Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

Psilent

Sorry dude, no sympathy for you. Learn to put points into health. My Sorc has 30k health and 34k Magicka, still doing great damage.

Sublime

Psilent wrote: »

Sorry dude, no sympathy for you. Learn to put points into health. My Sorc has 30k health and 34k Magicka, still doing great damage.

How do you heal when you take damage, or do you go for a dps-race?

ThisOnePosts

ahahhahaaa wow.

Listen, I have maxed level of each class and some of them more than once.

Shield-stacking is an obscene thing. My Sorc is ridiclously powerful in PVP right now thanks to shield-stacking, however I decide NOT to do it. Why? Because I feel that it's an exploit. Sure it's in the game, but I highly doubt devs meant for people to have shields infinitely spammable thanks to how easy magicka regen is to acquire not to mention stack on each other over and over to the point people have shields as high as their health or close to it... some MUCH HIGHER.

I've even chewed out a few friends who do this and refuse to run in Cyro with them because it's a lame move. However, earlier I literally had a few of them complaining on TS about how now there is a set to counter their already questionable tactics? HAHAHAHA. What did I do? Went and equipped my Nightblade with it and plan to equip my Stam DK with it.

Sure, it's not going to help you take on a bunch of people anymore than you'd normally be able to or do much vs non-shield stackers... however you can now literally hunt down and target people who run into zergs and walk away scoff-free at times thanks to a combo of shield-stacking, healing, and escapes. Those such people will become baffled and then cry on the forums, as such.

One person in another now-closed thread on this topic complained that someone with shield breaker killed them while they were taking on 3 other people. LMAO..... how in the world is it considered balanced when you are expecting to roll over 4 people? Now, it's more balanced. There should be actual skills for breaking shields or damaging around them, not just sets.. but it's a start. Since apparently they didn't want to remove the shield stacking from the game and give shields cooldowns or make them cost more when activated within x amount of seconds, etc... this is a good solution. It's making a complete circle where no one is anymore safe in Cyrodiil than the next person, and that's how it should be. Then all it should come down to is skill and not cheap tactics since now they can cancel each other out.

Derra

Alcast wrote: »

I must say I really enjoy all the tears from Sorcs. And on PTS Sorcs said it will affect Sorcs the least LoL

Skill>Shield>Skill>Shield>Skill>Shield aint working anymore

I still stand behind that statement. It does not affect me much in terms of solo play. I can no longer play as a supporter because of that set - it does not harm my ability to wreck the scrubs i´ve been killing before of this nonsense.

Scyantific

How bout they just tie it into fully charged heavy attacks since they seem to have a hard-on for those.

VoiDGhOs7

So from where should i start...

1st.
The picture is mine.

2nd.
It wasnt a 1v1 situation,i got zerged by a DC train spamming the steel tornado meta in TB Eu and there are 2 well known
trains that used to lag the server(but thats another story).

3rd.
Ive tried to escape goin in the buildings while fighting 4+ players and while tried to heal my self i just died because using healing ward is now a death sentence.

To all qqers out there that dont like sorc class and ask for nerfs just LEARN2PLAY and use cc against them (remember also the to WB spam since cc immunity and immovable pots are working perfectly now).

Shield breaker is overpowered (2k irresistable dmg is that ignore any defense is just b******t) because it doesnt have a cooldown and procs on every shield that includes harness,healing ward,hardening enchant,hardened ward.

My approach against players using shieldbreaker are these usually with some tweaks here and there:
In 1v1 situation i dont have problems,1v2 situation can be a problem if the enemy players know what to do,when the situation exceeds the 1v2 situation i spam defensive rune and blink away.

Anyway expect more qq in the next couple of weeks when more players will get the set and start the gatling bow light machine...

Aunatar

Xeniph wrote: »

While I don't agree with your opinion about the set being OP, I do agree that it's not the solution.

Currently a Sorc can achieve 14-16k Hardened wards without sacrificing any dps. This gives them 30k-32k effective health, renders all crits and most bleed/dot damage moot. Tie that with the massive buff they got in 1.6 being able to apply a new shield over a damaged one, looking at it objectively, stacking is not the only issue.

No medium, let alone light armored person should have 30k+ health (14-16k of it being immune to so much stuff), in a zone where the average health pool sits around 16-22k, without significant investment into armor, health and survivability. Regardless of class, playstyle.

What pvp in this game needs is proper debuff and skill lockout abilities. Offensive purges, targeted silences, skill lockouts all immune to CC break. Allowing for skilled gameplay. Also, shields should not be able to attain such high numbers and be immune to anything or be able to be stacked or rewrote.

I completely agree with one poster I read propose shields being put on the current buff table. Ie.. Major shield, Minor shield and preventing them from being refreshed until they have expired.

Again, misinformation. Please, stop using false and fantasy numbers. Hardened ward, on live, isn't more than 9-10k in PvP, and that happens with 35k Magicka points. Shields only scale on Magicka pool, magicka spells now scale much more on spell dmg than magicka pool; 129 spell dmg (1 bonus set) provides the same damage boost that 5k more magicka provides. That means stacking magicka instead of spell dmg is jsut silly.
I run with curse, proximity and dawnbreaker on my sorc atm, with 2650 spell dmg buffed. I don't usually kill anyone with the only burst combination of those 3 skills, still i sacrificed a lot of regen to do that. I have 35k magica because of v16 gear, but i have only 10k Hard Ward with 100 CP into bastion. I don't see any 16k ward then.
Stop spreading misinformation.

Lava_Croft

Judging by the popularity of the set, I think it's not overpowered at all.

But silly? Yeah, it's rather silly.

Domander

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Where are the light attacks on that recap?

ToRelax

Domander wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Where are the light attacks on that recap?

Absorbed.

VoiDGhOs7

Domander wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Where are the light attacks on that recap?

When somebody is using that set it shows only shieldbreaker.

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

This is not counter play. This is toxic game design. This is an I win button.

Where are the light attacks on that recap?

Absorbed.

Sadly is not otherwise I wouldnt have posted the picture.

VoiDGhOs7

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Judging by the popularity of the set, I think it's not overpowered at all.

But silly? Yeah, it's rather silly.

Soon or later the silliness will be over 9000 when that happens ill just grab popcorn and enjoy the entertaiment.

ThisOnePosts

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Kova

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs mad they can get killed now, lol. I warned ya'll sorcs way back to stop making 1vX videos or you'll get nerfed into oblivion like the talon, SnB, Banner DKs of days past. Well the day has come enjoy.

Funny you say that. I know a few, as well as myself, that have some new IC 1vX videos to post. Couldn't have made it without your support.

ThisOnePosts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c


Look at the health almost a tiny fraction compared to shields at one point. Health never moving. That's why shield breaker sets aren't enough, there needs to be more counters but a 5 piece set is a good start.


Also even though you weren't talking to me:
Kova, I see your in-game name is listed in your forum signature.. I'll make sure some people keep an eye out for ya with shield-breaker, you know so they can have your support making montages.



I would never resort to such cheap tactics on my Sorc. I prefer to you know... make it a fair fight and have a challenge. My Sorc can put up some sick damage numbers when not focusing on shields, although you can do enough damage to kill people with shields stacked, I prefer to play more aggressively and less like a pansy.

VoiDGhOs7

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

ThisOnePosts

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

I play on each class, equally. Right now my Sorc is the most powerful of my characters in PVP if I decide to shield stack, followed by my Templar a close second. The most annoying thing I can do with my DK is keep people in talons, which a tiny bit of distance fixes. My NB has no shield built into the class and most people who choose NB, don't want to run Magicka or else they would've went with something else. Keep in mind I am saying most and talking from experience as well as others I know. Magicka NB is damn good, but it's just not as fun.

Try to fight someone without as much shield as your health and maybe people won't have to dedicate their sets specifically to keeping you from what many here seem to feel is exploiting.

CP5

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Scyantific

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

New griefing meta-game spotted.

CP5

Scyantific wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

New griefing meta-game spotted.

If only people would get off the sorc hate train and realize that. But I guess everyone who wants to help their allies or is a dk and wants to buff their healing should just, you know, l2p.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Well After play with this set,the only sorc i can kill easily are the one who think can facetank me,the good one well i just laugh when i try to light attack them when they just blink away spamming curse/frag minefield etc...

The only i win button here is shield stacking.

so if you want to nerf this set shield stacking should be nerfed too,currently bad or good this is the only counter.

FriedEggSandwich

ViciousWayz wrote: »

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

I play on each class, equally. Right now my Sorc is the most powerful of my characters in PVP if I decide to shield stack, followed by my Templar a close second. The most annoying thing I can do with my DK is keep people in talons, which a tiny bit of distance fixes. My NB has no shield built into the class and most people who choose NB, don't want to run Magicka or else they would've went with something else. Keep in mind I am saying most and talking from experience as well as others I know. Magicka NB is damn good, but it's just not as fun.

Try to fight someone without as much shield as your health and maybe people won't have to dedicate their sets specifically to keeping you from what many here seem to feel is exploiting.

If it's exploiting then it's one of the oldest exploits in the game. I'm still running the same pvp skill setup I was in august 2014, and it involves stacking hardened ward with harness magicka. It definitely didn't feel like exploiting then, at what point did it become an exploit? The only major change I've made since then is switching out double resto staff for destro/resto when the 10% damage buff was removed from resto staff. My point is I'm now being classed as an exploiter for running the same build I always have. CP and no softcaps have a lot to answer for.

While light armour offers 1/4 of the mitigation of heavy, shield stacking will be necessary against the hardest hitters unless individual shields are buffed. Sure I could spec a bit more into hp and run about with no shields and I'd probably be able to take out a few clueless players, but I would still be wearing light armour and would still have no chance against high dps builds and battle-hardened players. I might play with heavy armour and bound aegis to see what happens but I have a suspicion I will just be a tank with poor dps, regen and penetration. I would like to remain competetive please.

As for this set; well it's a lot to give up just to counter sorcs, and I know that good players know plenty of other counters, so I can't see that many players using it in the long run. Seems like a gimmick or novelty. I can see how it would be attractive to sorc haters though, but to hate sorcs that much you can't be any good so I hope they enjoy the crutch.

BalticBlues

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

NBs could no longer spam cloaking and be immune to all damage, OH NO!! lol

Such a cloak breaker set would be one of the best features of a patch.
It would balance abusive cloak spamming tactics. Now you actually would have to consider investing into other skill.

The set would made NBs actually take some skill. Good NBs will adapt.

Fixed it for you.

killingspreeb16_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

NBs could no longer spam cloaking and be immune to all damage, OH NO!! lol

Such a cloak breaker set would be one of the best features of a patch.
It would balance abusive cloak spamming tactics. Now you actually would have to consider investing into other skill.

The set would made NBs actually take some skill. Good NBs will adapt.

Fixed it for you.

Cloak is alredy countered by flare/magelight/AoE/detect pots/and many other skill like daedric curse,gap closer still break cloak,where is the counter to shield stack except to wear a set that is useless against every other player who don't rely on shield?oh right there is no one

phaseadept

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

FriedEggSandwich

phaseadept wrote: »

Bring a pocket Healer? That's what most classes do in PvP in other games. I personally don't like to see classes good at everything. . . Sorcerers can tank, dps, escape, and CC. . .

I'd like to see more utility encouraging group play. . .

I think this set is only annoying because it's 1. New and 2. Sorcs have been complaining endlessly about it.

I play my Templar primarily, not exactly good at anything, but keep getting nerfed anyway.

Good point. People hate 1vX and people hate zerg. Everyone needs to go around in groups of 4.

ThisOnePosts

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Excuse me, i'll just be, a healer using healing ward, a dk using igneous shield, a random trying to help with barrier and long behold now you're taking irresistible damage with no way to prevent it because someone else gave you a shield. With how smart heals place shields healing ward will likely get a lot of flack for lining people up to be destroyed by this set. But yes, lets only bash on sorcs because so many people got mad at them, totally justifies the sets existence.

Do you even know what you're talking about? What is the shield Nightblade's have? Oh... oh that's right. None. Have you tested shield-breaker? Do you have maxed characters of each class that you do both PVE and PVP with? It sure doesn't sound like it. Shield-breaker is the bane to shield-stacking but shield-stacking circumvents EVERYTHING except Zergs although sometimes provides a survivable means as said person escapes a zerg.

It only works while a shield is up. So if you aren't spamming endless shields and stacking them, it won't be a problem. Shield had ZERO COUNTERS. Now it has a fair one. For every 10 shield-stacking pvpers there may now be 2 or 3 shield breakers. Oh what's that??? The scale balancing? Oh, amazing.

Signed,

Someone who plays every class

ThisOnePosts

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

A good player shouldn't be able to 1v2 2 other good players, if so there's a problem. With shield-stacking, and again while not a fan I have tested it just to see... I could take on 5 good players for some time. Your average player I could roll over without my health ever being touched thanks to shields. So yeah, suffice to say I never use that tactic as I find it borderline exploiting.

Now if all you do is look for low ranking people who are just adjusting to PVP and 1v4 them.. well that's a very noobish way to go about it. I look for the biggest and baddest to fight, not the weakest and most novice.

Shield breaker does not do irresistible damage to anything other than those WITH SHIELDS UP. Just like a bow user can wreck themselves when I am on my DK and use scales or any ranged user really. Or I could be on my Temp and let my shield absorb all of those attacks and then blast them with it.

There should be a counter to everything in this game. If you can snipe yourself on scales for much more than a measly 2k damage, then it's fine. Because if I am on my sorc, I'm not focused on shields. Yes I'm aware of how they stack and I have no interest in doing such weak, border-line exploiting moves. I don't have to worry about my shields being stacked because I will be fighting back instead of waiting until they are gassed from my shields while doing tiny attacks in between.

I think this set is great but it's not enough. There needs to be more ways to counter things from all classes, not just the 3 classes that can spam extra shields.

I hate nerfs, and I'd rather them keep adding more stuff (such as this set for countering cheap moves) than start taking away, but I guess we'll see.

Try use scales while your Ignious Shield is up then youll see how balanced the set is.

I play on each class, equally. Right now my Sorc is the most powerful of my characters in PVP if I decide to shield stack, followed by my Templar a close second. The most annoying thing I can do with my DK is keep people in talons, which a tiny bit of distance fixes. My NB has no shield built into the class and most people who choose NB, don't want to run Magicka or else they would've went with something else. Keep in mind I am saying most and talking from experience as well as others I know. Magicka NB is damn good, but it's just not as fun.

Try to fight someone without as much shield as your health and maybe people won't have to dedicate their sets specifically to keeping you from what many here seem to feel is exploiting.

If it's exploiting then it's one of the oldest exploits in the game. I'm still running the same pvp skill setup I was in august 2014, and it involves stacking hardened ward with harness magicka. It definitely didn't feel like exploiting then, at what point did it become an exploit? The only major change I've made since then is switching out double resto staff for destro/resto when the 10% damage buff was removed from resto staff. My point is I'm now being classed as an exploiter for running the same build I always have. CP and no softcaps have a lot to answer for.

While light armour offers 1/4 of the mitigation of heavy, shield stacking will be necessary against the hardest hitters unless individual shields are buffed. Sure I could spec a bit more into hp and run about with no shields and I'd probably be able to take out a few clueless players, but I would still be wearing light armour and would still have no chance against high dps builds and battle-hardened players. I might play with heavy armour and bound aegis to see what happens but I have a suspicion I will just be a tank with poor dps, regen and penetration. I would like to remain competetive please.

As for this set; well it's a lot to give up just to counter sorcs, and I know that good players know plenty of other counters, so I can't see that many players using it in the long run. Seems like a gimmick or novelty. I can see how it would be attractive to sorc haters though, but to hate sorcs that much you can't be any good so I hope they enjoy the crutch.

Cloak has been broken for over a year, does that make it okay? Shield stacking was not so common a year ago, it's blown up over the last several months to the point it's being heavily relied upon and abused... by 3 out of 4 classes and by Sorcs the absolute worst.

If I put up a shield on my Sorc/DK/Temp, which I do.... it will be 1 shield. Why you MIGHT ask? Well, just because something is commonly being done doesn't mean it is right. It feels like a cheap move to me. It's sad to see how many rely on such nonsense that there is literally 1 DIRECT counter to those shields in the game and the tears are being shed by about 12 people over and over.

As you say shield stacking is necessary versus the hardest hitters all the other shield stackers are talking about how they can no longer deal with a person who uses a shield breaker set while fighting 3 other people!!!!!!!!! The proof that shield stacking is a problem and has been abused to the point it's being recognized as an exploit is all over Youtube and these forums. Shield breaker does nothing but make it a real fight between shield stackers and shield breakers. It's not a guaranteed win unless the shield stacker is inexperienced in actual combat without shields that are almost equal to their entire health.

Here's the thing. Imagine if you could instantly re-apply your health to full over and over and over and over thanks to low cost Magicka and many options to get great magicka regen? That's what it's like with shield stackers.

Refer to the video again and watch that guy take on a whole bunch of people, not from skill, but because his health wouldn't move. Sure they could've done some things better, but his health was always high. That's beyond an exploit, that's ridiculous. I also never do the Twice-Born Star trick, I don't shield stack, and I didn't use Nirnhoned when it was found out to be doing something that we all knew it shouldn't. But that's just me, I like a good fight, not the next easy win which shield stacking has become for a while now and so now here we are.. with a counter like there should've been a long time ago.

This is called balancing and making things right.

mjones433b16_ESO

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Sorcs are mad cause now they need more than 15k health.

my sorc,s got 36000 health in cyr now but only 27000 magic why this is different in pvp to pve I don't now

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mjones433b16_ESO wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Sorcs are mad cause now they need more than 15k health.

my sorc,s got 36000 health in cyr now but only 27000 magic why this is different in pvp to pve I don't now

You get a buff while in Cyrodiil. All players do. Check under your character sheet while in Cyrodiil for "Battle Spirit" and hover your mouse over it.