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Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/672867/cyrodiil-champions-live-test-community-q-a
Q. What is your actual intent with templates? Is it just to test with limitations or is it testing a future rework of how PVP works in this game? (Testing only vs preview of things to come.) – Soraka
A. As a reminder, this is a test and only a test. What we have on the PTS is the minimum viable to prove out the test. There is a lot of work remaining after the test concludes and we see the results – the test results will inform how we move forward.
And some more examples in thread linked...
Am I reading it incorrectly? It says, "this is a test and only a test," but now it turns out it's more like a preview of a future feature. At least, I understood the phrase "a test and only a test" to mean it would never go live and would never become the new Cyrodiil game model. But it turns out it _is_ the new model, with minor changes like loadouts. Did I misunderstand? My bad.
P.S. It can be interpreted in a different way, and it probably was never said directly that Vengeance will never become the new Cyrodiil game model. But the Q&A repeatedly said it was "just a test" and I expected a rework of the current campaign that would resolve lags to some degree, not a brand-new campaign. I can't speak for everyone or how everyone understood this - if you understood it similarly, you can press "Agree" under the post or leave another post.
imPDA
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Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
Re: Have you played PvP in Cyrodiil before?
This is a great post.
PvP is amazing because you define your own goals in the mode and you can achieve them however you want.
Assuming that everyone's ego is mature enough to handle dying in a video game it is also likely the best venue for learning about the game and about builds, deeper mechanics, etc. Which, for a certain type of player, is like catnip.
For example, after being completely annoyed by the seemingly "boring" playstyle for years, I recently decided to delve into the dark arts of blocktanking. Turns out that it is actually tons of fun as well as significantly more complex than I had ever given it credit for. Obviously, you don't kill much but staying alive against absurd odds is its own kind of reward and value for your faction.
PvP is amazing because you define your own goals in the mode and you can achieve them however you want.
Assuming that everyone's ego is mature enough to handle dying in a video game it is also likely the best venue for learning about the game and about builds, deeper mechanics, etc. Which, for a certain type of player, is like catnip.
For example, after being completely annoyed by the seemingly "boring" playstyle for years, I recently decided to delve into the dark arts of blocktanking. Turns out that it is actually tons of fun as well as significantly more complex than I had ever given it credit for. Obviously, you don't kill much but staying alive against absurd odds is its own kind of reward and value for your faction.
Re: Despite those nets of tuna fleets, we thought that most of you were sweet
how many roads must a man walk down?
ESO Writing Team: Please...stop it.
I'm currently playing through eastern Solstice and I am struggling due to the writing decisions this team has made. At one point you actually have our character make the comment "How did the assault go? I was busy rescuing prisoners and stuff."
Am I the only one that really hates this? I don't find it clever or funny. It's just immersion breaking. Why can't any of the dialogue be written like it's not an episode of a sitcom?
Am I the only one that really hates this? I don't find it clever or funny. It's just immersion breaking. Why can't any of the dialogue be written like it's not an episode of a sitcom?
Apollosipod
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
I think that this is an overblown reaction that lacks a lot of nuance. The Vengeance environment is far closer to a balanced and fun PvP experience than live Cyrodiil is.
Vengeance is closer to 2016 Cyro than it is to 2025 Cyro. The same 2016 Cyro the old PvP veterans who left the game long ago and pine for, but who say Vengeance is trash.
Of course, the reality of Cyro's history is very different: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/658524/the-glory-days-of-cyrodiil
No, it's not. Vengeance is similar to live cyrodiil in the respect that the modes are played on the same map. That's where the similarities begin and end.
Vengeance is a total cop out on the part of ZOS.
They originally sold vengeance as a test to learn how to improve live cyrodiil. Now they're saying vengeance is the only mode they'll be working on going forward. So ya, they lied about vengeance being just a test from the very beginning.
reazea
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
IMO, this is their way to never have to work on balance again because they’ve messed it up so bad. I hear the term maintenance mode a lot lately, I think that’s this, it’s setting up the game so balance doesn’t matter and it will require much less manpower to maintain a game like that. Any new update will then be viewed as an addition without subtraction because it doesn’t matter if a new skill or system breaks another one, cause the competition between players is a straight line of balance.
None of the people invalidating OPs thoughts are genuine, the line in the sand was drawn a long time ago and it wasn’t the PvPrs that drew it.
TLDR,
The complaints about balance have been completely ignored. Vengeance is not about performance, it’s about not having to balance anything moving forward. It’s smoke and mirrors, still 10 years later.
None of the people invalidating OPs thoughts are genuine, the line in the sand was drawn a long time ago and it wasn’t the PvPrs that drew it.
TLDR,
The complaints about balance have been completely ignored. Vengeance is not about performance, it’s about not having to balance anything moving forward. It’s smoke and mirrors, still 10 years later.
SneaK
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Re: ESO Writing Team: Please...stop it.
BardokRedSnow wrote: »People loved it with Naryu, dunno why there's people hating on it now.
"People" are not a uniform group with one opinion between them. Some people liked it, others will have disliked it or been indifferent. Maybe the people who didn't like it didn't feel the need to mention it until it became clear it was going to be a reoccuring thing.
I know I was indifferent to Darien when he was an occasional side character in a few storylines I could forget about afterwards, but was more put off by ZOS informing us that they have decided we all find him attractive and want him flirting with our characters at every opportunity.
Yes romance storylines are popular with some people, but it needs to be a choice, not just a flat yes or no but a choice of who and how and when. My characters are all very different people and not only is it impossible to design a character they'd all find attractive, they'd all go about it in very different ways and without those options it's going to fall flat for me - I'd rather skip it entirely than waste my time on a storyline I have no interest in because it's full of things my characters would never do.
(Very different situation but it's the same reason I didn't like many of the chapter-specific tutorials. How you came to be sacrificed by the Worm Cult was left open so I could come up with all kinds of ways it happened to fit the characters. It's a lot harder to explain everyone being on a boat to Vvardenfell (especially if they leave immediately) or in an Elseweyr monastery or whatever.)
Danikat
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
tomofhyrule wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Only have seen people , me included WHITNESSED that vengeance is less played and populated then GH.
The player cap on Live is 360, and on Vengeance it's 900. 1 Bar on Vengeance is roughly the same as 3 bars on Live.
ZOS have posted graphs of the player numbers.
No.
The player caps in live is 240 total, 80/faction. And ZOS never told us what the cap was for vengeance, and it sure seems like it's been a dynamic player cap to those of us who played it. (ZOS has changed the player cap for vengeance during the "test" is what I mean)
ZOS literally told us in Jess’s post yesterday that the cap is 360 in GH and 900 in Vengeance.
Did you happen to notice that ZOS blurred out the player numbers axis on those graphs?
Those of us who've played during these "tests" know that at no time did the player population reach anywhere near 900 players...unless they are combining stats from both PC/NA and PC/EU and all the PS and X box player numbers into one graph. The player population on the last iteration of vengeance was lower than it is on normal live.
Re: ESO Writing Team: Please...stop it.
In recent years I've noticed a type of meme-y humor as well as internet-speak in the dialogues, and like OP said, it's immersion breaking, poor quality and not up to the standards of earlier writing. I don't know if the team has undergone changes, but it's keenly felt in the quality of stories and dialogues as of late.
Jaimeh
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