvp. Healing IN PVP AS I STATED IN MY POST as a non templar was not even close to a templar before the healing ward nerf and shieldbreaker. Now i´m still waiting for you to show me an option to do so on my sorc bc i see none vaible currently.
I´ve played the main healer in a small grp for all of 1.6. So i know what i´m talking about. You stated you do not. So thanks for your opinion but you´re clearly a jon snow kinda guy in this case.

IF YOU NEED HEALING WARD TO BE A COMPETENT HEALER, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. I said I'm not a healer.. however I am in GROUPS WITH healers all the time and RARELY do I see one of them spamming shields on me...especially in PVP. Maybe you should go check a beginner's guide for healing, since apparently we all know when we get buffed with shields and many others seem to be doing it, why can't you???????? WHY CAN I FIGURE OUT MY DPS, BUT YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT YOUR HEALING?

CAPS.... just in case you had a hard time reading again.

You can't heal a grp of 4 that does not stack on crown without a smart burstheal in high pressure situations - this is BOL for templarsand was healing ward for non templars. You have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe you don't even realize the healers in your grp were templars or you were running around with 20 ppl stacking on crown where springs and blessing are vaible heals...
Who knows - all I know is you have absolutely not even the slightest idea what I'm talking about but continue in giving out advice on a topic you don't understand. Thanks for nothing stranger.

Kova

I experienced the fury of the Shield Breaker set yesterday. On its own, it just doesn't cut it against a good sorc. However, it works so well with hard hitting stamina builds. Weaving a heavy attack into a WB has never been more deadly than with this set. Anyone running a regen build that has under 18k shields will feel the might of the three hit executioner combo once again.

This is fine, I believe. The problem begins with group play. I actually had an enemy group get killed several times while not using shield breaker. A few minutes of their absence and the group returns, but this time I see multiple instances of shield breaker in my death recap. At first, I felt honored to have agitated someone so much that they built themselves specifically for me. ^.^ After a couple of rounds and deaths to the set I realized that this issue was with me. I chose to fight the shield breakers, despite the odds.

I can work with this set, but I refuse to acknowledge an entire group using the phoenix set as being skilled. Seeing a small zerg wiped out, only to return to glory in a burst of flames really disheartens the solo player.

Xeniph

I particularly enjoyed the mention this set got on todays ESO live. Mostly the part where they said they have no intention of changing it, even with all the outrage.

LegacyDM

Who cares about sorcs. Shield breaker is OP against magicka nightblades. Magicka NBs have no class heal (save funnel/swallow which is useless heal in pvp), no class shield, and their o-**** skill "cloak" can be countered or mitigated in over a half a dozen different ways compared to all other class o-**** skills. As a magicka NB I have to rely on resto healing ward for healing and annulment for shields. If I'm in a fight against someone rocking shield breaker there is absolutely no defense for a magicka NB using resto staff other than cloak away and or line of site and hope I'm not caught. A magicka NB cannot nearly shield stack as effectively as a sorcs and cannot easily just zip zip zip away when things get rough. This set needs to be toned down. Everyone is so focused on how this set effects sorcs but no one has stopped to think how it so easily cripples a magicka NB relying on resto for protection.

CP5

Xeniph wrote: »

I particularly enjoyed the mention this set got on todays ESO live. Mostly the part where they said they have no intention of changing it, even with all the outrage.

Was very interested in that part. I didn't watch from the start but joined the stream as they said that. I waited until I saw the whole show, have to say that is kind of funny how they underplayed the set.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Who cares about sorcs. Shield breaker is OP against magicka nightblades. Magicka NBs have no class heal (save funnel/swallow which is useless heal in pvp), no class shield, and their o-**** skill "cloak" can be countered or mitigated in over a half a dozen different ways compared to all other class o-**** skills. As a magicka NB I have to rely on resto healing ward for healing and annulment for shields. If I'm in a fight against someone rocking shield breaker there is absolutely no defense for a magicka NB using resto staff other than cloak away and or line of site and hope I'm not caught. A magicka NB cannot nearly shield stack as effectively as a sorcs and cannot easily just zip zip zip away when things get rough. This set needs to be toned down. Everyone is so focused on how this set effects sorcs but no one has stopped to think how it so easily cripples a magicka NB relying on resto for protection.

Pfft no, this set is totally for anti sorc purposes. Didn't you see the show today? Its for niche builds only and will be "rare" because of it. It in no way impacts others in a heavy handed manner. Not at all.

Wollust

I don't really get why sorcs are whining about having no sort of defense? You can go heavy armor like DKs and Templars to mitigate more damage, you can go sword and shield to block more often (even though block took a massive nerf -> do you hear Magicka DKs and others whine about it as much as you do with 1 single set?). You can choose other heals from the resto staff like the classes with no proper self heal do now (basically all but Templars).

But no, you choose to whine. You want to keep the luxury from 1.6, being a full glasscannon, hitting like a truck and only and succesfully relying on your shields. I admit it myself, when I played with my sorc, i really enjoyed it. Everything was so much easier compared to all the other classes (except for Stam NB, personal opinion).
But hey.. it's 1.7 and everyone has to adapt.
I see people justifing it with "there is no stealth detection set". Wth? Go use Magelight, costs you 1 slot (2 if you are to lazy to reactivate it after a weaponswap) and a bit max magicka and the NBs can wrap their cloak up. I'd buy a shieldbreaking skill anytime over an unflexible 5-piece-set that leaves me with nothing but 4 slots for those meh-crafted sets.

You guys do realize that it is the constant QQ about anything and everything that has lead to the s*** IC brought to pvp? But just keep on doing so, ZOS will cater to you guys in the end and will keep on ruining this game.