ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
Yes! I've spent HOURS farming these. I didn't really understand how these were dropping due to confusing event instructions... I have maybe 1 item per hour of killing to show for it. Do I want one from every lootable boss (~every 4 min)? No that's a bit ridiculous and would tank their value, but at the same time... who cares? It's not like these will be coming back and the joy of being here for this "once in a lifetime" event means I should be able to stock up if I 1) do the work or 2) have the gold to spend on buying up any and every one that I see. I love the witch event because I get to stock up on weird mushrooms and, if I'm lucky, RUBY FREAKIN TORCHBUGS. This event has very little of that level of excitement for me. If I farmed for an hour though, I'd like 5 greens, 3 blues, and 2 purples. There isn't even a new gold furnishing. YES there is the achievement soul trap thing, but I have to BUY IT. I'm sure it's too late to pop something cool in there, but 6 new furnishings that I'm spending FAR TOO MUCH TIME TO GET does *not* feel like a 10-year anniversary celebration to me. Goodness, even jubilee got new banners and bells.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
Definitely a combination of the two. Many other commenters have had good things to say, and I particularly like what @Virenic said about treasure maps. Solstice has particularly low antiquity RNG from maps and myself and many of my friends do not have *most* of the furnishings in triplicate yet- despite having opened MANY (expensive) maps. We should have gotten maps. And while selfishly, I like the prices of Solstice blueprints to remain high as I make money farming urns in BLT... there is a new zone coming and the mid-year event almost always makes it so I am flooded with new blueprints that I can now happily learn myself. Not this year. I'm not sure if I'm happy that I will maybe still make ok money on urn farmed purples... or if I'm sad that I don't actually feel I can learn any of them myself. I also think that the haj mota pet should, rarely, drop as a full runebox item, UNBOUND, much like the New Life pets do. SURE it means their value is reduced, on the whole, but isn't this event supposed to be a celebration? It feels utterly stingy. Do you even like us? It doesn't feel like you like usZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
Hi all. After investigating some user reports, we have confirmed that there are some instances where completing a Writhing Wall event crafting activity will result in you spending more materials than you receive in your rewards. This was not our intent and unfortunately this issue is not something we are able to hotfix. We have a bug in for the team to investigate and looking to see if there is an opportunity to fix this during U48 launch. We have added this update to our dev tracker.
Hi all. After investigating some user reports, we have confirmed that there are some instances where completing a Writhing Wall event crafting activity will result in you spending more materials than you receive in your rewards. This was not our intent and unfortunately this issue is not something we are able to hotfix. We have a bug in for the team to investigate and looking to see if there is an opportunity to fix this during U48 launch. We have added this update to our dev tracker.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
agelonestar wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
I’m a long-standing player - I’ve been here since 2014. Here’s my take:
1. There are four quest givers, yet only 3 golden reward boxes. That makes no sense.
2. The golden reward boxes are mostly filled with junk - where are the higher value, more desirable rewards? Getting a style page or motif drop doesn’t seem guaranteed - far from it. And only two significant rewards for an event that lasts as long this? That’s just crazy.
3. The blue boxes are entirely filled with junk. The is literally no incentive to completing more than 3 quests per day. I have completed the golden pursuit on 3 accounts - I haven’t had anything in the blue boxes except weapon/armour drops. They’re not even good sets! You could, for example, put sets in here I haven’t got in my sticker book. That would be a better incentive than bad zone sets, which I don’t need.
4. Getting anything of value from the camp boss chests is one a million. Again, no incentive for the average person.
5. Your main “prize”, the Coldharbour estate, is a kick in the teeth for anyone who already bought it (as I have, more than once!). Where’s the similarly valued alternative for your long-standing players? You guys always screw over your best customers.
6. The golden pursuit and community rewards are lazy. Another pet, another mount….zero creativity given the scale of the “world changing” event. Previous golden pursuits have been better, previous community events have been much, much better.
This whole event feels like the Temu version of previous years. The whole thing feels untested, drops rates suck, and the rewards themselves were grabbed from the discount bin by the back door.
This year has really left a bad taste in my mouth, and has coloured whether I would buy a “season pass” in advance ever again.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
Personally to add and to echo a few here:
- haj mota/caltrops (phase 2), motifs furnishing recipes, furniture, etc should still have a good chance of dropping from blue boxes, at the moments blue boxes are trash
- overland gear from the zone is not a reward.. most would have sticker books mostly full from playing the zone. Rather drop style material you'd need to craft the furniture (as it's not a guaranteed drop from decon.
- add decent loot as a rare drop: undaunted plunder, 2 seals of endeavor/crown gems - something to make it feel like there is any purpose to this. Anniversary event is a great example!
Also just a bit worried about your comment on furnishing, please don't just bloat the boxes with 1 or 2 furnishing (looking at you jester coffers and banners).
No, for me that would not. But for those chasing the furniture drops, it might a little.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
Neither. The fact that some quests are a pain to finish due to questitems not dropping at all(vitrified souls), or not dropping due to overpopulated quest areas. That is the frustrating part.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
necro_the_crafter wrote: »Its related to the event I guess, Yenadar from Jode's Light have been replaced by event bosses, and those doessnt drop Moonstone Ring Bearing Lead for monomyth reforged.
None I know or met in that dungeon hasnt been able to get this lead since event started, while some of the other instanses do drop leads as intented. Me and at least 5 other people filed bug report in game.
Is it a known issue, is it planed to get fixed?
Maybe implement some workaround? like add this lead to Ool or Tel-var merchant for event duration?
Its frustrating to be locked out of paid content becuse of the bug that caused by the event.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »Man you guys will communicate about whatever you can (thank you for that) to not address the elephant in the room. Friday you guys said you were discussing the large community complaints of rewards dropping very infrequently, making the grind for this event unfun. You guys went out of your way to state people thought it was unrewarding because the meter wasn't moving fast, I don't know how you could be so wrong. I'm told I shouldn't assign malice and I'm trying to stick to that but your communication around every issue but that is weird. Is it your intention that rewards should be scarce in this event or not?
We're working on getting you all an answer to the rewards question. I was hoping we'd have that for you today, but we need a bit more investigation in the morning to determine what is possible.
While we do that, we'd like to ask a couple related questions for future event consideration. We've seen concerns about the rewards coffers drop rates and contents, and the Writhing Wall furnishings drop rates. While we are still investigating options, if we were able to increase the drop rate for the Writhing Wall furnishings, would that help ease some of the frustrations?
For the rewards coffers, is the low drop rate for the more desirable items the biggest frustration, or are the items contained in the coffers not what you'd like to see? Or is it a combination of those two?
The "more desirable items" being the ones below under "a low chance at" from the event article.Rewards from the coffers available from Vitrified Souls quests include:
- A piece of gear from a Western Solstice set, with a chance of a second
- A chance at a style item for the Fellowship of Stirk crafting style (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A low chance at one of the following items (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- A page of a Wormwrithe armor outfit Style
- A page of a Wormwrithe weapon outfit Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A fragment for the Wormwrithe Haj Mota pet
- A fragment of the Caltrops, Bone Skill Style (from Phase 2 onward)
- A chance for a sellable treasure of varying value (one is guaranteed in Glorious coffers)
- This reward has a very low chance to be replaced with the Coldharbour Surreal Estate if you do not already own it, or with a sellable treasure of exceptional value if you do.
It's worse than Destiny's "two tokens and a blue" fiasco.
Can you confirm if this technical bug resulting in "inconsistencies" with quest item drops is the reason why sometimes you only have 1 drop for every 15-20 eligible mobs killed and have to spend an hour to complete a boring fetch quest, and sometimes you'll actually get the drops at a reasonable rate?ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
- We have also identified a technical bug resulting in some inconsistencies with quest item drops from monsters. While we are working on a fix, it will require more time and testing to fix than we can accomplish during this event.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
Can you confirm if this technical bug resulting in "inconsistencies" with quest item drops is the reason why sometimes you only have 1 drop for every 15-20 eligible mobs killed and have to spend an hour to complete a boring fetch quest, and sometimes you'll actually get the drops at a reasonable rate?
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Please note that players may still obtain only one Stirk Fellowship motif page per day from any source.
Is the event going to effect Ossien Cage at all?
Is the event going to effect Ossien Cage at all?
Only the event specific content for Writhing Wall will be affected once the wall is breached. That includes the dailies and the lens, etc. None of the Western Solstice content will be affected and that includes Ossein Cage.
As a matter of fact, Ossein Cage is a good place to get Vitrified Souls for the event too.
Is the event going to effect Ossien Cage at all?
Only the event specific content for Writhing Wall will be affected once the wall is breached. That includes the dailies and the lens, etc. None of the Western Solstice content will be affected and that includes Ossein Cage.
As a matter of fact, Ossein Cage is a good place to get Vitrified Souls for the event too.
Thanks Jessica, that explains a great deal, and I guarantee it's the primary reason so many people (including myself) have been complaining about the drop rates for these event quests.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Can you confirm if this technical bug resulting in "inconsistencies" with quest item drops is the reason why sometimes you only have 1 drop for every 15-20 eligible mobs killed and have to spend an hour to complete a boring fetch quest, and sometimes you'll actually get the drops at a reasonable rate?
Yes, unfortunately. We identified the issue today during our investigations related to the reported quest item drop inconsistencies.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |