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In Defense of Zenimax
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Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
"I'm not satisfied, ergo anyone who is and tries to defend its merits are wrong."
Logic.![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Edited by Lord_Draevan on 23 May 2014 23:12I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
Vorkk8383✭✭✭Why does a player need to ''defend'' a company? You can thank them for the stuff they did that you feel was right. I have. Lots of us have. Still, identifying problems doesn't mean we're bashing them. It means we're identifying problems.
It's business. I doubt they feel ''attacked''. They don't need Zeni-man to come to the rescue. They fix thing as it goes. Props for the fixes and shame on the bugs. Seems pretty fair to me.2 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS is trying. So very trying.
I firmly believe ZOS is working their buns off trying to solve problems. A lot of money has been invested in ESO; no company will intentionally risk a substantial investment over launch bugs. Admittedly, it confounds me that a company with as much development experience as Zenimax would produce such a debacle as ZOS/ESO. I expect that ZOS will do their best to repair ESO... and if they are very fast, they'll still have some customers to enjoy the finished product.
Why is this very easy and obvious fact so hard for most of these forum people to miss? Do they really believe Zenimax made a joke and sits in sweden, drinking vodka with a blond at their side?
I bet most of em didnt sleep much the past 2 days.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"1 -
OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.3 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
"I'm not satisfied, ergo anyone who is and tries to defend its merits are wrong."
Logic.
When they tell you that you are wrong for being dissatisfied, yes they are wrong.
See what I did there with the logics?Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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tilolyen_ESO✭✭✭penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.
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one_eye✭✭✭penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.
I really don't care about your profession.2 -
tilolyen_ESO✭✭✭penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.
I really don't care about your profession.
And from the looks of the majority of your responses from the wall O text, the majority don't care for your brown nosing.2 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
Nice one, dude! Your a master of forum relations!
A title you clearly deserve for starting this thread.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
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Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭kirnmalidus wrote: »
When they tell you that you are wrong for being dissatisfied, yes they are wrong.
See what I did there with the logics?
No, because I never said he was wrong for being dissatisfied. I said his logic of "I don't like it ergo anyone who does is wrong" makes no sense.Edited by Lord_Draevan on 23 May 2014 23:26I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlexanderTheGreat wrote: »Wah! People are complaining about a product!
Wah! I like the game and I only play it for a few hours!
Wah! We don't need whiners so just unsubscribe!
Did you really need to make that long, tedious post just to tell people that their complaints are unfounded and that they should just shut up? I unsubscribed because of the never-ending bugs and lack of original content at Veteran levels. It's abhorrent and I won't pay for it.
Yes, it was defenetly needed because most people really do not know how these games work and how they have evolved. Especially how its managed, planned, expanded, Fixed, balanced.
It seams to me that some people just think these games works 100% at release. They will never work 100%. Only when everything is fixed and they stop adding anything, then you have a working game. Say hello to Star wars Galaxies for example. They made the game. Left some CS and GM who gave in and made everyone a jedi. Game worked but who played it?
Not ONE major successful MMO is EVER all fixed and all done. If it is...then its game over.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"0 -
Vlaxitov✭✭✭Meh I quit the game as of today due to overall VR endgame. You play a single player game through level 1-50 and wins. No need to keep on paying for quest grind gaming that you die every other minute. Good Luck all that stay with the game.
Heh, another one who didnt read anything about the game. Was it a gift? You buy it thinking its a new WoW?
If you SOLO all the way to 50, I feel soooo sorry for you, cause you missed so many things and to just mention one, a new type of AI in instanced mobs. They work as a group together against you...sometimes even better then you.
There are 50 other things you miss if you only solo BUT ESO offers this. The world is yours from level 1. You build your story. You just missed most of the game buddy.
Cogo doesn't have a lvl 50 character, he said so himself last night in this forum.
Nor does he have anything to contribute outside of inflammatory remarks and unsubstantiated claims for the sake of being argumentative. He IS that guy he mentions in his nonsense "game forum study."
He isn't even VR so he essentially has no problem playing the game atm, yet hes spent more time trolling this forum than playing the game over the last two days. He clearly doesn't even enjoy the game that much without something impeding his progress, and that is by his own claims.
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Apricot✭✭the only MMOs that had a smoother launch were LoTRO
And RIFT, GW2 and yes, even AION had a smoother launch. WS BETA is a gazillion times more polished than this train wreck.
If you've been playing MMO's for any length of time and if you played ESO beta you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me this game was anywhere near ready for release. You just can't.
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one_eye✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
And from the looks of the majority of your responses from the wall O text, the majority don't care for your brown nosing.
Damn! Nice comeback! You're right. People don't care about my brown nosing. That's why this post has over 160 comments and growing, because OBVIOUSLY people aren't interested in this discussion.
I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!1 -
penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.
I really don't care about your profession.
And I'm tired of you're schilling brown nosing ways.
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Let me break it down.
MMO nerfs something previously OP
Community says phew coz I was about to re roll
Class affected complains and complains and complains ... In a lame attempt to convince MMO to change back
People threaten to quit etc - the true quitters don't really come to forums they just stop playing
The world keeps spinning
Next nerf the previous group defends the MMO
Rinse repeat
Old as the hills since WoW and before
For the record I am a dk S+B I was from the beginning before we learnt of the exploit/bug of extreme damage output0 -
one_eye✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
Nice one, dude! Your a master of forum relations!
A title you clearly deserve for starting this thread.
Keep responding, keep posting!
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
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one_eye✭✭✭penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »penguinlaraub17_ESO wrote: »OP, clearly with your first post and your reply to mine you are ok with a substandard service. I am not, if my internet goes down I ring the service provider and they either tell me they are working on it, or they will get working on it but at least I know it's being fixed. My TV service provider (DSTV in this country) don't seem to just 'go out' but if they did I'd not be happy at that either.
Where I work, and have done for the last 12 years we offer a 99.95% uptime, and if we do not provide we actively give our customers one WHOLE month free, this does not include planned downtime, but any emergency down time, or crash we end up paying heavily for after 0.05% of a months time so we make sure they don't happen.
Stop accepting sub standard service and expect what you pay for.
You know why people "guarantee" products and services? Because they don't have confidence in their own product and service, and need a hook to sell the customer.
I think it's great, and I mean this, that your company can run so smoothly and offer such a great incentive. Not all services are that efficient.
WOW you really are a moron. I'm a tradesman and "guarantee" all my work because I have confidence in my skill, and if I *** up I own up to it and repair/replace at my cost.
I really don't care about your profession.
And I'm tired of you're schilling brown nosing ways.
What's a schilling? Isn't that like a British coin?1 -
tilolyen_ESO✭✭✭Yes, it was defenetly needed because most people really do not know how these games work and how they have evolved. Especially how its managed, planned, expanded, Fixed, balanced. .
Cogo.....can you please provide your references and which MMO company you have worked for in the past that allows you to make this statement? I worked for the biggest online entertainment company from 2001 to 2009 so I have a clue, and the clue is you have NO CLUE wtf you are talking about, even though you think you do.1 -
tilolyen_ESO✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
The word is spelled "respond", you know.....the word you learned how to spell in 3rd grade.0 -
one_eye✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »tilolyen_ESO wrote: »I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
The word is spelled "respond", you know.....the word you learned how to spell in 3rd grade.
OH YEAH! I misspelt thad wurd. OMG you cot me misspelling, and callded me out to the rest of the forem. I'm soooooo embarrassssd and humbld by u.1 -
Vlaxitov✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
And from the looks of the majority of your responses from the wall O text, the majority don't care for your brown nosing.
Damn! Nice comeback! You're right. People don't care about my brown nosing. That's why this post has over 160 comments and growing, because OBVIOUSLY people aren't interested in this discussion.
I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
What exactly is the discussion? Oh yeah, its an apologetics campaign for this game. I'm sorry man but even being told there is a fix on the way my confidence in this game is shaken.
I'm questioning whether or not I can justify a monthly fee for this game atm. My better judgement is telling me to cancel my account and wait for people like you to pay them for finishing this game to an acceptable level.
More and more I've held off on new game releases for months and months in order to see if they sink or swim. It seems every time I don't hold off I regret it.
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one_eye✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »tilolyen_ESO wrote: »I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
The word is spelled "respond", you know.....the word you learned how to spell in 3rd grade.
And I didn't learn how to spell "respond" in the 3rd grade, good sir. I'm fairly certain it was 4th grade. I bet you feel pretty foolish now.1 -
one_eye✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
And from the looks of the majority of your responses from the wall O text, the majority don't care for your brown nosing.
Damn! Nice comeback! You're right. People don't care about my brown nosing. That's why this post has over 160 comments and growing, because OBVIOUSLY people aren't interested in this discussion.
I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
What exactly is the discussion? Oh yeah, its an apologetics campaign for this game. I'm sorry man but even being told there is a fix is on the way my confidence in this game is shaken.
I'm questioning whether or not I can justify a monthly fee for this game atm. My better judgement is telling me to cancel my account and wait for people like you to pay them for finishing this game to an acceptable level.
More and more I've held off on new game releases for months and months in order to see if they sink or swim. It seems every time I don't hold off I regret it.
Hey, I'm all for that. Personally, I can afford $15 per month (actually less since I subscribed in blocks), so I'm not really sweating the fee.
And actually, and I'm being totally serious, you're probably the most right of all of us. It's like when a new iPhone comes out - everyone wants it the day it launches. Then the next day, every tech blog is reporting all the bugs and glitches, and all the iPhone users are ticked off.
Waiting a while after game launch is smart. Start playing once the biggest bugs have been fixed.0 -
one_eye✭✭✭patrick.loiselleb16_ESO wrote: »Why does a player need to ''defend'' a company? You can thank them for the stuff they did that you feel was right. I have. Lots of us have. Still, identifying problems doesn't mean we're bashing them. It means we're identifying problems.
It's business. I doubt they feel ''attacked''. They don't need Zeni-man to come to the rescue. They fix thing as it goes. Props for the fixes and shame on the bugs. Seems pretty fair to me.
Why does a player need to defend a company? Well, why not? Why does a player feel the need to bash a company?1 -
I just don't understand why the people who are bashing the OP and calling him a fanboi are still playing the game. If the game is really that bad, why are you wasting your time and money?
You got your money's worth with the 30 free days, and you were going to shelve the game after you reached the endgame anyway, just like all those other games you have piled up in the corner.
The game is not what you want? Then it's time to move on and find another 30 day distraction.2 -
Vorkk8383✭✭✭patrick.loiselleb16_ESO wrote: »Why does a player need to ''defend'' a company? You can thank them for the stuff they did that you feel was right. I have. Lots of us have. Still, identifying problems doesn't mean we're bashing them. It means we're identifying problems.
It's business. I doubt they feel ''attacked''. They don't need Zeni-man to come to the rescue. They fix thing as it goes. Props for the fixes and shame on the bugs. Seems pretty fair to me.
Why does a player need to defend a company? Well, why not? Why does a player feel the need to bash a company?
Don't think bashing is any better. Mentioning issues isn't bashing however. It's helping them target what needs to be fixed. If you want to give them props for things that were fixed, be my guest. Feeling the need to defend them against people telling them about bugs, errors, etc...is hrrm...special.0 -
Vlaxitov✭✭✭tilolyen_ESO wrote: »
And from the looks of the majority of your responses from the wall O text, the majority don't care for your brown nosing.
Damn! Nice comeback! You're right. People don't care about my brown nosing. That's why this post has over 160 comments and growing, because OBVIOUSLY people aren't interested in this discussion.
I response in a smartass way to comments that are clearly, well, stupid. And you, sir, make the grade!
What exactly is the discussion? Oh yeah, its an apologetics campaign for this game. I'm sorry man but even being told there is a fix is on the way my confidence in this game is shaken.
I'm questioning whether or not I can justify a monthly fee for this game atm. My better judgement is telling me to cancel my account and wait for people like you to pay them for finishing this game to an acceptable level.
More and more I've held off on new game releases for months and months in order to see if they sink or swim. It seems every time I don't hold off I regret it.
Hey, I'm all for that. Personally, I can afford $15 per month (actually less since I subscribed in blocks), so I'm not really sweating the fee.
And actually, and I'm being totally serious, you're probably the most right of all of us. It's like when a new iPhone comes out - everyone wants it the day it launches. Then the next day, every tech blog is reporting all the bugs and glitches, and all the iPhone users are ticked off.
Waiting a while after game launch is smart. Start playing once the biggest bugs have been fixed.
I appreciate that you can at least see where I'm coming from. I can afford to maintain many accounts if I wanted. Its the principle of it all that irks me. Its that when you do that, you lower the bar on standards for the entire video game industry. The new video game business model seems to be "pay me now and I might entertain you later."
To me its a dishonest business practice that has grown to be accepted by many. Charge what you have to charge for a game, but at least be honest about it. If they needed 100-150 dollars for this game to be released in an acceptable state I would have been OK with that. What I'm not OK with is a video game maker releasing a product in a poor state while expecting to collect the difference of what they needed to actually complete it over the course several months. Something like that usually ruins my first impression of a game and taints the experience all together no matter how much better they make it.
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