1.3 Massive nerf to DKs. No range abilities, and now Talons is 100% useless in PvP = kite all DKs.

pitdemon_ESO

The OP/Low skill DKs



Everyone Else

Tankqull

as you can´t kite a dragonknight (uh that rhymed) as all he´s doing is saying thx for your free aps - the whole thread is flawed from the beginning.

Illuvatarr

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Quit your crying. I use Daedric Tomb religiously as one of a few ways to actually beat DK's and stop gap closing. The root component of this spell which keeps DK's off of me has been nerfed with this change; just like your root. You aren't the only class in this game; although a lot of DK's arrogantly believe so.

I support this change and will have to adapt as finally, at long last, DK's are being brought down to the levels of the other classes. Working as intended. Roll a nightblade and feel true pain if you don't like it.

Oh trust me I'm rolling a NB as we speak. You can keep saying how NBs are weak or broken, it suits me just fine. Clearly you haven't been paying attention

If anything, NB's need a boost. If you have damage shields combined with harness magicka (and you block) NB's run out of steam fast and its just clean up time. If you intend to spam funnel health, I wouldn't rely on it. I have a strong feeling it will get nerfed.

MeowGinger

magnusnet wrote: »

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

Now they must use all 12 slot ability like the other classes and they cry on forum

I don't even know what those templars that just stand there with 10 enemies around them and are full health & take 3/4 of my HP are doing but I bet it doesn't involve 12 skills either.

How is this happening? I don't believe this. Please post proof. I'd LOVE to be able to take on more than 2 players at my level without dying.

Varicite

Syndy wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Syndy wrote: »

So roots and snares(?), now having an immunity timer like every other CC in the game has broken your class?

Um.... Ok...

monkeymystic wrote: »

This is also a big nerf to ESO PVP overall, since roots in the game like encase, talons etc was part of the pvp tactics when playing against other raids.

Literally every strategy against other raids is, DK run in hit talons, drop Standard, and everyone spam Impulse, while the DK spams Talons... Throw in an oil pot and you have a party...

That, in my opinion was one of the biggest problems with the PvP, there was literally no strategy involved it is all about clustering up and spamming roots and impulse...

This is a good change, should make people use more ST abilities and hopefully get rid of some of the mindless AoE spam.

That is a strategy. You just stopped calling it that when you couldn't figure out how to counter it. Very soon your going to see some very interesting combinations with Magma Armor and when you cant figure it out, youll moan about what a no brainer strat it is. Chew on this for a while, everyone in this game doing pvp has 1 or 2 buttons that they are pressing more than the others. There is your big mental midget strategy.

Chew on this for a while, Roots have an immunity timer now, so raids need a new mental midget strategy. Roots not having an immunity from the start was bad design.

Roots don't have an immunity timer. Roots don't grant immunity, to my understanding.

Being hard CC'd (stun, mez, fear, knockdown, knockback, pull, etc) grants immunity. Using Break Free grants immunity.

Roots don't give immunity. Dodge rolls don't give immunity.

The only thing that has changed is that you can't stun somebody and then spam roots on them. But you can spam roots on people still as long as they aren't CC immune from Break Free or a hard CC.

Cogo

Marru wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

But no more vampires killing 50 people in 1 blow! Hehe.

Typical nerfed DK response. Stop blaming everything else.

If you are going to reply to my post and insult me, at least read my post first.
I am saying this was not a NERF. This was a FIX.

AE root + AE Debuff was a bit to strong in PvP, so I understand the "fix".

WHO am I blaming? Vampires killing 50 people in 1 blow was an example of balance issues that we do not really have now.

Before you insult someone, learn to read will ye....

Maulkin

Illuvatarr wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Quit your crying. I use Daedric Tomb religiously as one of a few ways to actually beat DK's and stop gap closing. The root component of this spell which keeps DK's off of me has been nerfed with this change; just like your root. You aren't the only class in this game; although a lot of DK's arrogantly believe so.

I support this change and will have to adapt as finally, at long last, DK's are being brought down to the levels of the other classes. Working as intended. Roll a nightblade and feel true pain if you don't like it.

Oh trust me I'm rolling a NB as we speak. You can keep saying how NBs are weak or broken, it suits me just fine. Clearly you haven't been paying attention

If anything, NB's need a boost. If you have damage shields combined with harness magicka (and you block) NB's run out of steam fast and its just clean up time. If you intend to spam funnel health, I wouldn't rely on it. I have a strong feeling it will get nerfed.

Whatever you say buddy....

In the mean time I play on EU megaserver. The highest rank PvP player is QuickyRa who is a NB. On my side (AD) most of the high ranked players who are not part of Zergs are NBs.

Meanwhile in PvE, a group called "The Baby Faced Bananas" have the World Record times on Hel Ra (8'8'') and AA (8'45''). They had 6 out of 12 players being NBs. One of their NB DPSs hit 1.6k DPS on Varlariel, the 3rd whispmother boss that is the DPS check. Yesterday the world's first completion of Hard Mode Trials was done by an American group called Dafunq, with 7 NBs in the squad.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124287/dafunk-world-first-kill-aa-hard-mode-7-nightblades

Keep telling me how NBs need buffs, while I'm levelling my NB. It's music to my ears.

Illuvatarr

I don't care about pve trials. I care about pvp. NB's are decent in pvp.

Vis

To the op, it's called scales. Enjoy.

Maulkin

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I don't care about pve trials. I care about pvp. NB's are decent in pvp.

I don't care what you care about.

So long as you keep saying on these forums that NBs need buffs, you're my new best buddy. Keep it up...

CapuchinSeven

This is currently my new fave thread.

Baphomet

CC breaking is only supposed to make you immune to the same type of CC for five second, not all CCs.

Not surprised that Zenimax implements a crappy system like this new one.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

so much QQ

Lyrro

Oh no... I guess you'll just have to learn how to actually play your character and think before you act in pvp now if you want to pvp. Rather than running into large mobs of players and spamming roots/impulse/banner, Zenimax is actually going to make you think. How dare they >. >

Varicite

Lyrro wrote: »

Rather than running into large mobs of players and spamming roots/impulse/banner

You can still do this...

Zershar_Vemod

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

So wait you're crying because you can no longer permaroot/stun people and murderface anymore?


Welcome to balance

+ 1 internet

Illuvatarr

Maybe NB's need a nerf in pve. Shrug. Let someone else worry about that. Class is right about average in pvp.

semp3rfi

I cant stand bandwagon gamers. "Wahh my class has been nerfed! *shelved. ima play the next fotm cookie cutter OP build"..

Its a cc nerf, cc is bad. This is a good thing fir the game, or would be if it worked.

Maulkin

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Maybe NB's need a nerf in pve. Shrug. Let someone else worry about that. Class is right about average in pvp.

I agree they need a serious buff for PvP. Why are we even arguing buddy, we're in full agreement here?

semp3rfi wrote: »

I cant stand bandwagon gamers. "Wahh my class has been nerfed! *shelved. ima play the next fotm cookie cutter OP build"..

Its a cc nerf, cc is bad. This is a good thing fir the game, or would be if it worked.

Meh...why do I care what you think.

• If you play an underpowered class and ask for balance you're a QQer, somebody who needs to l2p.
• If you defend your class's skills you're deluded and enjoying god mode.
• If instead of moaning you roll with the punches and play what suits your purposes, you're a bandwagon gamer.

Damned whatever you do.... stopped caring.

I have a v12 DK and v12 Sorc and currently power-levelling a NB. If the Templar gets buffed beyond normal levels I'll roll one of them too. I enjoy the different classes and different play styles anyway. It's something new for me to try while PvP is broken due to the latest patch. I also learn how each class plays and how to counter it. Win win situation...

Ghostbane

MAH TALONS!

<logs in>

WTB VAMP BITE

Thechemicals

Syndy wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Syndy wrote: »

So roots and snares(?), now having an immunity timer like every other CC in the game has broken your class?

Um.... Ok...

monkeymystic wrote: »

This is also a big nerf to ESO PVP overall, since roots in the game like encase, talons etc was part of the pvp tactics when playing against other raids.

Literally every strategy against other raids is, DK run in hit talons, drop Standard, and everyone spam Impulse, while the DK spams Talons... Throw in an oil pot and you have a party...

That, in my opinion was one of the biggest problems with the PvP, there was literally no strategy involved it is all about clustering up and spamming roots and impulse...

This is a good change, should make people use more ST abilities and hopefully get rid of some of the mindless AoE spam.

That is a strategy. You just stopped calling it that when you couldn't figure out how to counter it. Very soon your going to see some very interesting combinations with Magma Armor and when you cant figure it out, youll moan about what a no brainer strat it is. Chew on this for a while, everyone in this game doing pvp has 1 or 2 buttons that they are pressing more than the others. There is your big mental midget strategy.

Where did I say I didn't know how to counter it? Thanks for assuming you know me and what I know or don't know about the game.

Magma armor is an Ult, so comparing a strategy to use against it versus a spammable root that granted no immunity is not possible...

Chew on this for a while, Roots have an immunity timer now, so raids need a new mental midget strategy. Roots not having an immunity from the start was bad design.

I guess it is hard for me to swallow that playing follow the leader pressing, at max, 2 buttons is strategy to you... That's cool, to each his own, IMO, that is not strategy, that is mindless play.

You should get on a teamspeak sometime and actually listen to what impulse groups are doing. Don't even try to say you have, because saying something like "mindless play" is the exact opposite of what they are doing.

Ive run in impulse groups and they are doing a lot more than what you think they are doing. Sometimes the are only a one group within 2-3 other raid groups, kinda like an assault team. That's something people with tactics and planning like to call Strategy. Check it out sometime.

Maulkin

Ghostbane wrote: »

MAH TALONS!

<logs in>

WTB VAMP BITE

Don't forget to get Caltrops too. Only CC unaffected by all these changes.

Activate Igneous Weapons, put on Fragmented Shield, activate Annulment, throw Caltrops, go Invis Batswarm, spam Impulse, collect AP

Although it works even better with a Sorc: streak, hardened ward, crit surge etc.

Edit: And immovable, never forget immovable

NerfEverything

Delicious DK tears...

But seriously, look at OP's post history. Every patch he makes one of these trolling posts claiming DKs are completely broken and unplayable. I am surprised people even take him seriously anymore.

DKs are fine.

david.haypreub18_ESO

DKs are indeed fine, since it seems the patch has not only not solved the stunlock problem, but made it worse. See:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/124483/cc-immunity-not-working-stun-root-still-perma-stuns-with-no-way-to-break-free#latest

Cody

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Quit your crying. I use Daedric Tomb religiously as one of a few ways to actually beat DK's and stop gap closing. The root component of this spell which keeps DK's off of me has been nerfed with this change; just like your root. You aren't the only class in this game; although a lot of DK's arrogantly believe so.

I support this change and will have to adapt as finally, at long last, DK's are being brought down to the levels of the other classes. Working as intended. Roll a nightblade and feel true pain if you don't like it.

Oh trust me I'm rolling a NB as we speak. You can keep saying how NBs are weak or broken, it suits me just fine. Clearly you haven't been paying attention

I also play a NB. been doing it since beta, and I can tell you, it still needs some work. half the abilities are still useless, and or bugged. yeah they can do good sneak damage, but have you ever tried your NB in straight up combat? I suggest you do, or when you get spotted, instead of running, try to stay and fight. unless you are just really good at the game, you will likely die.

kieso

Less QQ, more PEW PEW!

Raash

When and where is the big funeral of all the fallen DK heroes? In imperial city? Heard Sarah Brightman will be singing "time to say goodbye", gonna be so epic

Noshiz

Raash wrote: »

When and where is the big funeral of all the fallen DK heroes? In imperial city? Heard Sarah Brightman will be singing "time to say goodbye", gonna be so epic

You sir.. won the internet! Congratulations!

Syndy

Thechemicals wrote: »

You should get on a teamspeak sometime and actually listen to what impulse groups are doing. Don't even try to say you have, because saying something like "mindless play" is the exact opposite of what they are doing.

Ive run in impulse groups and they are doing a lot more than what you think they are doing. Sometimes the are only a one group within 2-3 other raid groups, kinda like an assault team. That's something people with tactics and planning like to call Strategy. Check it out sometime.

I'll pass, I prefer sit in Vent with my 3-6 man and watch all the zerglings impulse spam each other to death. Small groups require strategy and tactics along with amazing communication.

Using numbers and spamming PBAoE with no targets called, just following one person is not exactly what I would call a Strategy, that is what I call Follow the Leader.

I have not been in a group of over 8 people in PvP in ESO... Just because I am not in the group or not in TS with them, does not mean I do not understand what I see repeated every fight. I have been part of these types of groups in other AvA games, I know what they are like, and how much strategy is involved in them. It's not for me, I do not like that play style. To each his own.

ProfGoat

OP, you mad bro? DK class has been far beyond over powered since day one. Its about time they were nerfed. Stop QQing.