WTF they increased the base cost reduction from 2160 to 2800? 30% increase?

tinythinker wrote: »

Class/role balance team, internal testing results footage, v2.2.4A3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_GeQR8fJo

The last line should be: "Ehh, we'll fix it later down the road on the live server".

Well... I really hope its just a bug.

Please remember that this is a gameplay change which effects everything, from the dungeon designers to the PvP teams work as this is an essential gameplay mechanic which negatively impacts the entire development team as well as the player base.

In one fell swoop Eric Wrobel the lead gameplay designer has drastically affected PvP and PvE with this change and guess what, this professional doesn't even have a forum account to post here.

Teiji wrote: »

Please remember that this is a gameplay change which effects everything, from the dungeon designers to the PvP teams work as this is an essential gameplay mechanic which negatively impacts the entire development team as well as the player base.

In one fell swoop Eric Wrobel the lead gameplay designer has drastically affected PvP and PvE with this change and guess what, this professional doesn't even have a forum account to post here.

Is that.. True.. ?!

i love all the changes zos are doing with orsinium with a AAA game title coming out the following week. i do not understandddd

Teiji wrote: »

No wonder I felt VMA was more awkward than difficult!

If it wasn't for this bug everyone would have a higher VMA score and possibly many would actually be able to complete it!

You are mistaken, for I do not block at all aside from blocking windup attacks (uppercut etc.)

Blocking in VMA is unwanted - you move slower, you're more vulnerable to ground target aoes, etc. Stamina is also needed for dodgerolling and stuff, not blocking.

Hateanthem wrote: »

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Evandus wrote: »

This is the part that sucks - so few people play tanks in this game already. Even if all of us complained, I doubt we'd make up more than a sliver of the population.

The only reason I've not converted over to full stam dps is lack of gear. It's not fun anymore having to micromanage your resources to the point that you can't pull any dps contribution.

Which is silly game design because for some fights our damage output really matters. I've seen threads where these people claim they are pulling huge numbers when tanking, but I don't see how you can survive vWTG when you are just a dps in heavy armor. I probably just need to git gud.

People will make up all kinds of crap to defend poor little ZOS from all you pesky whiners. I would love to see these peoples builds. Because every build Ive ever looked at regarding effectively tanking requires the sacrifice of DPS.

hrothbern wrote: »

2800 would fit very well with the 25% Block cost reduction of the CP tree
After the 25% reduction of 700 on 2800, the Block cost is 2100 almost the original 2160
So a tank is forced to waste 100 CP to get back what he had before the CP system

I can only hope that 2800 Block costs will replace the current Stamina Recovery nerf during Blocking


And not come on top ....

@Deltia made a similar point a while back about the stamina regeneration nerf. He said something along the lines of tanking was getting less fun because champion points was making tanking easier. I personally didn't feel that easier tanking would equal less fun tanking, but if we set that aside, then we run into the issue of why Deltia was thinking that tanking became easier.

The mechanic making tanking easier was champion points. The big thing I have to say about champion points though is that if we are all going to suffer nerfs due to have champion point, then there is no point in having the champion point system to begin with. There is no progression and, with the stamina regeneration nerf, particularly no progression with tanking. Every chance we get to earn champion points or strong gear is complimented by nerfs.

Maybe we are getting champion points and new gear, but think about these two things. Perhaps the block cost increase is meant to counter out the champion point increase to block cost. As fundamentally wrong that may be from allowing tanks to progress, it is also wrong because of how it mechanically works. That passive will only ever give a tank 12.5% block cost mitigation because of how block cost mitigation diminished returns work. So even if we do want to invest champion point into a heavy diminished stat rather than a useful stat (like thick skinned), then we still end up in the red despite investing 100 of our precious champion points into block mitigation.

The second thing to think of is that gearing is horrendous and even the stuff that would be cool to try has tremendous drawbacks. I fought and fought to make the Maelstrom tanking items just a little better to no avail and we have other sets that clearly fail. There is a Glorious Defender which gives 8% dodge chance if you jump through a hoop so it will never ever beat Histbark and we have the Pariah set which gives around 12% damage mitigation through armor if the correct circumstance is met. Do you know the significance of 12%? Well, that is the amount of damage mitigation that Footman's Fortune gives and not only does a tank not have to jump through a hoop to get the Footman's bonus, the Footman's bonus is better for adding to the damage mitigation stat rather than dealing in terms of armor. That is because armor is often already at the damage mitigation cap.

Overall the idea of doing something cool, new, or more efficient as a tank just gets pushed farther and farther away due to nerf and most sets being failures.

No matter how hard you try @ZOS_RichLambert and @zos_ericwrobel, I am not going to use fully charged heavy attacks. Keep on nerfing, it aint happening.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I had an interesting thing happen in darkshade the other day. I was doing my usually easy mode tanking routine, taunt, heavy attack spam, and only block telegraphed heavies back at me, but the 2nd boss, the giant kawama one, has a non-telegraphed knockdown attack that reduces your stamina pool to 0. I thought that was really cute, no sta regen while blocking or no stamina if you don't block, fun choice for sure! I wish fights were more interesting in this game, for a fight like this now you just permablock his non pound phase and ground shield and heavy attack his pound phase to get sta back. Somehow both simple and annoying at the same time.

That knockdown is one of the small kwama spitting, but if you see it and your not blocking, then it is too late. Catch 21.

Last night I died to a single Mantikora hit because I switched bars at the wrong time to better aid my team with a circle of protection. It was good to see that I would still get one shot if not blocking.