Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

CP5

zornyan wrote: »

How about think about what the game is designed around, pve is questing, or fighting world bosses / dolmens, or endgame is trials vdsa etc.

Does shieldbraker effect you there? Nope.

Does the dodge/blocking nerf effect other classes there? Yes.

Pvp is designed around large scale battles, or small mobile groups, everything about pvp is designed around group combat, ic supports smaller groups, cyro supports large groups.

So a sorcerer, by definition, shouldn't be able to repeatedly cast Shields and live forever, they are supposed to be support / dps, not a tank in clothes taking more damage than a sword and board heavy wearing tank.

The idea is that a sorcerer stays with a small group, even just another player, that can tank damage and keep the enemy occupied, so that's what you've got to do.

I'm sorry but every class had a weakness, if you choose to wear clothes instead of armor you should die quickly, you shouldn't be able to sit at the front of a group of enemies, spamming Shields for eternity.

Hell even in bwb pvp on ps4 there's people spamming Shields, the number of sorcerers is insane, it took 4 of us spamming wrecking blow to remove one sorcerer that sat there stacking shields for eternity.

So basically this set isn't a problem because it only impacts players in pvp, and you feel anyone solo in pvp should get mowed down by groups. The game has already shifted and is 'encouraging' larger and larger groups, and the few times i've had 1v1's or small scale battles so far in pvp have been greatly outnumbered by the boring zerg fest. Skill is less and less of a thing, and now its more of a numbers game than before, and I don't think that is enjoyable at all. Also forcing a class into only one role because their main defense mechanic is now suicidal to use is another poorly thought out idea.

zornyan

I didn't say zergs, but none of cyrodlil is meant to be played solo, keeps/outposts resources are meant to be taken with a group, scrolls are meant to be taken with a group, crowning an emperor requires a group.

See my point? No single pvp objective is meant to be solo's, it's group play, why should a sorcerer be able to stack Shields forever, whilst dishing out 20k crystal frags?

When my heavy armor templar could only hope to block/heal in the same situation.

BalticBlues

zornyan wrote: »

See my point? No single pvp objective is meant to be solo's, it's group play

When a Sorc or Templar now casts a shield around wounded players in the group,
the wounded are not better protected anymore but killed even faster by Shield Breakers.

Instead of protection shields now are a death risk.
The Shield Breaker set puts the game upside down.

ThisOnePosts

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

You made some assumptions about the players in the video you posted too. You're losing credibility. As for the last video; look how quickly his shields drop though, think about how easy it would have been for one or more of them to finish him off with a cc damage combo while his shield was at its lowest. Take a player who has made it to the high ranks of moon and stars and throw them in with sub v14 veterans and lieutenants and this will happen.

Nah. I also asked about the player and why people are assuming he's better than opponents so what you're saying is invalid, my point is it works both ways not just only for the sake of your argument.

Yes let's look at the 2nd video. The moment ALL of those people get his shield down it pops back up. There is no way that fight could be done without shield-stacking for him. He exploited it to the furthest extent. You may consider it a feature, but as you can tell plenty consider it an exploit or really treading in the grey area of exploits. Instead of nerfing shields into the ground, ZOS made a counter and people complain about that? Just wait until these threads continue and they nerf shields into the ground... then there will be all the "I quit threads" from the same few LOLOL

ThisOnePosts

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.

That guy was also the worst case scenario with shield stacking and was banned. I know the claim was it was because of a name, but we all know ZOS doesn't ban for names and that's a pretty shaky story. I think every thread he ever made and every comment he ever made was also expunged from the forums.

There are plenty of them and guess what??? Every single person can hop on their Sorc and do that right now and it seems it's caught wind with the lazy and so many are doing it. Look at how defensive some people are in this thread over it lol. It's as if their entire skills depend on it. How sad.

ThisOnePosts

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

This thread is golden, pls don't stop. The only tears I shed are of joy right now, but please continue, it's too awesome.

Oh yep I'm sure. I already imagine you were raging at the screen as your shield stacking didn't hold up against someone earlier and so you turned to the forums. LOL

Actually I've not been playing today at all and yesterday I was theorycrafting a DK build.

But to get this going again, aka on topic:

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
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I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

I know exactly what a good player is, we game daily. If I could make a list by names I would, however we know that's not permissible and don't start acting like it's rare.. there are a lot more good players than you think, sure there are plenty who are clueless but I know a pretty average Sorc that shield stacks that takes on some of the most popular leader board names. You can find some videos if you go search Youtube.

That doesn't change the topic however, the topic is about shield breaker vs shield stacking and shield stacking is viable in many more ways than shield breaker. Shield breaker has 1 purpose for it's 5 pcs bonus, shield stacking goes a veryyyyyyyyyy long way and becomes ridiculous.

LMAO, who cares for the leaderboard?
Bring me some of those "good" players for some duels, either on EU or on PTS if you're playing on NA.
Very curious what "good" means in your opinion, srsly.

For starters, I've never heard of you. LMAO @ PTS.... maybe EU has a shortage good players but NA has a reasonable amount. What do you consider "good"? Do you know that good is not great but better than average? But yes, feel free to come on NA live servers and experience the players we have. I'm sure there are some good players on EU, I just doubt you are one of them.

I'll be looking for your non-shield stacking montage however.

Edit: And yes leaderboard isn't always an indicator as we all know how that can be rigged or attained, however at least in NA, there are some consistencies with some of them... I can't speak for EU but I can for NA. Maybe you just all choose to Emp farm more than we do (although we've had our fair share of it, but not anywhere close to as much these days).

So you are not coming to fight me and just assume I'm not as good as I pretend, despite me being the only one willing to prove it?

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

I am basing my opinions on what I see combined with my own experiences. I fought German on PTS during 2.0 and without trying to brag, I am a very good Sorc myself. I see the mistakes the enemies are doing in 1vX videos.

Compare that to your claim that shieldstacking would be as rediculous as vampirism once was. I have never seen a video of a shieldstacker who was fighting an enemy zerg solo and chatting meanwhile...

No, comparing it to Vampirism is exactly right. Answer this, are you able to make your way into a zerg and get on out with maybe a kill or two without shield stacking? What about with?

Sure the batswarm thing was more intense when more noobs were present because they'd stand right in it, but that's a whole other issue. There is no standing in shields. It's you stacking them on yourself.

You are on here fighting really hard on behalf of shield stacking. It must be really your one dimension.

Pro tip: L2P without shield stacking or find a way to avoid shield breakers, because either ZOS is going to continue with making counters for things or they'll nerf shield stacking into the ground which hopefully isn't the case as no one likes nerfs. At least counters provide more initiative to play and adapt, becoming a better player. You choose instead to cling on to shield stacking being 100% viable instead of looking through unbiased eyes and seeing just how one-sided it is... now while non-shield breakers are still having a hard time with shield-stackers, shield stackers will have a battle on their hand with those geared to take them on. Stop the crying already, it's beginning to look desperate.

How on earth is shieldstacking comparable to 0 cost batswarm? I would take the latter anyday and wipe the floor with all those zergs lol.

Yes I said, if that wasn't hint enough I would love to duel you. Come on NA and inbox me how to reach you and I'll be sure to post a montage and I will even use shield breaker on my Sorc just for the sake of LuLz. I'm on PC Live NA and XB1 NA and had PTS EU but haven't used it in ages, mostly just to game with some friends who were on those servers as well as two cousins.

Also, I don't believe you weren't online.... Even if still that doesn't mean you weren't crying the day before? Apparently you must be doing extensive testing with all of what you know about shield stacking, shield breaker, etc.. on Live since you know.... Live is where the final patches go.

I didn't' say it was a ridiculous versus a zerg as Batswarm. However, versus a few people Shield Stacking may as well be infinite health regen without shield breaker. You forget CCs have immunity times now, someone using magicka can save their stamina and get very low cost to block through CP, enchantments, etc.. Also as the guy in one of the videos said he doesn't even need to worry about a CC now since the immunity and he will stand up before his shields can be burst when doing it right.

So... yes it's a problem. ZOS is actually trying to avoid nerfing shields as you can tell, so they add a counter. Who are the people to complain? ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT SHIELD STACK and a few others who claim they "rely on the burst heal". Well that's easily fixable. Still stacking 2 shields over and over is already bad, 3 is out of hand. I use 1 on my sorc, temp, and dk. ONE. But ya know, I'm not afraid to actually put my skills to the test unlike shield stackers.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

So... yes it's a problem. ZOS is actually trying to avoid nerfing shields as you can tell, so they add a counter. Who are the people to complain? ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT SHIELD STACK and a few others who claim they "rely on the burst heal". Well that's easily fixable. Still stacking 2 shields over and over is already bad, 3 is out of hand. I use 1 on my sorc, temp, and dk. ONE. But ya know, I'm not afraid to actually put my skills to the test unlike shield stackers.

Or are dk's using igneous to buff their healing, or use ferocious leap, or use the synergy of magma armor, or are near someone who uses barrier, or are templars trying to use sun shield, or are the subjects of a healers healing ward. You don't have a say in all the shields you get and there are plenty of shields people don't complain about that are now easy tickets to the death recap. But as long as this set nerfs the evil shield stackers all is well.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

You missed my point completely. You don't always have a say if you get shielded or not, anyone near you can give you one and if this set becomes popular then that helpful person just lined you up to be killed. So please, keep cheering about how this set is the nerf sorcs deserved and ignore the fact that it isn't a punishment for the evil and spiteful shield stackers, but for anyone who uses shields at all, and anyone who has an ally nearby.

And about your "pro tip," 1, it doesn't only punish shield stackers, avoiding people using this set will be rare because of how popular it'll likely be, and as much as i'm for counter-play this set is a band-aid fix that'll do nothing more than give satisfaction to the people who hate others so much for using shields, and divide the community more. But yes, lets ignore all of that and go kill them evil sorcs. P.S. none of my sorcs use hardened ward, and none of my characters even use more than one shield, if any.

We aren't talking about a group with a healer shielding people. That is a different story. Even still, now there's a counter to that for groups without a healer running around IC and they have a better chance to make it a real fight.


If player A is constantly putting damage onto player B yet Player B can just spam shields to stay alive until player A runs out of resources, dies from DoTs, other attacks, NPC aggro, etc.. or has to leave the fight via an escape because of that.... player B didn't out-fight player A.. player B hid behind shields and let time do the battle for them. So now new scenario, player A has a way to counter the infinite shields of player B.. all the sudden it's a real fight and player B is unhappy because Player B wants easy mode, not real fights where they can't hide behind shields only and let time set it because it will work against them.

Ahhhh welcome to balancing. That is balanced.

Oh I used ward on my main Sorc and alt that I'm leveling sometimes... but I don't even stack shields in PVE, I certainly won't do it in PVP. This set isn't a punishment. It's a counter. A COUNTER. Nightblades NEVER HAVE shields unless using Resto, which you don't see may doing now do you? I know plenty of DKs that roll without shields just fine... Stam DKs or don' t re-apply them over and over if they do have them, they fight in PVP instead of hiding behind endless shields. So yeah great, now there's a counter to all shields. There never was. There's a counter to just about everything that's reasonably potent in the game for the first time since this game launched. Again, that's called balancing.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

So... yes it's a problem. ZOS is actually trying to avoid nerfing shields as you can tell, so they add a counter. Who are the people to complain? ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT SHIELD STACK and a few others who claim they "rely on the burst heal". Well that's easily fixable. Still stacking 2 shields over and over is already bad, 3 is out of hand. I use 1 on my sorc, temp, and dk. ONE. But ya know, I'm not afraid to actually put my skills to the test unlike shield stackers.

Or are dk's using igneous to buff their healing, or use ferocious leap, or use the synergy of magma armor, or are near someone who uses barrier, or are templars trying to use sun shield, or are the subjects of a healers healing ward. You don't have a say in all the shields you get and there are plenty of shields people don't complain about that are now easy tickets to the death recap. But as long as this set nerfs the evil shield stackers all is well.

You do have a say in whether you apply 2-3 shields or not and if every class doesn't have a shield, why in the world shouldn't there be a counter to it? Heck, if Nightblade's get a shield.. there should STILL be a counter to it. and not just one... 1 set with a 5 piece bonus means giving up a lot of other more useful sets.... they should have different ways to counter it. Do you want a good fight on your hands or not? I did some more testing with friends, played with the set a while and it doesn't make a big difference other than vs those shield stacking. If you aren't infinitely applying shields that measly 2k damage stops applying and it becomes a real fight.

So the Stam Sorc that I'm building atm.... (my main Sorc is a magicka user), I use bow on it. Now if I start firing all of my shots into a DK with scales up... and I keep relying on those ranged attacks and keep firing and firing and firing... or do nothing while I'm getting attacked.. guess what??? Not very good. But, I'm smarter than that.... so if you see your health drop with shields up, stop shield stacking. That is exactly what this is intended to encourage, actual combat.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

You missed my point completely. You don't always have a say if you get shielded or not, anyone near you can give you one and if this set becomes popular then that helpful person just lined you up to be killed. So please, keep cheering about how this set is the nerf sorcs deserved and ignore the fact that it isn't a punishment for the evil and spiteful shield stackers, but for anyone who uses shields at all, and anyone who has an ally nearby.

And about your "pro tip," 1, it doesn't only punish shield stackers, avoiding people using this set will be rare because of how popular it'll likely be, and as much as i'm for counter-play this set is a band-aid fix that'll do nothing more than give satisfaction to the people who hate others so much for using shields, and divide the community more. But yes, lets ignore all of that and go kill them evil sorcs. P.S. none of my sorcs use hardened ward, and none of my characters even use more than one shield, if any.

We aren't talking about a group with a healer shielding people. That is a different story. Even still, now there's a counter to that for groups without a healer running around IC and they have a better chance to make it a real fight.


If player A is constantly putting damage onto player B yet Player B can just spam shields to stay alive until player A runs out of resources, dies from DoTs, other attacks, NPC aggro, etc.. or has to leave the fight via an escape because of that.... player B didn't out-fight player A.. player B hid behind shields and let time do the battle for them. So now new scenario, player A has a way to counter the infinite shields of player B.. all the sudden it's a real fight and player B is unhappy because Player B wants easy mode, not real fights where they can't hide behind shields only and let time set it because it will work against them.

Ahhhh welcome to balancing. That is balanced.

Oh I used ward on my main Sorc and alt that I'm leveling sometimes... but I don't even stack shields in PVE, I certainly won't do it in PVP. This set isn't a punishment. It's a counter. A COUNTER. Nightblades NEVER HAVE shields unless using Resto, which you don't see may doing now do you? I know plenty of DKs that roll without shields just fine... Stam DKs or don' t re-apply them over and over if they do have them, they fight in PVP instead of hiding behind endless shields. So yeah great, now there's a counter to all shields. There never was. There's a counter to just about everything that's reasonably potent in the game for the first time since this game launched. Again, that's called balancing.

First, tanking is kinda a thing I wish zos wasn't working against, and outlasting an enemy that can't burst you down is one of those things tanks can do. Light armor tanks? Meh, but still battles of attrition were once the way battles were won or not. If someone is built to outlast an opponent and their opponent doesn't have the burst high enough to counter that, isn't that a case of generalist vs specialist?

And again, do you have full say when you get shields? You can't purge friendly shields and if someone with this set is smart they'll just spam light attacks, saving their resources in order to kill anyone foolish enough to accidentally get a shield. You're punished for being near people who use shields or for trying to synergize with allies. This set penalizes people who do any of that, not just the hated shield stackers.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

You missed my point completely. You don't always have a say if you get shielded or not, anyone near you can give you one and if this set becomes popular then that helpful person just lined you up to be killed. So please, keep cheering about how this set is the nerf sorcs deserved and ignore the fact that it isn't a punishment for the evil and spiteful shield stackers, but for anyone who uses shields at all, and anyone who has an ally nearby.

And about your "pro tip," 1, it doesn't only punish shield stackers, avoiding people using this set will be rare because of how popular it'll likely be, and as much as i'm for counter-play this set is a band-aid fix that'll do nothing more than give satisfaction to the people who hate others so much for using shields, and divide the community more. But yes, lets ignore all of that and go kill them evil sorcs. P.S. none of my sorcs use hardened ward, and none of my characters even use more than one shield, if any.

We aren't talking about a group with a healer shielding people. That is a different story. Even still, now there's a counter to that for groups without a healer running around IC and they have a better chance to make it a real fight.


If player A is constantly putting damage onto player B yet Player B can just spam shields to stay alive until player A runs out of resources, dies from DoTs, other attacks, NPC aggro, etc.. or has to leave the fight via an escape because of that.... player B didn't out-fight player A.. player B hid behind shields and let time do the battle for them. So now new scenario, player A has a way to counter the infinite shields of player B.. all the sudden it's a real fight and player B is unhappy because Player B wants easy mode, not real fights where they can't hide behind shields only and let time set it because it will work against them.

Ahhhh welcome to balancing. That is balanced.

Oh I used ward on my main Sorc and alt that I'm leveling sometimes... but I don't even stack shields in PVE, I certainly won't do it in PVP. This set isn't a punishment. It's a counter. A COUNTER. Nightblades NEVER HAVE shields unless using Resto, which you don't see may doing now do you? I know plenty of DKs that roll without shields just fine... Stam DKs or don' t re-apply them over and over if they do have them, they fight in PVP instead of hiding behind endless shields. So yeah great, now there's a counter to all shields. There never was. There's a counter to just about everything that's reasonably potent in the game for the first time since this game launched. Again, that's called balancing.

First, tanking is kinda a thing I wish zos wasn't working against, and outlasting an enemy that can't burst you down is one of those things tanks can do. Light armor tanks? Meh, but still battles of attrition were once the way battles were won or not. If someone is built to outlast an opponent and their opponent doesn't have the burst high enough to counter that, isn't that a case of generalist vs specialist?

And again, do you have full say when you get shields? You can't purge friendly shields and if someone with this set is smart they'll just spam light attacks, saving their resources in order to kill anyone foolish enough to accidentally get a shield. You're punished for being near people who use shields or for trying to synergize with allies. This set penalizes people who do any of that, not just the hated shield stackers.

lol no one is complaining about a group of people shielding each other... but these forums were flooded on shield stackers for quite a while. It's not like someone is constantly shielding you and following you around and all the sudden here comes someone to damage you. If that's the case, time to find a new group. There are no bunch of shields that are running around IC and Cyrodiil spamming everyone nonstop with their shields.

I highly doubt you are worried on behalf of Tanks everywhere.... Tanks need shields the most in PVE. There is rarely a full Tank in PVP.... Healer yes but that's only when traveling in groups.. why would you go solo when all you can do is heal? That's group mentality.

Also your signature says "Sorcerer Community Change Suggestions" why am I not surprised?

Sharee

ViciousWayz wrote: »

There should be actual skills for breaking shields or damaging around them, not just sets.. but it's a start.

QFT.

Araxleon

zornyan wrote: »

How about think about what the game is designed around, pve is questing, or fighting world bosses / dolmens, or endgame is trials vdsa etc.

Does shieldbraker effect you there? Nope.

Does the dodge/blocking nerf effect other classes there? Yes.

Pvp is designed around large scale battles, or small mobile groups, everything about pvp is designed around group combat, ic supports smaller groups, cyro supports large groups.

So a sorcerer, by definition, shouldn't be able to repeatedly cast Shields and live forever, they are supposed to be support / dps, not a tank in clothes taking more damage than a sword and board heavy wearing tank.

The idea is that a sorcerer stays with a small group, even just another player, that can tank damage and keep the enemy occupied, so that's what you've got to do.

I'm sorry but every class had a weakness, if you choose to wear clothes instead of armor you should die quickly, you shouldn't be able to sit at the front of a group of enemies, spamming Shields for eternity.

Hell even in bwb pvp on ps4 there's people spamming Shields, the number of sorcerers is insane, it took 4 of us spamming wrecking blow to remove one sorcerer that sat there stacking shields for eternity.

You do know this is magic correct? In Elder Scrolls lore mages can cast spells that make your skin stronger than almost any armor, soo shields doing this isnt a big deal it makes sense

I only find it dumb when they can DPS pretty high and have crazy strong shields,
Thats been a problem since softcaps were removed

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

You missed my point completely. You don't always have a say if you get shielded or not, anyone near you can give you one and if this set becomes popular then that helpful person just lined you up to be killed. So please, keep cheering about how this set is the nerf sorcs deserved and ignore the fact that it isn't a punishment for the evil and spiteful shield stackers, but for anyone who uses shields at all, and anyone who has an ally nearby.

And about your "pro tip," 1, it doesn't only punish shield stackers, avoiding people using this set will be rare because of how popular it'll likely be, and as much as i'm for counter-play this set is a band-aid fix that'll do nothing more than give satisfaction to the people who hate others so much for using shields, and divide the community more. But yes, lets ignore all of that and go kill them evil sorcs. P.S. none of my sorcs use hardened ward, and none of my characters even use more than one shield, if any.

We aren't talking about a group with a healer shielding people. That is a different story. Even still, now there's a counter to that for groups without a healer running around IC and they have a better chance to make it a real fight.


If player A is constantly putting damage onto player B yet Player B can just spam shields to stay alive until player A runs out of resources, dies from DoTs, other attacks, NPC aggro, etc.. or has to leave the fight via an escape because of that.... player B didn't out-fight player A.. player B hid behind shields and let time do the battle for them. So now new scenario, player A has a way to counter the infinite shields of player B.. all the sudden it's a real fight and player B is unhappy because Player B wants easy mode, not real fights where they can't hide behind shields only and let time set it because it will work against them.

Ahhhh welcome to balancing. That is balanced.

Oh I used ward on my main Sorc and alt that I'm leveling sometimes... but I don't even stack shields in PVE, I certainly won't do it in PVP. This set isn't a punishment. It's a counter. A COUNTER. Nightblades NEVER HAVE shields unless using Resto, which you don't see may doing now do you? I know plenty of DKs that roll without shields just fine... Stam DKs or don' t re-apply them over and over if they do have them, they fight in PVP instead of hiding behind endless shields. So yeah great, now there's a counter to all shields. There never was. There's a counter to just about everything that's reasonably potent in the game for the first time since this game launched. Again, that's called balancing.

First, tanking is kinda a thing I wish zos wasn't working against, and outlasting an enemy that can't burst you down is one of those things tanks can do. Light armor tanks? Meh, but still battles of attrition were once the way battles were won or not. If someone is built to outlast an opponent and their opponent doesn't have the burst high enough to counter that, isn't that a case of generalist vs specialist?

And again, do you have full say when you get shields? You can't purge friendly shields and if someone with this set is smart they'll just spam light attacks, saving their resources in order to kill anyone foolish enough to accidentally get a shield. You're punished for being near people who use shields or for trying to synergize with allies. This set penalizes people who do any of that, not just the hated shield stackers.

lol no one is complaining about a group of people shielding each other... but these forums were flooded on shield stackers for quite a while. It's not like someone is constantly shielding you and following you around and all the sudden here comes someone to damage you. If that's the case, time to find a new group. There are no bunch of shields that are running around IC and Cyrodiil spamming everyone nonstop with their shields.

I highly doubt you are worried on behalf of Tanks everywhere.... Tanks need shields the most in PVE. There is rarely a full Tank in PVP.... Healer yes but that's only when traveling in groups.. why would you go solo when all you can do is heal? That's group mentality.

Also your signature says "Sorcerer Community Change Suggestions" why am I not surprised?

Bother looking at the thread? It gives the class alternatives to shield stacking that would make fighting the class something other than the one trick fotm build. And yes, the odds of always having shields you don't want on you are slim, but its still a thing that will happen, and you don't have a way to purge them from you.

Even if you have insane armor and damage reduction if you have so much as a single stray shield or only use one sparingly (brawler, frost staff heavy attacks) you are taking as much damage as someone with several shields. What if the set did say, 33% of its current damage but it was multiplied per shield, would that be an alternative you would say works?

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

You missed my point completely. You don't always have a say if you get shielded or not, anyone near you can give you one and if this set becomes popular then that helpful person just lined you up to be killed. So please, keep cheering about how this set is the nerf sorcs deserved and ignore the fact that it isn't a punishment for the evil and spiteful shield stackers, but for anyone who uses shields at all, and anyone who has an ally nearby.

And about your "pro tip," 1, it doesn't only punish shield stackers, avoiding people using this set will be rare because of how popular it'll likely be, and as much as i'm for counter-play this set is a band-aid fix that'll do nothing more than give satisfaction to the people who hate others so much for using shields, and divide the community more. But yes, lets ignore all of that and go kill them evil sorcs. P.S. none of my sorcs use hardened ward, and none of my characters even use more than one shield, if any.

We aren't talking about a group with a healer shielding people. That is a different story. Even still, now there's a counter to that for groups without a healer running around IC and they have a better chance to make it a real fight.


If player A is constantly putting damage onto player B yet Player B can just spam shields to stay alive until player A runs out of resources, dies from DoTs, other attacks, NPC aggro, etc.. or has to leave the fight via an escape because of that.... player B didn't out-fight player A.. player B hid behind shields and let time do the battle for them. So now new scenario, player A has a way to counter the infinite shields of player B.. all the sudden it's a real fight and player B is unhappy because Player B wants easy mode, not real fights where they can't hide behind shields only and let time set it because it will work against them.

Ahhhh welcome to balancing. That is balanced.

Oh I used ward on my main Sorc and alt that I'm leveling sometimes... but I don't even stack shields in PVE, I certainly won't do it in PVP. This set isn't a punishment. It's a counter. A COUNTER. Nightblades NEVER HAVE shields unless using Resto, which you don't see may doing now do you? I know plenty of DKs that roll without shields just fine... Stam DKs or don' t re-apply them over and over if they do have them, they fight in PVP instead of hiding behind endless shields. So yeah great, now there's a counter to all shields. There never was. There's a counter to just about everything that's reasonably potent in the game for the first time since this game launched. Again, that's called balancing.

First, tanking is kinda a thing I wish zos wasn't working against, and outlasting an enemy that can't burst you down is one of those things tanks can do. Light armor tanks? Meh, but still battles of attrition were once the way battles were won or not. If someone is built to outlast an opponent and their opponent doesn't have the burst high enough to counter that, isn't that a case of generalist vs specialist?

And again, do you have full say when you get shields? You can't purge friendly shields and if someone with this set is smart they'll just spam light attacks, saving their resources in order to kill anyone foolish enough to accidentally get a shield. You're punished for being near people who use shields or for trying to synergize with allies. This set penalizes people who do any of that, not just the hated shield stackers.

lol no one is complaining about a group of people shielding each other... but these forums were flooded on shield stackers for quite a while. It's not like someone is constantly shielding you and following you around and all the sudden here comes someone to damage you. If that's the case, time to find a new group. There are no bunch of shields that are running around IC and Cyrodiil spamming everyone nonstop with their shields.

I highly doubt you are worried on behalf of Tanks everywhere.... Tanks need shields the most in PVE. There is rarely a full Tank in PVP.... Healer yes but that's only when traveling in groups.. why would you go solo when all you can do is heal? That's group mentality.

Also your signature says "Sorcerer Community Change Suggestions" why am I not surprised?

Bother looking at the thread? It gives the class alternatives to shield stacking that would make fighting the class something other than the one trick fotm build. And yes, the odds of always having shields you don't want on you are slim, but its still a thing that will happen, and you don't have a way to purge them from you.

Even if you have insane armor and damage reduction if you have so much as a single stray shield or only use one sparingly (brawler, frost staff heavy attacks) you are taking as much damage as someone with several shields. What if the set did say, 33% of its current damage but it was multiplied per shield, would that be an alternative you would say works?

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

Well that's nice and all that you're discussing different strategies however people aren't complaining that large groups of people are shielding each other.. or even regular groups. The whole thing was about individuals shield-stacking then 1vXing or surviving odds that no other class could not based on skill, but shield stacking to their escape. So, now there's a counter. And getting around the counter is way too easy. Just not shielding... that's it. No extra bonus if there's no shields up.. that's all it is. Shield stackers are still getting away with a lot, they could've been nerfed into the ground and then you would really be complaining. Again, a 5 piece set bonus specifically for those spamming shields, is the least ZOS could offer for a counter..hopefully they add more options but if they don't, at least there's 1 so if shield stackers seem to be out and about, you put on your set to make it a real fight. It's very simple and clear how it works, how to make the 5 pcs set bonus do nothing, and how to make the 5 pcs set bonus useful. If someone insists on keep spamming their shields despite their health dropping, that's L2P. No one can prepare for all the "what if" scenarios of ohhh what if you get randomly shielded??? Hmmm what if you get randomly stuck in combat because a teammate brought aggro to you when you were trying to do something and now no skills are on your bar??? Have a talk with your team? Find a more competent team? That type of situation is not going to ever be a priority because it's not something that's happening a lot. Now if you could PVP inside of banks, then sure.. I could see what you were saying where people spam endlessly but that's not the case.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

Well that's nice and all that you're discussing different strategies however people aren't complaining that large groups of people are shielding each other.. or even regular groups. The whole thing was about individuals shield-stacking then 1vXing or surviving odds that no other class could not based on skill, but shield stacking to their escape. So, now there's a counter. And getting around the counter is way too easy. Just not shielding... that's it. No extra bonus if there's no shields up.. that's all it is. Shield stackers are still getting away with a lot, they could've been nerfed into the ground and then you would really be complaining. Again, a 5 piece set bonus specifically for those spamming shields, is the least ZOS could offer for a counter..hopefully they add more options but if they don't, at least there's 1 so if shield stackers seem to be out and about, you put on your set to make it a real fight. It's very simple and clear how it works, how to make the 5 pcs set bonus do nothing, and how to make the 5 pcs set bonus useful. If someone insists on keep spamming their shields despite their health dropping, that's L2P. No one can prepare for all the "what if" scenarios of ohhh what if you get randomly shielded??? Hmmm what if you get randomly stuck in combat because a teammate brought aggro to you when you were trying to do something and now no skills are on your bar??? Have a talk with your team? Find a more competent team? That type of situation is not going to ever be a priority because it's not something that's happening a lot. Now if you could PVP inside of banks, then sure.. I could see what you were saying where people spam endlessly but that's not the case.

Just saying, its a thing that happens and if the set becomes popular enough then it will likely happen more. I just wish zos came up with a more engaging way to work around shields and expanding on the play vs counter play aside from just bashing ones face into a shield until it goes down. Guess this'll do for now, but I just want to make sure people are at least aware of this. But on the bright side, barrier spamming zergs should be easier to chew apart now.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

Well that's nice and all that you're discussing different strategies however people aren't complaining that large groups of people are shielding each other.. or even regular groups. The whole thing was about individuals shield-stacking then 1vXing or surviving odds that no other class could not based on skill, but shield stacking to their escape. So, now there's a counter. And getting around the counter is way too easy. Just not shielding... that's it. No extra bonus if there's no shields up.. that's all it is. Shield stackers are still getting away with a lot, they could've been nerfed into the ground and then you would really be complaining. Again, a 5 piece set bonus specifically for those spamming shields, is the least ZOS could offer for a counter..hopefully they add more options but if they don't, at least there's 1 so if shield stackers seem to be out and about, you put on your set to make it a real fight. It's very simple and clear how it works, how to make the 5 pcs set bonus do nothing, and how to make the 5 pcs set bonus useful. If someone insists on keep spamming their shields despite their health dropping, that's L2P. No one can prepare for all the "what if" scenarios of ohhh what if you get randomly shielded??? Hmmm what if you get randomly stuck in combat because a teammate brought aggro to you when you were trying to do something and now no skills are on your bar??? Have a talk with your team? Find a more competent team? That type of situation is not going to ever be a priority because it's not something that's happening a lot. Now if you could PVP inside of banks, then sure.. I could see what you were saying where people spam endlessly but that's not the case.

Just saying, its a thing that happens and if the set becomes popular enough then it will likely happen more. I just wish zos came up with a more engaging way to work around shields and expanding on the play vs counter play aside from just bashing ones face into a shield until it goes down. Guess this'll do for now, but I just want to make sure people are at least aware of this. But on the bright side, barrier spamming zergs should be easier to chew apart now.

Popular enough? This set will only be as useful as there are shield stackers & spammers. If there aren't any, the bonus is useless. Instead of ZOS putting in a hard nerf into shields, 1 at a time, cooldowns, etc.. they made a set to counter it. No one in their right mind will want to use the set if there aren't an over abundance of shield stackers & spammers. But to no one' surprise, there are ridiculous amounts of shield stackers, even some of my friends whom I tell them how ashamed I am of them (not going to not be friends with people over it who I've gamed in ESO with since early access) --- however I certainly tell them how lame it is. FYI none of them have an issue with the set and thought they'd get nerfed so are actually pleased ZOS went so lightly on their "mechanics".

Nivzruo_ESO

Having to use half my gear slots to counter ONE OP class ability is asinine. Give us an ability that counters shields, maybe in the alliance war skill tree since this is a pvp problem. Until then shield breaker is our best chance to kill a sorc god.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Oh I wasn't questioning the thread, just pointing out that I don't see a DK Community Change Suggestions, Templar, or NB in your signature.. that's all. So I'm sensing there may be some legit bias here on your part.

If you only have one shield, it will deplete quick enough as long as you don't re-apply it. What's so complicated about that? How in the world can I run around Solo on my Sorc without shield stacking? It's very simple to deal with someone geared specifically for breaking shields... don't spam shields. Amazing.... brilliant! LOL

Really, it's simple... I am just getting the feeling that you want to shield stack to your heart's content and got very cozy with it being effective in all situations meanwhile there is no one thing in this game that should be effective in ALL situations or everyone will just go to that path... like the majority of Sorcs running around Cyrodiil atm minus myself when on my Sorc and a few others I know.. or people unaware of it which oh so many people are now.

My first character was a sorc, and that bias is toward making sure that the game holds to its design so I can run a stamina sorc and not be doing so with only one arm, but the thread has ideas that make the class as a whole something more than a shield spamming, bolt spamming, burst build that I personally dislike. My continued problem with this set is the shields you are given from others and the shields you synergize with to get.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the shield magma shell provides, but if you pick it up you could end up in a bad spot, and if someone gives you a shield at a bad time there is no way to decline it or quickly shed it. It won't be the bane of everyone's existence if they get a random shield but outside from healing, shields are one of the support things that you can't really control and getting hit with irrestiable damage for that is not good design in my opinion.

Being shielded at the wrong time is not something that is really a concern to anyone but you it seems. I rarely ever get shields. Also many groups don't have healers in them.. while some do yes, that healer should be smart enough to know not to spam shields and if they are going to heal... then HEAL. It doesn't affect all of the powerful healing abilities, only the shield.

Well that's nice and all that you're discussing different strategies however people aren't complaining that large groups of people are shielding each other.. or even regular groups. The whole thing was about individuals shield-stacking then 1vXing or surviving odds that no other class could not based on skill, but shield stacking to their escape. So, now there's a counter. And getting around the counter is way too easy. Just not shielding... that's it. No extra bonus if there's no shields up.. that's all it is. Shield stackers are still getting away with a lot, they could've been nerfed into the ground and then you would really be complaining. Again, a 5 piece set bonus specifically for those spamming shields, is the least ZOS could offer for a counter..hopefully they add more options but if they don't, at least there's 1 so if shield stackers seem to be out and about, you put on your set to make it a real fight. It's very simple and clear how it works, how to make the 5 pcs set bonus do nothing, and how to make the 5 pcs set bonus useful. If someone insists on keep spamming their shields despite their health dropping, that's L2P. No one can prepare for all the "what if" scenarios of ohhh what if you get randomly shielded??? Hmmm what if you get randomly stuck in combat because a teammate brought aggro to you when you were trying to do something and now no skills are on your bar??? Have a talk with your team? Find a more competent team? That type of situation is not going to ever be a priority because it's not something that's happening a lot. Now if you could PVP inside of banks, then sure.. I could see what you were saying where people spam endlessly but that's not the case.

Just saying, its a thing that happens and if the set becomes popular enough then it will likely happen more. I just wish zos came up with a more engaging way to work around shields and expanding on the play vs counter play aside from just bashing ones face into a shield until it goes down. Guess this'll do for now, but I just want to make sure people are at least aware of this. But on the bright side, barrier spamming zergs should be easier to chew apart now.

Popular enough? This set will only be as useful as there are shield stackers & spammers. If there aren't any, the bonus is useless. Instead of ZOS putting in a hard nerf into shields, 1 at a time, cooldowns, etc.. they made a set to counter it. No one in their right mind will want to use the set if there aren't an over abundance of shield stackers & spammers. But to no one' surprise, there are ridiculous amounts of shield stackers, even some of my friends whom I tell them how ashamed I am of them (not going to not be friends with people over it who I've gamed in ESO with since early access) --- however I certainly tell them how lame it is. FYI none of them have an issue with the set and thought they'd get nerfed so are actually pleased ZOS went so lightly on their "mechanics".

I'll just say two last things since I feel we can't really add anything to this loop we have going. First is that I don't like shield stackers and avoid fotm builds like the plague and have no intent on using several shields on any of my characters, but play and counter play is what makes games for me even more enjoyable and interesting, an this feels like a quick band aid fix. And second, isn't this sets 2-4 bonuses interesting to anyone, or is a general spread of bonuses that inferior to stacking one thing?

ToRelax

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

This thread is golden, pls don't stop. The only tears I shed are of joy right now, but please continue, it's too awesome.

Oh yep I'm sure. I already imagine you were raging at the screen as your shield stacking didn't hold up against someone earlier and so you turned to the forums. LOL

Actually I've not been playing today at all and yesterday I was theorycrafting a DK build.

But to get this going again, aka on topic:

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.
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I doubt anyone could take on 5 good players by yourself.

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

So shieldstacking is OP and your proof is that the good shieldstackers fled while the bad ones died? Ok...

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

I hate the idea having to bring a Templar for small scale. Just because other classes can't fill the healer roll sufficiently anymore with Healing Ward.

I've seen people take on 5 good players that weren't shield stacking by themselves. Heck 2 of my guildmates are in such scenarios on a regular basis. Although now, they are more cautious but this set hasn't gained much traction to put much of a dent into all of the shield stacking.

And I'm not saying shield stacking is "over powered", I'm saying it's borderline an exploit. My counter wasn't to say that bad ones die, it was to say that someone was complaining on these forums yesterday on the very same topic which got closed and re-directed here, that they were fighting 3 people no problem, have no problem 1v1 Shield Breakers, however when a shield breaker interrupts their 1v3 then they die. Basically they just admitted how ridiculous that is then complained that their cheap methods have a counter when they are outnumbered lmao.

Maybe we have different opinions of what is a "good" player then.
For example, in my eyes, a good player is also defined by the fact he usually will never lose a 2v1 as long as his ally is a good player as well and the enemy no emperor (or extreme cp advantage, wich does not exist in this magnitude).
"Good players" are rare though, and that is not because this game is difficult but because most players don't have a clue and don't care / know how to learn about it.

I know exactly what a good player is, we game daily. If I could make a list by names I would, however we know that's not permissible and don't start acting like it's rare.. there are a lot more good players than you think, sure there are plenty who are clueless but I know a pretty average Sorc that shield stacks that takes on some of the most popular leader board names. You can find some videos if you go search Youtube.

That doesn't change the topic however, the topic is about shield breaker vs shield stacking and shield stacking is viable in many more ways than shield breaker. Shield breaker has 1 purpose for it's 5 pcs bonus, shield stacking goes a veryyyyyyyyyy long way and becomes ridiculous.

LMAO, who cares for the leaderboard?
Bring me some of those "good" players for some duels, either on EU or on PTS if you're playing on NA.
Very curious what "good" means in your opinion, srsly.

For starters, I've never heard of you. LMAO @ PTS.... maybe EU has a shortage good players but NA has a reasonable amount. What do you consider "good"? Do you know that good is not great but better than average? But yes, feel free to come on NA live servers and experience the players we have. I'm sure there are some good players on EU, I just doubt you are one of them.

I'll be looking for your non-shield stacking montage however.

Edit: And yes leaderboard isn't always an indicator as we all know how that can be rigged or attained, however at least in NA, there are some consistencies with some of them... I can't speak for EU but I can for NA. Maybe you just all choose to Emp farm more than we do (although we've had our fair share of it, but not anywhere close to as much these days).

So you are not coming to fight me and just assume I'm not as good as I pretend, despite me being the only one willing to prove it?

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

a bit of search would have lead you directly to the never fixed UI bug of not properly "deleted" shields that on top stacks unlimited within the UI but not on the char - with an actual usefull UI wich ZOS failed to deliver on any gameing device you would have seen sth like this:
http://i.imgur.com/8lgF87L.png
and over 200k shield value is in no way possible regardless of the class...
as you can see in your vid the ending of his annulement doesn´t changed the displayed shield value thus it clearly indicates the buginess of the ui but not the actual "OPness" of sorc shield stacking.

I never said there weren't bugs in the UI, I have a Sorc. I can also shield stack 80% of my health with ease and keep applying it. I know some people who have set up their characters to do even MORE. You are confusing a UI glitch with actual shield stacking which is a real thing and not a glitch.

It didn't show the shield numbers in the video. Who knows whether the UI was showing more shield than there is or not but it was showing the health not moving and you never saw his screen flashing red. Even that many noobs of the same level should be able to at least put a dent in the very best of players out in the open like that. It's like they were fighting an IC District boss but all of their damage was just being absorbed and disappearing.

There is no two ways about it. Shield Stacking needed a counter and now it has one. A sorc doesn't need to shield stack to be very good or competitive. If you do, you're doing it wrong.

as the base UI shows health and shields at a 1:1 ratio in your linked vid the shield amount was 90+% of the bar wich resemble to an amount of shields equal to 9x his HP pool with a lets say not uncommon 20k health pool this means ~180.000 shield value and this is impossible to stack in any way or form without the display bug.

so you are not understanding what you are visioning.

I understand exactly what I am "visioning".. I think you mean seeing.

But back on point, there is no evidence as to the numbers of what his health is so you can't say what his shields are but you can see his health is barely ever touched and that's not a UI bug... also again no red flashing of his screen with that many people attacking him.. Maybe he has everything in Magicka? You do know that Sorcs can reach some ridiculous shield levels when set up for it, right?

Here's another video with numbers for ya, watch how the shield stacking allows for this, watch it just zoom up cover his entire health bar quickly over and over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJI5YqpXbtU


And people complained about Vamps.. shield stackers are just as ridiculous as what the vamp ulti used to do and that you could move away from, shield is cast on the person casting it so there's no stopping it unless it's a a few people, a very bad sorc, someone specifically geared to take out shields, or a longgg shield stacker duel.


There's no way on Earth you are stopping me if I shield stack on my sorc without help from others or you leveling the playing field with a shield breaker set in which when a non-shield NB is your next fight, you realize what you sacrificed just to focus on fighting people with ridiculous triple stacked shields.

You show me one of the best two Sorcs on both Servers killing way less skilled players.
And call that equal to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucmjldufa6U

Best two sorcs? Good, but I wouldn't go that far. Regardless that bit is a matter of opinion, what's not is how do you know the skill level of those he's battling? You are making assumptions.

Here's a whole bunch of videos to choose from, where in most are shield stacking with 3 shields:


https://www.google.com/#q=ESO+sorc+1vx&tbm=vid

I am basing my opinions on what I see combined with my own experiences. I fought German on PTS during 2.0 and without trying to brag, I am a very good Sorc myself. I see the mistakes the enemies are doing in 1vX videos.

Compare that to your claim that shieldstacking would be as rediculous as vampirism once was. I have never seen a video of a shieldstacker who was fighting an enemy zerg solo and chatting meanwhile...

No, comparing it to Vampirism is exactly right. Answer this, are you able to make your way into a zerg and get on out with maybe a kill or two without shield stacking? What about with?

Sure the batswarm thing was more intense when more noobs were present because they'd stand right in it, but that's a whole other issue. There is no standing in shields. It's you stacking them on yourself.

You are on here fighting really hard on behalf of shield stacking. It must be really your one dimension.

Pro tip: L2P without shield stacking or find a way to avoid shield breakers, because either ZOS is going to continue with making counters for things or they'll nerf shield stacking into the ground which hopefully isn't the case as no one likes nerfs. At least counters provide more initiative to play and adapt, becoming a better player. You choose instead to cling on to shield stacking being 100% viable instead of looking through unbiased eyes and seeing just how one-sided it is... now while non-shield breakers are still having a hard time with shield-stackers, shield stackers will have a battle on their hand with those geared to take them on. Stop the crying already, it's beginning to look desperate.

How on earth is shieldstacking comparable to 0 cost batswarm? I would take the latter anyday and wipe the floor with all those zergs lol.

Yes I said, if that wasn't hint enough I would love to duel you. Come on NA and inbox me how to reach you and I'll be sure to post a montage and I will even use shield breaker on my Sorc just for the sake of LuLz. I'm on PC Live NA and XB1 NA and had PTS EU but haven't used it in ages, mostly just to game with some friends who were on those servers as well as two cousins.

Also, I don't believe you weren't online.... Even if still that doesn't mean you weren't crying the day before? Apparently you must be doing extensive testing with all of what you know about shield stacking, shield breaker, etc.. on Live since you know.... Live is where the final patches go.

I didn't' say it was a ridiculous versus a zerg as Batswarm. However, versus a few people Shield Stacking may as well be infinite health regen without shield breaker. You forget CCs have immunity times now, someone using magicka can save their stamina and get very low cost to block through CP, enchantments, etc.. Also as the guy in one of the videos said he doesn't even need to worry about a CC now since the immunity and he will stand up before his shields can be burst when doing it right.

So... yes it's a problem. ZOS is actually trying to avoid nerfing shields as you can tell, so they add a counter. Who are the people to complain? ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT SHIELD STACK and a few others who claim they "rely on the burst heal". Well that's easily fixable. Still stacking 2 shields over and over is already bad, 3 is out of hand. I use 1 on my sorc, temp, and dk. ONE. But ya know, I'm not afraid to actually put my skills to the test unlike shield stackers.

@ViciousWayz
I would come on NA if I had a veteran char there, wich is not the case.
If you send me a forum message when you'll be on, I can come on PTS at that time (unless of I can't, then I'd tell you).

Shieldbreaker on a Sorc is hilarious, would be interesting to see how two of those play out... ^^

Cookiethief

Dude it only does 2k damage, git gud scrub

nordickittyhawk

Cookiethief wrote: »

Dude it only does 2k damage, git gud scrub

yeah xD and they blink alot ... 20 to 30 light attacks if they even try!! man sorcs are so bad

saiyan_84

This is pretty dam funny I must say. First of all let me say that I haven't committed to getting the shield breaker set but the thought of getting it has crossed my mind, but here are my two cents on the matter.

Sorcs in 1.6 were gods period and none of you that played a sorc can refute that. IN WHAT GAME EVER has there been a ranged magic dps class that could tank insane amounts of damage sprinkled with the ability to run away from any situation with a spammable blink type ability. I can't think of one weakness a shield stacking sorc had and I an bet ya'll took immense pleasure in running around in cyrodiil knowing nothing could touch you unless you did something stupid.

About the set, I do think ZoS got it wrong. When I first heard about a set with the name shield breaker, I thought it would be like damage to shields would be multiplied by X amount or something along those lines. You would actually break the shield, you know as its name implies, not bypass the shield. Like it or not, light attacking from a weighted bow for a kill like that is cheap as hell. Yes they deserve it for all the insta deaths I took from proxy deting dawnbreakering easy mode sorcs, but I for one, don't want to win like that.

This shows poorly on ZoS for not being able to foresee the set being taken advantage of in that manner and Im pretty sure a nerf is coming. They could have avoided this if they just made shields critable and gave them a longer cooldown. Why is ZoS forcing people to wear 5 piece set just to combat something as disgustingly OP as shield stacking instead of fixing the dam game mechanic that allows sorcs to do so?

ReCreare

These shield stackers are the bane of the game. I'm pleased.

Personofsecrets

Sorry sorcs. Catch-22s are going to happen.

You can't fight every player in cyrodiil expecting a chance, even a fair chance, at combating them all.

Darkonflare15

After reading this thread, I have learn that some players are very logical and that most players are just blind sheep riding the hate train blind. Spouting off half baked knowledge like they know something like "git good" or "learn 2 play". It seems like the game's player base is dropping considerably after each update of this game.

ThisOnePosts

@ToRelax I'd like to see that as well LOLLL. Message me your hours and in-game contact info and I'll let you know about PTS. Really wish we could hop Megaservers on Live, that would be of course the best but it's unfortunately not an option.

In reply to @CP5 I agree, it's a loop with different outlooks on it apparently. I love my Sorc, don't get me wrong. But shield stacking has ruined the class and you have everyone and their grandma looking for easy mode with it. Everywhere you look shields are a'stacking in IC (and Cyrodiil although it sometimes takes a lot longer to find enemies than just walking up a ladder and into a District).. at least in my encounters.

The bonuses for Shield Breaker are pretty good, but not the best choice for Medium. However if you encounter a lot of shield stackers or your group does, this is really a very strategic yet specific build to go for and taking that 5 piece bonus may or may not be worth it depending on ---again--- how often you encounter people with triple shields.

Sometimes I join a random group just for the heck of it and notice we have some in our group... I envision at that moment the wonderful FPS team-kill option and would love to do it to teach them a lesson haha. There's no shame in using shields... it would be great if all of my characters could get one including my Stam NB, but unfortunately that's not a viable option for that char of mine...unless I make it Magicka/Resto which I will be honest is not my favorite setup.

If I had the game made to my liking, blocking/rolling would not come off of Stamina (or better yet, Magicka would be renamed and all attacks would come off of that) and Hybrids would be more of a good choice all around in PVP and PVE (using both Magicka and Stamina). Out of all of the ways I've played this game, playing as a hybrid was the most fun since I had the most choices but unfortunately that's not going to do as well as pure Magicka or Stamina in end-game PVE and PVP well you could really do either but it's insane to keep changing CP, Attributes (if necessary), gear, morphs, etc.. every time you want to go from PVE to PVP and vice versa.

Sorry that went a bit off topic, but really I think this set shows promise from ZOS and it's a step in the right direction as far as adding counters to things in the game and having it balanced more and more. I do feel like ZOS wants to push for people to use Magicka and Stamina more but the way you really have to choose between weapon power and spell power in most situations it kinda goes against it.. but then look at the Twice Born Star set and many other sets....

Forestd16b14_ESO

And point being ? So what your bubble gets popped just learn to adapt to shield breaker isn't as OP as you sorcs are making out to be cause what is the point of extra light and heavy attack damage to shields against a templar or a NB or DK or a sorc who isn't following the meta and doesn't use shields? Huh ?

Shield breaker is designed for 1 use only while all the other sets new and old which are designed for a more general use. You really think every one is gonna drop what 5,000 TV stones for a shield breaker set over say black rose or hunding rage or even seducer?