1.3 Massive nerf to DKs. No range abilities, and now Talons is 100% useless in PvP = kite all DKs.

MonkeyAssassin24

Did anyone else not even have to look at who posted this to know who it was?

Crying that DK's got nerfed
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If only there was a portion of your rant that claimed how OP Templars are you would be 3/3

Oh wait...you already made a thread about that...

Lynx7386

Well, DK's kept chiming in on all of the talons/grip/banner OP threads saying "yea but we have to be in range, just kite us!"

Now we can.

Cogo

I was thinking something similar....cant you fight without root?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Obscure wrote: »

This VR12 DK approves.

Good riddance to scrubs giving my class a bad name. What, you have to learn to play the game now? Forgive me if I fail to empathize. L2P or GTFO.

Ditto. Ive been running with many underdog skills, like carve lol, just trying to make them work somehow and sometimes they do.

That Invasion-Talons-Standard-talons-talons-talons was loser tactic. Glad people will be forced to use some other skills for a change.

Still some spam garbage to fix tho, like impulse and funnel health, and now the newly added blazing shield lol.

xMovingTarget

I saw Monkey and stopped reading.

Gaëloup

Thanks ZOS

coryevans_3b14_ESO

I hate to do this but I'm afraid it is necessary in this case. L2P.

semp3rfi

So you are one of those pvpers that can only kill with overwhelming cc.

Time to adapt and learn something

Dominoid

Awe . . . No OP love. Good. That was a stupid mechanic.

prototypefb

so ZENI fixes 1 broken skill, and suddenly so much emotions? DK still have 1 OP skill(thank god little bit broken, or wrong tooltip?) and range of powerfull skills to thrive in pve/pvp so no biggie, hopefully we'll see more superstealth speedy assasin NB going rite in DKs faces now, or maybe some new stamina based melees?

Kos

Thanks ZOS

semp3rfi

also melee only class?? LOL

ExiledKhallisi

http://gph.is/1qQOXq8

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

This VR12 DK approves.

Good riddance to scrubs giving my class a bad name. What, you have to learn to play the game now? Forgive me if I fail to empathize. L2P or GTFO.

Ditto. Ive been running with many underdog skills, like carve lol, just trying to make them work somehow and sometimes they do.

That Invasion-Talons-Standard-talons-talons-talons was loser tactic. Glad people will be forced to use some other skills for a change.

Still some spam garbage to fix tho, like impulse and funnel health, and now the newly added blazing shield lol.

while funnel health (or swallow soul for me) is fairly effective I'm not sure it needs to be nerfed. The damage itself isn't going to one shot you and it doesn't lock you where you can't gap close to the person and take them out. It's a nice ability, but hardly overpowered.

If anything, when I have it slotted I feel weaker because I usually am running a heal spec and just spamming that for damage kills people way slower than the crits I would be getting from my other class skills.

joshisanonymous

Who here has actually tried this out to see how it really works? What I see in the patch notes is:

Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control.

To me, that means you gain immunity in the exact same way that you always have, but the immunity will block roots and snares now. In other words, if you get rooted, you dodge to get out of that, you don't "Break Free," so you don't gain immunity, so you don't become immune to another root. You also can't get out of snares at all. You also don't gain automatic immunity to roots or snares after they fade.

If I'm reading this right, it's really a pretty minor change. It just increases the value of breaking out of stuns, but doesn't stop roots and snares from still being pretty effective. But it would be nice if someone who's tried it out could comment on how it actually works.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

This VR12 DK approves.

Good riddance to scrubs giving my class a bad name. What, you have to learn to play the game now? Forgive me if I fail to empathize. L2P or GTFO.

Ditto. Ive been running with many underdog skills, like carve lol, just trying to make them work somehow and sometimes they do.

That Invasion-Talons-Standard-talons-talons-talons was loser tactic. Glad people will be forced to use some other skills for a change.

Still some spam garbage to fix tho, like impulse and funnel health, and now the newly added blazing shield lol.

while funnel health (or swallow soul for me) is fairly effective I'm not sure it needs to be nerfed. The damage itself isn't going to one shot you and it doesn't lock you where you can't gap close to the person and take them out. It's a nice ability, but hardly overpowered.

If anything, when I have it slotted I feel weaker because I usually am running a heal spec and just spamming that for damage kills people way slower than the crits I would be getting from my other class skills.

I mean spamability. Too many skills like talons use to be are 1 button'ers. I've gotten killed by a nightstick that did nothing but funnel health and that was all that was on my recap, each for over 650 damage. It just lacks the need for skill to have that 1 ability you can hit multiple times and win.

arkansas_ESO

Cogo wrote: »

I was thinking something similar....cant you fight without root?

Not trying to QQ, but Talons is a cornerstone DK ability. 95% of the DK class skills are short ranged, and keeping your target within range is key to playing a DK. One of the DK's heals, Flame Lash, is entirely dependent on CCing your opponent in some way. On the bright side, DKs still have Reflective Scales, which should hopefully help DKs fight kiting.

On another note, I see this as sort of a stealth buff to NBs. The only CC without immunity are snares, and NB's Cripple is a great snare.

frankuguzzb16_ESO

Finally.

Arsenic_Touch

How cute. Another change that affects all classes but it's the dks that cry about it. haha. How did you expect them to ignore perm rooting? it was ridiculous.

AdamusStonefist

I'm a DK and to be honest I never used the skill all that much even after the last patch that nerfed the range on Talons. There are plenty of good AOE's in Destro and other skill lines. Use DK's toughness to survive (Coag blood, spiked armor) and then strategize on doing damage with the other skill trees like any other class. Just because 1 stun is nerfed it doesn't ruin the class.

Selodaoc

Is the knockdown + talon while beeing knockdowned = permaknockdowned exploit still there?

joshisanonymous

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

On another note, I see this as sort of a stealth buff to NBs. The only CC without immunity are snares, and NB's Cripple is a great snare.

It's not, really. Not if you wanna use Cloak. It's the only DoT that still breaks Cloak.

jelliedsoup

Zos I'm not sure if you're aware of this but nerfs to dks will put them on par with other classes. Don't make me quit my dk, cos I will if you don't buff them back to where you intended.

jelliedsoup

Obscure wrote: »

This VR12 DK approves.

Good riddance to scrubs giving my class a bad name. What, you have to learn to play the game now? Forgive me if I fail to empathize. L2P or GTFO.

Lol a dk? Oh tell me about how your NB kites dks again with aoe?

Troponin

Resistances/immunities should always be separate though. Each CC should have its own DR.

MeowGinger

lol

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

Did anyone else not even have to look at who posted this to know who it was?

Crying that DK's got nerfed
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If only there was a portion of your rant that claimed how OP Templars are you would be 3/3

Oh wait...you already made a thread about that...

^ Yes. This.

kijima

Wait wait wait...

So, NB's and Templars (You know, the ones you need to work on with testing and theory to get a good result that don't have 1 win button) are now a little closer to DK's because the usual, Talons spam wont work like it did?

Great, I'm looking forward to DK's that can do something else than just spam talons, and flame lash.

Earthwardzilvox_ESO

I play a Dragon Knight, but I'm not that worried. We have lots of access to ranged abilities outside of our class abilities.

Maverick827

The only thing more predictable than a monkeymystic thread is all the responses in a monkeymystic thread.

Some advice: you can't call someone a whiner in a thread in which you whine about DKs.

Gilvoth

why not just use that skill that you dragonights have that heals you instantly to full health over and over and over and over and over till we nightblades are dead. sorcerers have it also. and also theres a skill you dragonights have that makes my damage do almost nothing to you, and also makes YOUR damage really high.
we nightblades dont have any skill or skill line like that. i wish we did then we could fight fairly with you dragonights and sorcerers.
and also you dragonights have a skill that knocks us down repeatedly over and over and over and over and over so we cant get up and fight you.
we nightblades dont have that. we nightblades do not have any kind of skill that knocks you down not even once. so why not just use that?