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Imagine quitting the game and still being outraged by everything ZOS does!

I don't have to imagine because it was me 2019 and what a sad state that was in hindsight. Life is too short.

It has nothing to do with competitive gameplay. Most of these players aren't anywhere close to competitive. It's not really possible to dissect it very far because we're not really allowed to talk about societal issues here. But let's just say the things happening all around us are happening here too.

„Dont ask question, just consume product and then get exctied for the next product.“

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What a bizarre and exhausting post to read through.

Edit: It's impossible to expect a reasonable discussion when someone is gleefully wearing blinders over their eyes.

darkriketz wrote: »

TESO works perfectly fine, it's beautiful, there's a whole world to explore, it's not buggy,

Another player who is barely affected by ZOS horrible decisions insulting the people who are.

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It's been a while now since the BG overhaul, and I have a new BG character who I've been test driving for a few weeks. I like my build, it's probably my best yet, but... the battlegrounds are just not there.

I play the 8v8s exclusively, so what I write here may not apply to the 4v4s, or it may. I'll let someone else be the judge of that.

First off, the team balance is near-consistently horrifying. You can usually tell within the first few seconds of a game which team is going to win and which is just going to have a bad time. Interestingly, while I was still levelling my new character and playing in the below 50 BGs, this was not nearly as much of an issue! There were often nice, close matches, and next to none of those goofy experiences where someone just destroys your healthbar in half a heartbeat. It was a lot more fun! I'd take the below 50 BG experience any day of the week, but sadly I am cp2000+ again now and there's no going back. I dearly hope something can be done about the balance, though I cannot suggest anything concrete. It's just wildly not working.

Secondly, as the Crazy King weekend is halfway now, instead of enjoying getting to play one of my favourite game modes non-stop, I wish it would be over already. These have been some of the most violent flag games I've been in – the "every game mode is deathmatch and BGs are about the violence" types are there, deprived of their deathmatches for several days on end. They're bored and taking it out on me. Sometimes that works out when the opponent is so busy farming kills they forget to cap the flags, and your team wins despite being offensively outmatched. But usually it's just a frustrating experience of deathmatch with flags, where the team with the bigger guns wins, not the team that tries to read the game and play it too. Maybe consider not having these weekends? I'm not sure they're helping.

And then, the "every game mode is deathmatch" issue. I understand that somewhere in distant history there used to be separate queues for different game modes, and it didn't work because the non-deathmatch modes had such low populations. I can appreciate this, but rather than force the DM fanciers to play flag and ball to maintain population, OR simply remove all other game modes as also was done at some point, maybe the queue could be fine-tuned a bit? For instance, let players opt out of one or two modes. This would let the DM lovers have more DM and maybe play the objective in the other modes a bit more. (And, it would let me opt out of relic, heh.) I don't mind playing DM now and then; what I dislike is not actually being able to play something else when something else comes up.

And finally, there's that one very small map in the High Isle style. That map does not fit 16 players, and it is the worst offender in the "deathmatch with flags" category. It takes too long for extra flags to spawn, there is no room to manoeuvre and absolutely no strategic angle to play. It's just "brute force wins". Please drop it from the 8v8s entirely, or restrict it to game modes which it supports in some way. Like deathmatch.

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Liukke wrote: »

So yeah, your "chill out" call is understandable but kinda tells me you are either new or just don't care about the game going down a spiral of "build these 2 specific builds and that's it".
Class identity is gone, you find always the same builds in the random groups, even in trials there are always the same tanks, all dps can now focus 100% on damage because any support they might have needed is now 100% on the tanks.

I've been playing TESO on a regular basis since 2018, thank you.
And no, I don't care about TESO "putting the focus on 2 builds" because it isn't. There always has been many builds, many crafted and looted sets to offer players a huge diversity in terms of passive bonuses, effects, play style and so on. It's not Bethesda's fault is players suddenly decided to drop their brain, follow "the meta" like in any other online game (hello League of Legends) and use the same items instead of actually finding their own style.

Again, I have six characters, from six different races, four different classes (NB, DK, Sorcerer and Templar, I've tried Warden and Necro but I don't like them, although I like the subclassing system that let me pick specific skill lines from classes that I don't play), six different builds (one magical and one physical in each faction). Even if, again, I'm a PvE player, which obviously isn't as demanding as PvP, I imagine.
Diversity is a thing and again, if you're not using it, that's your problem.

Regarding the fact that nightblades are dealing damage because the support has been shifted to tanks.... hello, have you ever played a MMORPG ? That's basically the essence of it.
One of many particularities of TESO, that has always made me think that it's more an online RPG than an actual MMORPG, is that you can play it completely alone (as I do) without the need of other players to support you. You can tank, deal damage, heal and support with any class (more or less), and if you're good enough, you can even solo group dungeons (again : as I do).

The fact that classes/characters begin (at last) to become more specialized with one player fully playing a tanking role in a group while another is purely focused on damage dealing, well... it's normal. That's how MMORPGs work. If you want to be able to fill every role by yourself, have you ever heard of The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim ?

There are many inaccuracies in my opinion.
This isn't about meta...there are multiple builds, yeah sure, but since the subclass introduction all pure class builds are several steps below anything else. We're talking about double if not more damage dealt and a whole pack of buffs thrown at once from a single character.
You can live in your little bubble and that's fine, that's what makes the game great in my opinion, but the moment you come out and want to join other people you'll find that many things are gatekept behind requirements that are subclass mandatory. Guilds organising vet trials runs want basically 100k+ dps and only 2 choices of sets for the tanks, keeping many out from the actual fun content. You can solo dungeons and have fun with that but again, there's an MMO out there.

And speaking of MMO, this is actually the first one I met that has no dedicated support class.
But it used to be great despite that, each DD brought something unique to the table, I was helping with my minor brutality, an arcanist might have helped stealing some armor with runic sunder and so on...everybody had a unique class that brought something to the mix. Now those skills are REQUIRED to be on the tank, it's all straightforward Tank/Healer/DD with no nuance and trickery involved. Ah yeah, for trash packs one DD wears Alkosh...woohoo the diversity!
So yeah, that kills diversity, I'm sorry the game has become more banal and has lowered the access bar so much that if you follow the 2 needed builds and ignore all the rest of the content, you're good to go.

This is not meta anymore, you don't need to grind or being better, you need specific builds, it's casual. You can have 200 characters and classes for all I care but the real content is basically done with 2 :'D meta used to be just the niche where skilled players could find loopholes to nuke things, now it has become so accessible that even by sneezing you throw a 140k dps on a dummy, without any prior knowledge to the game.

But yeah, you keep shifting between "this is an MMO" and "you can play solo and have everything", and it kinda misses all the points the other people are trying to prove

"TESO works perfectly fine, it's beautiful, there's a whole world to explore, it's not buggy" made my day 😂
"not buggy and works perfectly" whenever I see such false defensive statements, I ask myself if that person is actually getting payed by zos. I mean how can you lie about literal facts that much....

Oh no the overland mobs are going to last 5 seconds instead of 4 seconds now.