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Re: Emojis in ESO Chat: why or why not?
If there was an option, I'd disable it immediately bc it would pull me out of the game world. It's too "real world".
It's not that I don't like emojis, but there's a time and a place. ESO is not that place even if the emojis were ESO themed.
It's not that I don't like emojis, but there's a time and a place. ESO is not that place even if the emojis were ESO themed.
Frayton
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Re: When will zos respond to the animation and 2h threads?
I've seen the updated sound for the 2h and they do sound much better, but they still don't sound good.
I also think they look like garbage still.
I also think they look like garbage still.
Faltasë
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Re: Why the Millennial Writing?
For the first example, the use of the word 'epic' didn't strike me as out of place. Since she had been struggling to recall who/what she was, the pause to me seemed more like she was looking for an accurate way to describe it.
As for 'clout', I'd not been aware it had made a recent resurgence as slang, so when it came up in Vyktor Varien's dialogue, I took it as the old meaning I knew, so it didn't seem jarring to me.
Whether the writers were thinking of the original meanings or the newer ones in both cases of course I couldn't say, but I do find it interesting how one's perspective can inform one's interpretation of the dialogue.
The word 'tank' I agree seems somewhat out of place, but until the thread came up, I admit it hadn't really registered with me. And the infamous 'and stuff' I disliked because that's not how my character talks and he would never have been so flippant in that situation.
It's the general tendency that makes it feel off - too many terms that could be modern-youth-culture-related coming up suddenly, at once, while it was no thing even just a few years ago. A single "for clout" (when it makes sense contextwise and is really about gaining political influence) during the Summerset story, for example, wouldn't have bothered me. Probably it wouldn't even have caught my attention. But if we now get everything at once - for clout, and stuff, tank, etc - it feels like there's some difference in writing, some change happening right now.
Of course it's also always a personal interpretation, and how something is perceived probably also varies according to culture and even subculture and the people one has contact with.
I don't even have much contact to youth culture (I'm in my late 30s, which is, funnily, "millenial"), but I sometimes search gaming-related things on youtube, and so I do get a glimpse on current media "trends" at times. What I noticed is that it felt like everything was "for clout" now. If you put that phrase in the youtube search bar, you'll get hundreds over hundreds videos that have that as a title: "(whatever thing) for clout". There are even masses of song titles like that now. Even a certain dictionary has an article on the youth/slang use now:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/slang/clout
And then it suddenly shows up in ESO now, for the first time? I do not believe that to be a coincidence then. Especially not if we add the other things (tank, and stuff) to that list of words that might be off. It's too much at once.
"Epic", the way as it's presented in Ithelia's dialogue, is also a media trope currently: "It was.... (breathing in, long pause) - EPIC!" It's a trope.
I'm not arguing that the writing hasn't changed or that these words can't be read as modern references. I'm saying my experience with them didn't include those modern references. I honestly had no idea 'clout' was being slung around everywhere on the internet, so seeing it come up once in game didn't hit me like it did so many others. That's what I was saying about a person's perspective informing their interpretation of the dialogue.
Same with the word 'buffet'--I was just explaining my approach to it and why it doesn't work as a pun with me. If they did indeed choose to use it because it was, to them, a funny bit of word play, it didn't register with me. The fact that it might not translate well is a different issue--that could be the case with many words. Perhaps they should steer clear of fitting as many jokes into as many places as they can; certainly I think the writing has become more jokey than it used to be and doesn't really fit the setting and world in some instances.
Re: Why the Millennial Writing?
For the first example, the use of the word 'epic' didn't strike me as out of place. Since she had been struggling to recall who/what she was, the pause to me seemed more like she was looking for an accurate way to describe it.
As for 'clout', I'd not been aware it had made a recent resurgence as slang, so when it came up in Vyktor Varien's dialogue, I took it as the old meaning I knew, so it didn't seem jarring to me.
Whether the writers were thinking of the original meanings or the newer ones in both cases of course I couldn't say, but I do find it interesting how one's perspective can inform one's interpretation of the dialogue.
The word 'tank' I agree seems somewhat out of place, but until the thread came up, I admit it hadn't really registered with me. And the infamous 'and stuff' I disliked because that's not how my character talks and he would never have been so flippant in that situation.
It's the general tendency that makes it feel off - too many terms that could be modern-youth-culture-related coming up suddenly, at once, while it was no thing even just a few years ago. A single "for clout" (when it makes sense contextwise and is really about gaining political influence) during the Summerset story, for example, wouldn't have bothered me. Probably it wouldn't even have caught my attention. But if we now get everything at once - for clout, and stuff, tank, etc - it feels like there's some difference in writing, some change happening right now.
Of course it's also always a personal interpretation, and how something is perceived probably also varies according to culture and even subculture and the people one has contact with.
I don't even have much contact to youth culture (I'm in my late 30s, which is, funnily, "millenial"), but I sometimes search gaming-related things on youtube, and so I do get a glimpse on current media "trends" at times. What I noticed is that it felt like everything was "for clout" now. If you put that phrase in the youtube search bar, you'll get hundreds over hundreds videos that have that as a title: "(whatever thing) for clout". There are even masses of song titles like that now. Even a certain dictionary has an article on the youth/slang use now:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/slang/clout
And then it suddenly shows up in ESO now, for the first time? I do not believe that to be a coincidence then. Especially not if we add the other things (tank, and stuff) to that list of words that might be off. It's too much at once.
"Epic", the way as it's presented in Ithelia's dialogue, is also a media trope currently: "It was.... (breathing in, long pause) - EPIC!" It's a trope.
Syldras
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Re: Why the Millennial Writing?
As for 'wing buffet', I'm aware the word 'buffet' has two meanings and two pronounciations, and so when I read it, I choose the meaning that fits and disregard the other.
The thing is that it's an international game with many people who are not native English speakers, playing the English version because there's none in their own language. And most people abroad will not know the other meaning of buffet not related to food. I learnt English at school for 9 years, I think, I've been playing games, using websites, reading news in English since perhaps 1999. I engage much more with English-language media than most people in my country (most people do not read international news or debate on international forums). I think I have above-average English skills for a non-native person. Still, I never came across "buffet" with the meaning of "strike" until perhaps 2 years ago (or at least it never caught my attention).
So for the absolute majority of non-native English speakers playing ESO in English, "wing buffet" just sounds completely weird. Like a joke, and absolutely nothing else because they just don't know the other meaning. That could have easily been avoided. Especially since I have the feeling they might have chosen this wording deliberately just to make a pun (there are many words that would have fit just as well without that double-meaning, after all; and also, they pointed out the "funny" pun in the announcement news article - several times even).
I'm not saying the English texts needs to be contorted to accomodate players who are not native English speakers. But if something will most likely not function well for many players, and the only reason it came up was just a pun anyway, I question whether it was the correct choice to go for this and not a different term instead.
Syldras
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Re: Why the Millennial Writing?
They know they are referencing modern culture when they use "epic" like this, or the "tank" NPC, or the too-cute "Wing Buffet" double meaning pun. Modern culture breaks immersion.Whether the writers were thinking of the original meanings or the newer ones in both cases of course I couldn't say, but I do find it interesting how one's perspective can inform one's interpretation of the dialogue.
It's interesting because I remember back during an early 2023 stream when some devs were talking about the upcoming Arcanist, one of the devs mentioned that they specifically wanted to include references/easter egg type things in the Arcanist class.
I explicitly remember something relating to ''comic books.'' I think this was all in reference to the writing in the Arcanist skill tooltips. I feel cringe for bringing this up without having the source, but yeah I do remember this.
This also doesn't necessarily mean it's related to any of the other writing things as of late, but honestly I do think it is worth noting that there are confirmed moments of out of universe references.
ETA I want to be clear that easter eggs aren't inherently immersion/lore breaking but I do think about this Arcanist thing whenever this kind of topic comes up.
Re: New Weapon Line?
One hand + Focus would be great as alternative magic damage option or even something utility based. I feel like we are currently missing this niche.
Unarmed combat would be interesting, but how about knuckles/fist weapon there are already animations for fist fighting so it should work.
Unarmed combat would be interesting, but how about knuckles/fist weapon there are already animations for fist fighting so it should work.
Lysorris
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Re: Why the Millennial Writing?
Not this context. Describing her personal experience as "epic" is very youth/millenial.
I think you are wrong. She recalls the struggle of her Shardborn and describes it as epic.
