Shield Breaker - AKA "I win button"

Digiman

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Star trek facepalms got removed but the 2 people bashing each other over multiple pages is not considered derailing lol.

Those facepalms where the only thing bringing humor to this thread and keeping it from imploding!

I was wondering that myself.

Xeniph wrote: »

I particularly enjoyed the mention this set got on todays ESO live. Mostly the part where they said they have no intention of changing it, even with all the outrage.

I don't watch ESO live anymore secifically because this, it's clear now they don't like magicka sorcerers. God I would kill for a class change token. At the very least ZoS with then wonder why there aren't any magicka sorcerers with the new stamina sorcs doing insanely better.

Grats ZoS you broke a class with an armor set. Not many MMO's would do that, but you did.

Wollust wrote: »

I don't really get why sorcs are whining about having no sort of defense? You can go heavy armor like DKs and Templars to mitigate more damage, you can go sword and shield to block more often (even though block took a massive nerf -> do you hear Magicka DKs and others whine about it as much as you do with 1 single set?). You can choose other heals from the resto staff like the classes with no proper self heal do now (basically all but Templars).

But no, you choose to whine. You want to keep the luxury from 1.6, being a full glasscannon, hitting like a truck and only and succesfully relying on your shields. I admit it myself, when I played with my sorc, i really enjoyed it. Everything was so much easier compared to all the other classes (except for Stam NB, personal opinion).
But hey.. it's 1.7 and everyone has to adapt.
I see people justifing it with "there is no stealth detection set". Wth? Go use Magelight, costs you 1 slot (2 if you are to lazy to reactivate it after a weaponswap) and a bit max magicka and the NBs can wrap their cloak up. I'd buy a shieldbreaking skill anytime over an unflexible 5-piece-set that leaves me with nothing but 4 slots for those meh-crafted sets.

You guys do realize that it is the constant QQ about anything and everything that has lead to the s*** IC brought to pvp? But just keep on doing so, ZOS will cater to you guys in the end and will keep on ruining this game.

Since sorcerers were built for magicka ranged and DK's were built for tanking your argument falls short, it's like creating a set negating stealth so NB's can't hide even though the class was built for it. Also I find the Magelight a joke, only the morph effects stealth and that is particularly built around melee and is an expensive toggle that requires to be on all weapon bars to stay up, which is very different from a set that punishes you for trying to survive.

Personally I made my sorcerer to be a DPS caster with staffs, I have 2 pieces of heavy armor and I can tell you my bar has none of the destruction staff skills (Which really requires Lighting to take full advantage) on it because of how weak they are and I am really required to have all more class slots so I can get through PvP. To top it as magicka sorcerer don't have sustainable DPS most of my spells are built around burst set up or pets. (that again require to be on all weapon bars to remain active)

All 3 classes in this game can get around doing damage and surviving on heavy armor and medium. But until recently sorcerer were dependent on cloth to keep there damage up, now your going to see a massive increase in stamina sorcerers tear you apart

Eitherway you proven that you admitted your played a Sorcerer and enjoyed it until recently, which means you stopped playing it because it stopped being fun, claiming it was too easy means you haven't played the class. That I find a down right manipulative lie to make your argument credible or you never played a Sorcerer seriously.

I can tell you playing a sorcerer is incredibly difficult, the only thing I have easier is that I can run away.

Right now Sorcerers are rightly angerier over the Shield breaker set because ZoS forced us into using Shields to survive longer in cloth that is as weak as wet tissue paper and are punishing for forcing them into using this mechanic with this set with UNRESISTIBLE DAMAGE, not added damage to pop the shield faster but damage that bypasses the defense of SPELL RESIST, PHYSICAL DAMAGE REDUCTION AND ARMOR for pure unmitigated damage.

To top it off Shield are incredible weak in PvP barely lasting as long in Single combat as it costs to cast it. So no the set is abusively punishing to particular class.

Stamina sorcs will rise and magicka sorcs will die. That is what this set was set out to do.

Derra

Something that would also work would be to adjust the sets dmg to scale with shields on the target.

500dmg for one shield (let´s be honest there is nothing worth punishing with one shield active and it makes healing ward vaible again).
1500 for two shields
2500 for three shields

Digiman

Derra wrote: »

Something that would also work would be to adjust the sets dmg to scale with shields on the target.

500dmg for one shield (let´s be honest there is nothing worth punishing with one shield active and it makes healing ward vaible again).
1500 for two shields
2500 for three shields

It's irrestiable damage. That's a blank check.

Plus all shields are 50% weaker. Anyone who sticks all there points in magicka is going to die really quick or run out of resources.

It won't discourage shield stacking, because say it with me, only Conjured ward does all damage. Annulment does magical.

The only other people who would have a problem with this combination is other magicka sorcerers.

Finally having 2 shields like this is incredibly limiting for other spells much better suited for damage and survival. At most if you die to shield stacking sorcerer he either outgeared you or had more CP then you.

Which is the same as saying I got killed by a played 10 levels higher then me.

Wollust

@Digiman I don't quite get how quoting works on the mobile phone so I'll just tag you if you don't mind

1. DK built for tanking: I kinda see the point considering some of the passives from their skilllines. But then again, a Magicka DK is a high-damage class not only in pve but also in pvp. Considering the spells they would fall under melee magicka DPS. They just lack the survivability other pvp DPS classes like NB and Sorc have. So your argument of fixed build is kinda not so valid imo. The good thing about this game is that you have the freedom of building whatever you want. Obviously it works different with different classes but it is possible to get them going. The reason most (not all) magicks DKs went heavy armour and tankiness was exactly because of the lack of survivabiity. Not because we enjoy doing mediocre damage and troubling ourselves with sustain. You think only sorcs are troubling, but try for once to take a look at how other classes work. There is not only magicka sorcs in this game if you didn't know so far.

2. I don't get what you are trying to tell me with this.. Crushing Shock has always been a good skill for sorcs with staffs. And every class has a lot of skills they'd like to use but cannot because limited slots. So exactly what is your argument? I don't feel any pity for you having to slot so many abilities. There are always priorities to set.

3. You can argue for cloths on every magicka class if they wanna do decent and sustained damage. Again, not only the sorcs are magicka dps classes. And I do not believe in the massive rise of the stamina sorcs but whatever. Only time will tell.

4. You heavily misunderstood me there, but that is my fault for my wording. My main is a DK, I was (I believe) quite good with it in 1.6. No idea how it will be in 1.7. Anyway, I also played every other class (except for stam sorcs), my sorc being the 2. most played char. The reason I wrote "played" is simple: There is not much pvp going on. I have been farming the sewers since the update hit live, because ZOS wants to make it harder to get geared. This leads to the fact that only my DK is geared, which is the reason I do not play my sorc (and all other chars). Not because of a stupid set. So do not try to tell me I am being manipulative and a Liar. Plus whatever you mean with seriously? I think everyone is serious in pvp because they want to win?
Well I found it easier to play the sorc successfully but that is a personal thing. I also had a lot of help from one of the strongest sorcs around.

I still don't get the massive upset about one single set that is limited to medium armor users and that limits your build possibilities heavily.

Back to topic, i agree with @Derra that the shieldbreaker should work kinda different. Giving 2k boost per light attack directly into the health is a lot considering how much the damage got nerfed. But then again you have to ask yourself: If the damage of the sets gets reduced to nothing, what will it bring to the mindset of a sorc? The reason people wanted sorcs to be punished is imo simple: they can endlessly cast hardened ward and (almost) nothing could burst through it with one hit. I'd be fine with it giving (if not even more than) 2k damage per light attack but then directly on the shields, not health and with it not working on the healthpool at all. I think this to be an appropriate way of dealing with it and letting it live up to its name.

I never had any problems with sorcs casting their doubleshield (I did it myself obviously, because why not?), but for a lot and especially the more casual-style players it was a bother which lead to much QQ and stuff. Now they (the sorcs) get punished equally as every other class for being too good for random players I guess. Would be the answer for me for all the nerfs to rolldodge, block, streak and whatever more, and this is just sad.

killingspreeb16_ESO

Derra wrote: »

Something that would also work would be to adjust the sets dmg to scale with shields on the target.

500dmg for one shield (let´s be honest there is nothing worth punishing with one shield active and it makes healing ward vaible again).
1500 for two shields
2500 for three shields

Well that's can be a good idea,sorc who want to shieldstack well be more in danger against shieldbreaker,but the build that rely only in one shield won't suffer much from it.

monkeymystic

Sorc without a shieldbreaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

Mordenkainen

[quote="Wollust;2242607"
I never had any problems with sorcs casting their doubleshield (I did it myself obviously, because why not?), but for a lot and especially the more casual-style players it was a bother which lead to much QQ and stuff. Now they (the sorcs) get punished equally as every other class for being too good for random players I guess. Would be the answer for me for all the nerfs to rolldodge, block, streak and whatever more, and this is just sad.[/quote]

Not to step on your toes there, but calling a player automatically 'good' for putting everything into magicka and pressing two buttons to be immortal, is far from good.

There's this other thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215650/why-do-sorcs-refuse-to-think-outside-the-box#latest

I have to give the OP of it right. A friend of mine, who plays a sorcerer, went stamina and is having the fun of her life, wrecking people left and right, while running around with 25k health, 30k even in Cyrodiil. Some funny guy with the shield breaker set is the least of her concerns. I am fairly certain this also works with magicka builds. Seen my fair share of heavy armor sorcs doing alright for that matter.

I really don't see the problem with the set.

Derra

monkeymystic wrote: »

Sorc without a shieldbreaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

No one tries to get rid of it without balancing shields. It´s simply the current implementation that is - not well thought out.

Kh0ll

Mordenkainen wrote: »

I really don't see the problem with the set.

Hit 1k instead of 2.5k.
Add a CD 4 seconds between procs.

Me either so I see no problem with this set.

If accumulated shields is a problem we must work on two shields that are not class: skill light armor and restoration stick.
Skill light armor is top for the regen magicka.
The interest of skill light armor is sustain magicka.
Healing ward...

Sorry this is not my native language.

VincentBlanquin

Dracane where are you? i have shield breaker set and you are nowhere to find. still thornblade? dont you quit?

BalticBlues

monkeymystic wrote: »

Sorc without a shieldbreaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

Certainly not. At least not against another Sorc.

monkeymystic wrote: »

NB without a cloak breaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

Fixed it for you. Ask new players how they feel in PVP about NBs with endless cloaking. Result: NBs with endless cloaking mean terror for new players, because they cannot avoid them. On the other hand, shielded sorcs glowing like Christmas trees can be avoided easily by new players.

btw: I made a suggestion for a more balance shield/cloak breaker set here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2245517/#Comment_2245517

Sharee

BalticBlues wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Sorc without a shieldbreaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

Certainly not. At least not against another Sorc.

monkeymystic wrote: »

NB without a cloak breaker set in the game as a counter = I win button class against everything.

Fixed it for you. Ask new players how they feel in PVP about NBs with endless cloaking. Result: NBs with endless cloaking mean terror for new players, because they cannot avoid them. On the other hand, shielded sorcs glowing like Christmas trees can be avoided easily by new players.

I would very much like to see a new player successfully get away from a sorc who decided to kill the newbie.

chevalierknight

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Star trek facepalms got removed but the 2 people bashing each other over multiple pages is not considered derailing lol.

Those facepalms where the only thing bringing humor to this thread and keeping it from imploding!

Yeh naming and shaming is fine john luke no no no

chevalierknight

Digiman wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Something that would also work would be to adjust the sets dmg to scale with shields on the target.

500dmg for one shield (let´s be honest there is nothing worth punishing with one shield active and it makes healing ward vaible again).
1500 for two shields
2500 for three shields

It's irrestiable damage. That's a blank check.

Plus all shields are 50% weaker. Anyone who sticks all there points in magicka is going to die really quick or run out of resources.

It won't discourage shield stacking, because say it with me, only Conjured ward does all damage. Annulment does magical.

The only other people who would have a problem with this combination is other magicka sorcerers.

Finally having 2 shields like this is incredibly limiting for other spells much better suited for damage and survival. At most if you die to shield stacking sorcerer he either outgeared you or had more CP then you.

Which is the same as saying I got killed by a played 10 levels higher then me.

And magic nightblades magic dks magic templars but sure ONLY magic sorcerers what ever you say

BalticBlues

Sharee wrote: »

/quote]I would very much like to see a new player successfully get away from a sorc who decided to kill the newbie.

It is certainly easier for a new player not to get near to a Christmas tree Sorc than to defend against an NB that instakills after stunning from cloak. The newbie players in our house have been terrified by NBs the first time they played PVP, and their biggest concern still is how to protect against NBs. The newbie players so far have been doing this with shields, but because of the shield breaker set newbies now become even easier targets.

Dear devs, please realize:
The Shield Breaker set also is a Newbie Breaker set.

The long lasting consequences of this set for the player base can be devastating.
Newbies do not come here to complain. They simply quit the game...

Sharee

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

/quote]I would very much like to see a new player successfully get away from a sorc who decided to kill the newbie.

It is certainly easier for a new player not to get near to a Christmas tree Sorc than to defend against an NB that instakills after stunning from cloak.

You realize that any class can surprise stun the newbie from stealth and instakill him, without need for cloak, right?

Septimus_Magna

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The unresistable shield, armor and battlespirit penetrating arrows will blot out the sun.

They also tickle. Don't forget the tickle.

With 4K DPS it takes over 6 seconds to kill someone with 25K HP, and that assumes he's just standing there like a target dummy.

You are so disingenuous and spiteful. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a noob with Shield Breaker is not a problem. A Sorc 1v1 fighting a competent player will be destroyed every single time.

Tell me how vigor, a stamina skill, is far better than anything in the Restoration Staff skill line? You have cloak and you can still block and dodge roll with your superior stamina pool and regeneration. You have the highest damage abilities in the game (stamina), and the best heal in the game barring one Templar ability.

LA Sorcs have shields. No stamina. No armor. No heals. Get over yourself. It is crystal clear that you and everyone else supporting this set is butthurt from 1.6.

Maybe you werent as good at Magicka Sorc as you thought, mate. Most of us old-schoolers that played Sorc since launch or the first few months of the game.... didnt jump on the FOTM bandwagon, actually made our own builds and didnt rely on a couple youtube champs to theorycraft for us...

Oh who am i kidding, youre just plain wrong. I literally just finished gearing my EP sorc yesterday, shared the build with GoS and fully expect Magicka Sorc to be a staple of group play for a very very long time.

Or do you mean the part where a triple shield stacking double mundus overloadbarbug engine guardian trash sorc from 1.6 cant bunny hop around and taunt everyone to tickle them while they bolt around over 1000 times being completely useless but also completely annoying?

I know you were one of those, I remember it quite well. Perhaps this is why youre upset. Did you not notice how all of your trash FOTM brethren also disappeared, whereas the rest of us that actually know how to play the class stuck it out? Whaa whaa, no more i-win guaranteed cant die builds while i trollz u lulz, blahblah.

I adapt, you perish. This shieldbreaker set you speak of, has never once appeared in any death recap (and i die a lot mate, being a suicide bomber build for an organized guild leads to a TON of focus fire, that and my reputation precedes me)

At the end of the day, why am I doing fine? inb4 you call me a bad scrub or something, when clearly you dont see me complaining about the new bowtard toy.

Maybe its because I never relied on exploits to build a sorc... not that im necessarily accusing you or anything...

Shieldbreaker isnt a problem in groups because the chance is very small someone will specifically single target light attack you. Exploits can also be taken out of account because they have been fixed (ie dubble mundus and overload toggle) and the classes shouldnt be balance based on how strong some cheaters are.

The fact that shieldbreaker procs dont appear on your death recaps is hardly an argument, we see enough screenshots with ONLY 6 shieldbreaker procs, not a single different damage ability, just light attacks because this set makes them OP against sorcs. This sets removes the need to do a skill rotation because the damage is higher if you spam light attacks, it does not take any skill to spam light attacks rapidly so why would it the damage be so high and unavoidable for sorcs?

Its perfectly fine to create a counter to shield stacking but this is clearly over the top, a normally weak light attack is transformed into unresistable damage that has zero drawbacks as it comes to skills, gear and/or CPs allocation of the user.

For sorcs to survive (but not counter) one single set they need to slot different skills, use different gear and respec CPs. Thats are huge consequences only to survive one set. Meanwhile sorcs dont have a choice if they want to use shields, they are forced to use shields if they want to survive because its the only useful defensive sorc ability.

If you compare the pros and cons objectively the only logical conclusion is that this set is OP against sorcs. We're basically playing rock-paper-scissors, where shieldbreaker is rock and sorcs can only choose scissors. The issue would be totally different if sorcs would have a reliable class heal and could choose paper but this is not the case.

P.S.
LOL at suicide bomber play style, I see people try that every day but they always fail because the burst is never enough with the recent damage reduction in Cyrodiil.

Lava_Croft

At least we can all agree that the Shield Breaker set is a very good example of a ZOSolution?

CP5

Lava_Croft wrote: »

At least we can all agree that the Shield Breaker set is a very good example of a ZOSolution?

Yep, and I expect they'll do this more.

wraith808

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

No *** captain obvious. We're already running builds specifically to counter night blades and dragon knights and templars, oh my! Now we should squeeze more *** into our 10 slots? We can't.

Your post is not helpful.

neither is your whining all over the forums because you can't win.

LOL I tell you what there Makkir. Bring your super secret Stork build on over to my house and I'll make you look stupid. We'll post it on youtube for all the world to see. Name the time and the place.

Why are you talking trash to someone?

ThisOnePosts

LMAO @ the desperation. You even have one person a few posts up pulling out all stops now saying it will deter players from the game. AHAHHAHAHAHAA. NO. What will deter players from the game is no way to stop shield stacking and on the flip side of things, not allowing people to use shields however they want to.

So enter: a 5 pc bonus set that can counter it with a very easy solution (not spamming shields while fighting said person).

Whenever I am on my character which has this set, I am RARELY finding shield stackers who don't immediately stop spamming shields. Sure there are some, that's called LEARN 2 PLAY. When I'm on my Sorc, I have ZERO issues with the set as I don't spam shields.

Maybe try this : Max out each character class and spend a good amount of time in end-game PVE content as well as PVP. Then you will have a better understanding as to how everything in this game has a counter/easy tell sign, but there really is not much that can be done about shield stacking (except other shield stacking in a painfully boring fight) until they released this set .

ZOS, ADD MORE. 1 5 pcs bonus set is not enough. There need to be multiple ways to counter it. And hey, at least they are adding instead of taking away. They could've made it so that you can't have shields without a CD any longer and no more stacking of shields. Be happy that there's only 1 counter in the game, although in all fairness.. there should be more; but it's a great start.

BalticBlues

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Whenever I am on my character which has this set,
I am RARELY finding shield stackers who don't immediately stop spamming shields.

You also should see that shields now are useless against you, no matter how many shields are applied. Instead of preventing only shield spamming, the SB set interdicts all shielding.

Shields now are causing unresistable damage instead of protection, making them not only useless but dangerous . With this approach, ZOS crippled all shield skills of all classes, no matter if single or stacked. Shields will be dying in PVP. I wonder what you would say if cloaking would also become dangerous to use, because a Cloak Breaker set would cause unresistable damage on cloaking?

Lava_Croft

If you read this thread, you'd think everybody is running around with Shield Breaker and it's a huge problem.
In reality however, I have not been killed by it since the launch of Cracked Wood City.

Where are all these people sporting Shield Breaker?

wraith808

The only thing I think needs to be done to make it a little more balanced is to remove the unresistable tag.

But I still think all of these shield breaker threads are hilarious in the wake of what people were saying at first, i.e.

Shield Breaker Set is Worthless

ToRelax

wraith808 wrote: »

The only thing I think needs to be done to make it a little more balanced is to remove the unresistable tag.

But I still think all of these shield breaker threads are hilarious in the wake of what people were saying at first, i.e.

Shield Breaker Set is Worthless

Idk what people said about it - it always looked like a lazy approach to me, but I didn't worry for two reasons:

1.) The damage was so low that you were able to outheal it with Rapid Regen + Healing Ward Spam.
2.) Since that was before the new jewelry sets got buffed on PTS: You would also lose a set bonus to get the 5 piece bonus of Shieldbreaker.

Sharee

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Whenever I am on my character which has this set,
I am RARELY finding shield stackers who don't immediately stop spamming shields.

Shields now are causing unresistable damage instead of protection, making them not only useless but dangerous

That's nonsense. If you didn't use that shield, you'd be taking far more damage, even from someone using shieldbreaker.

Against someone with shieldbreaker, shields are still useful, because he can only hit you for 2K damage per hit, instead of 5K-8K damage per hit. You just aren't completely untouchable anymore.

thelordoffelines

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LMAO @ the desperation. You even have one person a few posts up pulling out all stops now saying it will deter players from the game. AHAHHAHAHAHAA. NO. What will deter players from the game is no way to stop shield stacking and on the flip side of things, not allowing people to use shields however they want to.

So enter: a 5 pc bonus set that can counter it with a very easy solution (not spamming shields while fighting said person).

Whenever I am on my character which has this set, I am RARELY finding shield stackers who don't immediately stop spamming shields. Sure there are some, that's called LEARN 2 PLAY. When I'm on my Sorc, I have ZERO issues with the set as I don't spam shields.

Maybe try this : Max out each character class and spend a good amount of time in end-game PVE content as well as PVP. Then you will have a better understanding as to how everything in this game has a counter/easy tell sign, but there really is not much that can be done about shield stacking (except other shield stacking in a painfully boring fight) until they released this set .

ZOS, ADD MORE. 1 5 pcs bonus set is not enough. There need to be multiple ways to counter it. And hey, at least they are adding instead of taking away. They could've made it so that you can't have shields without a CD any longer and no more stacking of shields. Be happy that there's only 1 counter in the game, although in all fairness.. there should be more; but it's a great start.

Ok you say stop spamming shields when your fighting someone with shield breaker. Now let me explain why this suggestion is idiotic and proves how little about be game you know and how biased towards your class (nighblade probably) you are. If i stop spamming shields and that person isnt an idiot then ill die. Im much less scared of his 2k light attacks than his 8k suprise attacks. Resto staff heals are *** now. In order to stack enough HoTs in order to outdo shield breaker i would need every HoT in the resto skill line to almost out heal shield breaker. Blessing of restoration can barley out heal it but then it comes down to me spamming blessing of restoration and him spammimg light attacks. Which do you think is more sustainable? And finally, one persom with shieldbreaker isnt a problem. Three people one of which bas shield breaker is. How do i deal with that? I dont; i die. Any other class would be able to win if they were skilled. Any other class, i have seen it (yes in this patch). An nb would be able to win. A dk would be able to tank them and possibly win. A templar could do it. But sorcs arent allowed to do it because one button spam>skill.

_adhyffbjjjf12

^^ no if you didn't use that shield you would be taking 2k less unmitigated damage per second. If you don't use shields you have no form of heal spam or medium or heavy armor level or mitigation, catch 22 unless the new design for ranged magic is 'runaway' every 5 seconds.

imasnowchainub17_ESO

thelordoffelines wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

LMAO @ the desperation. You even have one person a few posts up pulling out all stops now saying it will deter players from the game. AHAHHAHAHAHAA. NO. What will deter players from the game is no way to stop shield stacking and on the flip side of things, not allowing people to use shields however they want to.

So enter: a 5 pc bonus set that can counter it with a very easy solution (not spamming shields while fighting said person).

Whenever I am on my character which has this set, I am RARELY finding shield stackers who don't immediately stop spamming shields. Sure there are some, that's called LEARN 2 PLAY. When I'm on my Sorc, I have ZERO issues with the set as I don't spam shields.

Maybe try this : Max out each character class and spend a good amount of time in end-game PVE content as well as PVP. Then you will have a better understanding as to how everything in this game has a counter/easy tell sign, but there really is not much that can be done about shield stacking (except other shield stacking in a painfully boring fight) until they released this set .

ZOS, ADD MORE. 1 5 pcs bonus set is not enough. There need to be multiple ways to counter it. And hey, at least they are adding instead of taking away. They could've made it so that you can't have shields without a CD any longer and no more stacking of shields. Be happy that there's only 1 counter in the game, although in all fairness.. there should be more; but it's a great start.

Ok you say stop spamming shields when your fighting someone with shield breaker. Now let me explain why this suggestion is idiotic and proves how little about be game you know and how biased towards your class (nighblade probably) you are. If i stop spamming shields and that person isnt an idiot then ill die. Im much less scared of his 2k light attacks than his 8k suprise attacks. Resto staff heals are *** now. In order to stack enough HoTs in order to outdo shield breaker i would need every HoT in the resto skill line to almost out heal shield breaker. Blessing of restoration can barley out heal it but then it comes down to me spamming blessing of restoration and him spammimg light attacks. Which do you think is more sustainable? And finally, one persom with shieldbreaker isnt a problem. Three people one of which bas shield breaker is. How do i deal with that? I dont; i die. Any other class would be able to win if they were skilled. Any other class, i have seen it (yes in this patch). An nb would be able to win. A dk would be able to tank them and possibly win. A templar could do it. But sorcs arent allowed to do it because one button spam>skill.

So you think you're suppose to survive 3 people beating on you? How about trying another class to see how squishy we all are. At least for you to die in a 3v1 they have to be wearing a specific set. Not all of us are use to living forever against a small army by spamming a few shields while barely sacrificing any offensive power.

_adhyffbjjjf12

No sorcerer will survive a 3v1 where the 3 are decent players. Cc sorcerer, dead. If you let him spam shield more fool you. What's the difference between that and a group of 3 allowing a plate armor player to spam shields?