As someone who never saw the appeal of CP over a normal level-based progression system, I have to say "HA HA!"

/Nelson

They listened to people saying VR was broken (it wasn't, they just needed to adjust the amount of XP needed per level). They ignored the fact that people were going to grind CP. They sat on that system and even allowed people to transfer characters to console with more CP than even this relatively high cap (one of ZOS' biggest all-time blunders if you ask me). And now they've panicked because some players have raced more than halfway through a system they intended to last a few years in little more than 6 months since the CP system debuted.

While I agree this cap is needed considering the state of the game right now, and barring any other more radical solution, I think this is the perfect example of ZOS dev process: inept, half-baked and reactive. I fear for the future of ESO.

wow so the pc casusal crybabys are getting owned when they come across 1 of the 93 above 500 cp players and complain i got owned. wow seems like l2p. cp has nothing to do with it, hers a hint.. YOUR BRAINS CELLS.

Docmandu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I think 600 would be more appropriate. 501 seems a little low. While I recognise a cap is necessary, I still think you need something to work towards. Such a low cap doesn't provide this... Particularly given that they are introducing a catch up mechanic.

600 would be reasonable.

I was at 580 before IC launch and all I did was pvp in small grp. If this goes live all progression is taken from me for months. I might just quit.

Let alone that sorc needs 600cp just to max dmg where stam only needs 300... This is Bulls*t

Look at it another way.. the only reason you were winning fights, might have been because you have 580 CP, while the majority has apparently around 93 on PC... well that and sorc ofcourse...

talk about easy mode, sorc + 490 more CP !

Well i´ve started with 70CP like everyone at the beginning and earned those CP in pvp. I´ve played in a grp of 3 most of the time. So what´s your point exactly? It´s not like i started with a magical CP advantage and beat other players bc of that...

Also i don´t believe zos number of 94 for pc by one bit. If they count every account maybe bc they have tenthousands of inactive accountes sitting at ~70 cp from when the system got introduced.
I´d really like to know the average CP for PC for accounts with atleast 1 v14 that was played for atleast one hour per week in the last month.

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Noerknhar wrote: »

After ages of QQ in these forums and ranting discussions about this topic, ZOS finally implements a way to somehow limit the differences between players. Hell, they even added a catch-up mechanic.

But who'd have guessed? *** all over the place again.

Why do I even bother reading the forums? No matter what they do, people complain.

I would not have a problem if they actually punished grinders. Sadly me and the majority of my smallscale pvp guild are above the cap that´s about to hit and most of us did not grind apart from the mandatory grind introduced with IC to get materials/jewelry lockbox items.

So we just loose any longterm character progression and are punished for having played the game. Thanks for nothing i guess.

So how did you manage to play before 1.6, when the champ system and 'progression' as you put it didn't exist? You still played everyday. This is no different. Just forget CPs even exist and it will be like playing 1.5 again. You are not being punished, you have earned the CPs and are already at cap, congrats. You can get back to the chance of balanced pvp in the months after Orsinium is released. Or are you saying you prefer imbalanced pvp based on time played?

You know what? I did not play much in 1.5 bc there was nothing to do. I picked flowers and chatted or dueled. There was no incentive to play apart from raising the arbitrairy ava rank which did get quite stale.

I´m playing mmos and not shooter/moba type of games bc i enjoy the thought of near endless character progression. If the game does not offer that and on top has barely playable pvp due to lag during primetime there is no point in playing for me.

Malmai wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Don't see any discussion about it yet, guess most ppl haven't checked the PTS patch notes.

Champion System Updates
We have reduced the XP required to earn Champion Points for those with smaller amounts in order to create a fairer gameplay experience. We are also capping the total number of Champion Points that can be spent.
At this time, you will not be able to allocate more than 501 Champion Points.
Anyone that has over 501 Champion Points when the Orsinium DLC game pack is published will have all their Champion Points reset, and will only be able to allocate 501 Champion Points.
You will not lose any points over 501, you just won’t be able to spend them.
You can continue to earn Champion Points over the cap, but won’t be able to spend them until the next time the cap is raised.
The amount of XP required to gain a Champion Point now scales with the number of total Champion Points you have.
If you don’t have any Champion Points, you will earn them very quickly.
If you have a lot of Champion Points, you will earn them slower.

All I have to say is that cap is way to low going on into the months after Orsinium release with an undisclosed "whenever we feel like raising the cap" point in the future. Going by the stated "about 2 big updates a year" that was bandied around on ESO Live back during the B2P transition, one would assume that the caps would be increased about every 6 months.

Can u just please stop with this Egoistic stuff LET the NEW player come to the game and STAY JESUS give them a chance or we might have 100 people grinding CP points at the end !

This is the sound of someone who wants to be offended, and thus reads meaning into words that isn't there.

I'm egotistical because I disagree with what the CP cap number is set at?
I'm trying to force new players to quit the game by advocating a higher initial cap for Orsinium?

Buddy, you're really grasping at straws here. Now, there's one of two things going on here, either you didn't bother actually reading what I said or you're being intentionally obtuse. Nowhere did I say or imply that newer players should be 'kept down' or whatever it is you're manufacturing to be offended.

The catch up mechanic with scaling XP costs for CP is the means for newer players to 'catch up'. It's a very good idea conceptually, and I have no issues with it - conceptually, I stress again. Until I see actual numbers, I have nothing else to say about that.

@Derra I'm not a player who needs endless character progression. I care more about the world yadda, yadda, but how would you have felt about spellcrafting as more 'progression'? Not knocking your choices, views or anything. Just curious what a player like you would have preferred spellcrafting or current champ system?

I really thought this game was fine with vr's and that adding spellcrafting would have been awesome.

Derra wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I think 600 would be more appropriate. 501 seems a little low. While I recognise a cap is necessary, I still think you need something to work towards. Such a low cap doesn't provide this... Particularly given that they are introducing a catch up mechanic.

600 would be reasonable.

I was at 580 before IC launch and all I did was pvp in small grp. If this goes live all progression is taken from me for months. I might just quit.

Let alone that sorc needs 600cp just to max dmg where stam only needs 300... This is Bulls*t

Look at it another way.. the only reason you were winning fights, might have been because you have 580 CP, while the majority has apparently around 93 on PC... well that and sorc ofcourse...

talk about easy mode, sorc + 490 more CP !

Well i´ve started with 70CP like everyone at the beginning and earned those CP in pvp. I´ve played in a grp of 3 most of the time. So what´s your point exactly? It´s not like i started with a magical CP advantage and beat other players bc of that...

Also i don´t believe zos number of 94 for pc by one bit. If they count every account maybe bc they have tenthousands of inactive accountes sitting at ~70 cp from when the system got introduced.
I´d really like to know the average CP for PC for accounts with atleast 1 v14 that was played for atleast one hour per week in the last month.

I dunno, mate.

PvP and stat progression are 2 beasts that do not fit well together. We discussed about stuff like this ages ago and i recall you agreeing in slightly different context, that PvP should be skill based. A newb with super strong skillz (you know, there`s other pvp games, good mechanics are good mechanics, no matter the game) should always be able to compete with a vet who is just not as good.

I remember you not wanting the CP system, because of the imbalances it creates. You don`t need that advantage, no good PvPer needs it. Do you seriously play now for your CP progression?

I mean, didn`t we all play perfectly fine for one year without CP? Or should we all have been quitting because our "work" wasn`t properly rewarded with CP according to our XP earned? I would have to cry and complain every day when applying that logic. But why complaining about something that is "taken away" from you that was never healthy anyways?

Small example from my POV:

After a lengthy break I had vacation and played last week hardcore (8h/day). No dedicated CP grinding, just catching up in gear and some pvp through solo play (thanks for the sponsoring btw). I made 30-40 CP in 8 days. Let`s say 5/day.

So, fulltime playing with my favored style of play (lots of solo pvp) would net me 150 CP a month. But I have a job.

Realistically I won`t get more than 1 enlightened CP during weekdays and around 6 mixed CPs over the course of the weekend. That`s around 30-40 CP a month. Call me a newb, but I would almost need another year just to get to 500 CP when playing everyday as much as I can due to work.

Why no sympathy for the guys who lack behind anyways? I mean PvP needs no Cp, it`s pretty much the opposite. PvP needs to get rid of that unbalanced monster.

Still lots of love @Derra

I'm happy nobody is really losing all their hard work and effort and the playing field is now fair. Thankfully we can still earn points even with a cap because that was really my only concern.
FFxiv has a system I completely despise, you earn tombs from dungeons and when you hit cap for the week you might as well not play till the next.

I'm glad they capped it. Hopefully they scale dungeons a little bit. Cp was ruining dungeons because how easy it makes them. Every run is a speed run with trash going down so easy.

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

So how did you manage to play before 1.6, when the champ system and 'progression' as you put it didn't exist? You still played everyday. This is no different. Just forget CPs even exist and it will be like playing 1.5 again. You are not being punished, you have earned the CPs and are already at cap, congrats. You can get back to the chance of balanced pvp in the months after Orsinium is released. Or are you saying you prefer imbalanced pvp based on time played?

You are quite right, we did used to play with the CP system. And even though today I am disappointed but this low cap and was tagged by the fanboys and casuals players as a "grinder who doesn't work/have no life/use a bot" (just lol), I knew when the CP system was released that it would be an issue : people who play more would have a more powerful character. This CP system was an aberration from the very beginning.

And instead of listening from the beginning (from the announcement to the PTS tests with 70CP - then 3600 CP ) where players did say it would become an issue on the future, ZoS still went on with it.

Of course some people began intense farming, of course there were players who did used exploits (bots I don't think so, bots behavior are pretty recognizable, but exploits, yes, definitely)

And now ZoS seems to realize when everything is burning that oooopsie ! maybe they did a mistake. Let's bring a bucket of water and point the 490+ CP as the firestarters, no one will be the wiser.

Businesses always have to keep the majority happy - they are the ones that bring in the millions of dollars. The "loyal elite" that spend 15 hours a day on the game might feel they are important - but their contribution of a few thousands dollars won't keep a company in business.

The casual majority will always be the most important customer, they pay the bills.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.

Now see, that explanation seriously validates the number. I guess the player base is much more casual than those of us in big guilds realize.

Wont change my canceling though since I am what you can call hardcore solo'er and we tend to get a lot of gametime which here equals a lot of CPs.

It is funny that Orcinium seems to cater to serious solo players.... except that the cap will keep them off playing it he he.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I don't usually talk numbers, but here's some to chew on with regards to the number of champion points players have. The number of players that are going to be affected by the cap is very, very small.

• Average CP on PC - 93
• Average CP on PS4 - 46
• Average CP on XB1 - 44

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.

Thanks for sharing additional info on how you arrived at that number. It seems reasonable to me, as a casual player who has been here since the beginning and has less than 200 CP. I do more in my limited game than just play my veteran characters to earn CP and I know I'm not alone in that (though every guild I'm in has at least one guy who appears to live in Cracked Wood Cave).

I doubt the hardcore players will believe the numbers, but this appears to be proof that casuals are the vast majority of the current player base.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.

+1 Insightful for clarifying and therefore validating the sample size. Now if only we knew what the total numbers of "active players" and "active Vet players" actually are...

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Wont change my canceling though since I am what you can call hardcore solo'er and we tend to get a lot of gametime which here equals a lot of CPs.

It is funny that Orcinium seems to cater to serious solo players.... except that the cap will keep them off playing it he he.

You won't lose those CPs though, you just won't be able to use them all for a while.

I'm fine with the cap.

This should have been done back in March, though.