Confirmed Material Amount for v16 Gear

Takllin

I noticed this from Kai who posted in the German boards to someone who asked about the 150 material cost to craft v16 gear:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Menelaos wrote: »

Mist, und ich wollte bei euch persönlich fragen, ob das mit den 150 Mats pro Vet 16 Item tatsächlich so gemeint ist

Das ist tatsächlich so gemeint und kein Tippfehler.

Which translates in English to: This is actually meant so and not a typo .

So while many of us assumed that this was the case because ZoS had stayed silent on this, it's now been officially confirmed.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom What is the reasoning behind this absurd change? You've kept awfully quiet about this... It is a pointless mechanic only designed to make the player grind out a lot more ingredients to craft their gear...

Maseri

So let me get this straight, it costs 10x the crafting materials to make V16 gear as it does for V15 gear? With the difference between V16 and V15 gear being relatively insignificant, how on earth does ZOS expect anyone to find it worthwhile to craft V16 gear...

ZOS, please get rid of this unprecedented and manufactured speed bump in crafting mats, to call this excessive is an understatement.

HeroOfNone

Also if you notice when you break gear down you only get 1 to 2 of that mat. They really want you to use those tel var merchants

Takllin

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Also if you notice when you break gear down you only get 1 to 2 of that mat. They really want you to use those tel var merchants

Exactly, you get peanuts back in return for deconstructing. It's ridiculous.

Teiji

Don't forget about the prop weapons in various Tel Var Stone gear screenshots;




None of these weapons are obtainable with Imperial City.

Expect them in a future update to Imperial City.

HeroOfNone

Well, it's not like the tel var armor sets are going to be worth buying for most anyway

Takllin

Teiji wrote: »

Don't forget about the prop weaons in various Tel Var Stone gear screenshots;




None of these weapons are obtainable with Imperial City.

Expect them in a future update to Imperial City.

Wait seriously? What about the faction specific armor??

Takllin

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Well, it's not like the tel var armor sets are going to be worth buying for most anyway

True they are more or less garbage. They are niche use at best. One person in a 24 person raid can use them for the 5 piece set boost but that's it.

Paulhewhewria

This change plus the other changes to crafting I think are going to hurt crafters.

Teargrants

Ohhh, I'm so filled with joy! I will absolutely spend countless hours and obscene amounts of gold/ap/tv to get all the mats to get the aprox 1.2k (120k tv stones worth) mats I'll need to craft just 1 set of V16 gear. And then I'll do it about 7 more times to cover all my loadouts on both my chars. Totally.

Nahhhhhhhhhhh, guess what, I'm just gonna stick w/ V15 gear that costs 10x less to make and only has about 10 less armor and 1-2 fewer points on the set bonuses!

ZOS, you guys are such unbelievable geniuses!

Takllin

Teargrants wrote: »

Ohhh, I'm so filled with joy! I will absolutely spend countless hours and obscene amounts of gold/ap/tv to get all the mats to get the aprox 1.2k (120k tv stones worth) mats I'll need to craft just 1 set of V16 gear. And then I'll do it about 7 more times to cover all my loadouts on both my chars. Totally.

Nahhhhhhhhhhh, guess what, I'm just gonna stick w/ V15 gear that costs 10x less to make and only has about 10 less armor and 1-2 fewer points on the set bonuses!

ZOS, you guys are such unbelievable geniuses!

ZoS Logic

Also will be doing the same here, there is no reason to make v16 gear with that steep of an upgrade cost for such a small gain.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

@Teargrants that pic is soooo Awesome, lol funny as hell

olsborg

They are probably gonna make v16 mats buyable for crowns, thats why....

DDuke

As a min-maxer, I will be making V16 gear, I imagine more people will as well

It is also good to see them addressing the long standing issue of crafted gear being ridiculously easy to craft. The effort (time spent) acquiring these sets is almost non-existent compared to dropped sets (which are also worse than crafted ones in most cases).

Only complaint I have is the ridiculously small power difference.
I would expect atleast a noticeable difference between VR15 & VR16 gear...

Oh, and in the future it'd be nice to have even rarer materials that require you to complete actual difficult objectives in PvE (or rank high in PvP) and special (more powerful) gear you can craft with those materials.

Dracane

It doesn't make sense to use 150 ingots for 1 sword
But I'm fine with that (even though it makes no sense)

Zahne

Getting research 9/9 on everything is not an easy thing.

Faulgor

Teiji wrote: »

Don't forget about the prop weaons in various Tel Var Stone gear screenshots;




None of these weapons are obtainable with Imperial City.

Expect them in a future update to Imperial City.

Damn, how did I not notice that yet.

How can they do it again!?

ScruffyWhiskers

I'm not trying to be overly negative here. I love this game. I am really excited about the IC expansion and as primarily a pvp'r and a ganking one at that, IC should be great for me...but I have to tell you, I don't really see anything that I really want to buy with those Tel Var stones. Nada.

The new item sets are also less than thrilling. Maybe scathing mage will be something I will do the pokemon on so I can try out the 5 item bonus. I'm guessing those are dropped in one of the 4 man dugeons?

But the 6 Tel Var sets and the 3 crafted sets are really pretty tame.

Maybe a gamble bag purchased with Tel Var that had a chance to drop rare items like master weapons, v16 warlock sets, undaunted pieces would gin up some enthusiasm. But for right now I'm just going to be trying to accumulate Tel Var for the fun of it.

The treasure vaults sound interesting but I haven't seen any info on what they yield.

Ezareth

Dracane wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to use 150 ingots for 1 sword
But I'm fine with that (even though it makes no sense)

Yeah maybe I'll actually stop vendoring my crafting mats now and sell them instead.

The market has long stopped supporting the time involved in selling many of these components.

Yay another 200 gold for selling an item I could have vendored!

Or in the same amount of time I could have grinded mobs for 500 gold and experience besides....

Zahne wrote: »

Getting research 9/9 on everything is not an easy thing.

I think you're confusing ease with the time sink requirements. Most of the original ESO players that had any sort of dedication to crafting got 9/9 long ago.

DDuke

Zahne wrote: »

Getting research 9/9 on everything is not an easy thing.

Yes, we all know it's terribly demanding & difficult to press a button every X days, and it's not like there's 27 000 people with 9/9 researched on everything ready to craft you whatever you need for a small bit of gold and materials that are so ridiculously easy & fast to come by that you prefer selling them to vendors rather than real players.

HeroOfNone

Though thinking about it, how will this affect player crafting markets? Folks with the DLC will have first access to mats with stones and gear drop, which most won't sell and will break down, then the prices for a stack will be high due to the amount needed and the limited availability, thus most of us who get it will be able to price gouge....

Takllin

Zahne wrote: »

Getting research 9/9 on everything is not an easy thing.

What? That has no relevance to the materials to craft gear....

I don't care if they want to increase the material amount a bit so that we have to work a bit harder to min/max, but 10x the cost? That's just completely uncalled for and ridiculous...Especially with v15 having the same cost and everything else.

lonewolf26

I checked this out as well and find the costs of crafting a vet 16 far outweigh the benefits. Laughibly so. With doing writs to get glass armor motif fragments being the major material sink in the game, I don't see the need to inflate the cost of v16 armor and weaponry this way. I guess theory crafter's will have to settle for vet 15 armor, or get deep pockets.

Tankqull

Dracane wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to use 150 ingots for 1 sword
But I'm fine with that (even though it makes no sense)

it does if you can buy 500/1000 ignots for 500 crowns...

they need sth for the whales otherwise they are not creating revenues to keep the game alive... thats the way B2P/freemium whatever you´d like to call it works...

skillastat

Tankqull wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to use 150 ingots for 1 sword
But I'm fine with that (even though it makes no sense)

it does if you can buy 500/1000 ignots for 500 crowns...

they need sth for the whales otherwise they are not creating revenues to keep the game alive... thats the way B2P/freemium whatever you´d like to call it works...

PAY TO WIN ALERT !!!

Anhedonie

I won't bother myself with crafting something. My v14 gear looks fine enough to me.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Or maybe you tanslated wrong and 100 ingots for one piece of gear isn't confirmed. Just cause there silent doesn't mean it's confirmed also if it was posted on the EU forums then it would have been posted on the NE forums too ZoS wouldn't say important changes and confirms on PTS and U7 on one forum and not post anything on the other forums.

HeroOfNone

Remind me again, how many tel var stones = 1 ingot/silk/hide? How much would sat, a v16 2 hander be in tel var stones?

PBpsy

Maseri wrote: »

So let me get this straight, it costs 10x the crafting materials to make V16 gear as it does for V15 gear? With the difference between V16 and V15 gear being relatively insignificant, how on earth does ZOS expect anyone to find it worthwhile to craft V16 gear...

ZOS, please get rid of this unprecedented and manufactured speed bump in crafting mats, to call this excessive is an understatement.

It may seem counter intuitive but most players will not bother with V15 gear at all. Since the difference is still quite small they will settle for V14 crafted gear for the most part (if crafted gear is going to be even worth the trouble) . They will slowly grind the required dumb amount required for V16. People like the idea of optimal even if optimal is 0.5% better..

UPrime

The point is to get VR15 gear fairly easy. But then to get the absolute best a lot harder. So you're competitive fairly easily, but not maxed without a lot more work. I suspect this will be the norm especially when VR lvls are removed. The time it took to grind out lvls will now be spent getting the next best gear that is out.

Takllin

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Or maybe you tanslated wrong and 100 ingots for one piece of gear isn't confirmed. Just cause there silent doesn't mean it's confirmed also if it was posted on the EU forums then it would have been posted on the NE forums too ZoS wouldn't say important changes and confirms on PTS and U7 on one forum and not post anything on the other forums.

Go ahead and find me a translation that doesn't mean what the translators have told me it says...I'll wait.

You are right, silence doesn't mean confirmation. The fact that they CONFIRMED THIS ON EU FORUMS DOES.

They've done this before, they will do it again. They do not always post everything in both forums when it comes to upcoming changes and confirmations.

Sorry to burst your bubble.